http://www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_c-d.htm#Consubstatiation
* transubstantiation: The theory accepted by Catholicism, that in
the Lord's Supper, the elements are transformed into the actual
body and blood of Jesus. However, there is no perceptible or
measurable change in the
In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:05:34 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
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ISHIRTA?
Doug
I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again, BBC radio programme, where John Cleese got
his start performing, and Eric Idle was a writer.
Is this the launch that faced a thousand ships?
The
Nick wrote:
You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human?
Reggie Bautista wrote:
To further muddy matters, some Catholics
use the term Christian as short-hand
for Fundamentalist Christian.
I've only heard that from the other
direction, as in I'm not Catholic,
I'm Christian. and
From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AFAIK, nearly all other Protestant denominations focus
on Communion more as remembrance of me [Jesus],
rather than any actual change or spiritual presence in
the bread and wine (or, as in one church I attended
with a friend, some type of
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One very interesting
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Nick Arnett wrote:
God certainly was clever to invent
Reggie Bautista wrote:
The primary differences between Catholics and Fundamentalists,
as I see it, are what one believes about whether the Bible is to be
interpreted literally, and whether the Bible is the only viable source for
spiritual info. (By the way, you could probably find lots of
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Matt Grimaldi wrote:
On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger:
The meme that claims the Bible as the only
source of christian truth is a protestant myth
that totally ignores the truth of the Bibles
origins.
Jon Gabriel wrote:
I have a number of Baptist (bible-literalist) and
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Nick Arnett wrote:
God certainly was clever to invent evolution.
Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God.
8^)
Doug
Hmmm.. 8^) instead of
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rob wrote:
Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get
things
done for you. G
It's quite a different meme than the ones that are found in most
protestant
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Exactly. Jesus, is of course a great choice to pray to, since he is,
after all the source. But, since Jesus has that whole divinity thing
about him, Mary - who is fully human - is
At 10:39 2003-06-21 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
In the One True ChurchG Mary is not deified, but being the Mother Of
God she sits close at the right hand of God in heaven and has influence as
an Advocate.
What this clearly shows is the influence of the fuedal (for lack of a better
word) society
At 14:06 2003-06-22 -0500, Ronn! wrote:
At 12:55 PM 6/22/03 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone
else to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray
to Mary and ask her to pray to God for them? Why
At 07:31 2003-06-23 -0700, Nick wrote:
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...
rob wrote:
Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get
things
done for you. G
It's quite a different meme than the
At 03:55 PM 6/23/03 -0400, Jean-Louis Couturier wrote:
At 07:31 2003-06-23 -0700, Nick wrote:
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...
rob wrote:
Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get
things
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Is there a belief, either official or unofficial, that they cannot get
At 15:04 2003-06-23 -0500, Ronn! wrote:
Is there a belief, either official or unofficial, that they cannot get
into heaven without that process?
-- Ronn! :)
No. There is a belief, however, that it may make things easier.
God is the final Judge, but he may, in His wisdom, take in account
the
Nick wrote:
You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human?
I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream
Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that
Jesus was both fully human and fully divine, just as the eucharist is both
fully
Reggie Bautista wrote:
Nick wrote:
You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human?
I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream
Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that
Jesus was both fully human and fully divine, just as
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Reggie Bautista wrote:
Nick wrote:
You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human?
I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from
mainstream
Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that
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...
Nick wrote:
You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human?
I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from
mainstream
Catholic thought, but I believe the
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Given, however, that the Catholic Church predates the Bible by several
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
~~Now, if you wished to argue that the covenent communities came before
scripture, then you would have my...and most biblical scholars' support.
But, that is a seperate question from which came first: the Catholic church
or the bible.~~
Thanks for
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Not being argumentative, but making assumptions based on what I remember
being
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One very interesting interpritation I have come across ( and give a lot
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OK... So they have these lists of Popes that span 2000 years, with
dates
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Reggie Bautista wrote:
Nick wrote:
You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully
human?
I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved
somewhat away from mainstream
Catholic thought, but I believe the official
Catholic party line is that
At 08:44 PM 6/23/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote:
I forgot to include the URL for transubstantiation, so
here it is:
http://www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_t.htm#Transubstantiation
I'm afraid to click on it . . .
-- Ronn! :)
God bless America,
Land that I love!
Stand beside her, and guide her
Nick Arnett wrote:
God certainly was clever to invent evolution.
Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God.
8^)
Doug
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On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger:
The meme that claims the Bible as the only
source of christian truth is a protestant myth
that totally ignores the truth of the Bibles
origins.
Jon Gabriel wrote:
I have a number of Baptist (bible-literalist) and
Protestant friends who would just
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Nick Arnett wrote:
God certainly was clever to invent evolution.
Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God.
8^)
Doug
Hmmm.. 8^) instead of :-)
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58:55PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
If history were common knowledge, it would put Literalism into
doubt. A lot of fundementalists seem to think the Bible was handed
down by God complete and unabridged as if somewhere out in the world
there exists a copy of the
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On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58:55PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
If history were
At 06:58 PM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
My father is dead and I talk to him in my prayers. Does this mean that I
accord my father the same status as God?
I pray to the saints for intercession. Does this make them gods?
Doctrine says no, but also implies that praying to dead people may
I guess I shouldn't have assumed this, but I do believe the rosary is
one of the most important parts of Catholic ritual, and that's why I
mentioned it.
I would say an important, rather than most important.For example,
it is possible to be a good Catholic, and never say the rosary - unlike,
At 12:29 PM 6/22/03 -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 06:58 PM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
My father is dead and I talk to him in my prayers. Does this mean that I
accord my father the same status as God?
I pray to the saints for intercession. Does this make them gods?
Doctrine says no,
At 11:47 AM 6/22/2003 -0500 Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
We may be talking different languages here, but I'm still trying to
understand why (if I'm understanding correctly at all) Catholics would
_need_ to have Mary pray for them? Does the Catholic church teach that
ordinary people do not have
Someone wrote (sorry, it's sometimes hard to keep track of attributions)
IIRC, at least two ex-girlfriends also recited the 'Hail Holy Queen'. I
remember thinking it was a nice prayer and asked one of them to teach it
to me. So is adding it in an accepted variation of the standard Rosary
or were
rob wrote:
Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get
things
done for you. G
It's quite a different meme than the ones that are found in most protestant
sects, but it has been with the catholic church long before the protestant
reformation. I would think that it has
Ronn! wrote:
One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone else
to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray to Mary
and ask her to pray to God for them? Why cannot reason that person pray
directly to God?
(Serious question, not meant as any sort
At 12:55 PM 6/22/03 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone
else to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray
to Mary and ask her to pray to God for them? Why cannot reason that
person pray directly
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Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:28 PM
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At 10:04 PM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote:
No I just think catholics are hyprocritical
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On
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At 09:49 AM 6/21/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote:
1) How many times is Mary mentioned in the normal Catholic Mass (which
Catholics are obligated to attend weekly)?
Interesting. I have no idea, but I'd like to know the answer and would
appreciate your posting it. While we're at it, what about the
rob replied:
And you would be wrong.
Very wrong.
In the One True ChurchG Mary is not deified, but being the Mother Of
God she sits close at the right hand of God in heaven and has influence as
an Advocate.
[snip]
Most Christians have at some point asked someone else to pray for them,
whether
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rob replied:
Jon wrote:
A side question. Why is it that Mary is always seen in a glass window
At 12:04 PM 6/21/03 -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
[snip]
There is a huge difference between worship and prayer. Prayer is simply a
method of communication. Worship is a type of communication.
For example, Catholics believe in life-everlasting after death in heaven.
Given that most Christians
At 11:31 AM 6/21/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
One might note that Mary sightings are most frequent in Hispanic countries
or in areas with strong catholic traditions.
How many Mary sightings do you hear about in China or India?
One explanation is that when God deals with people, he does so
At 11:31 AM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
How many Mary sightings do you hear about in China or India?
Well there are Shrines to Our Lady of India and Our Lady of China at
the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception here in
washington DC.
JDG
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Many so-called fundamentalist Christians apparently do want exactly that,
and are willing to help Him hurry.
Well not before the third Lord of the Rings, thank you very much.
William Taylor
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In a message dated 6/21/2003 11:06:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
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Many so-called fundamentalist Christians apparently do want exactly that,
and are willing to help Him hurry.
Well not before the third Lord of the Rings, thank you
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At 09:49 AM 6/21/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote:
1) How many times is Mary mentioned
On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote:
Ha! Okay. That makes sense.
It also makes sense, as I consider this, that Mary, as an 'advocate'
would be considered more accessible? That's probably not the right
word.
Discussing crazy nonsense as if it were real might have
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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote:
Ha! Okay
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On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote:
Ha! Okay
On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 01:03 am, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Discussing crazy nonsense as if it were real might have long-term
deleterious affects on your mental health :)
Anyone for dowsing, Tarot cards or Astrology?
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