Arrived in my inbox this morning:
Hello,
I hope my email meets you well. I am in need of your assistance.
My name is SGT JOEY JONES.I am a military attache with the
Engineering unit here in Ba'qubah Iraq for the united states, we
have about $20 Million American dollars here which
a military attache with the
Engineering unit here in Ba'qubah Iraq for the united states, we
have about $20 Million American dollars here which is in our
possesion and we are ready to move out of the country.
My partners and I need a good partner someone we can trust to
actualize
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, John Garcia wrote:
Couldn't they come up with a better name than Joey Jones!?
Could be worse, could be Davey Jones. :)
(My uncle (mother's brother) was in medical school with a Davey Jones who
turned out to be something like a 3rd cousin of my father.)
Julia
I've seen these myself, but I'm not sure if they came from Iraq. Most
of these still come from Nigeria, and the basic concept is identical
in all of them (modern equivalents of the Spanish Prisoner scam,
basically), the only difference being some superficial parameters. I
think some
At 11:54 AM Monday 7/7/2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote:
I've seen these myself, but I'm not sure if they came from Iraq. Most
of these still come from Nigeria, and the basic concept is identical
in all of them (modern equivalents of the Spanish Prisoner scam,
basically), the only difference being some
Bill Moyers ended his Journal Friday as follows:
This week, the congressional budget office said spending on the first
war, the war in Iraq could eventually cost almost two trillion dollars
compared to the administration's original estimate of no more than 50
billion. The president now says he
, are not WMD.
saddam also.
That's a left wing myth. It's a companion piece to the right wing myth that
Hussein was behind 9-11.
We see at:
http://www.fas.org/man/gao/gao9498.htm
quote
Since 1980, U.S. policy has been to deny export licenses for commercial
sales of defense items to Iraq, and the Pentagon
see at:
http://www.fas.org/man/gao/gao9498.htm
quote
Since 1980, U.S. policy has been to deny export licenses for commercial
sales of defense items to Iraq, and the Pentagon has not made any
foreign military sales to Iraq since 1967.
end quote
sorry, dan, that is a right wing myth!~) do you
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sorry, dan, that is a right wing myth!~) do you
Rolling Stone has a long article on wasteful spending and outright
thievery by civilian contractors in Iraq:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16076312/the_great_iraq_swindle
I know it's not exactly news that people are swindling the government.
It's the government's complicity
be getting
their view of the world from sources like this one.
Olin
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Rolling Stone
There's an interesting piece by Scienceblogger Mike Dunford up at his
site. His wife is serving in Iraq at the moment.
It isn't possible to adequately describe what a long military
deployment is like for those left behind, but I'm going to try
anyway. I'm going to try, even though I know
of view might be? Perhaps he will just shrug
off all his old rhetoric about how global warming is a fraud and his
criticisms of alternative energy, now that he works for The People instead
of the stockholders.
Or perhaps it's the research we're doing in Iraq to gain access to that
nation's energy
On Dec 1, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 11/28/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its my understanding that Bush has actually rather aggressively
supported research into alternative energy.
Or perhaps you meant the Clean Coal Initiative, to which Bush
promised $2
billion
On 12/1/06, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 1, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On 11/28/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its my understanding that Bush has actually rather aggressively
supported research into alternative energy.
Or perhaps you meant the Clean Coal
sure you recognize
the partisan overtones to that.
Partisan, shmartisan; with all due respect, what you've laid out below is
pretty much a stay the course approach, call it what you will.
I won't pretend that I have the answers to Iraq - if I did, I suppose
that I probably wouldn't be here.
I
you might have
had a point.
But there wasn't, and therefore you don't.
You wouldn't be referring to the generally-supposed policy of
France, Russia, and China, among others, to work towards the
lifting of
sanctions on Saddam Hussein's Iraq, would you?
No I wasn't refering
. A couple of captured AQ documents
clearly indicate that AQ is hoping that the US stays in Iraq for a long
time to come. The American presence in Iraq is accomplishing what OBL
had hoped the Afghanistan war would do - act as a motivator and
radicalise the Muslim youth, and provide a target for the new
in Iraq. While this was a reasonable
proposition when the deaths in Iraq were occuring largely as
a result of US military action, or else as a result of an
anti-US insurgency in
Iraq, that no longer seems to be the case. As the events of the past
week have painfully demonstrated
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On the other hand, the policy of sanctions, No-Fly-Zones,
diplomatic
On 11/27/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Iraqis are
killing Iraqis at a stunning rate today, and they are, it is because
the
Coalition enabled such a situation to arise. So, for quite a lot of
us,
all the Iraqi deaths post 2003 are on the Coalition's head.
Okay... Ritu, did
Nick Arnett asked:
Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
(not the US,
John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsible for enabling the situation to arise. This
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JDG wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The single most effective thing we can do to reduce the threat of
terrorism is to leave
Iraq and other Middle Eastern nations. We can't change our energy
requirements overnight,
but the energy policy of the Bush administration has led us
Ritu wrote:
I'll disagree with you here. I do not think that AQ wants the US to
withdraw. Not right now at any rate. A couple of captured AQ documents
clearly indicate that AQ is hoping that the US stays in Iraq for a long
time to come. The American presence in Iraq is accomplishing what OBL
At 08:39 AM Tuesday 11/28/2006, Dan Minette wrote:
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On the other hand
At 10:24 AM Tuesday 11/28/2006, Ritu wrote:
Nick Arnett asked:
Okay... Ritu, did you really mean to say that the Coalition
(not the US,
John) is totally responsible for all of the Iraqis killing
Iraqis these days?
Nope. The Coalition, as I mentioned in the mail John quoted, is
responsible
the invasion.
Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occuring in Iraq. While this was a reasonable
proposition when the deaths in Iraq were occuring largely as a result of
US military
On 11/26/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If need be, I can make a general case that our decision making process is
better informed when we do study pact actions and results in such a manner
than when we don't. Indeed, arguing against such a case would reject a
great deal of how we
On 11/27/06, jdiebremse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occuring in Iraq.
Cite, please.
I don't recall anybody making any such argument.
Nick
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And that's
JDG wrote:
Ritu, it seems that you, Nick, and even Dan missed the point here.
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occurring in Iraq. While this was a reasonable
proposition when the deaths in Iraq were occurring largely as a result of
US
On 27 Nov 2006 at 8:45, Doug wrote:
The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq.
Why did they want to prolong the violence? Because
Andrew wrote:
I wrote:
The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq.
Why did they want to prolong the violence? Because
At 08:58 AM Monday 11/27/2006, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm quite sure that's not needed, since it is common sense that one can
prophet from the past.
Aargh.
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On 27 Nov 2006 at 12:42, Doug wrote:
Andrew wrote:
I wrote:
The sectarian violence now occurring in Iraq was sparked when the
Al-Askari Mosque (the Golden Mosque) was destroyed last February by
Al Qaida. Why did Al Qaida do it? To prolong the violence in Iraq.
Why did they want
, and therefore you don't.
You wouldn't be referring to the generally-supposed policy of France,
Russia, and China, among others, to work towards the lifting of
sanctions on Saddam Hussein's Iraq, would you? Oh nevermind
On the other hand, the policy of sanctions, No-Fly-Zones, diplomatic
isolation
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The proposition was made here that the US is responsible for all the
deaths currently occuring in Iraq.
Cite, please.
I don't recall anybody making any such argument.
Nick
Ok
11/22 at 12:37am according to Yahoo
Andrew wrote:
Huh? No, again, you're somehow focusing on AQ hates Americans in
Iraw. They PLAIN HATE AMERICANS. They're prolonging the violence
by attacking Americans because it hurts American interests and
Americans. Iraq happens to be the current best place for them to do
that.
Why do
/inactions.
Agreed.
Turning back to the question we argued before the 2nd Iraq war, those
like me who argued against going in needed to accept the consequences
of Hussein remaining in power as a result of the path we favored being
taken. By the same token, those who favored invasion need
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Dan Minette wrote:
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't
On 11/26/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... a critical part of this is
accepting the consequences of one's own preferred path, as well as the
consequences of the path one opposes.
Unfortunately, that's based in fantasy because God only knows what would
have happened if another
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On 11/26/06, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... a critical part
supplies of oil that are keeping the world price at the
60-or-so dollar level that they are at right now.
Saudi Arabia's a good example of why we should leave Iraq.
http://tinyurl.com/us7gn
Sounds like managed decline to me
What is it that we have now, unmanageable decline? I'll ask you again
Gulf War, and is related to the fact
that it is Saudi supplies of oil that are keeping the world price at the
60-or-so dollar level that they are at right now.
Saudi Arabia's a good example of why we should leave Iraq.
http://tinyurl.com/us7gn
Sounds like managed decline to me
What
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And nobody knows how many Iraqis have been killed by the non-American,
non-Iraqi actors either. But what I do know is that the distinction
made
by you is not being made by the majority of the world. If Iraqis are
killing Iraqis at a
JDG wrote:
And that's because the policy of the rest of the world was to
support the reign of terror of Saddam Hussein ad infinitum
Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered this ground earlier, before the invasion.
Ritu
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Only if you share Bush's Manichean world-view. I don't. But we have
covered
dare argue that we are not responsible for the present situation in
Iraq, with all the death and destruction that has resulted? Not completely
responsible, certainly, but surely you aren't trying to evade any
responsibility? If people who failed to remove Saddam from power were his
supporters
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It would, however, be
reasonable to argue that, while there is wanton murder by some
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1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia. etc.
And how does that 13+ years of attacks compare to just the last month
in Iraq?
I dunno, how many Iraqis did the US kill last month? And how many
Iraqis did Iraqis kill?
JDG
JDG wrote:
And how does that 13+ years of attacks compare to just the
last month
in Iraq?
I dunno, how many Iraqis did the US kill last month?
Who knows? You guys don't do body counts when you are doing the killing.
And how many Iraqis did Iraqis kill?
Again, who knows
Rob wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hollywood is run by a liberal cabal won't change
his mind after watching The Simpsons' annual Halloween special.
What makes opposition to the war liberal? Many prominant
conservatives such as George Will, W.F. Buckley have come out against
it.
No one is saying
On 23 Oct 2006, at 7:40AM, pencimen wrote:
Rob wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hollywood is run by a liberal cabal won't change
his mind after watching The Simpsons' annual Halloween special.
What makes opposition to the war liberal? Many prominant
conservatives such as George Will, W.F.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2006/10/simpsons-pitch-tent-in-antiwar-camp.php
Anyone who thinks Hollywood is run by a liberal cabal won't change his
mind after watching The Simpsons' annual Halloween special. The
episode, which airs Nov. 5, concludes with an Iraq war satire that may
foes *before we
went to
war,* why didn't those in the government who are
paid to do so anticipate difficulties?
They did...that's what's so sad. The State
Department, which has a long
history of working in reconstruction efforts had a
very good looking plan
for post-war Iraq
This is very discouraging:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0127/dailyUpdate.html
US audit finds 'spectacular' waste of funds in Iraq
Millions lost in 'chaotic misuse,' while report says
many reconstruction projects won't be finished.
Spectacular misuse of tens of millions of dollars
On Behalf Of Dave Land
Folks,
Last night, I invested 45 minutes in watching Mr. Pinter's speech.
It was stunning. Not so much the production (although the three-
camera setup with a deep-blue backdrop and a large photograph of a
younger Pinter was used well enough) but the man, his
Folks,
Last night, I invested 45 minutes in watching Mr. Pinter's speech.
It was stunning. Not so much the production (although the three-
camera setup with a deep-blue backdrop and a large photograph of a
younger Pinter was used well enough) but the man, his ideas and his
delivery.
His
On 12/9/05, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Folks,
Last night, I invested 45 minutes in watching Mr. Pinter's speech.
It was stunning. Not so much the production (although the three-
camera setup with a deep-blue backdrop and a large photograph of a
younger Pinter was used well enough)
On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote:
On 12/9/05, Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last night, I invested 45 minutes in watching Mr. Pinter's speech.
It was stunning. Not so much the production (although the three-
camera setup with a deep-blue backdrop and a large photograph
said about this? Nothing.
Why not? Because the United States has said: to criticise our conduct
in Guantanamo Bay constitutes an unfriendly act. You're either with us
or against us. So Blair shuts up.
The invasion of Iraq was a bandit act, an act of blatant state
terrorism, demonstrating absolute
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175245,00.html
Ninety-five bishops from President Bush's church said Thursday they
repent their complicity in the unjust and immoral invasion and
occupation of Iraq.
In the face of the United States administration's rush toward
military action based
Apropos to the Bitter Fruit discussion
Link to PDF
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/docs/iraq_on_the_record.pdf
Executive Summary
On March 19, 2003, U.S. forces began military operations in Iraq.
Addressing the
nation about the purpose of the war on the day the bombing began, President
Bush
withdrawal, said Larry Diamond, senior fellow at the
Hoover Institution at Stanford University and former
adviser to the Coalition Provisional Authority in
Iraq. He recently penned the book, Squandered
Victory: The American Occupation and the Bungled
Effort to Bring Democracy to Iraq.
I have been struck
Here is a story from PolySciFI Blog -
http://polyscifi.blogspot.com/2005/07/my-neighbors-in-military-detention.html
Today the New York Times has another great Tim Golden story on U.S.
detainment facilities in Iraq. This time, it's not about torture. It's about
a guy who lives about a block
the motivation behind his
demotion was politics. Riggs was blunt and outspoken on a number of issues
and publicly contradicted Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld by arguing
that the Army was overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistan and needed more
troops.
They all went bat s- - when
On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Little-Used Punishment
A senior officer's loss of a star is a punishment seldom used, and then
usually for the most serious offenses, such as dereliction of duty or
command failures, adultery or misuse of government funds or equipment.
Am I the
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On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Little-Used Punishment
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Unceremonious End to Army Career
By Tom Bowman
The Baltimore Sun
Sunday 29 May 2005
The utter hypocrisy of so-called conservatives who
are unable to grasp that the GOP has been seized
(again) by monsters, is simply staggering.
For
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am I the only one surprised to find adultery on this
list of most
serious offenses
Actually, I am not surprised. The military is a
hothouse environment. Mariages are its bedrock. What
is unfair, of course, is uneven enforcement. But if
you are a
At 11:47 AM Wednesday 6/1/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Little-Used Punishment
A senior officer's loss of a star is a punishment seldom used, and then
usually for the most serious offenses, such as dereliction of duty or
command failures, adultery or
On Jun 1, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:47 AM Wednesday 6/1/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Little-Used Punishment
A senior officer's loss of a star is a punishment seldom used, and
then
usually for the most serious offenses, such
At 06:05 PM Wednesday 6/1/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Jun 1, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:47 AM Wednesday 6/1/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Jun 1, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
Little-Used Punishment
A senior officer's loss of a star is a punishment seldom used, and
Dave's point about blackmail is hugely significant.
For many years discrimination against homosexuals was
defended based upon their susceptibility to coercion
vs being outed.
To this day, SECRET homosexuality is considered
worrisome by the State Dept. Alas, that is the only
kind allowed in
Hussein's Iraq lower than 5 among the worst regimes on Earth.
I'm not going to argue with anyone who says that the DPRK or Zimbabwe
is/are worse. After that, Iraq is in a mix with places like Turkmenistan,
Myanmar, the Central African Republic, Togo, and Sudan. I think you'd
be straining to place all
At 07:34 PM 5/12/2005 -0700,Nick Arnett wrote:
Again, Nick, after all, Saddam Hussein's regime was one of the 5
worst regimes on Earth.
Whose ranking?
I said one of the top 5, because I think that it would be difficult to
place Saddam Hussein's Iraq lower than 5 among the worst regimes
I came across a thought provoking article today by Christopher HItchens
that relates to our recent discussion on what's going better in Iraq for
the Iraqis.
Excerpt:
Ian McEwan observed recently that there were, in effect, two kinds of
people: those who could have used or recognized the words Abu
On Sun, 15 May 2005 23:06:38 -0400, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I came across a thought provoking article today by Christopher HItchens
that relates to our recent discussion on what's going better in Iraq for
the Iraqis.
Excerpt:
Ian McEwan observed recently that there were
had not supported my
proposition, would it have been reasonable to assume that things are worse
in Iraq than under Saddam Hussein?Or reasonable to assume that things
are worse in Iraq than at some intermediate point in the past?I would
think the latter.
In fact, I think that is exactly what
Republican libertarian Ron Paul answered the question is Iraq better off on
the floor of Congress.
Whenever the administration is challenged regarding the success of the Iraq
war, or regarding the false information used to justify the war, the retort
is: Aren't the people of Iraq better off
At 12:13 PM Friday 5/13/2005, Gary Denton wrote:
Republican libertarian Ron Paul answered the question is Iraq better off on
the floor of Congress.
Does it fit?
They Might Have To Remove Some Of The Representatives' Desks Maru
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On May 13, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:13 PM Friday 5/13/2005, Gary Denton wrote:
Republican libertarian Ron Paul answered the question is Iraq better
off on
the floor of Congress.
Does it fit?
An Iraqi's place is in the house.
Dave
On Fri, 13 May 2005 12:13:35 -0500, Gary Denton wrote
we were not welcomed by cheering Iraqi crowds as we were
told;
Not quite. Wes (who was with the very first troops into Baghdad and later,
Tikrit) told me that in Baghdad they were greeted with cheers from small
groups... at first.
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I'm quite confident that you can
On 5/12/05, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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The interpretation of such a poll will be dependant on where it is
taken
measure of the views of the people
of Iraq?
It could be meaningful, but it hasn't been done and isn't likely to be done.
But we have are numerous incidents in which the very people we are supposed to
be helping are attacking us, which tends to suggest that at least some of them
are not feeling
. soldiers to get out of Iraq quickly, according to an Abu Dhabi TV/
Zogby International poll earlier this year. Over half of Sunnis considered
insurgent attacks to be a legitimate resistance to U.S. presence. This follows
polling last year that showed that 71 percent of Iraqis considered U.S.-led
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 09:42:47 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
The interpretation
conditions in most of the country on decades of war but also on
the shortcomings of the international community.
The survey, in a nutshell, depicts a rather tragic situation of the
quality of life in Iraq, Saleh said in English at the event, attended by UN
Secretary General Kofi Annan's deputy
On May 12, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Gary Denton wrote:
BAGHDAD - The Iraqi people are suffering from a desperate lack of
jobs,
housing, health care and electricity, according to a survey by Iraqi
authorities and the United Nations released on Thursday.
Wow. So Iraq really IS like the US now! Woot
slants; and whatever opinion is
voiced today is going to be colored at least in part by current events
as well as the last half decade of history.
If you were to ask me how I liked Iraq now, and I was living there and
a US soldier had accidentally shot my brother, I would probably have a
very
, they're the ones who put 300,000 people on the
streets on April 9th.
You mention Sadr City, but Sadr himself has decided to work politically
instead of militarily. Everything that I see indicates that the
attacks in Iraq (which mainly kill Iraqis) are by Sunni.
First, so what if Sadr is working
, as I looked at some of these issues, one of the best
national health care systems in the world.
Not that I'm advocating a the trains ran on time mentality. But I've seen
that one up close, in Chile, after Pinochet.
Some of the unhappiness in Iraq is the inevitable result of people trying
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Is Iraq better off? (was Re: Br!n: Re: more neocons)
On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:57:28 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
why would you suggest
At 09:09 PM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
Instead, I am just expressing my confidence that if you have even a modicum
of honesty you can come up with something that is measurably better
in Iraq today than it was under Saddam Hussein. After all, Saddam
Hussein's
regime was one
ranking?
Unless you believe that Iraq is *stil* one
of the 5 worst regimes on Earth, then I am *sure* that you can come
up with something - if you are willing to be honest about it.
It really had nothing to do with honesty in the usual sense. It has to do
with the world looking like a lousy
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