Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-03 Thread John Garcia
Nope. If convicted, he faces a year in jail. Mandatory. hmmm, maybe he shoulda took the deal. john On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 10:45 AM, Paul Walker wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:24:56AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: You have to understand the enviromental idiom concerning weapons over

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-03 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary L. Nunn Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:48 PM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder I wrote So you are saying that the homeowner should NOT have protected his

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Paul Walker
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 05:46:11PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: I agree. Fine him $100 and close the books. At which point, every loon goes out and buys a gun, 'cause they figure the worst they'll get is a $100 fine. Nice one. The real problem here is the cop that investigated the crime.

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 19:14 1-3-2003 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: In any case, using a law that was designed to fight gangbangers Huh? I am familiar with the meaning of the word gangbang (and thus with the meaning of the words gangbanger and gangbanging), but I can assure you that it has nothing to do with

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:48 1-3-2003 -0500, Gary Nunn wrote: I don't disagree with you, but sending the man to jail with a possible felony for defending his family is an abuse of what the original intent of the law was. That's rhetoric, not fact, Gary. The guy is not going on trial for defending his family, he is

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Paul Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:31 AM Subject: Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 05:46:11PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: I agree. Fine him

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Paul Walker
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:24:56AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: You have to understand the enviromental idiom concerning weapons over here. Gun ownership is common. So common in fact that every loon already has one, and they dont have to get a permit to do so. All that is required is a

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Gary L. Nunn
Rob wrote Contrary to the rumors circling the globe, US citizens don't run around waving their guns in the air or shooting beer bottles off handy fence rails. People are much more discrete than that. (And I'm in Texas in case you don't recall) To see Americans shooting guns you pretty

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Reggie Bautista
rob wrote: Contrary to the rumors circling the globe, US citizens dont run around waving their guns in the air or shooting beer bottles off handy fence rails. People are much more discrete than that. (And I'm in Texas in case you dont recall) To see Americans shooting guns you pretty much have to

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Mar 2003 at 10:58, Robert Seeberger wrote: On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:24:56AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: You have to understand the enviromental idiom concerning weapons over here. Gun ownership is common. So common in fact that every loon already has one, and they dont have

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Reggie Bautista
Jeroen wrote: Besides, I think the I would be out of a job statement is a lame excuse; mr. Dixon *knew* he was breaking the law by owning an unlicensed gun. If he's going to lose his job because of it, well, that's his own fault -- he should have thought of that before he decided to keep an

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Contrary to the rumors circling the globe, US citizens dont run around waving their guns in the air or shooting beer bottles off handy fence rails. People are much more discrete than that. (And I'm in Texas in case you dont recall) To see Americans shooting guns you

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Reggie Bautista
Julia wrote: There are the occasional yahoo redneck exceptions, but they tend to keep it out in the country, where no one else is going to get hit. You forgot the (tm) after yahoo... :-) Reggie Bautista [sung in country music voice] Dot Com [spoken ala James Earl Jones] Maru

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Julia Thompson
Reggie Bautista wrote: Julia wrote: There are the occasional yahoo redneck exceptions, but they tend to keep it out in the country, where no one else is going to get hit. You forgot the (tm) after yahoo... :-) No, that's Yahoo!(tm). I was referring to a certain class of people, not a

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-02 Thread Paul Walker
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 10:58:35AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: The fact that of all the Americans you have known, hardly any of them have died from gunshot wounds, and that should tell you something about the actual state of things here. I rarely see a firearm, and if I do its True. (I'll

Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Gary L. Nunn
There was a stranger in the house. When Dixon saw the intruder enter his young son's room, he grabbed his 9 mm pistol, loaded it, and moved to the entrance of the boy's room. He saw the man rifling through drawers, and said, What are you doing in my house?

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gary L. Nunn wrote: My opinion: I am a bit torn on this one. I am absolutely in favor or self defense, especially in the home, but he did have an unlicensed gun in New York. But I am annoyed that the burglar was let go on probation (the first time) and now the dad is facing jail time for self

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gary L. Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder My opinion: I am a bit torn on this one. I am absolutely in favor or self defense, especially

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Gary L. Nunn wrote: My opinion: I am a bit torn on this one. I am absolutely in favor or self defense, especially in the home, but he did have an unlicensed gun in New York. But I am annoyed that the burglar was let go on probation (the first time) and now the dad is facing jail time for

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary L. Nunn wrote: My opinion: I am a bit torn on this one. I am absolutely in favor or self defense, especially in the home, but he did have an unlicensed gun in New York. But I am annoyed that the burglar was let go on probation (the

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread G. D. Akin
So license the gun and fine the guy. What was the other SOB doing in his house? George A - Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:30 AM Subject: Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
- Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:30 AM Subject: Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder Gary L. Nunn wrote: My opinion: I am a bit torn on this one. I am absolutely

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder On 1 Mar 2003 at 16:53, Julia Thompson wrote: Gary L. Nunn wrote: My

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Andrew Crystall
on owning guns. George A - Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:30 AM Subject: Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder Gary L. Nunn wrote: My opinion: I am a bit

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Mar 2003 at 18:58, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Gary L. Nunn wrote: My opinion: I am a bit torn on this one. I am absolutely in favor or self defense, especially in the home, but he did have an unlicensed gun in New York. But I am annoyed that the burglar was let go on

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Gary L. Nunn
One, there's a criminal who broke and entered, and thus must be punished for such. Two, there's a criminal who owned and fired a unliscenced gun, and thus must be punished for such. Andy Dawn Falcon So you are saying that the homeowner should NOT have protected his family with the gun

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Doug Pensinger
Robert Seeberger wrote: Unless Brooklyn has somehow migrated to the UK, your point lacks something by the way of relevence. Most places in the US dont have the type of gun registration cited. Without more information it is difficult to say if there might have been an honest mistake made in

Re: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Mar 2003 at 17:46, Doug Pensinger wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Unless Brooklyn has somehow migrated to the UK, your point lacks something by the way of relevence. Most places in the US dont have the type of gun registration cited. Without more information it is difficult to say if

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Mar 2003 at 20:31, Gary L. Nunn wrote: One, there's a criminal who broke and entered, and thus must be punished for such. Two, there's a criminal who owned and fired a unliscenced gun, and thus must be punished for such. Andy Dawn Falcon So you are saying that the homeowner

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Gary L. Nunn
I wrote So you are saying that the homeowner should NOT have protected his family with the gun because it wasn't licensed? Andy Dawn Falcon wrote I'm saying that because he had and fired an unlicensed gun he needs to be punished for that. I don't disagree with you, but sending

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Mar 2003 at 20:48, Gary L. Nunn wrote: I wrote So you are saying that the homeowner should NOT have protected his family with the gun because it wasn't licensed? Andy Dawn Falcon wrote I'm saying that because he had and fired an unlicensed gun he needs to be punished

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Gary L. Nunn
I wrote. In Ohio one can own a gun without a license, but in the near future, you will need a license to carry a concealed weapon. Andy Dawn Falcon wrote As far as I'n concerned, that's nuts. Means you can have people who don't know gun safety... At least in Israel,

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 1 Mar 2003 at 21:18, Gary L. Nunn wrote: I wrote. In Ohio one can own a gun without a license, but in the near future, you will need a license to carry a concealed weapon. Andy Dawn Falcon wrote As far as I'n concerned, that's nuts. Means you can have people who

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:31 PM 3/1/03 -0500, Gary L. Nunn wrote: One, there's a criminal who broke and entered, and thus must be punished for such. Two, there's a criminal who owned and fired a unliscenced gun, and thus must be punished for such. Andy Dawn Falcon So you are saying that the homeowner should

RE: Brooklyn Dad Facing Jail for Shooting Intruder

2003-03-01 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Mar 2003 at 0:16, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:31 PM 3/1/03 -0500, Gary L. Nunn wrote: One, there's a criminal who broke and entered, and thus must be punished for such. Two, there's a criminal who owned and fired a unliscenced gun, and thus must be punished for such. Andy