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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote:
>> Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I
>> have real hopes now of using mine regularly.
>
> +1 from me too :)
I think we can
On Sun, 2008-03-02 at 13:21 +1100, clare wrote:
> Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I
> have real hopes now of using mine regularly.
+1 from me too :)
-Tim
>
> thanks
> clare
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote:
> >
> > I think we will improve this a sm
Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I
have real hopes now of using mine regularly.
thanks
clare
On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote:
I think we will improve this a small amount in kernel updates we already
know we can do, but how much I don't know. We already
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>> For suspended time with GSM modem off we have the consumption down to
>> ~2mA and I expect that will improve further by software changes, so on a
>> 1200mAh battery like we ship maybe it can last 20 days (
Andy Green ha scritto:
Depends on what you're doing with it... is the backlight on all the
time... making a call... I can't give you a straight answer because I
didn't examine this yet. Instead I spent all my time around power
consumption looking to optimize suspend current since that can involv
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> Ok about charging, but what's exactly now the status of "discharging" on
> GTA02 devices?
> I mean... How long is actually running a (pre-)Freerunner without
> charging it?
Depends on what you're doing wit
Andy Green ha scritto:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
- charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h)
- charge from "intelligent" host: 500mA (1-2h)
- charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (<1h)
This is pretty accurate Joerg but on this last one the total
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Uncle Kridley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> joerg wrote:
> > - charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h)
> > - charge from "intelligent" host: 500mA (1-2h)
> > - charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (<1h)
>
> Ahh, ok, that makes a lo
joerg wrote:
> - charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h)
> - charge from "intelligent" host: 500mA (1-2h)
> - charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (<1h)
Ahh, ok, that makes a lot more sense. I generally charge overnight, so
when I'm traveling, the difference betwee
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> - charge from any host (incl simplistic chargers): 100mA (6-12h)
> - charge from "intelligent" host: 500mA (1-2h)
> - charge from quickcharger with magic R: 1500mA (<1h)
This is pretty accurate Joerg but o
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Uncle Kridley:
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > There will be a charger for the Neo Freerunner, which has the secret
> > resistor jOERG mentions below.
>
> Does this mean that it won't charge (or will only charge slowly) from a
> generic USB connector/charger? Part of t
Michael Shiloh wrote:
> There will be a charger for the Neo Freerunner, which has the secret
> resistor jOERG mentions below.
Does this mean that it won't charge (or will only charge slowly) from a
generic USB connector/charger? Part of the point of USB charging is
that you don't need a proprieta
to get my stuff into revision control, too. I'll try to get it
into projects.openmoko.org soon.
> Subject: Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
> Bobby,
>
> I'm glad you posted this again, I've been meaning to tell you I'll be
Bobby,
I'm glad you posted this again, I've been meaning to tell you I'll be
happy to host your script on downloads.openmoko.org. Shall I just copy
the script from your host?
Michael
Bobby Martin wrote:
In case some of you aren't on the device owners list I posted this to
before, I created
Andre Lanvermann wrote:
Oooh, the it seems i missunderstood the previous Messages. I was sure
that there is NO Charger
for the NEO Except the USB Port of a Computer. Im sorry :(
Greetings
Andre
Hi Andre, and welcome to the project.
You have to distinguish between the two models of Neo.
In case some of you aren't on the device owners list I posted this to
before, I created a script that will detect when you're plugged into a
charger that's causing a slow (100mA) charge and will ask if you want
to do fast charge instead.
Examples of such chargers include a car charger, the usb por
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann:
> Oooh, the it seems i missunderstood the previous Messages. I was sure
> that there is NO Charger
> for the NEO Except the USB Port of a Computer. Im sorry :(
from
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Charger
___ Charger __
Oooh, the it seems i missunderstood the previous Messages. I was sure
that there is NO Charger
for the NEO Except the USB Port of a Computer. Im sorry :(
Greetings
Andre
joerg schrieb:
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann:
I read the Archives and found this Topic. I own a T-M
Am Do 28. Februar 2008 schrieb Andre Lanvermann:
> I read the Archives and found this Topic. I own a T-Mobile MDA Vario.
> The device is
> charged via USB too. And theay included an USB Wallcharger. Have anybody
> allready checked
> this charger?
>
>
> Device Data:
> Delta Electronics inc.
> A
Hello OpenMoko Community,
im reading the OpenMoko Wiki and the Community Updates some time now,
and i just
registered for some OpenMoko Mailinglists.
I read the Archives and found this Topic. I own a T-Mobile MDA Vario.
The device is
charged via USB too. And theay included an USB Wallcharger.
Hi Bradley,
This is all being discussed extensively on the kernel mailing list (ML).
Yes, there will be ways to reduce consumption by turning off unnecessary
stuff. There are multiple levels of "suspension", each with a range of
components turned on or turned off. Of course once the structure
How much juice does the display eat up when it's active? I assume it's a
considerable amount. Could we have the ability to drop the phone into a
minimalist mode, where all the "fluff" is disabled but bare-basic
features continue to work?
For example, kill the wifi, GPS, bluetooth, and even the d
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>> *-USB-host power shortcircuit...? Will it blow my battery or whole NEO up in
>> smoke? ;-).
>
> http://www.analogictech.com/products/digitalfiles/AAT1275.pdf
and
http://www.richtek.com/www/Docs/DS9711-0
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
>> Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART --
>> let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector --
>> will be enough to make a p
Wolfgang Spraul ??:
Andy -
class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it will
ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to
availability and so on, but I hope it will.)
Yes, I think we can confirm that every GTA02 will ship with this new
'smart' batter
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>
> > some schematics anyway. All this very suboptimal with regard to an "open
> > phone". All my Sony-gadgets are more open, w
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> Still for quite a few embedded tasks I2C or LVTTL UART --
> let's not forget USB OTG 12Mbps host from the mini USB B connector --
> will be enough to make a practical solution though.
Good point! If i need additional GPIO, so what. I got I2C, so i just
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> So i hope there's a "testpoint" for each unused valuable (hidden) pin at
It didn't happen I am afraid. There is some IO to be had at the
testpoints, but mainly they are just that -- test points. For exa
Am Fr 15. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> As I say it matters a bit less because so many signals are unavailable
> anyway, but of course I really understand the point of having them. To
> offset it a little there are bunch of testpoints which are annotated on
> the board and will be annotated
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
>> Basically as a rule hardware is set in stone, it goes double when it is
>> micro BGAs and so on like this hardware, there's not much anyone can do
>> about that
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Andy Green:
> Basically as a rule hardware is set in stone, it goes double when it is
> micro BGAs and so on like this hardware, there's not much anyone can do
> about that.
That's the reason why polite PCB-designers are planning for a NC-via at least
for those BGA-
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> Is this smart battery (internal circuitry+cell) custom via OM, or third
> party?
I dunno the answer to this, but the smart battery is the same physical
footprint as the GTA01 one if that helps make a guess
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> Can GTA01 users upgrade to this battery and would it make sense to do so?
Not without hacking the device and the drivers and only then if you can
find a GPIO that comes out to a resistor or something you c
Can GTA01 users upgrade to this battery and would it make sense to do so?
Ortwin
On 2/14/08, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy -
>
> > class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it
> > will
> > ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to
>
On 14/02/2008, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Kyle for a great summary of the work being discussed on the
> kernel ML. I am simply not able to keep up with all the lists and very
> much appreciate your helping out here.
>
> Michael
indeed, thanks for the info kyle.
i've bee
Is this smart battery (internal circuitry+cell) custom via OM, or third
party?
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Andy -
>
> > class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it
> > will
> > ship with such a battery since it is decided
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul:
> I am trying to release the schematics for the small PCB inside the
> smart battery as well, will be posted to the wiki.
So the *first* bit of schematics we ever get to know of NEO is the one of the
smart battery, which most probably is an OEM p
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> Andy -
>
>> class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it will
>> ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to
>> availability and so on, but I hope it will.)
>
> Y
Andy -
class to expose it so it is generic. (I don't know for sure if it
will
ship with such a battery since it is decided in .tw according to
availability and so on, but I hope it will.)
Yes, I think we can confirm that every GTA02 will ship with this new
'smart' battery.
There are more
For reference, the numbers I came up with are for absolute minimum power
usage for GTA02. These figures are still *very* preliminary, but I wanted
to convey the success of the last few weeks. We should probably expect a
standby time closer to ~7 days, that way any improvement over this runtime
wi
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> On Thursday, Feb 14, 2008, "Kyle Bassett" writes:
>> There is talk about pushing startup power control of the internal devices
>> (wifi, bt, gps, mmc, etc.) to user level, as every user may or may not want
>
On Thursday, Feb 14, 2008, "Kyle Bassett" writes:
>There is talk about pushing startup power control of the internal devices
>(wifi, bt, gps, mmc, etc.) to user level, as every user may or may not want
>certain devices available at bootup/all the time (availability vs.
>duration).
Indeed, this alo
This would definitely be good. I have Bluetooth disabled on my
current phone almost all the time. As rarely as I use BT, there's no
need to have it always on. I anticipate similar usage for wifi for
me. So, I would love to be able to turn those two off and back from
the icons at the top.
-Stev
Am Do 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Kyle Bassett:
> I have been following the "Suspended Mode" thread in the kernel ML and they
> have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently
> stands, a "cold" suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming
> call/sms), could result in >2
Uncle Kridley wrote:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
We are well aware of software changes we need to make in order to
improve battery and have simply not had the time to do this. You can
expect much better battery life when we implement these changes.
[...]
that my very simple testing suggests should
Thanks Kyle for a great summary of the work being discussed on the
kernel ML. I am simply not able to keep up with all the lists and very
much appreciate your helping out here.
Michael
Kyle Bassett wrote:
I have been following the "Suspended Mode" thread in the kernel ML and
they have made am
I have been following the "Suspended Mode" thread in the kernel ML and they
have made amazing progress within the last week. As GTA02A5 currently
stands, a "cold" suspend mode (just GSM in standby awaiting incoming
call/sms), could result in >20 days of standby!
For those technical people on this
Michael Shiloh wrote:
> We are well aware of software changes we need to make in order to
> improve battery and have simply not had the time to do this. You can
> expect much better battery life when we implement these changes.
[...]
> that my very simple testing suggests should last for well over
Nick Guenther wrote:
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capac
On Saturday 09 February 2008, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
> At least the 1973-compatible Nokia batteries will probably be
> available for a long time (as I'm hoping the Nokia 770 batteries will
> be), but there is still the problem with charging them (the phone
> cannot do it). The rule of thumb is tha
On Feb 8, 2008 5:00 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I guess many people would like to have a second battery - is there any
> > chance that you make them available? Openmoko on the Neo is now good
> > enough for daily use, yet it is running out of battery quickly.
> >
> > Maybe one
Marcus Bauer wrote:
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity will
On Friday 08 February 2008 17:29:36 Steven ** wrote:
> Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
> drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery.
Almost. Unfortunately the Bl-5C has only 850mAh and for some reason the Neo
doesn't charge it. A DT-14 help for the latter.
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 10:29 -0600, Steven ** wrote:
> Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
> drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. They discovered this a
> long time ago.
The Nokia batteries are AFAIK not a drop-in replacement. According to
http://wiki.op
Hi Tim and others,
There are a number of issues here, and I promised I'd look into this. It
turned out to be complicated, and I don't have the full answer yet.
There were a number of known software issues in GTA01 which caused the
battery to drain more rapidly than intended. Some of these hav
Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. They discovered this a
long time ago.
-Steven
On Feb 8, 2008 9:35 AM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > Hello,
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
>
> 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
> no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
>
> 2. The capacity will most like
Have we seen any concrete results on what the battery life will be like in
the GTA02 yet? I suppose we won't get that until it's actually in the hands
of developers.
On Feb 8, 2008 6:23 AM, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
>
> 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
> no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
>
> 2. The capacity will most
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity will most likely be around 1200mA.
If you find any place on the wiki that says somet
1700 would be hard to believe. It's too small.
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Um, just wondering what the differences were since the wiki seems to
list the same information as here. I checked the wiki history, it looks
like mainly more specific information about the components. I didn't
see anything there about the 850 mhz change though.
One recent change is from a st
(Please help by changing the subject when the topic changes)
I'll look into this.
Michael
Denis wrote:
The wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware says
"1200mAh lithium battery charges when connected to powered host", but
the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_G
I said very slightly
>>> Ben Burdette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/06/08 11:57 AM >>>
So what is it that is different from the old spec? Is it just the 850
mhz version?
Christopher Earl wrote:
> the specs have changed (very slightly)
>
> * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi
> * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz
So what is it that is different from the old spec? Is it just the 850
mhz version?
Christopher Earl wrote:
the specs have changed (very slightly)
* Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi
* Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz
* SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator
* 2x ST 3D Accelerometers
* 256MB Flash
* 128M
The wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware says
"1200mAh lithium battery charges when connected to powered host", but the
page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Battery says it's a 1700mAh
one. So where is the typo?
2008/2/6, Christopher Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Maybe a typo in the GTA02 hardware wiki, here is the link
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware
>>> Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/05/08 8:04 PM >>>
The wiki history showes that Feb, 3rd it still was 1700mAh. Can
anybody from OpenMoko confirm whether it is correct?
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Thats whats listed in the WiKi
>>> Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/05/08 5:08 PM >>>
1200mAh battery? Is it a mistake?! It use to be 1700mAh! I think
1200mAh is too few for 400 mhz CPU, wi-fi and everything...
2008/2/5, Christopher Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> the specs have changed (very slightly)
>
1200mAh battery? Is it a mistake?! It use to be 1700mAh! I think
1200mAh is too few for 400 mhz CPU, wi-fi and everything...
2008/2/5, Christopher Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> the specs have changed (very slightly)
>
> * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi
> * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz
> * SMedia Glamo3
U-blox ANTARIS 4 chip
Connected to: S3C2442 UART2, /dev/ttySAC1 in userspace
Driver: none needed, talks standard NMEA
Datasheet: http://atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc4928.pdf
>>> Nils Faerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/05/08 10:02 AM >>>
Christopher Earl schrieb:
> the specs have c
Christopher Earl schrieb:
> the specs have changed (very slightly)
>
> * Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi
> * Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz
> * SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator
> * 2x ST 3D Accelerometers
> * 256MB Flash
> * 128MB SDRAM
> * 2MB NOR Flash
> * 1200mAh Battery
> * 2 LEDs illuminating
the specs have changed (very slightly)
* Atheros 802.11 b/g WiFi
* Samsung S3C2442 B54 SoC @ 400Mhz
* SMedia Glamo3362 Graphics Accelerator
* 2x ST 3D Accelerometers
* 256MB Flash
* 128MB SDRAM
* 2MB NOR Flash
* 1200mAh Battery
* 2 LEDs illuminating the two buttons.
* u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS
* B
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