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Now as far as Slaves and Blacks we have had this here before too. Look
up
the history of the KKK. Started at a University and continued as a
way to
keep businesses from bringing in Blacks as strike breakers. If you
find
more please list the book or URL.
Are you saying
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For readings on Blacks that owned slaves see these resources.
We have a book by Gary Mills, who a professor at Univ. of
Alabama, "The Forgotten People," which is about Creoles of Color in
Louisiana who owned slaves. It sells for $14.95, postpaid.
"Black Slave owners" about
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believe to be juvenile posts knocking one anothermaybe both of you need a
time out.
YI've been on this list for YEARSif you don't like it, LEAVE...
CW-I have been listening to others and there is a lot of knowledge on this
listwhen I got on this morning I saw
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On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Carlene M. Wojahn wrote:
CW-I have been listening to others and there is a lot of knowledge on this
listwhen I got on this morning I saw this post calling someone else names...and
for a while I thought that person should get cooled off too...but then as
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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
Still voicing OPINION without FACTS, are we?
Read the words, June... I believe them to be factual Documents from the era
indicate
that such was the situation, or that those who were living at the time believed it to
be
so
Documents
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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
Still voicing OPINION without FACTS, are we?
Read the words, June... I believe them to be factual Documents from the era
indicate
that such was the situation, or that those who were living at
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In a message dated 1/10/99 10:23:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are two rather
interesting photographs related to the CSA prison camp in Tyler, Texas
(Camp
Ford). One shows a group of prisoners photographed upon their departure
from
rum
for their PRIVATE opinions from PRIVATE research as well) as well.
Laura
AKA The Pied Piper
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From: Carlene M. Wojahn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
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For Carlene
Up till now you have contributed nothing to this list besides "Personal
Opinion".
Excuse me !!! Personal opinion...is it personal opinion that there have been KKK
activities up north
Okayhere is some documentation
Chicago Historical Information
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the
southern states had the legal right to leave the union and that they did
solawfully. As I stated, the Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement
with this position. It was
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In a message dated 1/9/99 7:55:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I was raised in the old South in Claxton, Georgia 1941-1949 and I can tell
you from personal
experience that the old South I experienced respected everyone.
Your post is disconnected from
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In a message dated 1/9/99 12:51:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Now, I been a-thinkin', Lord have mercy, I can create a list that will
recieve
all posts from CTRL and will be open for more discussion and chat.
Sounds good to me. Jerry
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"Carlene M. Wojahn" wrote:
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what is this..I don't understand this list, first message I opened, one was
accusing one to be another.,,now you are saying it happens all of the time. Is
this what this list is about, if so I might as well leave.
I want to
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Dear Jerry,
I remember those times that you speak of in the LATE fifty's early sixty's. That
was almost twenty years difference from MY experience. The events that happened
had nothing to do with MY experience. In my post, I indicated I lived in Claxton,
Georgia. That's a
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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
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On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Carlene M. Wojahn wrote:
or even that of 135 years ago, you got to remember the differences in the cultures
between the north and the south, and that culture includes their religion.
How was the religion of the
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In a message dated 1/8/99 6:23:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sometimes people
would rather "be taken care of" than face life's uncertainties armed only
with
their own skills and decision-making abilities.
Welcome back, Hawk. Many of us missed
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Gerald Harp wrote:
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Welcome back, Hawk. Many of us missed hearing your arguments however we
disagreed because your supporting evidence offered something to get one's
teeth into.
Thanks for the welcome.
I'm not sure what to say regarding your remarks
and then takes off.
Laura
AKA The Pied Piper
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From: Carlene M. Wojahn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
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Thank you for your warm welcome..the first post I opened
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You are correct. It is your list. But, (oh shit here, it comes) what I see is
censorship because you don't like his method of supporting his position. I enjoy
the list and have learned a lot from both positions of the debate. My appraisal
of the intercourse was (in Hawk's
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In a message dated 1/9/99 4:30:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You own the list. You can do what ever you want with it. However,
your banning Hawk from the list without even a warning or and ending to
that particular thread is objectionable to me. Will
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In a message dated 1/9/99 12:51:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Political and religious 'stances'
discussions are subjects based upon 'personal' 'beliefs' and continual
battlement on these subjects deter our study of 'social history and the
forces
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I believe the problem is a misunderstanding of his beliefs. I don't believe he
supports
slavery, he simple reported the truth about what happened in history. Slavery still
exist
today and is not limited to black people. His debate is not about his views, but
about the
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I will agree, that there is much 'blame' to go around during the recent
'STUPID' bs flamings. And I really don't want to be a recess monitor.
Sometimes I figure, if ya dish it out better expect to deal with it. Mostly it
is a bore.
Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting
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You own the list. You can do what ever you want with it. However,
your banning Hawk from the list without even a warning or and ending to
that particular thread is objectionable to me. Will I be next? Now I
will have to be looking at everything I write and wonder if I will be
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What constitutes "baiting"? While I've subscribed to the list, I've read
posts attacking Jews, minorities, and "liberals." Plus, all of the vile
and scurrilous posts about the President and Hillary. In addition, I've
read posts that have targeted the poor, welfare recipients,
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In a message dated 1/9/99 12:36:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting or flaming, but my own personal
distaste for bible-thumping slavery apologists. Historical
outlooks/discussions buttressed by bibical
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Geeshh you had me worried there, that you weren't who you are, and Hawk isn't who he
is,
and I was even beginning to wonder if I was who I am.I was beginning to sense a
conspiracy of our identities being taken away...oh, well...I am glad you
not apply.
Laura
aka The Pied Piper
PS I hope this is clear enough for you to understand, this time.
-Original Message-
From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
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Howdy all,
The utility of CTRL as an informational exchange network starts to diminsh as
the volume gets larger. Much of the volume is being created by discussions of
asides and other trivial matters. Political and relgious 'stances'
discussions are subjects based upon
From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
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What constitutes "baiting"? While I've subscribed to the list, I've read
posts attacking J
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Thank you for your warm welcome..the first post I opened up was the post accusing you
to
be someone else. The mentality of that first message got me wondering about this list.
But I will stick around and see what I can learn, if anything I can learn from
youand others who
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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Davis and the other southern commanders had taken oaths as soldiers and as
politicians to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States.
They were bound by that oath not to work against the best interests of the
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I think you missed my earlier post. I'm not against the idea of states
leaving the Union...per se.
In the case of the Civil War, as in most wars, the issues were confused
and complex. But I think on the issue of slavery there was no compromise.
Mr. Davis, what appears to be
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Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list.
I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision.
All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on
this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political
spectrum from the
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At 01:44 PM 1/8/99 -0600, you wrote:
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Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list.
I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision.
All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on
this list. (myself included.) I'm
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In a message dated 1/8/99 1:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
My
understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had
the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I
stated, the Supreme Court of the time
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Hawk wrote:
FROM THE DIXIEDAYS-L MAILING LIST.
Gerald Harp wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had
the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
When the southern military commanders took up arms against their
government...that was a TREASONOUS act in my book.
***
Jefferson Davis spent several years in prison after the war begging
to be released or put on trial for treason. I think it
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Hawk wrote:
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William... I am having to post this directly to you because I quickly use up my
alloted 7 posts per day.
William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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Hawk,
Thank you for serving our country. As a veteran, you put your life on the
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In a message dated 1/6/99 4:04:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone
who understands the bible (which I allow as the only reliable source of
determining "good" and "evil"),
should quickly pick up on the idea that God does not consider the
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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Davis and the other southern commanders had taken oaths as soldiers and as
politicians to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States.
They were bound by that oath not to work against the best interests of the
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I lived overseas, Hawk. (Mexico) I've had to come to the aid of
Americans stranded down there..and in one case, they were tourists about
to be jumped by the locals. I speak Spanish and with my Native American
blood gives me a Hispanic look...so I can easily pass as Mexican
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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In general, I'm opposed to the use of force against people. [snip] , but I think
most of us have to recognize that until there is some major transformation of
human nature and human society, "power" or force must be used in
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Continuing discussion:
This is my rant for the evening:
In order to prosper in a capitalist society you
need capital in one form or another. You would agree? The individual who
has capital (money, land, skills, political connections, education,
membership in a politically
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In a message dated 1/5/99 9:17:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Oh no, I killed a rat in my house the other day. Am I going to go to
hell?
best wishes, Howard Davis
Maybe you are. Prudy
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CTRL is a discussion and
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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Re: "sending kids off to war." Your caustic comment notwithstanding, you
nor I wouldn't be enjoying the freedoms we do have, if it wasn't for the
sacrifice of others... Perhaps, they were "stupid" to fight for this
country.
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William... I am having to post this directly to you because I quickly use up my
alloted 7 posts per day.
William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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Hawk,
Thank you for serving our country. As a veteran, you put your life on the line for
the country and
that is to be
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In a message dated 1/6/99 10:18:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The last American soldiers to fight for "freedom" were
Confederate soldiers.
You're just confused. The Confederate soldiers were fighting for slavery.
Some understood this and other,
Curious, Environmental groups do not say that you have to quit
eating meat. Think of Coustou. All they say is that we should take
care of our food supply. They do not say that you can not train and ride a
horse or train and show or shoot over a dog. They do think that you should
do it
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Whether Native Americans corraled bison or drove them off cliffs, the
FACT of the matter is that at the time the Europeans showed up, bison
numbered in the MILLIONS, and their accounts relate migrations where
bison herds filled the land from horizon to horizon FOR DAYS...
And
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On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
Then I thought of something else... Let's compare the American Bison
with the elephant. In Africa, elephants are owned by "the people,"
which everyone with any sense should know by now, means "the
government." There is no private ownership of
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You need to do some research on the subject, H. (with all due respect).
The Canadian government is subsidizing their producers. Your remarks
about agricultural subsidies demonstrates your basic lack of knowledge
about conditions in the agricultural sector.
The reason why you
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I'm all for your right to own an elephant, Hawk.
Go for it.
However, I think your argument that private owners make better
caretakers because they are interested in protecting their investment
might be a little weak. It resembles the arguments used by white
slaveowners during
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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
They are run over with elephants... elephants are thriving and
multiplying.
Bullshit. The Indian elephant's in trouble due to loss of it's natural
habitat...
Maybe I should have said "Domesticated Indian elephants." You're back to talking
about
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In a message dated 1/4/99 11:56:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They were also stupid enough not to realize the value of personal ownership
of wealth,
and the productive power of capitalism... After all, that's why they were
living in
tents and barely
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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You need to do some research on the subject, H. (with all due respect).
The Canadian government is subsidizing their producers.
I don't care at all what the Canadian govm't subsidizes or doesn't subsidize. I would
be
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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I'm all for your right to own an elephant, Hawk.
Go for it.
However, I think your argument that private owners make better
caretakers because they are interested in protecting their investment
might be a little weak.
I
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You're too right. Isn't it sad? Prudy
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==
CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory', with its many
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Re: government subsidies. I don't disagree with you on this point. Why
should the government subsidize a particular economic sector (or special
interest group) and not others? But that is how the game of power is
played. The government is particularly generous to business
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Thank you, Hawk, for the documentation. I apologize for any ad hominem
remarks I might have made..
I have read Vogel. (I have a degree in American history.) Vogel argued
that the majority of slaves were not inhumanely or cruelly treated.. I
would agree (if we define inhumane
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On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Hawk wrote:
Bullshit. The Indian elephant's in trouble due to loss of it's natural
habitat...
Maybe I should have said "Domesticated Indian elephants." You're back to talking
about "wild" elephants that "belong to the people."
And just WHERE do you
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In a message dated 1/5/99 12:54:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and history. For your information, the typical Negro slave received back,
over the period of
his life, about 90% of the wealth he produced... He had a longer life
expectency than
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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
But my guess is that God will treat each one of us by the way we treated
the lesser species in our care/dominion...
Oh no, I killed a rat in my house the other day. Am I going to go to
hell?
best wishes, Howard Davis
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
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Gerald Harp wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and history. For your information, the typical Negro slave received back,
over the period of his life, about 90% of the wealth he produced... He had a
longer life expectency than white Europeans of
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Thank you for the excellent post. Here in North Dakota, the agricultural
community is hurting thanks to a number of stupid government policies...
NAFTA and the Republican "Freedom to Farm" bill... The wheat growers are
particularly angry at Canadian dumping of wheat on this
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William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
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Thank you for the excellent post. Here in North Dakota, the agricultural
community is hurting thanks to a number of stupid government policies...
NAFTA and the Republican "Freedom to Farm" bill... The wheat growers are
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