On Tue, Nov 05, 2019 at 03:46:11PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On communication ...
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On communication ...
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 05:50:00AM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:35:31 - Juan wrote:
...
> > Fine, So what's the cause/source of statism? =)
>
> Social mammals have a herd instinct, and more specifically humans
> naturally select leader
>
> How long you're involved with someone isn't important. What you get out
> of it is.
>
> Right?
No, what I said is that experiencing it is important. The experience of
love is more about giving, than receiving. But, yes, it can feel wonderful
to give to someone, and in that sense you get someth
On 09/25/2016 04:25 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:32:22 -
>>>
>>> Does this mean we're breaking up?
>>
>> Life is terribly tragic sometimes.
>
> No, not a tragedy, just life. I find the best way to deal with a painful
> breakup is to remember that if not for t
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:32:22 -
>>
>> Does this mean we're breaking up?
>
> Life is terribly tragic sometimes.
No, not a tragedy, just life. I find the best way to deal with a painful
breakup is to remember that if not for the lows, the highs would not be as
sweet; and that, with the ri
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:32:22 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:24:06 -
> > I'm really fed up with you now =)
>
> Does this mean we're breaking up?
Life is terribly tragic sometimes.
> "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 08:51:18PM -0300, juan wrote:
>
> 1) Rational is not the metric for good, although good may often be
>rational.
No argument from me. Just to be clear, that was my way of summarizing
juan's position. He has been the one advocating rationality as the key to
focus on.
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:24:06 -
> I'm really fed up with you now =)
Does this mean we're breaking up?
>> Oh, I disagree. You're at a computer, so you're sitting. And you most
>> certainly are a baby.
>
> Ha ha ha. So funny.
I thought so too. I notice that you clipped the part ab
On 09/25/2016 12:05 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in discussing the definition of "good"
or the value of rationality, but this is interesting.
> Here's a hint to everyone on still reading:
>
> Every sentence beginning with "if" (or similar, or that implicitly
> b
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 08:51:18PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:01:39 -
> xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > > Because there are well organized 'minorities' who are able
> > > to impose their views on the rest.
> >
> > But it isn't rational to allow a minority to impress its will
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:24:06 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>
> > OK. You want to believe that your niece has 'autism'. I
> > think she should be left the fuck alone. Notice also how a couple of
> > days ago you apparently thought that conformity to 'social
> > norms' was a problem
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:01:39 -
> Well, I don't. And what hat are you wearing now? The
> manipulative emotionalist, or the cold 'scientific' thinker?
I don't really care if you do, or don't. I have no vested interest in
changing your mind. I'm simply stating my views, and respondi
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:01:39 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>
> I see. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me more like
> your main criticism is of the establishment of psychiatry, and not so
> much with the study of the mind, personality, and so on as such?
You can 'study'
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 05:50:00 -
> Psychiatry is radically different. Being 'mentally healthy'
> simply means being 'well adapted' to a society of crazies.
I get where you are coming from. I've often said, "Being well-adapted to a
sick culture is no sign of health."
> The fa
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 05:50:00 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:35:31 -
> > Yes indeed. But there are very important differences between
> > physics - a 'hard science', medicine which could be
> > 'scientific' but since it deals with incredibly complex systems
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:44:12 -0400
> John Newman wrote:
>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
>>
>> "..There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by
>> NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience by
>> experts.."
>
>
> Somewhat
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:35:31 -
> Yes indeed. But there are very important differences between
> physics - a 'hard science', medicine which could be 'scientific'
> but since it deals with incredibly complex systems it is mostly
> a joke (and fraud) at the moment, and th
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 23:10:27 -
>>
>> It's all about misdirection, and subtle cues.
>
>
> Yes, but there isn't anything extraordinary about it. He's
> simply trying to distract his target. There isn't any profound
> scientific principle or insight behind that.
I don't really
On 09/21/2016 06:44 PM, John Newman wrote:
> NLP is widely discredited pseudo-science crap.
It works quite well on simple minded people. AKA "Useful Idiots".
Rr
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:36:53PM -0300, juan wrote:
>>> The skills of illusion, and "mentalism" are quite real.. and if you
>>
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:44:12 -0400
John Newman wrote:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming
>
> "..There is no scientific evidence supporting the claims made by
> NLP advocates and it has been discredited as a pseudoscience by
> experts.."
Somewhat related I g
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 09:36:53PM -0300, juan wrote:
> > The skills of illusion, and "mentalism" are quite real.. and if you
> > watch more of his stuff, especially the longer videos or full
> > episodes where he breaks down the hows and whys of it working,
> > perhaps you'll be less likely to say
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 14:35:31 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:55:03 -
> >
> > You hit a nerve only in a general sense. Psychiatry is a
> > especially vicious tool for political manipulation and
> > oppresion.
>
> Indeed. Religion, physics, and medicine g
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 23:10:27 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > However the idea that a professional seller of jewelry is
> > going to make a big sale like that, without even COUNTING the bills
> > because he had been chatted up with some nonsense about the
> > subway system is...not
Ooops.
Sent this to Juan offlist, but meant to copy the list on it too.
> However the idea that a professional seller of jewelry is going
> to make a big sale like that, without even COUNTING the bills
> because he had been chatted up with some nonsense about the
> subway
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:59:14 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:40:09PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > Now, here's your fallacy. Because we humans are of course acting
> > rationally under pressure. Take Juan's give-me-your-money example:
> > in order to actuall
On Sep 21, 2016 2:29 AM, "Александр" wrote:
>
> oh oh oh... so much private information and WHAT an information
we should start LAving you, xorcist. Just lAving you!!! What a holy man we
got on the list... on day three he opens his hErt in front of all of us.
I was lurking for a long,
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:55:03 -
>
> You hit a nerve only in a general sense. Psychiatry is a
> especially vicious tool for political manipulation and
> oppresion.
Indeed. Religion, physics, and medicine generally, as well.
Political oppressors will co-opt anything they can u
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 08:28:29AM +0300, Александр wrote:
> you are not gonna succeed. There are Invincible GUARDS here on the list for
Ahem. :
1) At best, holding an intention for righteousness, truth, "a better
future" or whatever floats your boat, is something we can strive for.
2) No mat
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 04:55:03 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> >> You're like autistic or something.
> >
> >
> > Sure. And being gay is a disease that is cured with
> > electroshocks and lobotomies.
>
>
> Hit a nerve, did I? Sorry. No judgments.
You hit a nerve only in a gener
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 05:10:24AM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> In fact, I'm not EVEN CIA, and I have a lot better things to do. I'm burnt
> out lately, so I've been slacking.
Wanna pony up some other TLA's? There's plenty of 'em :)
>
> oh oh oh... so much private information and WHAT an information we
> should start LAving you, xorcist. Just lAving you!!! What a holy man we
> got
Private? Fuck you're paranoid.
I don't consider what I do for a living, or otherwise, private. My name,
location, who I date.. those thing
2016-09-21 7:55 GMT+03:00 :
> 1. I act as mentor for some cognitively disabled adults. Mostly in the way
> of
> helping them find coping strategies for their difficulties. Providing a
> measure of friendship and companionship
>
> 2. I do this on top of my day job, which is in cloud infrastructure
>
> Now, here's your fallacy.
And, let me also say.. your description of the human thought process is
all wrong. :)
Consider it this way. When someone walks up to you, and sticks out their
hand to shake hands.. you respond by reaching out and shaking hands.
You're not processing it all the way y
> 2016-09-21 3:33 GMT+03:00 juan :
>
> Oh... what a deadly punch/es, Juan! (one of)
> The poor new CIA troll xorcist (substituting the SDW guy) starts to
> understand why his fellow man (SDW) failed on the list with his cheap
> US/antihuman pseudophilosophical propaganda.
> :P
>
> Lets see whom the
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:40:09PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> Now, here's your fallacy. Because we humans are of course acting
> rationally under pressure. Take Juan's give-me-your-money example: in
> order to actually hand out your money you need to understand my
> intentions, you need
2016-09-21 3:33 GMT+03:00 juan :
>
> *1. first knockout of xorcist:*
> was from Razer.
> __
>
> *2. **second knockout of xorcist:*
> from Juan:
>
> Let's put it another way :
>
> There are 'benefits' to being a corrupt lapdog who goes along
> with whatever corrupt nonsense
>> You're like autistic or something.
>
>
> Sure. And being gay is a disease that is cured with
> electroshocks and lobotomies.
Hit a nerve, did I? Sorry. No judgments. If its correct, it just means you
just think differently. It's not even a big deal. For the purposes here,
it just m
On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 11:40:09PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> But for real life, when you get beaten as a slave all day, it AFFECTS YOUR
> THOUGHTS.
>
> When you work a dreary ass job, barely get enough sleep, having your very
> dreams filled up with visions of monotonous days at work.. i
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 02:33:10 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:40:09 -
> > xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> >
> > Dude, that has nothing to do with any 'group'. If you are an
> > attacker, then your victims have every right to defend
> > themselves. That's the
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:40:09 -
> xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>
> Dude, that has nothing to do with any 'group'. If you are an
> attacker, then your victims have every right to defend
> themselves. That's the basic logic of morality.
Ya know, after I hit send on that last mes
On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:40:09 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > I don't want to put words in your mouth, but, are you
> > 'implicitly' saying that slavery being right or wrong is a
> > matter of 'cultural interpretation'? Or mostly a matter of
> > 'interpretation'?
>
> Look, I'm
> I don't want to put words in your mouth, but, are you
> 'implicitly' saying that slavery being right or wrong is a
> matter of 'cultural interpretation'? Or mostly a matter of
> 'interpretation'?
Look, I'm not arguing for moral relativity, which is basically what you're
a
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:55:09 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 02:43:08 -
> > Do you think that slaves wanted to be slaves? And do you
> > think that the people who enslaved them were not responsible for the
> > enslavement? THAT is free wiil at work.
> >
> >
> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 06:11:43PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> We should probably imagine 10 year time frame, not 6 weeks :)
I think more on the scale of 100 years, but yeah. 10 would be wonderful.
> But even though it's difficult, without a core of belligerently
> principled and strong
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 05:18:03PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 02:43:08 -
> xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > > I'm not really following. No doubt we can find more than a
> > > few instances of people acting like animals, but what of it?
> > >
> > > It's also true that people can
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 06:11:43PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> >> You know, the main problem with anarchism is that there are no doctors
> >> and engineers to speak of.
>
> > Guaranteed we could find at least a handful of "doctors and lawyers",
> > who subscribe to at least some aspects of
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 02:43:08 -
> Do you think that slaves wanted to be slaves? And do you think
> that the people who enslaved them were not responsible for the
> enslavement? THAT is free wiil at work.
>
> "There are limits free will" is just a vague, irrelevant
>
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:21:23 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> Eben Moglen should stand in politics. Linus Torvalds should stand in
> the same party - wouldn't that be fun :)
Torvalds? Torvalds should either learn the ABC of politics or
stick to coding. And same thing for that
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 02:43:08 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> >
> > Not sure what you mean.
>
> I mean what I said. If I say "a wheel is spinning freely" you
> understand that there is little friction to it spinning.
Talking in wrong analogies and 'parables' isn't your best bet
> Does not matter if your seats of power are in a global hegemonic empire,
> or merely the 12 seats on your local council, or some other system where
> a "benevolent dictator is supposed to wield ulatimte authority" - by
> "being too smart to get involved in politics", as you correctly point
> out,
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:04:28AM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 09:20:15PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:22:44 -
> >>
> > We can hope for the occasional 'benevolent' dictator. They might be
> > rare, but they occasionally get in
> On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 01:51:48 -
> xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>> The social milieu is much like a river. You can swim in it, and to a
>> degree you can control your direction, but you will always be moving
>> with the current. If you're an extraordinary swimmer, maybe you can
>> make progress a
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 01:51:48 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:20:15 -
> > xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > I think, though I'm not completely sure, that there was a
> > rather widespread opposition to the clipper chip, including
> > opposition among more 'r
On 09/18/2016 06:36 PM, Mirimir wrote:
> Posting private messages is very bad form, without explicit permission.
>
> Just sayin'.
Trolling for information about people on lists using confrontational
strategies and tactics is 'bad form;' Do it offlist, that means HOSTILE
COMMUNICATION, or havin
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:20:15 -
> xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> I think, though I'm not completely sure, that there was a
> rather widespread opposition to the clipper chip, including
> opposition among more 'respectable' members of the
> establishment. The same members
On 09/18/2016 10:22 AM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>> Fwiw, for those who aren't aware... The point of trolls like this one,
>> 'xorcist', and cyberpiggie et all is to stalk individuals posts on lists
>> with garbage so people start to think, whenever the one being targeted
>> posts, "Oh fuck that
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 09:20:15PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
>> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:22:44 -
>>
>> "I tried being an anarchist but there are too many rules."
>
> Gold.
>
> :)
Hah. Glad you got a kick out of it. That one got me laid once, in fact.
>
> We can hope for the occasio
On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:20:15 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:22:44 -
> > So, how effective have your crypto techniques and tools been
> > against the state?
>
> Depends on what your metric is, I suppose. But, I'd argue that absent
> Matt Blaze's Clipper chi
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 09:20:15PM -, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:22:44 -
>
> > Is that supposed to mean : only 'abuses' of power are a
> > problem, not power per se?
>
> "I tried being an anarchist but there are too many rules."
Gold.
:)
> Crypto won
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:22:44 -
> So, how effective have your crypto techniques and tools been
> against the state?
Depends on what your metric is, I suppose. But, I'd argue that absent Matt
Blaze's Clipper chip hack, your land line phones would have been entirely
tapped well befo
On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 16:22:44 -
xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> I remember when this list had posts from Assange and others on actual
> cryptographic techniques and tools,
So, how effective have your crypto techniques and tools been
against the state?
And what is stopi
> Fwiw, for those who aren't aware... The point of trolls like this one,
> 'xorcist', and cyberpiggie et all is to stalk individuals posts on lists
> with garbage so people start to think, whenever the one being targeted
> posts, "Oh fuck that means I'm gonna see all that shit from x...@xxx.xxx
> a
2016-09-18 18:31 GMT+03:00 Razer :
> for those who aren't aware... The point of trolls like this one,
> 'xorcist', and cyberpiggie et all is to stalk individuals posts on lists
> with garbage so people start to think, whenever the one being targeted
> posts, "Oh fuck that means I'm gonna see all t
Fwiw, for those who aren't aware... The point of trolls like this one,
'xorcist', and cyberpiggie et all is to stalk individuals posts on lists
with garbage so people start to think, whenever the one being targeted
posts, "Oh fuck that means I'm gonna see all that shit from x...@xxx.xxx
again and w
Replying through list b/c I don't want this scumbucket disruptor having
a mail header from direct email to 'sigAint'.
No 'pissing contest' necessary.
Your email's blocked at the server buhbye troll.
On 09/17/2016 09:32 PM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote:
> Taking this off-list, because it doesn't
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