Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:21:01AM -0500, Christopher Davis wrote: > As asked on the fedora issue, will this mean that cloud documents will > no longer be available within the app? If you want to keep the online accounts integration alive in Documents then you'd need to do something like this

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Tue, 29 Jan, 2019 at 6:48 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: We'll be much more careful about adding apps in the future to ensure we have consensus and avoid backtracking on changes again. (I think Geary is still a very plausible candidate, though.) As mentioned a long time ago, I think I'd

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, 28 Jan, 2019 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: A blog post was written and put out there because there was confusion/issues with 3rd party folks wanting to integrate with GOA. I'm not sure what more is required? Documenting it in the API docs or on the GOA wiki would have probably

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hello! On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 22:03:01 +0100 (CET), Adrien Plazas via desktop-devel-list wrote: > Le jeu. 24 janv. 2019 à 19:32, mcatanz...@gnome.org a écrit : > > > It's been a while, but IIRC I wanted a reading list mode to not be > > totally dependent on Pocket. We could sync it to Pocket

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

This is a tangent of a tangent, but: On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 9:29 AM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: Thank you for your reply. Ubuntu includes GNOME To Do by default in 18.04 LTS and still does. I guess we need to discuss whether it should be removed by default, but we try to limit the adding and

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 00:00 Debarshi Ray, wrote: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 09:26:05PM -0800, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:04 PM Debarshi Ray wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 11:24:00AM -0800, philip.chime...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > 2. It's not

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:47 AM Georges Basile Stavracas Neto wrote: > * It was never my intention to make GNOME To Do a core app, and I was >glad to see it being dropped from the core set. For various reasons, >both technical- and design-wise, I believe To Do wasn't a good fit. Thank

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 8:28 AM Debarshi Ray wrote: > The Todoist provider was always disabled by default. So unless a > distributor enabled it by default, I don't see how that can happen. That's an important point that I didn't notice before. Fedora and SUSE kept it disabled; Arch, Debian and

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hi, On 21/01/19 19:32, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > We have a rule though: the account types exposed in > gnome-online-accounts must be used by at least one core application. > It's a good rule because it doesn't make sense to have settings in > control-center for apps that aren't installed by

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Since GNOME To Do is being constantly cited in this thread, I'd like to officially clarify a few things: * It was never my intention to make GNOME To Do a core app, and I was glad to see it being dropped from the core set. For various reasons, both technical- and design-wise, I believe To

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 05:14:39AM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > This feels like an awfully aggressive way of asking for a reply in a > heated thread that's already getting close to 100 emails. I don't know > if replying will help but since you seem to want a reply so badly and > because I do want

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:33:09PM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > Bug trackers are an awful metric, with a clear and demonstrable bias. For an application that regularly released in an utterly broken state, a bug tracker is a decent indication. > Nevertheless, as I said: I don't *care* about

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 11:40, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 12:13:26PM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > > Again, not a huge deal; sure, Documents is actually useful to navigate > > through the Google Drive contents???the Drive web UX has become > shockingly > > bad over the years,

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 12:13:26PM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > Again, not a huge deal; sure, Documents is actually useful to navigate > through the Google Drive contents???the Drive web UX has become shockingly > bad over the years, unsurprisingly since its a fate that befalls every > Google

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 1:26 AM Debarshi Ray wrote: > You already attempted to slander me once before in this thread: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-January/msg00027.html > > It's been one week since I produced evidence against that: >

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 09:26:05PM -0800, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:04 PM Debarshi Ray wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 11:24:00AM -0800, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote: > > > 2. It's not possible to discontinue support for services X, Y, and Z from > > >

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hey Michael, On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 08:29:32PM -0500, Michael Terry wrote: > I meant (1) keeping GNOME's API key valid, (2) maintaining > libgdata, (3) maintaining the GVFS google backend (which only > supports using GOA keys -- an app can't give it its own keys), > and (4) maintaining the GOA

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Folks, I don't have anything technical to add to this discussion, so as someone just following along with the thread I think we should take our emotions down a couple notches. Calling each other out, playing the blame game, and dredging up stuff from the past is not going to help us come up with

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 01:29:54PM +, Matthew Paul Thomas via desktop-devel-list wrote: > * For some reason that isn???t clear to me, GOA cares what you use each > account for, rather than merely recording which apps the user has > granted access to each account. Because that's how

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Jeremy, You already attempted to slander me once before in this thread: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-January/msg00027.html It's been one week since I produced evidence against that: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-January/msg00035.html You had

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:04 PM Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 11:24:00AM -0800, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote: > > 2. It's not possible to discontinue support for services X, Y, and Z from > > GOA, and yank the rug out from under apps that expected (even if that > > expectation

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 6:32 PM, Nathan Graule via desktop-devel-list wrote: Given what I've read about the Google policy (and I don't know how much of that was added with the Jan. 15 revision), but it seems like the very concept of GOA as a centralized account repository goes against Google

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 7:29 PM, Michael Terry wrote: You say deja-dup has nothing to worry about. But I very much have to solve the problem of many of my users losing access to their backups (through my app at least) in three weeks. Will not inspire confidence. Again, my fault I guess for

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 8:29 PM Michael Terry wrote: > (I assume you meant that deja-dup doesn't have much to worry about in the > main context of this thread about Documents support etc being dropped from > GNOME. And you're correct there. But Michael's comment about GNOME losing > it's

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, at 16:16, Debarshi Ray wrote: > "maintain GNOME's Google support" is bit misleading here. I'll try to > explain. > > "GNOME's Google support" is libgdata and the GNOME API key. Using > libgdata is independent of using GOA, and that's where the > overwhelming bulk of effort

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Given what I've read about the Google policy (and I don't know how much of that was added with the Jan. 15 revision), but it seems like the very concept of GOA as a centralized account repository goes against Google rules. Google wants to know by whom the OAuth key will be used, and how. Under

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 2:24 PM Philip Chimento via desktop-devel-list wrote: > PS. Yes, count me among the completely surprised that GOA is not an API that > apps should use. It was not communicated anywhere close to the level it > needed to be. That's on GNOME, not on those app developers.

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 11:37:31AM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 09:24, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:00:58AM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > I don't think that feature requests should be treated on the same level > > > as existing, merged,

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 02:48:12PM -0500, Michael Terry wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, at 21:39, Michael Gratton wrote: > > If GOA Mail is going to be removed from Fedora can there at least be a > > method to programatically determine what is supported and what isn't, > > so Geary can avoid

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

TL;DR: I don't think Deja Dup has anything to worry about. I was pleasantly surprised to know that Deja Dup even uses GOA. Having backups integrated more closely in the OS seems like a good thing to me. I'd encourage you to bring up the story of backups with the GNOME Design Team. On Sun, Jan

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 11:24:00AM -0800, philip.chime...@gmail.com wrote: > 2. It's not possible to discontinue support for services X, Y, and Z from > GOA, and yank the rug out from under apps that expected (even if that > expectation was wrong) it to be part of a stable platform. You mean like

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, at 21:39, Michael Gratton wrote: > If GOA Mail is going to be removed from Fedora can there at least be a > method to programatically determine what is supported and what isn't, > so Geary can avoid launching the control center when people want to add > an account on

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 4:13 AM Emmanuele Bassi via desktop-devel-list < desktop-devel-list@gnome.org> wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 10:27, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > GNOME has various core applications that depend on the same mechanism. We > actually made a point of integrating with remote

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, at 11:14, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > Err... well this seems like as good a time as any to mention it: Philip > and I both noticed emails from Google warning that they'll shut us down > unless we do a huge amount of work in a very short amount of time. > Neither of us

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 4:27 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: It so happens that we have half a dozen notifications from Facebook and Google about our uses of their APIs at varying degrees of seriousness. They are still on my todo list. Thankfully, Philip Withnall and Michael Catanzaro are on top of

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 10:27, Debarshi Ray wrote: > The tl;dr here is that a lot of people care about political arguments > but nobody shows up to bear the burden of dealing with the code. > "Political" in the sense that you're not maintaining a leaf node in the dependency graph, that can come

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 09:24, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:00:58AM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > I don't think that feature requests should be treated on the same level > > as existing, merged, features > > I can't change my theme, I can't change my fonts, no minimize

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 02:03:18PM +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > It's true that GNOME Documents was conceived as a way to seamlessly > access all files local and remote. In that sense, the Online Accounts > integration is crucial for it. > > However, it has turned out to be more complicated than

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 10:56:49AM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > You dropped maintainership of gnome-documents, we're now dropping it > from core GNOME, and by removing the Documents integration from GOA, > you're crippling the application, whoever the new maintainer ends up > being. No, wrong.

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hey Emmanuele, (I am summarizing a few other sub-threads here.) On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:45:50PM +, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 18:36, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > What isn't possible is to mix and match API keys with account types at > > run-time. That doesn't seem trivial

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 11:00:58AM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > I don't think that feature requests should be treated on the same level > as existing, merged, features I can't change my theme, I can't change my fonts, no minimize button, no wallpaper options, my laptop insists on suspending ...

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 01:38:57PM +1100, Michael Gratton wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan, 2019 at 5:52 AM, Debarshi Ray > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 04:03:41PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > >> On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 14:33 +, Allan Day wrote: > That's not > >> what's happening here. Until

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hi Matthew, [replying selectively!] Matthew Paul Thomas via desktop-devel-list wrote: ... > ... gnome-initial-setup is pretty > much the worst possible time to expect someone to know which accounts, > if any, are useful to configure. At that point, someone is unlikely to > know even what apps

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Le jeu. 24 janv. 2019 à 14:29, Matthew Paul Thomas via desktop-devel-list a écrit : None of that is to say that GOA shouldn’t exist. It has the potential to save people time. “I set up an account in App A. Now it will be quicker to use the same account in App B.” Anything more than that is

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Le jeu. 24 janv. 2019 à 19:32, mcatanz...@gnome.org a écrit : > It's been a while, but IIRC I wanted a reading list mode to not be > totally dependent on Pocket. We could sync it to Pocket though, since > that fits in nicely with our existing Firefox Sync support, but there > should be local

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Le jeu. 24 janv. 2019 à 19:32, mcatanz...@gnome.org a écrit : It's been a while, but IIRC I wanted a reading list mode to not be totally dependent on Pocket. We could sync it to Pocket though, since that fits in nicely with our existing Firefox Sync support, but there should be local storage

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 4:00 AM, Allan Day wrote: I'd personally like us to keep the path open for you and provide some guarantees about Geary being able to use Online Accounts in the future. I wonder if this should be part of a wider conversation about Geary becoming GNOME Mail? :) Seems

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

(Hopping on to desktop-devel@ to follow up to this) Jeremy Bicha wrote on 23/01/2019 8:21 pm: >… > A few months ago, I talked with mpt about GNOME Online Accounts being > added to Ubuntu's version of gnome-initial-setup. I believe his > opinion was that the app itself should offer the "add a new

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Bastien Nocera wrote: ... > It's not Documents. It's Documents, and Pocket, and email integration, > which brings about the viability of applications ever integrating with > gnome-online-accounts, lest they be crippled. In my mind, Documents, Pocket and email are all fairly different (speaking

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Michael Gratton wrote: ... > > I don't understand the need to remove those when they are still used > > (albeit not as much as it could be), when they don't seem to cause > > maintenance problems (compared to, say, Kerberos...). [1]: > > > > Well

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 20:10 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:02:16PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 18:52 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > > Grep for "Future of Pocket in GNOME" from 24th August 2018 in > > > your > > > inbox. > > > > Which solves

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 19:47 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 05:39:44PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > As Emmanuele mentioned, the problem isn't so much that services > > will > > disappear from under the applications (but it's a problem > > nonetheless), > > it's that there

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Jeremy Bicha wrote: ... > A few months ago, I talked with mpt about GNOME Online Accounts being > added to Ubuntu's version of gnome-initial-setup. I believe his > opinion was that the app itself should offer the "add a new account" > feature instead of the Initial Setup or Settings apps. ... I

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 11:54 -0600, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > Thing is, we don't have any email apps in core. It just doesn't make > sense to have email settings in gnome-online-accounts when none of > the core apps (the apps installed by default) actually use those > settings. It's just going

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, 24 Jan, 2019 at 5:52 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 04:03:41PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 14:33 +, Allan Day wrote: > That's not what's happening here. Until very recently, Debarshi was > the Documents maintainer, and he's obviously been

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 23 Jan, 2019 at 9:26 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: The Pocket provider (used by FeedReader, and GNOME Videos) was also disabled from Fedora, and is apparently targeted to be removed. And the "Mail" category is also targeted to be removed in Fedora[1], already setup mail accounts be

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 2:47 PM Debarshi Ray wrote: > It's not like this is the first time we have dropped things from GNOME > Online Accounts. Back in 2017 [1] we had dropped Telepathy. I had > written a wall of text explaining that decision. Guess how many > replies that thread got. Surely,

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:02:16PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 18:52 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > Grep for "Future of Pocket in GNOME" from 24th August 2018 in your > > inbox. > > Which solves what? You're removing the Documents and Mail categories, > you're removing

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 05:39:44PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > As Emmanuele mentioned, the problem isn't so much that services will > disappear from under the applications (but it's a problem nonetheless), > it's that there was no communication explaining that applications > shouldn't have

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 11:54 -0600, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Bastien Nocera > wrote: > > It is what is happening in GNOME Online Accounts in general. Pocket > > is > > disabled in Fedora 29, and there's a good chance that the mail > > configuration bits will

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 18:52 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 04:03:41PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 14:33 +, Allan Day wrote: > > > That's not what's happening here. Until very recently, Debarshi > > > was > > > the Documents maintainer, and he's

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 04:03:41PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 14:33 +, Allan Day wrote: > > That's not what's happening here. Until very recently, Debarshi was > > the Documents maintainer, and he's obviously been fully involved. > > It is what is happening in GNOME

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 18:36, Debarshi Ray wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 02:49:55PM +, Emmanuele Bassi via > desktop-devel-list wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 14:21, Allan Day wrote: > > > If apps could provide their own keys that would certainly change the > > > picture (I didn't

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 02:49:55PM +, Emmanuele Bassi via desktop-devel-list wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 14:21, Allan Day wrote: > > If apps could provide their own keys that would certainly change the > > picture (I didn't actually know it was a possibility.) It would also > > change

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Maybe not in core, but Geary will soon support IMAP/SMTP from GOA. For that work to be undone in the next release because of a technicality would be a shame. Regards, Chris On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 12:54 PM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: It

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 17:55, wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Bastien Nocera > wrote: > > It is what is happening in GNOME Online Accounts in general. Pocket is > > disabled in Fedora 29, and there's a good chance that the mail > > configuration bits will be disabled in Fedora 30. > >

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 9:03 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: It is what is happening in GNOME Online Accounts in general. Pocket is disabled in Fedora 29, and there's a good chance that the mail configuration bits will be disabled in Fedora 30. I don't know whether those changes will also be done

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 16:41, Allan Day wrote: > Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > ... > >> > This is because we never specified a way to get third party keys > stored inside GOA as part of a process to get third party modules to it. > >> > >> If apps could provide their own keys that would certainly

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Emmanuele Bassi wrote: ... >> > This is because we never specified a way to get third party keys stored >> > inside GOA as part of a process to get third party modules to it. >> >> If apps could provide their own keys that would certainly change the >> picture (I didn't actually know it was a

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On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 10:27 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:03 AM Bastien Nocera > wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 14:33 +, Allan Day wrote: > > > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > > Flip it on its head and please suggest why, nowadays, any > > > >

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:03 AM Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 14:33 +, Allan Day wrote: > > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > Flip it on its head and please suggest why, nowadays, any > > > application > > > developer, whether for a GNOME application or a third-party, would

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On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 14:33 +, Allan Day wrote: > Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > Flip it on its head and please suggest why, nowadays, any > > application > > developer, whether for a GNOME application or a third-party, would > > spend time integrating services into gnome-online-accounts, or >

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 14:21, Allan Day wrote: > [Responding selectively, this thread is getting long.] > > Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > ... > >> The main factor has always been about how we handle identity. If we > >> give online accounts access to 3rd party apps, we're giving them > >> access to

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 9:34 AM Allan Day wrote: > It's important that we have the ability to correct problems when they > do happen. To me that implies that only our software should use our > keys. You could also encourage distros to use their own keys. Thanks, Jeremy Bicha

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Bastien Nocera wrote: ... > GNOME apps are not, and were never the only consumers of the gnome- > online-accounts capabilities, There's been a rather big grey area around Online Accounts. The UX was always designed as a system service, for use by the core apps, but we never enforced this, partly

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[Responding selectively, this thread is getting long.] Emmanuele Bassi wrote: ... >> The main factor has always been about how we handle identity. If we >> give online accounts access to 3rd party apps, we're giving them >> access to the GNOME keys. They appear as "GNOME" to online providers >>

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On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 12:25 +, Allan Day wrote: > Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > ... > > > This approach isn't new, and you can read more detail here: > > > https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeOnlineAccounts/Goals > > > > > > > I know the rationale. I never particularly agreed with it, because >

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 12:26, Allan Day wrote: > Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > ... > >> This approach isn't new, and you can read more detail here: > >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeOnlineAccounts/Goals > >> > > > > I know the rationale. I never particularly agreed with it, because it > felt

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Emmanuele Bassi wrote: ... >> This approach isn't new, and you can read more detail here: >> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeOnlineAccounts/Goals >> > > I know the rationale. I never particularly agreed with it, because it felt > like an ex post rationalisation about not having third party

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On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 10:48 +, Allan Day wrote: > Bastien Nocera wrote: > ... > > Removing GNOME Documents from the release is fine. The problem is > > that > > as it is removed from the release, it's an excuse for GNOME Online > > Accounts to remove the "Documents" category. > > My

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Bastien Nocera wrote: ... > Removing GNOME Documents from the release is fine. The problem is that > as it is removed from the release, it's an excuse for GNOME Online > Accounts to remove the "Documents" category. My perspective: it's not great for our users if we have a Documents switch in the

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On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 10:39 +, Allan Day wrote: > Emmanuele Bassi via desktop-devel-list > wrote: > ... > > > We have a rule though: the account types exposed in > > > gnome-online-accounts must be used by at least one core > > > application. > > > It's a good rule because it doesn't make

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Emmanuele Bassi via desktop-devel-list wrote: ... >> We have a rule though: the account types exposed in >> gnome-online-accounts must be used by at least one core application. >> It's a good rule because it doesn't make sense to have settings in >> control-center for apps that aren't installed

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Wed, 2019-01-23 at 10:17 +, Emmanuele Bassi via desktop-devel- list wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 16:32, wrote: > > > We have a rule though: the account types exposed in > > gnome-online-accounts must be used by at least one core > > application. > > It's a good rule because it

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 16:32, wrote: > We have a rule though: the account types exposed in > gnome-online-accounts must be used by at least one core application. > It's a good rule because it doesn't make sense to have settings in > control-center for apps that aren't installed by default. So

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, 2019-01-21 at 10:32 -0600, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:14 AM, Christopher Davis via > desktop-devel-list wrote: > > Hi Rishi, > > > > Cloud documents is an important part of where I want to move > > forward > > with the application, > > so Online Accounts

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

A large part of why it was removed as it being effectively non-functional. With 3.30.1 that's been fixed, and Documents can be used as it was previously intended to. So, I would vote that we keep it in core for now, and then refine it during the 3.34 cycle. Chris On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 11:32

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:14 AM, Christopher Davis via desktop-devel-list wrote: Hi Rishi, Cloud documents is an important part of where I want to move forward with the application, so Online Accounts integration would still be critical. A file previewer is definitely a priority, and an

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Christopher Davis wrote: ... > As the new maintaner I would be against making Documents a Google Drive > client, or at least > a Drive-specific one. I was just raising further Google Drive integration as one possible direction to explore - I'm not specifically pushing for it. (My recollection

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hey Allan, As the new maintaner I would be against making Documents a Google Drive client, or at least a Drive-specific one. It would need to have as much support for free providers like Owncloud or Nextcloud. Chris On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:31 AM, Allan Day wrote: Bastien Nocera wrote:

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hi Rishi, Cloud documents is an important part of where I want to move forward with the application, so Online Accounts integration would still be critical. A file previewer is definitely a priority, and an editor could be considered. Regards, Chris On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 9:03 AM,

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Mon, 2019-01-21 at 14:03 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > Hey, > > I hadn't expected this to garner so much interest! > > Instead of replying to each message separately, I'll try to summarize > a few things into this message. > > First of all, this thread doesn't have anything to do with GNOME >

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Bastien Nocera wrote: ... > > We are currently in the 3.31.x / 3.32 development cycle. Once the > > GNOME 3.32 release is done, starting from 3.33.1, I will be removing > > the GNOME Documents specific integration points from GNOME Online > > Accounts because we no longer encourage distributors

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

Hey, I hadn't expected this to garner so much interest! Instead of replying to each message separately, I'll try to summarize a few things into this message. First of all, this thread doesn't have anything to do with GNOME Books. It's a separate application and doesn't have any Online Accounts

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:38:50AM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Similarly, Todoist support was dropped from GOA 3.32. > > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-online-accounts/commit/bf77325d8 > > The commit message has a few mistakes: the Recipes app does not yet > have its own Todoist support.

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:25 AM Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Thu, 2019-01-17 at 15:17 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > It's been a month since GNOME Documents was removed from the set of > > core utilities by the release team. See: > >

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

On Thu, 2019-01-17 at 15:17 +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > Hello everybody, > > It's been a month since GNOME Documents was removed from the set of > core utilities by the release team. See: > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/merge_requests/157 > > We are currently in the 3.31.x /

Re: GNOME Online Accounts 3.34 won't have documents support

As asked on the fedora issue, will this mean that cloud documents will no longer be available within the app? Regards, Chris On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: Hello everybody, It's been a month since GNOME Documents was removed from the set of core utilities by the