Re: Bad news regarding future Java use?

2018-04-20 Thread Phillip Rhodes
I read that as only referring to the Java 8 SE binaries specifically. If I'm reading this right, users using a Java 9 or Java 10 SDK will still be fine. That just means we have an onus on us to make sure things work with the latest versions of the SDK. Phil This message optimized for indexing b

Re: Request re-instatement as an APache OpenOffice committer

2018-01-22 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Kay's back!! Yay! That makes me very happy. :-) Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote: > >> Hello Kay, >> >> I am sorry for the delay. The PMC has accepted your request

Re: [CLOSED] Was: Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC4 as GA

2017-10-04 Thread Phillip Rhodes
+1 I just want to say, this makes me very happy. I regret that I haven't had enough free time to make any real contribution myself, but massive props to everybody who made this happen! AOO lives on! :-) I still have some ideas for Calc I want to work on, so maybe I'll finally be able to carve

Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

2017-09-19 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Unless there's some compelling technical reason for keep SVN, of which I am unaware, I am +1 on switching to Git. If nothing else, from an "optics" perspective it keeps potential new contributors from looking at the project and thinking "SVN? WTF? Why is this project using obsolete tech like that?

Re: New Build error Package Orbit is missing

2017-01-04 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Yep, I ran into that as well. In my case, just doing a quick "sudo dnf -y install Orbit2 Orbit2-devel" took care of that. Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Marcus wrote: > Am 01/04/2017 01:37 PM, schrieb Peter Kovacs: >> >> Hello all, >> >>

Re: Error: -- Include file apr_version.mk, not found

2017-01-03 Thread Phillip Rhodes
now, that does not use those switches, and - if I'm understanding correctly - will build APR as part of the AOO build. Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > OK, cool. I'll give it a try later this eve

Re: Error: -- Include file apr_version.mk, not found

2017-01-03 Thread Phillip Rhodes
ebuild should fix your problem. Damjan On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:30 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > Still trying to get AOO to build on Fedora 24 and this is what > I'm getting now. Anybody have any thoughts on this one? > > > > Entering /home/prhodes/development/projects/

Error: -- Include file apr_version.mk, not found

2017-01-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Still trying to get AOO to build on Fedora 24 and this is what I'm getting now. Anybody have any thoughts on this one? Entering /home/prhodes/development/projects/upstream_oss/apache/openoffice/main/ucb/source/ucp/hierarchy Entering /home/prhodes/development/projects/upstream_oss/apache/openo

Anybody else having trouble updating from SVN?

2016-12-31 Thread Phillip Rhodes
This just keeps getting better... I can't even do an svn up now. Abranches/ia2/main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_s390x Abranches/ia2/main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_s390x/makefile.mk Abranches/ia2/main/bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_s390x/share.hxx Abranches/ia2/mai

Ambari build error

2016-12-31 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Ambari crew: I'm trying to build Ambari on Fedora 24, and am running into the following error. Hoping someone can help shed some light on what's going on. [INFO] [INFO] BUILD FAILURE [INFO] ---

Another AOO build error - packcomponents

2016-12-31 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Hey gang, my build is making it further now, but still fails with this bit of weirdness. Any ideas on this? [prhodes@whiskey instsetoo_native]$ build --all:postprocess build -- version: 1775979 = Building module postprocess = Entering /home/prhodes/development/projec

Re: Problem building AOO on Fedora 24

2016-12-30 Thread Phillip Rhodes
g the svn checkout. Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Marcus wrote: > Am 12/30/2016 05:06 AM, schrieb Phillip Rhodes: >> >> Never mind, I found the issue. I had to install package >> 'gdk-pixbuf2-xlib-devel.x86_64

Re: Missing files running bootstrap

2016-12-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes
will be good. Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > OK, I have a different error now. After running the configure script > and sourcing the environment variables script, I try running ./bootstrap > in the '

Re: Missing files running bootstrap

2016-12-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > Hmm... for gtest, it looks like the issue is that the Google Code repo > now just redirects to GitHub so the old URL is no longer valid. Is > the file that we were pulling down a src bundle? If so, it looks like > we could pro

Missing files running bootstrap

2016-12-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes
OK, I have a different error now. After running the configure script and sourcing the environment variables script, I try running ./bootstrap in the 'main' directory. I get this: ignoring CoinMP-1.7.6.tgz because its prerequisites are not fulfilled ignoring crosextrafonts-carlito-20130920.tar.gz

Re: Missing files running bootstrap

2016-12-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes
/release-1.7.0.zip Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > OK, I have a different error now. After running the configure script > and sourcing the environment variables script, I try running ./bootstrap > in

Re: Problem building AOO on Fedora 24

2016-12-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Jovanovic wrote: > Hi > > Please attach your config.log. > > Damjan > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Phillip Rhodes > wrote: > >> Gang: >> >> I'm trying to build on a Fedora 24 box and am running into an error I >> haven't been

Problem building AOO on Fedora 24

2016-12-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Gang: I'm trying to build on a Fedora 24 box and am running into an error I haven't been able to resolve. Any help is much appreciated. When doing the ./configure step, I get this: checking which VCLplugs shall be built... gtk checking whether to enable GConf support... yes checking for GCONF..

Re: 4.1.4 Release Manager?

2016-09-15 Thread Phillip Rhodes
I like this idea... 4.1.3 and 4.1.4 in the near-term, and then 4.2.0 in early 2017. Feels like a good rhythm to aim for. Phil On Sep 15, 2016 15:14, "Marcus" wrote: > Am 09/15/2016 05:44 PM, schrieb Pedro Giffuni: > >> I am rather amazed by the idea of 4.1.4, shouldn't we release >> 4.2.0 inst

Re: [VOTE] Recommend Marcus Lange (marcus) as the New Vice President for Apache OpenOffice

2016-09-15 Thread Phillip Rhodes
> > > [X] +1 Approve > [ ] 0 Abstain > [ ] -1 Disapprove, with explanation > Phil

Re: Differentiate or Die

2016-09-09 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Sure, I don't claim it's a perfect analogy between "their" world and the world of F/OSS. But I think the broad point generalizes well enough to apply to us: Have *some* differentiating factor that defines why a group of people would find your product more desirable than the other options. If, for

Re: Release process and 4.1.3

2016-09-08 Thread Phillip Rhodes
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > We also need something far, far more agile for getting simple bug fix > releases out quickly and easily. I propose using 4.1.3 as a test case for a > stripped down process. > +1 Phil ~~ This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM

Differentiate or Die

2016-09-08 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Marketing gurus Jack Trout and Steve Rivkin wrote a book titled "Differentiate or Die". It's a classic in the marketing field and its message has broad applicability. I think it's applicable, and somewhat important, to us. The basic idea is that you have to have something... some "thing" that mak

Another LWN article

2016-09-08 Thread Phillip Rhodes
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/699755/533f89639e8b53f0/ and the associated HN discussion, although I'm the only commenter there as I type this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12456071 Phil ~~~ This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM

Re: [PROPOSAL] Consolidating all the build guides

2016-09-07 Thread Phillip Rhodes
+1 This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Marcus wrote: > >> As I have now some experience on building OpenOffice, I've also seen >> that there are alot of wikipages that describe to some degree of detail >> how to build. >> >

Re: Release manager for 4.1.3

2016-09-07 Thread Phillip Rhodes
That's great news. Thank you so much! Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > I am volunteering to serve as release manager for 4.1.3. I may go on to be > RM for 4.2, but we can see about that later. > > My objective i

Re: The AOO build system

2016-09-06 Thread Phillip Rhodes
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Phillip Rhodes wrote: > >> >> 1. What is the main problem with the build system as it is? >> > > It's ugly. I recall you once built OpenOffice, right? It is not the easy > configure + make. Still

Re: Starting Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Welcome to the project, Ed. Don't sweat the lack of C++ experience. Not everything is in C++, and you can pick up the C++ knowledge as you go. I'm in a little bit of the same boat, as I *was* a C++ programmer - about 15 years ago. It's been quite a while for me, so I'm going to have to basical

Re: The AOO build system

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
ssage optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Marcus wrote: > Am 09/02/2016 09:24 PM, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Phillip Rhodes >> wrote: >> >> 6. Do we still build for OS/2? :-) (Sorry, I'm sentimental old

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Marcus wrote: > > >> The bad things are: > - we need a release manager for a 4.2.0 or 4.1.3 version. > - we need hardware to get builds for Wndows, Linux and Mac. > - we need a possibility to build on Mac (buildbot or an individual > machine) > - we need people wh

The AOO build system

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Forgive my level of ignorance here, but I haven't been a very active participant to this point, so there's a lot I don't know. In a lot of the discussion around this whole "retirement" thing (both on the mailing list and on forums like LWN, etc.) I see a lot of talk about the problems with the AOO

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
> If you excuse the comment from an outsider, I suggest the question you > need to answer is: What can Apache OpenOffice offer that related > projects like LibreOffice cannot? > That's a good question. The one obvious thing, which matters to some people, but not others, is "be licensed under the

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
wned one Apple desktop, > the Apple II I bought in 1980. I took a dislike to Macs the first time I > tried one. > > > On 9/2/2016 10:32 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > >> No doubt. My problem on this is that I hate Apple, Macintosh, and >> everything to do with their pro

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
nd. Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > > > On 9/2/2016 10:21 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: >> >> Looking at it the other way

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > Looking at it the other way round, for under $500 I could have a Mac Mini > with 500 GB hard disk and Mac OS Yosemite delivered on Sunday. That is less > than 10 months of macincloud. Is such a machine sufficiently powerful for buildin

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
take less of my time and energy to buy one of the > more powerful Macs and manage it directly. > > > > > On 9/2/2016 9:53 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > >> Sadly, I don't own a Mac. I use one at work, but all of my personal >> hardware >> is PC bas

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
y NSA PRISM On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:20 PM, toki wrote: > On 02/09/2016 14:59, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > > > What is the most important thing/things we could be working on? > > On your own hardware: > > Repeat: >Build a Mac OS X Binary; >Fix the error messages y

Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
e download page. > > We need people to step up. The folks we have are already spinning more > plates than they have arms and legs. > > - Dennis > > > -Original Message- > > From: Phillip Rhodes [mailto:motley.crue@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, Septembe

What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

2016-09-02 Thread Phillip Rhodes
OK, counter-point to the other thread... let's talk specifically about what needs to happen next, given that some (plenty|most|all|???) of us want this project to continue moving forward. What has to happen next? What is the most important thing/things we could be working on? What could I do *ri

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-01 Thread Phillip Rhodes
> > > What alternative do you see? > > > There's no particular reason that I can see, that AOO shouldn't be able to produce secure software, issue releases and do all of those other things. We've done it in the past (and yeah, I feel guilty about saying "we" since I haven't been very active. Mea c

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-01 Thread Phillip Rhodes
> (3) I think that working towards being able to release rather than patch > as Patricia has suggested is our best way to solve the security issue. The > quick patch is not much faster and has been proven to be more of a > challenge then kick starting the broken build process. > Forgive me for be

Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

2016-09-01 Thread Phillip Rhodes
Wow, just wow. I have to say, I think even broaching this topic is a mistake. "Self-fulfilling prophecy"? Not even that, it'll be a "3rd party fulfilling prophecy" as soon as this hits the press. There are a lot of people out there who seem to have it in for AOO and have for a while... now you *

Re: Merge with LibreOffice?

2016-08-03 Thread Phillip Rhodes
This isn't a competition to be "won" or "lost". AOO and LO aren't really competing. AOO is for people who want an awesome office suite that's licensed under a permissive license. LO is for people who want the same under a copyleft license. Two different audiences, two different projects. Perso

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-17 Thread Phillip Rhodes
message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > David, this has nothing to do with marketing, and I honestly feel like you > are the one acting in bad faith here. This is about Wikipedia being > accurate, and the simple truth is, on a

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-17 Thread Phillip Rhodes
David, this has nothing to do with marketing, and I honestly feel like you are the one acting in bad faith here. This is about Wikipedia being accurate, and the simple truth is, on a question like "what's the status of AOO" none of your "sources" are more accurate than a primary source like the in

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-15 Thread Phillip Rhodes
ant" to describe AOO? "Dying" suggests > the project is in decline and will only continue to decline. Does anyone > here think "dying" is more accurate than, say, "Stalled"? > > Don > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Phillip Rhodes > > wr

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-15 Thread Phillip Rhodes
> this week too...someone changed it to "moribund". > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Phillip Rhodes > > wrote: > > > Sorry, I missed the infobox when I looked at the page. You're right, > > having "Dormant" there is flat out wrong and ver

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-11 Thread Phillip Rhodes
t; start looking for different office software. > > Max > > > > Am 03.09.2015 um 23:12 schrieb Phillip Rhodes: > >> I just looked at the Wikipedia page and don't see anything that's - >> strictly speaking - incorrect, or lacking citations. IOW, I don't

Re: Wrongful information on the Wikipedia

2015-09-03 Thread Phillip Rhodes
I just looked at the Wikipedia page and don't see anything that's - strictly speaking - incorrect, or lacking citations. IOW, I don't see any supportable rationale for removing anything that's there, although one could question the motives of whoever made it a point to call out some concerns about

Re: build error

2015-08-29 Thread Phillip Rhodes
FWIW, that patch did indeed fix the build error I was seeing, so I endorse the idea of going ahead and merging that. Phil This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 20/08/2015 Phillip Rhodes wrote: > >> I ran i

Re: [REPORT] PMC 2015-07 Private-List Activity through July

2015-08-28 Thread Phillip Rhodes
So what, if anything, should we take away from this? My (completely superficial, naive and uninformed) feeling is that that is a LOT of traffic on the "private" list. But maybe not. Anyway, is the idea here that there should be less traffic on that list? More? The same? I have to admit, I've be

Re: build error

2015-08-19 Thread Phillip Rhodes
at 9:51 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote: > AOO crew: > > I'm trying to build the latest sources on Linux and am seeing this > error. Any thoughts or suggestions on how to resolve this are > much appreciated. > > > patch ../../unxlngx6.pro/bin/odkcommon/docs/java/ref/index

build error

2015-08-19 Thread Phillip Rhodes
n(s): ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /home/prhodes/development/clones_not_mirrors_upstream_oss/openoffice/main/odk/pack/gendocu When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by running: build --all:odk Thanks, Phillip Rhodes ~~~ This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM

Re: [VOTE] Dennis Hamilton as new AOO Chair.

2015-08-18 Thread Phillip Rhodes
[X] +1, Dennis Hamilton as new Chair This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: > [X] +1, Dennis Hamilton as new Chair > > > > On 8/15/2015 11:57 PM, jan i wrote: > > This is a call for a formal vote among the 1 candidate for the AOO

Re: What I miss a bit at the project

2013-03-20 Thread Phillip Rhodes
gt; one can use chat in a sidebar. > > I am not objecting to IRC. But it is not a panacea. > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Phillip Rhodes [mailto:motley.crue@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 08:19 > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Su

Re: What I miss a bit at the project

2013-03-20 Thread Phillip Rhodes
with the Apache Way. Phil On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Phillip Rhodes > wrote: >> IRC is great and all, and I'm all for having as many channels as >> people feel a need for. Just keep in mind that the ASF approach

Re: What I miss a bit at the project

2013-03-20 Thread Phillip Rhodes
IRC is great and all, and I'm all for having as many channels as people feel a need for. Just keep in mind that the ASF approach to projects is to ensure that decision making is done in public and very openly. I think the implication of that is that most discussion that leads directly to a decis