Re: AW: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Wade Chandler
I agree with this sentiment. I have logic that allows one to run or debug a single Groovy test that has been in the main NB code since before NB 8.2 was released, and yet I can't get my value and time spent out of that work yet. Obviously the move has some to do with the wait right now, but I

Re: AW: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Jiří Kovalský
Dne 23.2.2018 v 21:24 Валера Солдатов napsal(a): I mean, I hate to be the scrooge that's focusing on stability instead of new features, but when the core functionality (editor, compiler, debugger) contain annoying bugs then I don't feel there is much else to talk about. Let's nail this down

Re: AW: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Валера Солдатов
24.02.2018 0:39, Jiří Kovalský пишет: Dne 23.2.2018 v 21:24 Валера Солдатов napsal(a): I mean, I hate to be the scrooge that's focusing on stability instead of new features, but when the core functionality (editor, compiler, debugger) contain annoying bugs then I don't feel there is much

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Neil C Smith
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 16:54 Wade Chandler wrote: > You can see the history and all here without signing up: > > https://netbeans.slackarchive.io Thanks! Hadn't realised that was there - in which case that might actually be a better link off from the website

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Jiří Kovalský
Exactly. Thanks Honzo for your explanation on my behalf. -Jirka Dne 23.2.2018 v 13:23 Jan Lahoda napsal(a): Hi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:10 PM, constantin drabo wrote: Hello Jiri , I would like to know why the test would not be done with JDK 9. May be a mistake

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread cowwoc
Is it possible to preview a live version of this website? Gili On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote: If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into master in, say, 72 hours or so. After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is indeed missing.

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
https://netbeans.vieiro.net, as stated by Antonio at the start of this thread. Gj On Friday, February 23, 2018, cowwoc wrote: > Is it possible to preview a live version of this website? > > Gili > > On 2018-02-23 10:06 AM, Antonio Vieiro wrote: > >> If nobody argues

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread cowwoc
While we're on the topic, it would be nice if the IDE supported the latest version of Maven. Right now we're stuck using version 3.3.9. Newer versions prevent the use of the profiler. Gili On 2018-02-23 2:51 AM, Jan Lahoda wrote: On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:06 PM, Sven Reimers

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio wrote: > ...we thought we could start a simpler > "netbeans.apache.org" website that uses the same Wade's scripts. We then > could add content gradually, as Oracle passes the IP clearance procedures... Sounds great - "release

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Sven Reimers
Hi, this may already heading to be off topic, but if you run on JDK 10, you will see a Java Source Level selection entry in the combox in the project properties telling you to use Java 10.0 (which does not work since the correct source level is 10). So I think we should try to get at least basic

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio Vieiro
AFAIK Oracle has few resources doing IP clearance, so we can't really set the timelines. But maybe we can help them chunking the current website in smaller, more easy to process parts. I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Wade Chandler
On Feb 23, 2018 11:16, "Neil C Smith" wrote: That has been there for a while. I'd much prefer Gitter if we're going to have one (and not sure if it's a good idea or not) because it's visible without signing up. You can see the history and all here without signing up:

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Neil C Smith
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:02 Antonio Vieiro wrote: > Thanks, for the links, I'll send a PR against > incubator-netbeans-website (multisite-test) branch later on with some > updates. > One minor thing I noticed after I put in my PR, if you're happy doing it, is the Downloads

RE: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Eric Barboni
Hi Jan, I try to make it concrete to me (as I am not sure to understand completely the workflow). We may add a folder to nbbuild/buildnatives that contains all the make c stuff to compile and release (linked to the source we need for example in o.n.bootstrap and ide/native) Phase 1

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Neil C Smith
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 16:11 cowwoc wrote: > I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but clicking "See this page in > github" on the landing page results in a HTTP 404. > That is also explained in the original email I think? Until this is in master it won't work.

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio
Hi again, Needless to say: feel free to submit PRs against the multisite-test branch. Note that if nobody opposes it will dissappear within 72 hours, though, merged to master. Cheers, Antonio On 23/02/18 16:06, Antonio Vieiro wrote: If nobody argues against the branch I think we could

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Neil C Smith
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 15:10 Antonio Vieiro wrote: > I can't tell which parts/sections are more important. Should we start > with the tutorials? The plugin portal? A platform specific page? > > Just to note that the plugin portal issue (

Re: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread cowwoc
Same here. Stability first. Once we've got that down, then I'd favor a release schedule of 3-6 months. Gili On 2018-02-23 5:52 AM, Валера Солдатов wrote: My 2 cents. I wish to use stable and quick IDE. I don't want to update my working tool too often. 23.02.2018 13:01, Christian Lenz пишет:

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread cowwoc
Sorry, I missed that. I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but clicking "See this page in github" on the landing page results in a HTTP 404. Aside from that, looks great. I especially like that you guys added a chat channel (slack). That will come in very useful. Gili On 2018-02-23

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread cowwoc
Way ahead of you: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-245 Gili On 2018-02-23 1:19 PM, Jiří Kovalský wrote: Gili, it's time to create your first enhancement in JIRA I guess. ;) -Jirka Dne 23.2.2018 v 17:03 cowwoc napsal(a): While we're on the topic, it would be nice if the IDE

Re: AW: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread cowwoc
I agree with you on needing to fix the release pipeline. I've used Netbeans for over 15 years. I mention this not to toot my own horn but rather to say that I've used many official releases, and patch releases in between. The one thing that has constantly bugged me is how official releases

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Jiří Kovalský
Gili, it's time to create your first enhancement in JIRA I guess. ;) -Jirka Dne 23.2.2018 v 17:03 cowwoc napsal(a): While we're on the topic, it would be nice if the IDE supported the latest version of Maven. Right now we're stuck using version 3.3.9. Newer versions prevent the use of the

AW: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Christian Lenz
I know exactly what you mean, but I don’t mean the release of NB 9, I mean all other Releases. Often you have to wait 6 months or more for new Features etc. The community you can see it in slack, Twitter, Facebook asking for when will it be done, when is JS coming, when will we have better

Re: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Jiří Kovalský
I share the same opinion. For me personally quality is the most precious feature. I know that we all have been waiting for NetBeans 9.0 for more than a year now but good things need time. ;) Regarding release frequency, we should release only when it makes sense i.e. when a set of interesting

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Jiří Kovalský
Dne 23.2.2018 v 10:10 Neil C Smith napsal(a): Given that schedule has beta testing starting from March 19th if I'm reading it correctly, then is anything stopping us getting another beta release out before the testing process starts? Yes, I think it would be possible but in my opinion it's

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio
Hi, We now have a release-specific download page at https://netbeans.vieiro.net/download/nb90-beta.html https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website/blob/multisite-test/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb90-beta.asciidoc that I think complies with "Apache's project download

Re: AW: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Валера Солдатов
23.02.2018 22:10, cowwoc пишет: I agree with you on needing to fix the release pipeline. I've used Netbeans for over 15 years. I mention this not to toot my own horn but rather to say that I've used many official releases, and patch releases in between. The one thing that has constantly

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Jan Lahoda
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Eric Barboni wrote: > Hi, > I setup cygwin64 on windows 10. Thanks to your tips I update to i686* > tools chain. > I add to static link libgcc, libstdc++ and also add -static lpthread to > get it works. > > Artefact are huge now but I was

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Peter Steele
Looks good, what timelines do you have for the migration? On 23 Feb 2018 12:11, "Josh Juneau" wrote: > Great work! > > Josh Juneau > j > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have

RE: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Eric Barboni
Hi, I know that Apache Openoffice use buildbot[1,2] with cygwin on it. We need ask Apache Infra for that. We also need a new repository. Regards Eric [1] https://ci.apache.org/builders/aoo-w741x [2] https://ci.apache.org/buildbot.html -Message d'origine- De : Jan Lahoda

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Jan Lahoda
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Eric Barboni wrote: > Hi, > I know that Apache Openoffice use buildbot[1,2] with cygwin on it. > > We need ask Apache Infra for that. We also need a new repository. > We can definitely ask for a new repository, but do we need one? I.e. why

RE: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread constantin drabo
Hello Jiri , I would like to know why the test would not be done with JDK 9. May be a mistake (The point 4 : Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta will be primarily tested on latest JDK 8 and JDK 10.) Constantin ?? La Terre est le berceau de l'humanit??, mais on ne passe pas sa vie enti??re dans un

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Josh Juneau
Great work! Josh Juneau j > On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:19 AM, Antonio wrote: > > Hi all, > > Wade, Tim, Neil, Jirka, Geertjan and I have been doing some experiments > regarding the NetBeans website. > > As you probably know, the current NetBeans website comprises many

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread John Muczynski
All the questions about "where is the source code for blah" are much easier to answer when there's one repo. That's why we have one-repo-per-product at our office. -- Johnny Muczynski 734-262-2045 On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Jan Lahoda wrote: > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Jan Lahoda
Hi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:10 PM, constantin drabo wrote: > Hello Jiri , > I would like to know why the test would not be done with JDK 9. May be a > mistake (The point 4 : Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta will be primarily tested > on latest JDK 8 and > JDK 10.) > JDK

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Jan Lahoda
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Sven Reimers wrote: > Hi, > > this may already heading to be off topic, but if you run on JDK 10, you > will see a Java Source Level selection entry in the combox in the project > properties telling you to use Java 10.0 (which does not

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio
On 23/02/18 10:10, Neil C Smith wrote: Given that schedule has beta testing starting from March 19th if I'm reading it correctly, then is anything stopping us getting another beta release out before the testing process starts? I agree we need to not fall too far behind other IDE's, so still

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Randall Wood
What I’m getting at is that I don’t think anything in https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/ide/launcher/macosx/NetBeansLauncher is actually used in the product, and that

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Sven Reimers
Absolutely awesome Thanks guys you rock! Sven On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Fantastic work, especially by Wade, Antonio, and Neil. > > Gj > > On Friday, February 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz >

Re: AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Валера Солдатов
My 2 cents. I wish to use stable and quick IDE. I don't want to update my working tool too often. 23.02.2018 13:01, Christian Lenz пишет: Really 10 Weeks? 2 more months? I mean I don’t know it really, because it is a huge Code base but im the future, my wish and I think from other People too,

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio
The OS/X needs some love as well, the project does not even open in latest XCode versions. Having an OS/X tools chain/boxes would also we great. On 22/02/18 16:59, Eric Barboni wrote: Hi, I setup cygwin64 on windows 10. Thanks to your tips I update to i686* tools chain. I add to static

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Randall Wood
The macOS / OS X launcher is a shell script, and is (I think) the same shell script used in the Linux launcher. Since the macOS packaging is merely a directory structure difference from the Linux packaging, the only thing a macOS builder is needed for is to sign the macOS package for

Re: launcher for windows and building c file

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio
I meant the NetBeansLauncher.pbproj at [1]. Those ".pbproj" files were project files in previous XCode versions. These won't open in recent XCode versions. I think that launcher could be enhanced with I18N support for different languages, solving NETBEANS-222 [2] [1]

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Fantastic work, especially by Wade, Antonio, and Neil. Gj On Friday, February 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Antonio wrote: > > ...we thought we could start a simpler > > "netbeans.apache.org" website

Re: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Neil C Smith
On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 at 08:25 Sven Reimers wrote: > So I think we should try to get at least basic support for 10 in NetBeans 9 > to not fall behind the other IDE's. Although I agree we are quite late in > the process for such a change - but people will run into this... >

AW: [news] NetCAT 9.0 proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Christian Lenz
Really 10 Weeks? 2 more months? I mean I don’t know it really, because it is a huge Code base but im the future, my wish and I think from other People too, we want to have more release cycles and less time between Releases. My 2 cents. Von: Jan Lahoda Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2018 08:51

AW: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Christian Lenz
I like the great work too. Atm as I said often, I don’t have much time to begin. My first draft was the page which is online at netbeans.apache.org. I will dive into all of the stuff later, when I see smth that I can/will fix. But for the Moment, great work. I will discuss with you too but not

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Ate Douma
Great work! The only important and required change needed AFAICT concerns the download page [1]. There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2]. What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself, also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > ...There is a dedicated page with the ASF requirements for that at [2]. > What needs to be added is, besides links to the distributions itself, > also links to the KEYS, sigs, hashes files, and a reminder for users to > check

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio Vieiro
Thanks, for the links, I'll send a PR against incubator-netbeans-website (multisite-test) branch later on with some updates. We do need this kind of help at the beginning: finding out what the "Apache way" is is important. The sooner we adhere to the conventions the better. Thanks again, Antonio

Re: A NetBeans website proposal

2018-02-23 Thread Antonio Vieiro
If nobody argues against the branch I think we could merge it into master in, say, 72 hours or so. After that all merges are indeed welcome. A NetBeans features page is indeed missing. Some nice screenshots of the IDE and some more from other products built on top of the platform would be most