Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-04-03 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 3 April 2018 at 16:21:18 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote: On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote: [...] Not sure why that's a bad thing. They all have their ups and downs: [...] Since some want Quora engagement,

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-04-03 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote: On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 10:35:06 UTC, Benny wrote: [...] Not sure why that's a bad thing. They all have their ups and downs: [...] Since some want Quora engagement, I thought I'd mention this thread I just stumbled upon,

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-12 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 09:04:57 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: The best C++ can do, is (slowly) think about copying what others are doing..to the extent C++ can handle it, and to the extent the 'committees' agree to doing it. Well, most languages are like that... including D.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-12 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 05:45:13 UTC, Ali wrote: C++ is expected to add ranges based on this library https://github.com/ericniebler/range-v3 Yes, but given the significance of C++, it really should be leading.. not following (at snails pace). C++ simply has too much legacy stuff to

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-11 Thread Ali via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 04:59:10 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 23:00:40 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Even little ones like char16_t, char32_t, and being able to separate digits with single quotes, and larger ones like static if and ranges. D's support for

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-11 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 23:00:40 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Even little ones like char16_t, char32_t, and being able to separate digits with single quotes, and larger ones like static if and ranges. D's support for ranges is probably the single most important reason why I choose to use

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-11 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 2/11/2018 2:16 AM, Russel Winder wrote: Confirmatory evidence is that Rust does the same thing. D has an outsized influence that extends way beyond just D users :-) Consider all the D features that somehow were "completely independently" discovered years later by C++! Even little ones

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-11 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 15:07:00 UTC, German Diago wrote: If it is not implementable (it is complex, I agree), why there are 3 major compilers? At least 4: Intel, Microsoft, GCC and Clang. Then you have EDG and IBM, probably more.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-11 Thread German Diago via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 14:33:33 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei Why indeed! "I am appalled at the monstrous messes that computer scientists can

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-11 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei Why indeed! "I am appalled at the monstrous messes that computer scientists can produce under the name of ‘improvements’. It is to efforts such as C++

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-11 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 2018-02-09 at 13:39 -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 2/9/2018 6:01 AM, Atila Neves wrote: > > Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 > > programmers who > > have never written one and don't know anyone else who has. I have; > > I failed. > >

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-10 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 00:15:32 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grostad wrote: On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 00:06:07 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 00:03:16 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-10 Thread Ola Fosheim Grostad via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 00:06:07 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 00:03:16 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei Why indeed!

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-10 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 11 February 2018 at 00:03:16 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei Why indeed! Feature D C C++ C# Java (and this was bacvk in

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-10 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei Why indeed! Feature D C C++ C# Java (and this was bacvk in = Garbage Collection Yes No No Yes Yes Functions =

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, February 09, 2018 19:50:48 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 2/9/2018 1:48 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > If I were > > doing all of my personal projects n C++, I don't know how many would be > > unit tested. > > I know how many. Zero. If I were writing something like

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 2/9/2018 1:48 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: If I were doing all of my personal projects n C++, I don't know how many would be unit tested. I know how many. Zero.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 9 February 2018 at 22:38:23 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: Proposal: unittests should only be compiled if the module it's found in is being compiled (i.e., among the modules listed on the command-line), even with -unittest. if I'm using a 3rd party library, why should I care to run

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, Feb 09, 2018 at 01:39:22PM -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 2/9/2018 6:01 AM, Atila Neves wrote: > > Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 > > programmers who have never written one and don't know anyone else > > who has. I have; I failed. > >

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 2/9/2018 6:49 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: The amazing thing is when a programmer tries to argue that having unit tests makes your code worse - not that they take too long to write or that they don't want to bother with them or any that - that they somehow make the code worse. It's not

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, February 09, 2018 13:39:22 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 2/9/2018 6:01 AM, Atila Neves wrote: > > Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 > > programmers who have never written one and don't know anyone else who > > has. I have; I failed. > Unit

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 2/9/2018 6:01 AM, Atila Neves wrote: Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 programmers who have never written one and don't know anyone else who has. I have; I failed. Unit tests are one of the great success stories of D. I believe it was a success because it was

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 9 February 2018 at 14:49:27 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Friday, February 09, 2018 14:01:02 Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d wrote: Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 programmers who have never written one and don't know anyone else who has. I have; I

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Mark via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 9 February 2018 at 14:01:02 UTC, Atila Neves wrote: Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 programmers who have never written one and don't know anyone else who has. I have; I failed. Atila You should have tried to convince them to do TDD. ;)

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Mark via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 9 February 2018 at 13:21:09 UTC, Bo wrote: For basic technology as database's: Mysql, PostgreSQL, Sqlite, Firebird, MongoDB you expect this to be under the standard library for D, with official support. The reason why scripting languages do good in user adaptation is simply

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 9 February 2018 at 14:49:27 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Friday, February 09, 2018 14:01:02 Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d wrote: Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 programmers who have never written one and don't know anyone else who has. I have; I

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, February 09, 2018 14:01:02 Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d wrote: > Unit tests are a great idea, right? Try convincing a group of 10 > programmers who have never written one and don't know anyone else > who has. I have; I failed. The amazing thing is when a programmer tries to argue that

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Atila Neves via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 9 February 2018 at 13:08:25 UTC, Bo wrote: On Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 03:36:17 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: But really who is selling D to anyone? We are very far from that stage right now. Did someone sell D to Microsoft COM team, Remedy or to Weka? Nope. People who had earned

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Bo via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 15:56:16 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: You will get 9 packages listed. Which should I take? If you click on everyone, you will realize, that some of them are forks of other. And the version number of mysql-native at the top, just recently increased so strong,

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Bo via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 03:36:17 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: But really who is selling D to anyone? We are very far from that stage right now. Did someone sell D to Microsoft COM team, Remedy or to Weka? Nope. People who had earned the authority to decide became aware of the language

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 03:36:17 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 at 21:02:11 UTC, data pulverizer wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei [...] But really

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-09 Thread Mengu via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 15:29:08 UTC, Ralph Doncaster wrote: On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 at 22:31:58 UTC, John Gabriele wrote: I'm not sure how long dub has been around, but having an easy to use CPAN-alike (online module repo) is HUGE. Dub is great for sales. The better dub and the

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-08 Thread Martin Tschierschke via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 15:29:08 UTC, Ralph Doncaster wrote: On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 at 22:31:58 UTC, John Gabriele wrote: I'm not sure how long dub has been around, but having an easy to use CPAN-alike (online module repo) is HUGE. Dub is great for sales. The better dub and the

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-08 Thread Ralph Doncaster via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 at 22:31:58 UTC, John Gabriele wrote: I'm not sure how long dub has been around, but having an easy to use CPAN-alike (online module repo) is HUGE. Dub is great for sales. The better dub and the repo gets, the more attractive D gets. I completely agree that the

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-07 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 00:09:47 UTC, Ali wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei my modest opinion about this D currently is a small player, that have an attractive proposition

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-07 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 at 21:02:11 UTC, data pulverizer wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei The Betamax Problem When you introduce something new, how do you know that it is

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-07 Thread Ali via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei my modest opinion about this D currently is a small player, that have an attractive proposition for some * it is like C++ (that is close to the power of

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-07 Thread John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 7 February 2018 at 21:02:11 UTC, data pulverizer wrote: On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei The Betamax Problem I don't think the analogy holds. With VHS and betamax, you just

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-07 Thread data pulverizer via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 30 January 2018 at 20:45:44 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: https://www.quora.com/Why-hasnt-D-started-to-replace-C++ Andrei The Betamax Problem When you introduce something new, how do you know that it is going to be compelling enough for people to move from whatever it is they

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-07 Thread John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 14:30:25 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 19:28 +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 03:00:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: > On 1/31/2018 5:58 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > cosmetic features. > > I tough lesson

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-07 Thread John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 14:25:53 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 19:41 +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] It's trivial to put multiple markdown files together into a large doc, if that's desired. Just put a bunch of .md files together into the same

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-06 Thread Jan Knepper via Digitalmars-d
On 01/31/2018 10:01 PM, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/31/2018 6:14 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I have to wonder if my settings are right. I've never noticed any color in error messages. Messing around with some errors right now, the only color I see is that "Error:" is in red, and some of the

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-05 Thread Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d
On 02/01/2018 11:17 AM, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: For me: aptitude install ldc aptitude install gdc aptitude install dmd-bin aptitude install dub Seems to work fine, and no conflicts. [...] Only because the OS has a

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-04 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 4 February 2018 at 18:00:22 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 21:21 +, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] Would it be easier for hire a proven manager(Or at least look for mangers that are able to volunteer)? What the D Foundation needs is a CEO who is a

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-04 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 4 February 2018 at 18:00:22 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: What the D Foundation needs is a CEO who is a good CEO. Good CTOs rarely make good CEO, though it is possible. Well, I don't think making some hard decisions about memory management, which is the most apparent issue with D, is

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-04 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 21:21 +, 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > Would it be easier for hire a proven manager(Or at least look for > mangers that are able to volunteer)? What the D Foundation needs is a CEO who is a good CEO. Good CTOs rarely make good CEO, though it is possible.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-04 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Sun, 2018-02-04 at 01:53 +, psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d wrote: > > […] > In my experience, there is nothing worse than a 'learnt' manager > ;-) I disagree. > People either have the gift, or they do not. Most do not. Again I disagree. > (if they have the gift, then improving

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-03 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 3 February 2018 at 15:33:01 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: Who is your management mentor? It is making your job harder if you are trying to teach yourselves purely from experience. Been there done that, made much better progress after reading: In my experience, there is nothing worse

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-03 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 13:14 -0800, Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 2/2/2018 11:08 AM, Russel Winder wrote: > > Hummm… could it be that Andrei did not define the task > > appropriately, > > train the person appropriately, and mentor the person > > appropriately. > > Management has to be

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread rjframe via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 20:04:33 +, Seb wrote: > Not could - it's now is: > https://forum.dlang.org/post/tzyleprmwjmdnjhhp...@forum.dlang.org Sometimes y'all get things done so quickly I'm surprised everybody's a volunteer. --Ryan

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 21:14:12 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 2/2/2018 11:08 AM, Russel Winder wrote: Hummm… could it be that Andrei did not define the task appropriately, train the person appropriately, and mentor the person appropriately. Management has to be able to delegate and

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 2/2/2018 11:08 AM, Russel Winder wrote: Hummm… could it be that Andrei did not define the task appropriately, train the person appropriately, and mentor the person appropriately. Management has to be able to delegate and achieve required results without doing the work themselves. Of course.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Paolo Invernizzi via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 18:17:30 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 03:06:57PM +, Mark via It has, to some extent. But the fundamental problem remains that more manpower is needed so that he can be freed up to do the more important things. Having to personally review

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Seb via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:40:32 UTC, rjframe wrote: On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:11:20 +, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter with a special #tag beside #dlang where

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 07:08:47PM +, Russel Winder wrote: > On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 10:17 -0800, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > > It has, to some extent. But the fundamental problem remains that > > more manpower is needed so that he can be freed up to do the more > > important

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 10:17 -0800, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > It has, to some extent. But the fundamental problem remains that more > manpower is needed so that he can be freed up to do the more > important > things. Having to personally review all new public symbols added to >

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, Feb 02, 2018 at 03:06:57PM +, Mark via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 23:38:22 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: [...] > > And I'll be frank that sometimes Andrei can take some effort to > > convince, and it takes a certain amount of dogged persistence (and > >

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Mark via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 23:38:22 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: And IIRC, Andrei had already bought into the ddox system by then (the process of merging it might have already begun, I'm not 100% certain), so dpldocs was already starting from a disadvantaged position, whatever merits it may

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 19:28 +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 03:00:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: > > On 1/31/2018 5:58 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > > cosmetic features. > > > > I tough lesson I've learned is that cosmetics matter, a lot. > > Sometimes

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 19:41 +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > It's trivial to put multiple markdown files together into a large > doc, if that's desired. Just put a bunch of .md files together > into the same directory and run your markdown processor on them. > They can

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 17:25 +, Benny via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 15:47:50 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: > > For me: > > > > aptitude install ldc > > aptitude install gdc > > aptitude install dmd-bin > > aptitude install dub > > > > Seems to work fine, and no

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 08:17 -0800, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +, Russel Winder via > Digitalmars-d wrote: > > […] > > For me: > > > > aptitude install ldc > > aptitude install gdc > > aptitude install dmd-bin > > aptitude install dub > > > >

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Martin Tschierschke via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 08:39:58 UTC, Paolo Invernizzi wrote: On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 08:21:33 UTC, Martin Tschierschke [...] Maybe there should be a blog post, with some kind of status report every .. weeks or .. month? Telling more about the focus of the D foundation, statistics

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Paolo Invernizzi via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 08:21:33 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 22:38:36 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 2/1/2018 3:11 AM, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-02 Thread Martin Tschierschke via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 22:38:36 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 2/1/2018 3:11 AM, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter  with a special #tag beside #dlang where all updates

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Nerve via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 15:27:02 UTC, Benny wrote: Suggestion: Is it maybe not better to have one "front-end" compiler visible that people download Example: D run main.d D run main.d --compiler ldc ( not installed? Auto download and compile using dub ) D run main.d --compiler ldc

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:25:47 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran wrote: On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:15:55 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote: curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Seb via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:25:47 UTC, Arun Chandrasekaran wrote: On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:15:55 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote: curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Seb via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:33:30 UTC, rjframe wrote: On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:42:08 +, Meta wrote: On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote: Yes, obviously the current situation isn't ideal, but it's not too bad either and we have found one good, but probably not so

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread rjframe via Digitalmars-d
On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:42:08 +, Meta wrote: > On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote: > >> Yes, obviously the current situation isn't ideal, but it's not too bad >> either and we have found one good, but probably not so well-known yet >> way to tackle this: the

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Arun Chandrasekaran via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 2 February 2018 at 02:15:55 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote: curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script (with unknown contents), right off the web. Will people never learn?

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 17:13:52 UTC, Seb wrote: curl https://i.dlang.io/install.sh | bash -s dmd Yeah..let's all run an untrusted shell script (with unknown contents), right off the web. Will people never learn?

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Meta via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 11:42:14 UTC, Seb wrote: Yes, obviously the current situation isn't ideal, but it's not too bad either and we have found one good, but probably not so well-known yet way to tackle this: the dlang-community organization on GH

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
On 01/31/2018 06:38 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote: And I'll be frank that sometimes Andrei can take some effort to convince, and it takes a certain amount of dogged persistence (and thick-skin) to get through to him sometimes. And it doesn't help that he has so much on his plate, and generally doesn't

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 2/1/2018 3:11 AM, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter  with a special #tag beside #dlang where all updates are announced. And a place on the homepage, where this feed is

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:06:09 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 16:13 +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] this older language from times past, before C++11, and using ddoc for docs instead of markdown contributes to this perception. Let me know if you'd

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 03:00:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 1/31/2018 5:58 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote: cosmetic features. I tough lesson I've learned is that cosmetics matter, a lot. Sometimes much more than substance. There's no getting away from it. This is one reason I recommend

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Benny via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 15:47:50 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: For me: aptitude install ldc aptitude install gdc aptitude install dmd-bin aptitude install dub Seems to work fine, and no conflicts. […] Please try Windows and then come back ;)

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Seb via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 16:17:45 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 15:27 +, Benny via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not > introduces

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 03:47:50PM +, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 15:27 +, Benny via Digitalmars-d wrote: > > > […] > > Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not > > introduces issues. Currently there are 3 compilers but also 3 > >

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 15:27 +, Benny via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not > introduces issues. Currently there are 3 compilers but also 3 > different ways to install ( depending on the platform ). DMD has > a installer, LDC needs a

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Benny via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:21:37 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: D should be proud of having a reference compiler, a GCC-based one, and an LLVM-based one. This is a Good Thing™, let no-one undermine this. Nothing wrong with choice as long as that choice does not introduces issues.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 12:55 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > > OK, will do. Might need to work on getting some more content to > fill out the time but should be doable. Hopefully by then > DCompute will support Vulkan, assuming that I can get consensus > to get Vulkan as

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Seb via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:40:32 UTC, rjframe wrote: On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:11:20 +, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter with a special #tag beside #dlang where

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:04:11 UTC, bachmeier wrote: I had hoped the blog would be used for that purpose. Obviously it is not. And it won't be. I had vaguely imagined using it for semi-regular news updates from the core D team, but I realized early on that isn't going to pan out.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:22:56 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 12:06 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] Indeed, I will be giving a talk at IWOCL (an OpenCL conference) a week after DConf, promoting DCompute to the numerics folk. Please send this

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 12:06 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > Indeed, I will be giving a talk at IWOCL (an OpenCL conference) a > week after DConf, promoting DCompute to the numerics folk. Please send this in to ACCU 2019 during the CfP 2018-10-?? to 2018-11- ?? as a 90

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 12:03:43 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 11:49 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] Ali gave a keynote at C++Now(?) last year(?). I think it was. What is needed though is follow ups. ACCU, C++Now, etc. all need a steady trickle

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread bachmeier via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:11:20 UTC, Martin Tschierschke wrote: Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter with a special #tag beside #dlang where all updates are announced. And a place on the

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 2018-02-01 at 11:49 +, Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > > Ali gave a keynote at C++Now(?) last year(?). I think it was. What is needed though is follow ups. ACCU, C++Now, etc. all need a steady trickle of sessions. -- Russel.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Nicholas Wilson via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 1 February 2018 at 11:20:00 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 13:14 +, Michael via Digitalmars-d wrote: […] I agree that marketing is a pretty serious problem for D. Many people just aren't aware of it. Even for people who do not […] Some suggestions: More

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread rjframe via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:11:20 +, Martin Tschierschke wrote: > Idea: There should be some kind of news ticker for all enhancements and > important decisions, maybe at first just via twitter with a special > #tag beside #dlang where all updates are announced. And a place on the > homepage,

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 13:54 +, Jack Stouffer via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 07:56:37 UTC, Andrew Benton > wrote: > > E.g. three compilers > > Every other compiled language (and a lot of scripting ones) uses > the fact of multiple compilers for the language as a

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 13:14 +, Michael via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > I agree that marketing is a pretty serious problem for D. Many > people just aren't aware of it. Even for people who do not > […] Some suggestions: More people putting more good projects using D on GitLab, BitBucket,

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Martin Tschierschke via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 18:35:50 UTC, Seb wrote: [...] Like: https://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd/blob/master/simpledisplay.d And the examples from D-Lang Tour. So you only push a button [try D], and get a running environment to play around. Like this?

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-02-01 Thread Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d
On Wed, 2018-01-31 at 16:13 +, John Gabriele via Digitalmars-d wrote: > […] > this older language from times past, before C++11, and using ddoc > for docs instead of markdown contributes to this perception. Let > me know if you'd like help in translating D website and doc pages > from ddoc

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-01-31 Thread Seb via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 21:19:50 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 08:05:37PM +, Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Wednesday, 31 January 2018 at 19:59:23 UTC, Seb wrote: > ... and Mike did put _a lot_ of effort in pushing colorful > error messages: Yes, that

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-01-31 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 19:01:46 Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 1/31/2018 6:14 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > I have to wonder if my settings are right. I've never noticed any color > > in error messages. Messing around with some errors right now, the only > > color I see is

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-01-31 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 1/31/2018 3:38 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote: A "small fry" like myself wouldn't dare to push the merge button on changes of this kind of magnitude, since it could have drastic consequences that I can't foresee due to not having a full grasp of the full scale of what is being changed.

Re: Quora: Why hasn't D started to replace C++?

2018-01-31 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 1/31/2018 6:14 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I have to wonder if my settings are right. I've never noticed any color in error messages. Messing around with some errors right now, the only color I see is that "Error:" is in red, and some of the text is bolded, so it's white instead of the grey

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