Re: D User Survey
On Sun, 2017-12-10 at 04:02 -0500, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On 12/09/2017 07:58 AM, wobbles wrote: > > On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote: > > I didn't know Ireland was so > > > unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great Britain". > > > > I also hated myself for clicking Great Britain :-) > > As an outsider, I'm curious about this. My (perhaps innacurate?) > understanding was that "Great Britain" was more a geographical term > referring to everything on the islands rather than a political boundary > (as opposed to "UK" which is purely a political concept and includes > some, but not all, of the countries on the same islands). Is that not > enitrely correct? Or is that exactly the the part that's uncomfortable - > that it's a "Country" field which lacks the actual country name and only > offers a geographic collection in its place? The UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Well for now, let's see what happens come 2019-03-30. Great Britiain is technically the geographical thing, the island and surrounding islands that are politically Scotland, Wales, and England. Wales was effectively annexed by England long ago. Scotland joined with England via the Act of Union 1707. Northern Ireland is the result of the termination of the English occupation of Ireland. The 1921 separation of Ireland that allowed the Irish Free State to form in 1922. Basically it separated the unionists and the republicans so the republicans could get on with life as a self determining political entity. Many international organisations have confused everyone about the labels, UK, Great Britain, GB, GBR, especially in Internet circles and in sport. Wikipedia is mostly not entirely wrong on this stuff. -- Russel. = Dr Russel Winder t:+44 20 7585 2200 voip:sip: russel.win...@ekiga.net 41 Buckmaster Road m:+44 7770 465 077 xmpp:rus...@winder.org.uk London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype:russel_winder signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [OT] Re: D User Survey
On Sunday, 10 December 2017 at 13:06:34 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Well, the wikipedia entry for Great Britain takes the clear stance that it's the island that's Great Britain, and that when Great Britain is referred to politically, it's the 3 countries on the island and does not include any part of Ireland. It also lists the full name of the UK as being the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom So, technically, Ireland is not part of Great Britain at all, but sometimes, folks do end up including Northern Ireland in what they mean when they use the term - and plenty of folks outside of the UK probably get it wrong all the time. - Jonathan M Davis There are two political entities in Ireland, the Republic of Ireland (which is a member of the European Union) and Northern Ireland (which, being part of the UK, will leave the EU after Brexit). Thus, to use only "Ireland" would be wrong (it has to be Republic of Ireland), but how the ROI could be left out is a mystery to me. Anyway, I know that people in the Americas (including Latin America) are usually faster to pick up on things like Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp etc. But these are backend technologies, if you wish. It seems to me that at the moment companies and programmers in the USA are much more reluctant to adopt or explore new paths as regards the front end (the programming language in this case). I don't think it is to do with political / social conservatism, as this didn't stop engineers in the US to explore new technologies in the past either, and the Nazis were big into technology too. There is not necessarily a link between political / social conservatism and lack of technological progress (there can be). Maybe it is a certain laziness / complacency, since the USA no longer feel the pressure of having to be "the best" as they did during the cold war. Maybe this sort of complacency also has to do with the fact the for decades the US would make sure that their allies would only buy their technologies, so there was no real competition, no real challenge there (which partly explains the success of Microsoft). But now with China and other big players having entered the pitch, there is more pressure again, and if anything, a more "conservative"* approach that tries to relocate companies within the national borders might actually give innovation a boost. *It's not so much being "conservative" as an understandable reaction to globalization gone out of hand.
Re: D User Survey
On Sunday, 10 December 2017 at 09:02:46 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 12/09/2017 07:58 AM, wobbles wrote: On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote: I didn't know Ireland was so unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great Britain". I also hated myself for clicking Great Britain :-) As an outsider, I'm curious about this. My (perhaps innacurate?) understanding was that "Great Britain" was more a geographical term referring to everything on the islands rather than a political boundary (as opposed to "UK" which is purely a political concept and includes some, but not all, of the countries on the same islands). Is that not enitrely correct? Or is that exactly the the part that's uncomfortable - that it's a "Country" field which lacks the actual country name and only offers a geographic collection in its place? I am half English and half Irish (Kilkenny). The English occupied / (occupy) Ireland and it was / (is) very unpopular. Hence an Irishman will not enjoy having to associate himself with his (former / current) occupiers.
[OT] Re: D User Survey
On Sunday, December 10, 2017 04:02:46 Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d- announce wrote: > On 12/09/2017 07:58 AM, wobbles wrote: > > On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote: > > I didn't know Ireland was so > > > >> unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great Britain". > > > > I also hated myself for clicking Great Britain :-) > > As an outsider, I'm curious about this. My (perhaps innacurate?) > understanding was that "Great Britain" was more a geographical term > referring to everything on the islands rather than a political boundary > (as opposed to "UK" which is purely a political concept and includes > some, but not all, of the countries on the same islands). Is that not > enitrely correct? Or is that exactly the the part that's uncomfortable - > that it's a "Country" field which lacks the actual country name and only > offers a geographic collection in its place? Well, the wikipedia entry for Great Britain takes the clear stance that it's the island that's Great Britain, and that when Great Britain is referred to politically, it's the 3 countries on the island and does not include any part of Ireland. It also lists the full name of the UK as being the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom So, technically, Ireland is not part of Great Britain at all, but sometimes, folks do end up including Northern Ireland in what they mean when they use the term - and plenty of folks outside of the UK probably get it wrong all the time. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 8 December 2017 at 22:22:14 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote: [...] Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume them to be. [...] this is exactly my observation on HN.
Re: D User Survey
On 12/09/2017 07:58 AM, wobbles wrote: On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote: I didn't know Ireland was so unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great Britain". I also hated myself for clicking Great Britain :-) As an outsider, I'm curious about this. My (perhaps innacurate?) understanding was that "Great Britain" was more a geographical term referring to everything on the islands rather than a political boundary (as opposed to "UK" which is purely a political concept and includes some, but not all, of the countries on the same islands). Is that not enitrely correct? Or is that exactly the the part that's uncomfortable - that it's a "Country" field which lacks the actual country name and only offers a geographic collection in its place?
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 8 December 2017 at 22:22:14 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote: Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that is, given that it originated in the USA and people in the States are more open to new technologies. What were the technical and social factors at work here? Maybe D wasn't fancy enough to be taken seriously in the USA and maybe people from outside the USA (not only in Europe) looked at it and said "Hold on, that's something interesting...and we can contribute to it." D certainly struck a chord with many programmers around the globe, but what is it exactly? (Please no jokes about D major or D minor chords now ;) Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume them to be. Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. Always succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the US. Americans would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", "doesn't require musical talent" and other such [nonsence]. But turn on (for example) BBC's Top Gear and they had recognizable Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the place. And heck, most of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. That sort of stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats. Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new technology" as it is driven primarily by buzz and popularity. And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I don't mean this to be snarky, just honest observation: it clearly demonstrated there's far more white tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here than anyone ever thought. From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized nations that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is completely beside the point here, the point being: Either way, it's undeniably conservative. Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any of that as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make sense that europe would be more open to D than the US: Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than one would expect from a relatively young country that produces as much software and electronics as it does. Whether that conservativeness is good/bad/other is open to opinion, but either way, it is what it is, and I think D's higher rate of success elsewhere can be traced to that. There are interesting stuff in your comment but i think we're going off-topic. Let's no go too far, the point, initially, is that survey is not good. In no way it should be used to split ourselves.
Re: D User Survey
On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote: I didn't know Ireland was so unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great Britain". I also hated myself for clicking Great Britain :-)
Re: D User Survey
On 12/08/2017 08:00 PM, SomeRandomUser wrote: Isn't that just culture (music) how popular is American Country music in Europe? I have met one person that liked it. Trump is hardly an ultra-conservative (not to mention the various groups of conservatism social, fiscal, neo, etc..). Alot of the whites u mentioned voted for Obama last time around and are just scared of globalism and knew the alternative would push further down that path. Not all D users look at forums and while I do agree their are far more users visible in Europe that doesn't mean it's not used here as well. All the details are certainly debatable, and I won't claim to be well-versed enough in sociology, politics, etc to get into such details (nor would I really want to in a D.announce sub-thread - apologies if that sounds like back-peddling), but it's just a certain theme I've noticed that, from this insider at least, in my personal observation the country doesn't seem to be quite as progressive as it may appear to be (or claim to be), or as one might assume it to be (the super bowl nipple thing is another example), and my hypothesis is that could account for the US vs Europe D-uptake discrepency. But, of course one thing that *is* certain is that the US has a lot of both ulta-liberal, ultra-conservative, and everythintg in-between (and probably plenty of extremes on some other axes as well!). So grain of salt in hand, in any case, it's just a thought.
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 8 December 2017 at 22:22:14 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote: [...] Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume them to be. Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. Always succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the US. Americans would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", "doesn't require musical talent" and other such [nonsence]. But turn on (for example) BBC's Top Gear and they had recognizable Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the place. And heck, most of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. That sort of stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats. Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new technology" as it is driven primarily by buzz and popularity. And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I don't mean this to be snarky, just honest observation: it clearly demonstrated there's far more white tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here than anyone ever thought. From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized nations that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is completely beside the point here, the point being: Either way, it's undeniably conservative. Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any of that as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make sense that europe would be more open to D than the US: Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than one would expect from a relatively young country that produces as much software and electronics as it does. Whether that conservativeness is good/bad/other is open to opinion, but either way, it is what it is, and I think D's higher rate of success elsewhere can be traced to that. Isn't that just culture (music) how popular is American Country music in Europe? I have met one person that liked it. Trump is hardly an ultra-conservative (not to mention the various groups of conservatism social, fiscal, neo, etc..). Alot of the whites u mentioned voted for Obama last time around and are just scared of globalism and knew the alternative would push further down that path. Not all D users look at forums and while I do agree their are far more users visible in Europe that doesn't mean it's not used here as well.
Re: D User Survey
On 12/08/2017 05:53 AM, Chris wrote: Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that is, given that it originated in the USA and people in the States are more open to new technologies. What were the technical and social factors at work here? Maybe D wasn't fancy enough to be taken seriously in the USA and maybe people from outside the USA (not only in Europe) looked at it and said "Hold on, that's something interesting...and we can contribute to it." D certainly struck a chord with many programmers around the globe, but what is it exactly? (Please no jokes about D major or D minor chords now ;) Speaking as a US citizen, it's long been my observation that americans (and I only mean collectively, of course, it's difficult to generalize down to individuals since that varies greatly) tend to be far more conservative than one would assume them to be. Just as one example: The various genres of electronic music. Always succeeded far better in europe than they ever did the US. Americans would hear it and just bitch about "soulless", "doesn't require musical talent" and other such [nonsence]. But turn on (for example) BBC's Top Gear and they had recognizable Prodigy, Crystal Method, etc all over the place. And heck, most of Fluke's catalog isn't even available in the US. That sort of stuff just doesn't sell very well over here. Americans like their "three main acoustic cords" and steady simple 4/4 beats. Even "silicon vally" isn't quite so much "open to new technology" as it is driven primarily by buzz and popularity. And then there's the last presidential election, which, and I don't mean this to be snarky, just honest observation: it clearly demonstrated there's far more white tra...*cough*...umm..."ultra-conservatives" here than anyone ever thought. From what I hear, we're one of the few remaining industrialized nations that has capital punishment. Whether that's good/bad is completely beside the point here, the point being: Either way, it's undeniably conservative. Despite perhaps tipping my hand a bit, I really don't mean any of that as ranting at all, just illustrating that it DOES make sense that europe would be more open to D than the US: Because the US *is* paradoxically much more conservative than one would expect from a relatively young country that produces as much software and electronics as it does. Whether that conservativeness is good/bad/other is open to opinion, but either way, it is what it is, and I think D's higher rate of success elsewhere can be traced to that.
Re: D User Survey
On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 18:22:46 UTC, user1234 wrote: Survey techniques are a science after all. Google provides you the tools but without methodology it's peanuts. I suppose that this survey just allows you to locate yourself among the community, although it was already well known that D is more used in Europe and mostly by adults. I mean that the results cannot be used to change the development guide lines. Yep. D seems to be quite popular in Europe. I wonder why that is, given that it originated in the USA and people in the States are more open to new technologies. What were the technical and social factors at work here? Maybe D wasn't fancy enough to be taken seriously in the USA and maybe people from outside the USA (not only in Europe) looked at it and said "Hold on, that's something interesting...and we can contribute to it." D certainly struck a chord with many programmers around the globe, but what is it exactly? (Please no jokes about D major or D minor chords now ;)
Re: D User Survey
On Thursday, 7 December 2017 at 14:31:01 UTC, Chris wrote: On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 19:11:31 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote: Truth be told I find survey largely irrelevant. What my gender or some such have to do with D? Or my job? What do we want to understand from that - “teenagers w/o like D language more?” or some such nonsense? I despise demographic style surveys, ask technical aspects instead, it would be 10x more informative. Yeah, it's too personal (job, company, gender). Questions should concentrate on technical aspects. Survey techniques are a science after all. Google provides you the tools but without methodology it's peanuts. I suppose that this survey just allows you to locate yourself among the community, although it was already well known that D is more used in Europe and mostly by adults. I mean that the results cannot be used to change the development guide lines. Only interesting Q: - How did you learn D ? : yes, it shows for example that tour.dlang.org has gained its place. - What is your PRIMARY /SECONDARY area of development where you focus on D ? maybe interesting to detect something that's not worth improving in the language. But bad formulation. - How would you rate your experience with D compared to other languages? Yes, may show if D is generating D-language-centered people. and few others. Average SLOC per project would have been interesting too. TIme spent per day.
Re: D User Survey
On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 19:11:31 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote: Truth be told I find survey largely irrelevant. What my gender or some such have to do with D? Or my job? What do we want to understand from that - “teenagers w/o like D language more?” or some such nonsense? I despise demographic style surveys, ask technical aspects instead, it would be 10x more informative. Yeah, it's too personal (job, company, gender). Questions should concentrate on technical aspects. Btw, the country I reside in is not on the list: Ireland. It's neither listed as Ireland nor as Republic of Ireland (the official name in English) nor as Éire / Poblacht na hÉireann (the official name in Irish). I checked with the search function to be sure to be sure :-) I didn't know Ireland was so unknown, unless, of course, I'm supposed to choose "Great Britain".
Re: D User Survey
On Monday, 4 December 2017 at 21:22:39 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform How to see the results if you have already filled it? Hi i don't if it based on a token so it may be invalid when you'll read this: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewanalytics but working for now (9 AM - Paris local time)
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform How to see the results if you have already filled it?
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform The age results look interesting. It seems that the D community is relatively old. Tried to find a comparison, but the Rust survey seems to not ask for the age.
Re: D User Survey
On 2017-12-02 10:30, WebFreak001 wrote: On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 09:16:55 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2017-12-01 19:56, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform "How many of your colleagues used D before?" Before what? For the questions about OS/distro, I think you should add "FreeBSD" as an alternative. It's one of the officially supported platforms. I used that like "did you use D before?" as in "did you ever use D?" Then I would phrase that as "How many of your colleagues have used D before?" or "How many of your colleagues have tried D". -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: D User Survey
On 2017-12-01 19:56, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform I think the questions about how easy it was and the quality of the learning material were a bit difficult to answer. For someone like me that learned D 10+ years ago, how should I answer those questions? How it was back then, or how I think it's now? For the former it might not be very useful because the landscape was very different back then. For the latter it's difficult to answer because I already now D and how to find the resources. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: D User Survey
On 2017-12-01 19:56, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform "How many of your colleagues used D before?" Before what? For the questions about OS/distro, I think you should add "FreeBSD" as an alternative. It's one of the officially supported platforms. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: D User Survey
On Saturday, 2 December 2017 at 07:33:19 UTC, Basile B. wrote: On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: [...] Why did you put Coedit as a choice among the open source projects people has contributed to ? Actually it got only 1 real contribution, something like 3 years ago. You will understand that I have laughed a bit when i have seen it...there was so many other possible choices...and the worst is: it's not written in D. ¯\_(_ʖ)_/¯ I gathered that list by list of D projects on github sorted by stars + on the wiki the most prominent ones on a few pages
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform Why did you put Coedit as a choice among the open source projects people has contributed to ? Actually it got only 1 real contribution, something like 3 years ago. You will understand that I have laughed a bit when i have seen it...there was so many other possible choices...and the worst is: it's not written in D. ¯\_(_ʖ)_/¯
Re: D User Survey
On 12/01/2017 02:28 PM, Patrick Schluter wrote: > there are 7 different columns listed (English, ENGLISH, edglish, eglish > etc.) At least D is easy to spell! :p Ali
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 22:28:12 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform You will have to massage the data a bit. The spelling of words created more diverse answers than necessary. Everyone learned D in english but there are 7 different columns listed (English, ENGLISH, edglish, eglish etc.) yeah for countries I fixed that already, I thought adding a regex making people capitalize the words would unify it but instead they write all caps...
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform You will have to massage the data a bit. The spelling of words created more diverse answers than necessary. Everyone learned D in english but there are 7 different columns listed (English, ENGLISH, edglish, eglish etc.)
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform Yeah nice initiative.There's something similar for Nim and about this i remember that there was a question about the number of source line of code, 0 to 1000, 1000 to 1, etc... but it's too late i think.(https://nim-lang.org/blog/2016/09/03/community-survey-results-2016.html)
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform great idea, just finished the survey.
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 18:56:50 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform We have over 25 responses now. I have slightly changed the survey, if you had entered USA or United States in the form, please update your answer to the dropdown value "United States of America (USA)" if you still have the edit link in your history
Re: D User Survey
On Friday, 1 December 2017 at 19:28:22 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 12/1/17 1:56 PM, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform "In what language did you learn D?" => spoken language. Took me a minute to figure this out :) I partway filled out this survey, but not sure if I should finish it. It seems geared towards people who just learned D recently. Much of this stuff isn't applicable to me. For instance you have "Quality of resources to learn D", almost all of that wasn't available when I learned it :) -Steve Well new technologies are always on the rise, for example before you probably wouldn't have written Android or Objective-C D applications, but then wanted to learn it and the survey there is just to give an overview over the quality & availability of D tutorials in these fields. Fixed spoken language
Re: D User Survey
On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 02:28:22PM -0500, Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On 12/1/17 1:56 PM, WebFreak001 wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it > > would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it > > will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on > > users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is > > confusion. > > > > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform > > > > "In what language did you learn D?" => spoken language. Took me a > minute to figure this out :) Yeah, I almost wanted to write "D". :-D > I partway filled out this survey, but not sure if I should finish it. > It seems geared towards people who just learned D recently. Much of > this stuff isn't applicable to me. For instance you have "Quality of > resources to learn D", almost all of that wasn't available when I > learned it :) I finished it anyway, just to skew the data set a bit in my direction. :-D T -- If you look at a thing nine hundred and ninety-nine times, you are perfectly safe; if you look at it the thousandth time, you are in frightful danger of seeing it for the first time. -- G. K. Chesterton
Re: D User Survey
On 12/01/2017 10:56 AM, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform Suggestions for clarification: - Country+City does not mean much for US. I think it's better to put e.g. "California, US" as country and e.g. "Mountain View" is city. - I have two primary languages: Fully Turkish at home and among Turkish people and English outside. :) - "know about" and "used it before" are distinct groups of people. Unless you are looking for two numbers, remove one of those phrases. - "In what language did you learn D?" Please make that "spoken language". Otherwise, "language" in a language survey can be confusing. :) - dconf.org is missing from the repos Ali
Re: D User Survey
On 12/1/17 1:56 PM, WebFreak001 wrote: Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform "In what language did you learn D?" => spoken language. Took me a minute to figure this out :) I partway filled out this survey, but not sure if I should finish it. It seems geared towards people who just learned D recently. Much of this stuff isn't applicable to me. For instance you have "Quality of resources to learn D", almost all of that wasn't available when I learned it :) -Steve
D User Survey
Hi everyone, I made a public survey (everyone can look at the responses) and it would be great if you took some time and answered it. I think it will greatly benefit D as a whole if we had more anonymous data on users. I'm also open for changing some questions if there is confusion. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdPFx9ebHJ05QSW1VypBsQPw-1RbZ1v8FMgo1su6NvN6VErBw/viewform
