Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-25 Thread Greg Edwards
Andre, In all of the discussion, the initial question got unanswered: * Is eyetracking too expensive? * Expensive is all relative. Currently, you have three options: 1) outsourced data collection and analysis: you can have someone expert in eyetracking collect and analyze your data for you.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-25 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, oh, oh, I know—what we need is eye tracking with mind reading. Now, that's useful. This is not too far fetched. Jared is right: there is no 100% correlation between eye fixation and locus of attention (or

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-25 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
And here is one company, which can do the mind reading for you (as a side project they can find out what your test subjects think about Saddam, W. Bush, their reaction to pain etc.): http://ahe6.tripod.com/cognitive.eng/id45.html On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Oleh Kovalchuke [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-23 Thread Larry Tesler
Jared, If most readers think this has gone on too long, we should wind it down. On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:59 AM, Jared M. Spool wrote: On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:08 AM, Larry Tesler wrote: The fact that different observers see different things in the same raw eye tracking data is of no more

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-23 Thread David Walker
, April 22, 2008 11:22 PM To: Jared M. Spool Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated? Jared, If most readers think this has gone on too long, we should wind it down. On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:59 AM, Jared M. Spool wrote: On Apr 22, 2008, at 3:08 AM

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-22 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Apr 22, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Jared M. Spool wrote: If someone fixates on a link for a unusually large time, does that mean they are confused by it? Or they aren't confused, but are trying to decide if its what they want? Or they know whether they want it or not but are considering

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-22 Thread Jared M . Spool
Todd wrote: Oh, oh, oh, I know%u2014what we need is eye tracking with mind reading. Now, that's useful. Hah! If we had mind reading, we wouldn't need the eye tracker. Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Nuschke
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All you know is that the eye tracker registered that they fixated on the link and that they didn't click. The notion that they didn't understand the link is one inference. It's not the only inference. It may not be the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-21 Thread Rob Tannen
Sounds like what's missing here is a set of consistent, objective and reliable guidelines for interpreting eye-tracking data (and potentially usability findings in general). For example a fixation of an a priori specified minimum duration on a link in conjunction with a user failing to click

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-21 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Apr 20, 2008, at 3:54 PM, Christopher Fahey wrote: Nor can they explain why they wouldn't get *better* results and *better* recommendations from simply showing the UI to a half-decent user interface designer for 20 minutes Eye-tracking should not be used on its own—if used at all, it

[IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-21 Thread Pieter Jansegers
In the end, it's on what people click, which is really important. And even more important is the information people are really looking for and the findability of that information. It all comes down to offering the right information content in a nice way. Without the right information, your

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Will Evans
Speaking of failed pseudo-science - I had the unfortunate opportunity to see Ben Stein's Polemic Excretion Expelled on Friday eveningsigh On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:54 PM, Katie Albers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:27 PM -0400 4/19/08, Will Evans wrote: Yes, but Jared -- There are at

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Christopher Fahey
On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Jared M.Spool wrote: Every person I know who swears by eyetracking and has stories on how its helped them can't explain how they would've gotten the same results if some other professional had looked at the same raw data. Nor can they explain why they wouldn't get

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Andy Edmonds
Wow, what skepticism in this thread! I'll admit that I don't use my eye tracker as often as split testing, but I do feel compelled to offer a more positive view on the matter. The #1 utility of the eye tracker, for me, is in helping me understand the user's cognition during a test session.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Paul Nuschke
Jared said: I said that I thought it is a voodoo technique. Deducing information about a design from eyetracking is equivalent to reading tea leaves and using a ouija board. That's a pretty colorful exaggeration. Eyetracking lets you see where people are looking in real time. Without

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Jared M . Spool
Paul Nuschke wrote: Eyetracking lets you see where people are looking in real time. Yes. But just because you know where someone looks or doesn't look doesn't mean you know anything about what they see, what they wanted to see, and what they didn't see. It's not clear to me how one interprets

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Pieter Jansegers
I'm wondering about the need of eye tracking on any particular page. I mean : it's nice to repeat scientific tests over and over again to control the results. But I don't think it could add specific value to website analysis as such to do it on every site over and over again. I don't see why

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread mark schraad
I have been observing (pardon the pun) how often people look right at something and don;t see it. I am sure there is a technical term for this 'attention periphery' but I have not found it in the research yet. I would love to see the results and analysis of an eye tracking expert of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Jared M. Spool
On Apr 20, 2008, at 6:18 PM, mark schraad wrote: I am sure there is a technical term for this 'attention periphery' but I have not found it in the research yet. Search for situation inattentional blindness. The primary work was done by Simons at U of Illinois at Urbana-Champagne. Jared

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Paul Nuschke
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Jared M. Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Nuschke wrote: Eyetracking lets you see where people are looking in real time. Yes. But just because you know where someone looks or doesn't look doesn't mean you know anything about what they see, what they

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Al Selvin
This may be obvious or trivial, but it was a new insight to me. I've never used eye tracking in software/web design or thought it would have much utility. Nonetheless I wandered up to one of the eye-tracking vendors at the CHI conference and got into a conversation with the rep. He said that most

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-20 Thread Jared M. Spool
On Apr 20, 2008, at 7:45 PM, Paul Nuschke wrote: Imagine that a user needs to click on a link to go somewhere. If she fixates on the link and don't click it, then that's pretty good evidence that she did not understand the link. All you know is that the eye tracker registered that they

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-19 Thread Bruno Figueiredo
Eye tracking is just like tracking mouse movement or clicks. It doesn't really shows you what users are thinking, they're just secondary manifestations of their thoughts. It's just like when you twiddle your fingers on a table while thinking about what to do next. It has nothing to do with it.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-19 Thread Daniel Szuc
Have seen the phenomenon where because someone is using Eye Tracking Equipment they are automatically given more status or overused because of the coolness factor of just having the equipment (independent of what the results mean and how other methods can help compliment the results) Also

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-19 Thread Will Evans
Yes, but Jared -- There are at least 2 full sessions @ June's UPA conference dedicated to eye-tracking, ergo it must be a valid technique! Maybe next year we will have a Tea-Leaf Reading Analytical Practices for Enhanced User Experience, which will follow Rapid A-B testing with Mescaline

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-19 Thread Katie Albers
At 10:27 PM -0400 4/19/08, Will Evans wrote: Yes, but Jared -- There are at least 2 full sessions @ June's UPA conference dedicated to eye-tracking, ergo it must be a valid technique! Not valid , but accepted. Surely we are all familiar with the difference between those twoAnd I suspect you

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-18 Thread SPatrick
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-18 Thread Rob Tannen
It does have value as a secondary diagnostic tool. In the context of usability testing, eye tracking does not determine the presence of a usability problem, but helps determine what led to that problem in conjunction with performance data, faciliator observations and user self-reporting. For

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-18 Thread Rob Tannen
...oops I meant Design B would be the better option (assuming less visual workload is preferable). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=28208

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-18 Thread John Gibbard
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Eye Tracking too expensive or complicated?

2008-04-18 Thread Eva Kaniasty
Eye tracking is very expensive for what it delivers, and, as with all analytics, data interpretation can be difficult because you know nothing about user motivation or intent. IMHO, analytics tools like session recording and click maps can provide somewhat similar data for a MUCH lower cost, both