what not let the developers decide , then it's probably gets as bad as
squeezebox .
Think about it we got used to squeezebox by almost a decade of use of
the product, it is in itself not a particularly good name . So our
developers can probably come up with something eqaully bad that we can
get
If you get an external server , get one that can transcode (x86 cpu ) .
The native ALAC support is a bit flaky the transcoded is more robust ,
as it is disabled by default in most server versions excepts when we
dont have any other options , on the Touch itself or similar cpu
challenged platforms
I tend to agre with Erland here , who knows if slim proto ( or what's
it's called ) is the only thing it it will understand .
Why not JS1 but in reality it might be JS347 :P (if DAC design is one of
his hobbies ).
Mnyb's
garym wrote:
+1. That's why I use a headless server ( vortexbox) located in a back
room closet. But *if* I wanted a ripper, file server, and player all in
one box, the vortexbox already does all this.
Edit: but I'd definitely be interested in a player with a John Swenson
designed DAC.
erland wrote:
I'm not talking about a IR blaster system accessible from a smart phone,
that's totally useless, I have to look at the touch screen but the
feedback is shown on the actual device I'm controlling. For a universal
remote control solution for smart phone/tablets to work, it needs
It is a good alpha/beta test of the production line :) can the
community design build sell and distribute a product handle warranty
provide documentation and help ? that in itself needs to be tested too
.
So I would probably get a community squeezebox mk1 just for the heck
of it and test the
erland wrote:
My guess is that it would be similar to a Raspberry Pi, basically you
would just have to install the board in a case, no soldering should be
needed unless I'm missing something.
Agreed, would be good to get some information from someone who knows
this stuff, I just read a
ulvi wrote:
My 7 year old SB3 started to reboot randomly in the middle of playing a
track. Right
now this happens every few minutes during playback, but never when
idle.
A Google search appears to show this has been a common problem with
SB3s
going back a few years. I tried the standard
You may need some CAD skills prototyping and -design- skills for a
product .
Prototype can lurk in an over the counter generic box or a shoebox
(shoebox lid can work as temporary circiut board to :) just punch holes
for component legs ) , but to actually sell it to more than 100 people
it has to
Can they sync if we want them in the family crypt :)
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ncpetry wrote:
Have my SB Classic for quite some time but now have problems with
connecting to the music on my PC. The Player is not recognized by the PC
and the message on the SB is that it can't connect. Have gone many time
through the setup procedures but - to no avail. Any
Mysterius never have to redo the setup regardless of where the players
are conected or if server is down or not .
But be a bit patient ,just wait a while after everything is rebooted .
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Can it be had without crappy pwm amp ;) I do want a source only version
, but let's sit it out and see how they do all other stuff like handling
a music libray lossles et all , do they intend to develop thier own dlna
server or use one the aviable ones ?
Just leave it to customer to provide an
d6jg wrote:
That does look interesting even if the product's colours scheme may look
a bit gaudy next to my hi-fi.
Saw that the 140b also comes in black or bw .
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Anyone found a more detailed spec on the Jongo a140b
Codec support Includes WMA (Standard V9), AAC, MP3, MP2 this spec
look pants to me :/ where is the rest like FLAC OGG WAV aiff alac ,
looking like this it can't be an alternative to anything .
maggior wrote:
The the big issue to solve is configuration - how do you make that not a
completely geeky endeavour without the problems that the duet had.
Well thats not to hard use an on-board web-UI or an helper app running
on your computer or why not both like my ethernet to ir
garym wrote:
I assume olive_media represents olive in some way. That's good...I'm
happy to see you here. As you'll find, there are lots of people here
that are serious about use of network music streamers in good (or
great!) audio systems. I have often said I would pay 10 times what I
paid
If applicable don't forget to adjust firewalls to the new port
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olive_media wrote:
Hey there,
The ONE has a Class D amplifier with 2x32W into 8Ohm. As a general
note: Class D amp output wattage cannot be compared to regular analog
amps, as they are much more powerful and power efficient. We are
driving some BW Cm9 and 804Ds here in our office and
Regarding playback that's up to the player and not the controller .
Classic aka Squeezebox 3 can not use logitechs oficial spotify app for
example , you must use triodes plugin on your own server , so these
older players would not be able to use mysqueezebox.com exclusively for
spotify ( but it
Another reason to not release an official SqueezePlay is that it has
many unaddressed bugs .
For example no possibility to set output device ,and as Erlands say it
can't be a high priority for a company who revenue comes ( came ) from
hardware sales to develop free software clients.
Pascal Hibon wrote:
How large is your album art?
You should keep it just below 600x600 otherwize LMS won't use it.
Yes it Will ? Is this something special for some redynas version , I
have a lot of larger artwork that works perfectly ?
garym wrote:
A sort of 'slim' devices approach? ;-)
Yea I've heard of those... ;)
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Yeah and we are moving back towards mono again the general public have
probably completely forgotten that stereo is not just sound out of 2
speakers and current recordings practices does not make it very obvious
either ...
hence deluxe system in one box , buy any other dlna type of streamer and
bigbossman wrote:
I've been playing with this for a bit - Antipodes Audio high end vortex
box-based server. This has 2tb onboard and can rip to FLAC using its
built in blu-ray drive. It sounds excellent and although not
inexpensive, I'm considering it as a Touch replacement. It'll also get
I assume that the final goal is to have squeezelite outputting to those
speakers :) which would make it squeezebox ,but I do agree that our
Linux forum attract fellas with both audio and Linux skills even if
better Linux support are generally found on specific Linux fora or RasPI
.
dyohn wrote:
Well, my old favorite SB3 just started its death throes today (failure
to stay connected to the same wifi network it has always used with 100%
stability, repeated reboots, unacceptable interruptions to every music
stream) so I am suddenly in the market for a replacement. I can
dyohn wrote:
Yea, I tried that, connecting the SB3 to the router using Ethernet, but
it still refuses to stay connected to the LMS. Sigh. Oh well, I bought
this unit the week Slim Devices released it, so what is that almost ten
years? With nearly daily use, it's been very reliable.
+1
It
A where back in the bad old days ,was a time around the duet release
where was like this as soon as the capacity where strained with many
listeners on such a holiday like xmas down it went .
Should we expect this this whenever many listeners want to use it the
same time :-/
They must have
Jokke wrote:
If there is no analog output to a regular hifi, it is a no-go for me.
What is the benefit of a built in amp, for an audiophile network player
? The 32w amp can never drive my bw speakers.
+1 you can also bet that the 32w switch-mode power is some creative
specmanship probably
Merry cristmas , from my new apartment in a new city (new jobb next
year)
Slummin with my boom and Radio aint got anything else going yet , there
are boxes everywhere ;)
Finally restored my internet today !
Sufjan Stevens has done yet another christmas record ?
CharlieG wrote:
I wish you great luck with your move!
Wow, new job and new city. This would be very scary indeed to me
Ive
lived in Baton Rouge all my life (born in 1958) and have worked at the
same place since 1983!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Thank's , same company thou ,
erland wrote:
I haven't looked into Olive One in detail, but generally I think it's
important to not just look at the hardware but also look at the
software.
The Squeezebox hardware might be great but if it weren't combined with
LMS and mysqueezebox.com it would just be another music
I'm not an so early adopter to the squeeze world and MIP was being
abandon even then .
So I understands if MIP have problem to gain new users , it a bit of a
threshold to get in on it .
However if some one writes a smart mix app that's just installs via the
plugins menu and just works , I think
I have nothing ( not much ) against meridians hifi ,but the sooloos
streaming is just to expensive my squeeze stuff does the same and sound
the same ( into my meridian hifi ) for a fraction of the cost.
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menno wrote:
The TEN API sounds promising. Is there anything stopping each user using
their own API key?
The reason I dont use MusicIP is because it needs to run on Windows and
my system runs on Linux (DockStar)
Cheers,
Menno
The mip server runs fine on Linux (Clear OS in my case )
mherger wrote:
I'm running both on my Linux box, though technically the UI presentation
layer would run on my Mac through X Window.
As for the TEN API: I just got news that some of the limitations I was
afraid of were removed. There's still a rate limit accessing their API
which means
The sync and gapless issue is interesting .
it's fabled to be possible with upnp/dlna but not many practical
applications devices exists .
I think linnhas solved gapless for upnp .
next Q would that work with another upnp player that also has gapless
support and sync them ?
smiggs wrote:
That probably just means it has WPS compatibility which is great but
it's hardly a killer feature as I've always found it more fiddly than
passwords (WPA, WEP etc). I guess if it is useful to some that's great,
these types of devices should be as get on a network as a desktop
VLC and Exaile streams this .
So there is a difference between mp4 and AAC streaming ?
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It won't play in VLC either - so how is anyone supposed to listen to
this
It plays on VLC on my desktop ?
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I didn't try VLC as I found that if mplayer fails then LMS will also
fail but it provide better diagnostics.
Most broadcast AAC streams use http with ADTS transport protocol - mp4
uses a MPEG4 transport and streaming MPEG4 is different to file based
MPEG4 and it has different
Syncing software players is always hit and miss ,it can work for some
not for others . Using real hardware squeezeboxes this usually works
fine.
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Absolutely hilarious :) a Squeezebox bubble , I'll wait until after the
crash .
But if you want one there really is nothing else aviable :/
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Search is also pretty fast it uses tags
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It scan C:\Users.. Etc do you have shortcuts to the mounted folders
there ? Or is your basic settings wrong ?
Which folder(s) are chosen as the music library.
And if LMS starts as service you must specify UNC paths not drive letter
paths .
I'm not using windows as LMS , but is it not also a
GeeJay wrote:
Scoff if you will, but I think they are representative of the broader
market Logitech has failed to reach. It really disappoints me that my
wife will plug in her iPhone to a set of external speakers rather than
use the SB in the same room.
That can also be marketing iPhones
amcluesent wrote:
Sonos must be amazed that their main competitor self-destructed
I'm also fascinated by this ,
I do recognise pippins ideas about that the product may need much more
development .
But consider that Sonos has been pretty much the same for many years to
,so that niche
One fact neither the duet receiver or boom do AAC natively ,so the
server has to transcode , that would not solve your problem ,but just so
you know.
And why lossles you cant transcode one lossy format to another lossy
without losing soundqality (sometimes it gets spectacularly bad ) .
The
While in the advanced settings check the server info menu for all pings
and ip's etc .
I recently had an oddity with my Radio it claimed that it was
unregistered on mysqueezebox.com ?
In fact it was not ,the site cheerfully claimed that the player was
registered , the symptom the connect to
pippin wrote:
People, PLEASE turn on crash reporting if you are seeing things like
that.
Since iPeng 2.0 I have ZERO (not even ONE) crash reports for iPeng under
iOS 5.x!
Do you use a jailbreak?
I'll add HockeyApp in the next release but what I can see from my betas
it looks similarly
pippin wrote:
Settings-General-About-DiagnosticsUsage Data.
Thanks done (they call it usage data ,maybe that triggers you to turn it
off )
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AndrewFG wrote:
I have been doing some testing:
LOCAL 96K OR 192K FLAC FILES SERVED BY LMS
- Radio, Squeezeplay: LMS down samples using flac.exe | sox.exe
$resample; audio intelligible; no buffer stalls
- I suppose ditto for Duet, Squeezebox
- Transporter: LMS just sends the file;
Hmm , what firewall and intivirus you migth have to alter settings in
both and sorry to say disabling firewalls does not *really* disable them
in many cases ( unistall is what works ).
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ja2038 wrote:
Sigh.
Thank you for your help. Regardless, the PLAYERS I AM USING ARE:
1) Remote Control at mysqueezebox.com (NOT A THIRD PARTY CONTROL)
2) Web Control that comes with LMS 7.7.2 (NOT A THIRD PARTY CONTROL)
3) Android Squeeze Commander. (A THIRD PARTY CONTROL)
THESE
Did you try a wired player (not wifi ) ?
16vs 24bit flac ,the difference can be natural as the s/n ratio of most
recordings are not that great ,then the lowest bit are all pure
stochastic noise in 24bit material hence it will not compress very much
.
Andy Cudlip wrote:
No joy.
Connected direct to router. Failed to auto allocate IP. Added one
manually, which appeared to work, but couldn't find server.
Maybe the ethernet port on my player is duff?
May have to revert to improving the wifi signal.
Did you st all other relevant
All 20yo girls secretly wants middle aged slightly obese audio/computer
nerds ;)
I'm not bald yet but things can be arranged if required and I could get
a holster to my cellphone and strings on my glasses to if it helps .
Andy Cudlip wrote:
yep, set them too
gateway 192.168.1.1
dns 192.168.1.1
subnet 255.255.255.0
That's fine if your router is 192.168.1.1 ( not 192.168.0.1) I assume
that the server is 192.168.1.x
Can the player conect to mysqueezebox.com ?
It may actually be busted unless you have some
The xilinx reset is tabout the audio fpga chip mostly it reloads the
software for this chip .
It may not apply to your situation ,but it is usually worth a try when a
SB behaves weird ? But that usually is a no audio situation.
Maybe a factory reset is the way , but it won't hurt the device to do
Try to manually add the server via it's ip adress ? If it's on the same
machine the home ip should do .
Not finding server is usually blocked port 3483 udp/tcp or udp,broadcast
disabled or some such .
Edit while at it port 9000 tcp should be open.
Flac and Ethernet conected is your best bet and you have to use Triodes
EDO to get it out of the player ( Touch ) on the digital out( analog out
not possible ).
If younhave an unmodified Touch the server is downsampling 24/192 to
24/96 .
pablolie wrote:
To me, the only important thing is that Logitech releases an open source
version of the code that allows the devices to run without
mysqueezebox.com. The user community can probably take it from there.
For that matter - where is the source code for LMS? I have looked online
pippin wrote:
Not sure about the controller but the Duet Receiver can definitely be
setup without MySB, e.g. using Net::UDAP or SqueezeConfig
No problem I recently tried this with my controller ( and documented in
another tread ) I made it work in several,different ways .
( the short story
pippin wrote:
Does that work after a factory reset? Have to try try it out.
FYI tried that with a controller it worked .
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garym wrote:
if this is true (regarding issues with new, uninitialzed devices), then
the recommendation some make to setup their spares in the box with
mysb.com, etc. and then put away is a good suggestion.
Even then I don't think there really is difference vs a factory reset
device .
What
johnny b wrote:
Ok, likely the reboot issues are linked to the Spotify issues. I have
tried for so long to get it to work that I can no longer separate one
issue from another...
Was it not soo that logitechs spotify app ( green icon ) could make the
radio reboot ?
Triodes app use an orange
Its like this it's is the software inside the transporter but it is
because of the hardware ( it can't handle more data faster ).
So it is limited to 24/96 .
But the server you use come to the rescue , it is actually transcoding
24/192 to 24/96 on the fly with a very good algorithm that does not
How many files do you have sonos has a limit of 65000 as a best case
scenario probably less in reality if you use a lot of tags
And there is some silly limits on the image size for album art
especially for their handheld controller , do sonos have any scaling ?
Do you have any 24bit files ?
If you are building a house and the walls are open you should install
some cat5 or cat6 wiring and outlets sprinkled here and there , you
never now .
They are usefull for more than squeezeboxes or sonos .
You can go overboard a friend of mine has Ethernet in the bathroom too
:)
Btw you have not
benybrady wrote:
I currently have squeezebox radio at my office and it is tied into a
central receiver that distributes sound to 4 pairs of speakers and it
works fine. I just can't control it from each individual room and it
plays all of the same music. I thought the boom would take the
benybrady wrote:
Will I have to get an additional amplier for each zone or can I hook the
speakers directly to my boom without a separate amplifier? At $500 a
piece for the sonus amplifier, it adds up if I have 5 zones.
Will the touch, or squeezebox classic allow me to run 5 zones playing
benybrady wrote:
So it sounds like to best and most economical way to distribute music to
all 5 zones with ceiling speakers is to buy 5 booms and a multiroom
amplifier. My main goal is to have separate music in all the rooms and
be controllable with my smartphone...correct?
Not my prefered
benybrady wrote:
It's a new house build so I have ceiling speakers. I don't want to to
see black boxesradios or booms sitting on the counters. I have a
central closet to house eveything.
But why 5 * Boom ?
Used SB3's or used squeezebox recivers (duet) is not more expensive ?
and are
azinck3 wrote:
You're not going to be able to use the amps built into the Booms to
drive any speakers besides the speakers in the Booms. Taking into
account that the amps and signal processing built into the Booms are
very specifically designed for the speakers in the Booms, that you'd
pippin wrote:
Yep. But remote control and all SqueezePlay/Jive interfaces still don't
work.
:-/ wonder how it works historically it has been similar the background
service for LMS is the first to work and last to break down, then it is
the classic players and last SqueezePlay players . Oh
w3wilkes wrote:
With the recent MySB outage it raises my concern about the Duet setup
process requiring access to MySB.com to complete setup! I would hope
that Logitech will remove this requirement from the Duet firmware so
that a Duet can be set up without MySB.com access. Or, does Logitech
Lately the new post view are swamped with reoccurring digests whats
that ?
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castalla wrote:
Anybody with a modicum of IT knowledge would know that this question is
like asking 'How long is a piece of string?'!
It's not like fixing a car - 15 mins for a wheel change, 35 mins for an
oil change.
The service will be fixed when it's fixed.
Install LMS on a local
w3wilkes wrote:
Tried the left arrow. It does back you up, but then you still can't get
setup to complete. The controller won't connect the receiver to your
local LMS until the controller connects to MySB.com first. It's like
once the controller gets a ACK from MySB.com it then asks if you
Nothing like a challenge I unboxed my old controller and factory reset
the thing :)
Ok lets try .
Language English
Choose region all other
choose network etc .
waiting
\THERE IS PROBLEM CONECTING TO MYSQUEEZEBOX.COM\
Aha what worked was choose player from that menu
If auto discovery
Take 2
Ok lets try .
Language English
Choose region all other
choose network etc .
waiting
\THERE IS PROBLEM CONECTING TO MYSQUEEZEBOX.COM\
(peeking into diagnistic indicates that has not yet found my server)
Hold left untill you get to home
from there choose my music now it
Take 3 ( a method when the auto discovery of LMS does not work )
Language English
Choose region all other
choose network etc .
waiting
there is problem conecting to mysqueezebox.com
Hold left untill you get to home
settings advanced networking *remote libraries* add new library
=
Is not the EU data center in Ireland or Germany it used to be ?
It may reside in EC2 at Amazons data centre on Ireland , maybe they just
confiscated the resources for some more critical backup for some US
customer ?
I think we should try to accumulate as much knowledge as possible :)
Others have tried with Touch and Radio none with the duet, I just could
not find my receiver I sort of know where it might be , it will
resurface when I move to another apartment shortly .
charlotte wrote:
Will be refused because the radio itself is not broken
Actually I don't think so within EU it must be fit for purpose the
server backend must function otherwise the radio does not work as
advertised.
But there is certainly no precedence case regarding what is good
bobkoure wrote:
You can just change the IP address mysb resolves to, either in the hosts
file of the server or, if you have a firewall that can intercept DNS
requests, there.
It solved itself, i got the oportunity to try , triode spotify works
just fine without mysb.com
bpa wrote:
This is strange. I have tested to make sure mysb.com is down in Ireland
and it is but with a Local LMS, I can search and play station via the
Tune-in menu on LMS web page and from Touch Tune-in App.
I wonder what is different between our two setups ?
Are you insing Tune-in
erland wrote:
It's not a problem to have third party streaming services depending on a
central cloud server, if the software isn't maintained it doesn't matter
if it's installed on your local device/computer or in a central cloud
server, if it isn't maintained it will stop working either
Spotify use triodes spotify plugin for the LMS server ,but configure it
to show up in the radios menu instead of apps .
This should work even today, drat ! That I did not took the opportunity
to try when mysb.com was down.
oddball wrote:
At the moment when I test my Network connection on the either device it
says that the connection to mysqueezebox.com is not ok
(understatement!) - Is the connection working for others?
If I can't connect am I able to install the Triode Spotify Plugin?
Ok I already have it
jezbo wrote:
Interesting comments on the VortexBox forums from one of the admins
there about Logitech's possible intention of future server software
supporting both sets of products (UE and squeezebox):
Ok ,now my boom is able to connect to mysqueezebox.com again .
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To rule out an wifi issue ( which is most likely here as higher bitrate
stuff buffers and dropout ) try a player via Ethernet ,don't forget to
redo the networks settings plugin in the cable does do this
automatically .
I assume that vb is wired to router ,with that many players ?
Now try it .
Sorry to say we other squeezebox user tend drive the price up on the
used market .
Suitable replacement is Squeezebox Touch Squeezebox 3 (the exact
same machine as Squeezebox Classic but made before Logitech takeover
and branded slimdevices ) Squeezebox 2 the exact same design as SB3
but in
Afaik udp 3483 is the auto discovery port , and it is broadcasted .
If you firewall or NAT it in a router or similar you may have to port
forward to the server machine , if the fw is on the server just open
those ports .
Normally for auto discovery to work server and squeezebox should be on
the
aubuti wrote:
Then it's probably putting in the mapped drive letter. Try typing in the
UNC path instead, in the form of \\servername\sharename , where you
insert the network name of your NAS or desktop in place of servername
and the network name of the shared folder in place of sharename.
pablolie wrote:
So I have a sizeable library (over 30k songs), but for the first time,
LMS will not include new songs (MP3s) I got. They don't show up under
New Music, and if I manually navigate to the folder, it will declare
it empty... despite the fact the siongs are there. Clear and
In flac files you can have more than one of each tag so multiple genre
tags should be possible .
And I also have Xmas music as a genre that I can exclude for random play
, unless it is Xmas .
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dasmueller wrote:
Glad things are better for you. Much of this is a learning curve for all
of us. Many assume that canned programs like WMP will do what we want
and then find out that it is not the case. I would also suggest using
Winamp as a pc based audio player.
+1
He he , a learning
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