Re: [Elecraft] K3 Util not responding

2014-05-04 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
Larry == Larry Lopez lawlop...@gmail.com writes: Larry I'm going to test the cable in the morning. Larry I have two cables neither which works. Larry The one which came with the rig seems to be a cross over cable. Larry The one I tested is an APC connection cable which just

[Elecraft] Question about Elecraft K3 Utility for Linux Revision 1.14.4.11

2014-05-04 Thread Larry Lopez
I've uploaded the firmware using K3 Utility. I want to save my configuration and nothing else the log contains: 02:17:11 Elecraft K3 Utility for Linux Revision 1.14.4.11 02:17:11 K3 boot loader is waiting for MCU firmware load. The firmware information section shows things like:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Util not responding

2014-05-04 Thread Larry Lopez
Hi Pierfranceso: I didn't know what it was but it seemed unusually light. It worked better than the original but it din't work. I looked up the part number and a Russian web page show it was simple cable with no parts and strange connections. I knew they were strange but not this strange. I'll

Re: [Elecraft] Possible bad KREF or K144XV Ref Lock or ???

2014-05-04 Thread Vic Goncharsky via Elecraft
Hi Harry, Hope the info that follows will be useful. I have made some research of how to make the internal K144XV Elecraft transverter be useful in contests. Originally it was almost useless due to many parasitics all across the band even from S9 signals. The stronger – the worse and there were

[Elecraft] Operator error or hardware fault?

2014-05-04 Thread Kjeld Holm
Dear folks, My Elecraft K3 with sub receiver suddenly is performing differently. I am not aware of having done any changes to any settings at the exact time of this change of performance (but of course I can have done something without knowing/remembering). Normally after activating SUB I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Util not responding

2014-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Larry, The cable only needs to contain pins 2, 3 and 5 (TXD, RXD and Signal Ground). They should be wired straight through (nor crossover). Everything on K3 Utility is greyed out because the communications with the K3 is not complete. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/4/2014 2:33 AM, Larry Lopez wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] Operator error or hardware fault?

2014-05-04 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Kjeld, Try changing the CONFIG:L-MIX-R setting. The default is main left, sub right. You'll have to enable TECH MD before you can get to this CONFIG setting. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 4 May 2014 12:30:30 +0200, you wrote: Dear folks, My Elecraft K3 with sub receiver suddenly is

Re: [Elecraft] Operator error or hardware fault?

2014-05-04 Thread Tom
Hi Check your settings for L  MiX R.  and AF  Level.  Sounds like the defaults are loaded. Why? Good question.  73s  Original message From: Kjeld Holm k...@kh-translation.dk Date: 04/05/2014 06:30 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft]

[Elecraft] MDS practical measuring?

2014-05-04 Thread Brian Alsop
It was time to drag out the test gear and give my older K3 a going over. One thing of interest was Minimum Detectible Signal. There is a WIKI definition for it but the equation doesn't help me a bit. I just thought I'd attach a calibrated signal generator and keep reducing the level (for a

Re: [Elecraft] MDS practical measuring?

2014-05-04 Thread John Oppenheimer
The XG3 manual http://www.elecraft.com/manual/XG3%20Owner%27s%20Manual%20Rev%20D.pdf Documents a technique to estimate MDS on page 15. John KN5L On 05/04/2014 07:34 AM, Brian Alsop wrote: How indeed is MDS measured quantitively? __

[Elecraft] Garbled K2 SSB Signals

2014-05-04 Thread dale
I completed my K2 earlier this week and everything seems to be working great. However, I have discovered one problem. Received SSB signals from 7180 to 7185 kHz are garbled even with the NB and preamp off. Thus far I haven't observed this problem on any other frequency. Any ideas what may be

Re: [Elecraft] Garbled K2 SSB Signals

2014-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dale, That is an old problem often referred to as WAOF (Weird At One Frequency). That frequency region is where the PLL frequency and the VFO frequencies cross. Those two signals can couple together producing the condition that you observe. The fix is to reduce the opportunity for those

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Kit Wisdom

2014-05-04 Thread Jerome Sodus
To be on the safe side, wear only cotton clothing; no wool or synthetic clothes. Cotton will be least likely to pick-up any charges. 73 Jerry KM3K KX3 #6088 -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014

Re: [Elecraft] MDS practical measuring?

2014-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Brian, The traditional way to measure MDS requires the use of an audio voltmeter (True RMS voltmeter) a low level very well shielded oscillator with a known and calibrated output level and a well shielded step attenuator. Any oscillator leakage will produce erroneous results. Turn the

[Elecraft] 2013 World Wide DX Contest SSB results

2014-05-04 Thread XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft
My personal best! 1st. place Mexico. 5th. place North America. 8th place World Wide. SOAB low power Not bad for a *Elecraft K3/100* with a Tri-bander and dipoles. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context:

[Elecraft] K3 SWR Panel Reading 1.2 - 1.

2014-05-04 Thread Bob Myers
K3 SWR Panel Reading is 1.2 - 1. I’ve recently completed K3 S/N 8156. It’s a basic K3, 10-watt unit with the only option being a 250 Hz CW filter. (Of course it has the 2.7 kHz filter installed.) No other options. The K3 Panel SWR indicates 1.2 - 1 during transmit when the actual SWR is

Re: [Elecraft] Garbled K2 SSB Signals

2014-05-04 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Don, Electrical tape is slightly resistive, at least the ones I've used. At Idealab (Pasadena, CA - tech incubator), we used electrical tape to lightly ground sections of a proto RF PCBA we were developing. Doing this snubbed out some parasitic oscillation that we never really understood. One

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Kit Wisdom

2014-05-04 Thread Fred Smith
IMHO there is only one Perfect WayDon't buy a kit let Elecraft build it, burn it in, do setup. Then I open the box when I get it and in less than 5 min. I'm on the air. Oh yes I've been studying the manuals both the build one and operating one (downloaded printed in 3 ring binder with

[Elecraft] K3 Kit Wisdom (or experience, anyway)

2014-05-04 Thread Dauer, Edward
One other tool I found essential - and I don¹t recall if anyone has mentioned this yet - is a hand-held magnifying glass with built-in illumination. There are at least two kinds of occasions when this could be important. One is those few places in which the soldered leads on a small board have to

Re: [Elecraft] MDS practical measuring?

2014-05-04 Thread Alan Bloom
I have always disliked the term Minimum Discernable Signal (MDS), because it really is a misnomer. Obviously different people can discern a signal at different levels, and what does it mean to discern a signal anyway? The technical definition of MDS is simply the effective noise level in

Re: [Elecraft] Garbled K2 SSB Signals

2014-05-04 Thread dale
Thanks again Don. I shortened one lead on C88 and made certain that everything around U4 and U6 was as tightly flush cut as possible. Also, I put electrical tape all over the U4 area. There's not much activity up here on 40 meters now, but fortunately there was a weak station around 7182, the

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Kool Aid

2014-05-04 Thread Jeff Cathrow
Elecraft Kool Aid contains a high percentage of Elcohol; hence that fellow's misspelling/poor grammar ( Crag's List, have drank) that detracted from my otherwise humorous enjoyment of his post. Jeff, NH7RO (fellow Elcoholic since 2010)

Re: [Elecraft] MDS practical measuring?

2014-05-04 Thread Lyle Johnson
Of course one of the nice features of the K3 and KX3 is that a true RMS audio voltmeter is built in to the radio. Lyle KK7P ... However, theoretically you need a true RMS voltmeter to do an accurate measurement. A typical multimeter reads the average voltage of the rectified AC waveform,

Re: [Elecraft] 2013 World Wide DX Contest SSB results

2014-05-04 Thread Chester Alderman
Not Bad is a poor description of your accomplishment Keith. 'Damn GOOD' is closer to it!! Really nice work Keith... 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 10:22 AM To:

Re: [Elecraft] Possible bad KREF or K144XV Ref Lock or ???

2014-05-04 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Thank you for the insight. Last night I pulled the K3 back over to the workbench and probed the lines coming to and from the ref lock board with a oscilloscope. What I discovered is that the rear of the jack had pushed back out of the socket. Once I corrected that everything worked fine. On a

[Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Hello all, I just passed my Tech license and I am looking for a mobile station to mount on my motorcycle (BMW F700GS) I spoke with my Uncle Chuck Wood, WD6APP in San Diego, and he praised the KX3 as radio, said buy one for the house, but thought it was not suitable for a motorcycle. His advice

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Kit Wisdom (or experience, anyway)

2014-05-04 Thread WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft
I would agree, but I prefer a bifocal magnifier head band with an external light.  I have two, one with an extra magnifying loop..  You definitely need some kind of magnifier unless you are very young with great eyesight or have a pet hawk or eagle to help.  Seeing eye dogs don't help much as

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Phil Kane
On 5/4/2014 9:20 AM, rgconner wrote: In case you were wondering what I would do with it... most of the road captains are HAMs too, so we are using FRS at the moment, but want to move to 6m/2m operations for co-ordinating rider leader/wingman/tailgunners actions during riders. My own opinion

[Elecraft] K1 test problem

2014-05-04 Thread Leroy Bellefeuille
I am a first time K1 builder and am having a very difficult time getting the proper voltage measurements for the test on page 46 of the manual. Test point J7 pin 8 should be 3.8vdc I get 0 The test points on Diodes D9,D10,D11,D13, all measure 0 Any suggestions as to how to go about

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Mike Morrow
...I just passed my Tech license and I am looking for a mobile station to mount on my motorcycle (BMW F700GS) I spoke with my Uncle Chuck Wood, WD6APP in San Diego, and he praised the KX3 as radio, said buy one for the house, but thought it was not suitable for a motorcycle. ...most of

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
I would full agree I briefly considered a putting a KX3 in my Jeep, but then figured it would  probably be distracting and not get used that much (because of being distracting) I used to ride years ago and would not want the added distraction on a motorcycle.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Matt Zilmer
You might get a few ideas by looking here: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/Rev-B1-1.6-KX3-Mobile-Owners.pdf There are ideas for mounts, power options, antennas, etc. The guide is really for four-wheel vehicles, but some of the concepts may apply to your BMW two-wheel installation. On the KX3's

Re: [Elecraft] K1 test problem

2014-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
You have no voltage coming into the T/R switch from the 6T voltage rail. Do you have the 6T voltage anywhere? Do a TUNE and check the voltage at P1 pin 7 - it should be near 6 volts. If OK there, you can go on, but if nothing there, you will have to backtrack to the Front Panel Board - the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Kit Wisdom (or experience, anyway)

2014-05-04 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
I picked up a Magnifying Headband years ago when I built my K2. It has been extremely handy over the years, and practically a necessity when building kits. Items I would say that are good to have in general are: Patience (don't rush, enjoy the build) A good set of screwdrivers (Craftsmen).

Re: [Elecraft] K1 test problem

2014-05-04 Thread Mike Morrow
I am a first time K1 builder and am having a very difficult time getting the proper voltage measurements for the test on page 46 of the manual. Test point J7 pin 8 should be 3.8vdc I get 0 The test points on Diodes D9,D10,D11,D13, all measure 0 Are you sure you performed this step

Re: [Elecraft] Garbled K2 SSB Signals

2014-05-04 Thread Fred Jensen
Be aware that most black electrical tape is very slightly conductive. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 5/4/2014 6:35 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: The last gentleman who had this problem reported that the above efforts

Re: [Elecraft] K1 test problem

2014-05-04 Thread WILLIS COOKE via Elecraft
I have no direct experience with the K1, but the first think I would look for is the diodes installed backward.  The band will be on the output (negative) end of the diode.  The next thing to look for is that all the diodes are open.     Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Kit Wisdom

2014-05-04 Thread Gary K9GS
Elecraft needs to develop a kit-building jumpsuit. They could use static dissipative cloth like we have for our smocks at work. Maybe have Eric and Wayne's faces silk-screened on the back. An added option would be a Batman-like utility belt that has a wrist strap and the correct

Re: [Elecraft] 2013 World Wide DX Contest SSB results

2014-05-04 Thread Wayne Burdick
Congratulations! Wayne N6KR On May 4, 2014, at 7:22 AM, XE3/K5ENS via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: My personal best! 1st. place Mexico. 5th. place North America. 8th place World Wide. SOAB low power Not bad for a *Elecraft K3/100* with a Tri-bander and dipoles.

[Elecraft] RESOVLED Re: Question about Elecraft K3 Utility for Linux Revision 1.14.4.11

2014-05-04 Thread Larry Lopez
Getting a brand new 25-1402 cable from radio shack made everything work. It's now showing the installed firmware versions. The save configuration button is no longer shaded out. Perhaps my hacked together cable wasn't working right somehow. 2 RXD_OUT 3 TXD_IN 4 DTR_IN 5 COMMON 7 RTS_IN --

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread David Patino
I would shy away from putting a KX3 on a motorcycle for several reasons: Heat from direct sunlight Heat from higher ambient temperature on the road Possible exposure to water / moisture Vibration (Even on a 6 cylinder Goldwing this can be an issue) Attempting to operate the relatively small

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
I don't know why it would be any more distracting than any other radio. The buttons appear bigger and easier to hit than the Beofeng you recommend. Which I have, and find I got what I paid for. Not being able to adjust mic gain means most helmet headsets and throat mic's are useless. I am not

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
5w is not enough if we get out of line of site. On a recent ride we could not open the designated repeater ~30miles away, K6IS, with 5w units, an FT-60 and/or the Beofengs. We all run either a Diamond or Comet antenna, so it was not just ducktails or screw on antenna. The FT-10 did so easily,

[Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Dear Elecraft, Right now there is no currently produced solution for a harsh condition, i.e. vibration, dust, moisture rated that is more versatile/powerful than a hand held 2m/70cm 5w unit suitable for mounting on say, handlebars of a motorcycle or atv. Please take into consideration cooling

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Thanks for your reply, Matt. I have looked at all those resources, they are very good. My plan for an off-the-shelf solution would be: http://www.rammount.com/Products/AQUABOX/LargeAQUABOX/tabid/4887/Default.aspx and then mount on the handlebar in the center. The space around the box that is

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Rich
It sounds like the problems encountered by the Western States 100 between Tahoe and Auburn, or the century bike runs in the coast range of California. Those problems were solved, IIRC, by mobile repeaters and even a repeater in the sky (on a light plane) orbiting above the course. Others can

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
That is precisely where we ride when we go east. Or the coastal range around Napa/marin counties when we go west. A repeater drone would be awesome... but unlikely. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Rich
OK, but you still may want to map the holes in your HT 5W net, and consider whether a few mobile repeaters or relays might be able to fill the holes for safety purposes. Clubs local to you may have already addressed your problems and may know how to solve them. They might even help out.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
IF it gets really bad, we will have resort to cell phones... *shudder* -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-this-operate-on-a-motorcycle-tp7588505p7588529.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread mcduffie
Many have given their opinion on this, some with actual experience. Listen to them. I'm not currently doing what you are wanting to do, but did for many years. Don't go with a handheld. They don't have enough power. Opt for a full power single or dual band VHF/UHF FM radio. Even then,

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Sound advice. The Kenwood remote is likely the best option right now... although if Elecraft wanted to use me as a guinea pig for creating a hardened rig... I would pay for the privilege. Right now we are using Jennipeaters, because on a ride, one of the Hams, Jennifer, was not leading or

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
In order to state that this is the wrong radio for this application, one must first determine what this application actually is. If his goal is to work the world directly, without remote stations or IRLP, then a KX3 is probably a better option than a VHF/UHF handheld. If the goal is talk

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
I have already established multiple times that an HT is not cutting it. I have a Baofeng and a Yaesu Ft-60. Neither is doing what I need it to do. So what you recommend? -- View this message in context:

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle? [KX3-ish discussion]

2014-05-04 Thread Mike Morrow
I am not using it rag chew. I am using it communicate with the 2 to 6 other ride leaders to coordinate and keep the ride together. General usage would be on a single channel all day long, unless we got separated, then we would have designated open repeaters to tune to during the ride.

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Matt VK2RQ
If you are looking for a 2m/70cm mobile rig with more than 5W output (eg. 50W?) to stay in touch with your buddies in the convoy, then the KX3 is simply the wrong solution. Even CB may be a better fit, except for the power/range requirement. After your ride, if you want to set up camp, throw

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread K8JHR
Now I don't mean to sound critical, but is it somehow different for guys on bikes than for guys in cars? We use 5 watt FRS/GMRS radios for our MINI Cooper driving club, and we can easily have thirty or forty cars on a tour, and have participated in groups as large as 400. If cars get out

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Phil Genera
Its much easier to get a useful ground plane in a car, in my experience. That said, i ran a 5w HT for 4,000 miles summer for APRS and found it worked mostly fine. Going to do it again on my bike next month. -- Phil kj6pon On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM, K8JHR jricha...@k8jhr.com wrote: Now

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Well, I would say that GPS, maps, turn sheets etc are much easier to use in a car. This makes everyone knowing the route much more difficult. Also, a mechanical failure or fender bender can be far more serious on a motorcycle than in a car. A flat is very dangerous to a rider, but for a car?

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Your passenger, which 95% of do not have, cannot effectively navigate for you, either. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-this-operate-on-a-motorcycle-tp7588505p7588539.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Matt Zilmer
Good luck with it! Despite others' comments about the KX3's ruggedness, it's pretty robust. I've had mine off road a dozen times, mostly in a jeep mounted to the dash 1 RAM ball. Seems like all jeeps have those. Had it out twice on a mountain bike, but there are too many situations where

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
This thread is a good example of using reply and it goes to one person, and not to the whole list. Please reply to the whole list, or reply all and (optionally) remove the individuals. Also, quote the relevant part of the message (only). Thanks! I said in an earlier post that you had to

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Mike Morrow
Please take into consideration cooling issues and variable power supply as well. I would gladly pay the current price + 10% to 20% premium for a hardened unit. More would depend on the feature set. Have you any experience with such industrial design? That generous 20 percent premium that

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
You must not use CB, or maybe it is just where I live, but if you try and use any channel on the CB the yahoos drown you out. REmeber, any yahoo can use CB, but a HAM operator has to pass a test. That appears to weed out the yahoos. I am amazed by all the things this radio does, and does well,

[Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Bruce Beford
From what I have read thus far, VHF is still the best bet for this application. I have not yet heard how far these riders are spread out. If a 5W HT doesn't cut it, then perhaps adding a 30-50W amp would be more appropriate than going HF. Also, look at the antennas in use on the bikes, and their

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Well, there is no reply all, just reply, and I am replying to the mailing list, so I don't know what else I can do. And yes, it is going to require an investment for everyone to go to 6m. But... the serious HAMs that have helped provide this solution already run 6m, and the cost is rather

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz) via Elecraft
as they say oops  -- forgot to do the reply all.  Sorry about that. KK4QDZ - Now with Extra Class Priv's, and a tiny KX3 to enjoy them! From: Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz) billblomg...@yahoo.com To: rgconner rgcon...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:49 PM

[Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Rick Bates
Don't forget the power budget is tighter on a motorcycle. It might not be capable of providing the amps required. As for HF, why put a few watts into a grossly reduced efficiency antenna? To reduce the HF antenna to bike size, lowers the bandwidth as well. Think 6 meters and

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
I don't know the GMail mail client, nor am I referring only to Mr. Conner. I do know that less than half of this conversation is on-list. I would not expect 6 meters to do any better than 2 meters. I do know that a 6 meter 1/4 wave antenna is going to be bigger than something for 2 meters

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
I see it all on the Nabble list. *shrug* If tech was easy, I would not be able to afford a KX3 =) Using the Ft-60 with an amp would be awesome. How do I do that? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-this-operate-on-a-motorcycle-tp7588505p7588549.html

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Mark via Elecraft
RE: “…with all the praise for this unit, it seems odd it is such a wall flower…” I wouldn’t call it a wall flower. The radio was designed as a high performance trail friendly radio (TFR). As such, it represents the best there is for that mission. Light weight, small size, self contained

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Don't forget an antenna, try a better antenna first. The Motorcycle Amateur Radio Club has several pages on antennas. You might start here: http://www.marc-hq.org/40.technotes/40-10.htm They seem to think Comet has the most durable antennas. I don't ride a motorcycle nor have I used their

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
The KX3 (or any other Elecraft transceiver) is not as fragile as some in this thread would imply. It is actually has a rather sturdy enclosure, and the SMD boards are much more sturdy than thru-hole electronics. Put it in a good mount and it will survive on the handlebars of those

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Well, I thought I mentioned we were all using Comet or Diamond, I think the worse is a Db5.1 gain anntena and the Elmer has a SWR meter, and we are all losing less than 10% on most of the bands we use. If I understand these amp manuals, I just hook my existing antenna wire into the amp, then

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Heh. The CB550 has 105 watts, nothing but a hand held there! The BMW has 450 or so, not a problem. On May 4, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Rick Bates happymooseph...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget the power budget is tighter on a motorcycle. It might not be capable of providing the amps required.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Using Mac Mail instead of Nabble, lets see if this works. Most everyone on an HD or a Goidwing has a CB, because they are sold/installed from the dealer. No one uses them. Getting a hi frequency “scree” from some jerk is not conducive to riding. 25 watt it is. I am thinking that the Ft60 with

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Walter Underwood
It isn't a delicate wallflower, but it is a pretty expensive and complicated way to get 3W on 2m FM. And it isn't really designed for general-purpose 2m use. Will it have automatic repeater offsets on 2m? Maybe not. With a dual-band mobile, you can use a high-gain 440 antenna. You'll also have

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread George Danner
Gold Wing Harley groups tend use built-in CB radios. CB radios in Gold Wings Harleys predate FRS; so retrofitting to FRS/GMRS can cause compatibility issues with older bikes. The only time that a group of 10 or so bikes loses communications is when one of the riders turns down the squelch so

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Starting to be sorry I asked. On May 4, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org wrote: It isn't a delicate wallflower, but it is a pretty expensive and complicated way to get 3W on 2m FM. And it isn't really designed for general-purpose 2m use. Will it have automatic

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Well, I guess that is why the FT-10 failed. $250 dollar handheld in a $500 case? or a $1000 radio in a $500 case? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Could-you-make-a-Element-vibration-hardend-VX3-tp7588524p7588558.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread K8JHR
Interesting observations - surely a different driving experience. Thanks for the uptake. We drive in Michigan, Ontario Canada, and down in the Smokey Mountains, and mountains of Kentucky, North Carolina, and Tennessee, so some of the same terrain considerations apply. Thanks for the

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Wayne Burdick
It was a perfectly valid question, Russell. Hardening the KX3 would be useful for high-vibration applications, but definitely on the expensive side. I'm not sure we could justify the engineering time or that we'd have a large enough market for it. 73, Wayne N6KR On May 4, 2014, at 4:51 PM,

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
well, the naysayers have convinced me, the Elecraft is not the radio for me for this application, and this is the application I need to solve first. A home station is a year or two away, if ever. I will just have to find a vendor that has a product that does what I need, pity it is not this one.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Your email response reached both my email and the Elecraft reflector just fine. Nabble has gotten 'flaky' recently with the sender identified as Elecraft Refector I use only the Elecraft email list and do not monkey with Nabble ond other derivatives of the Elecraft list. I think your most

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Phil Kane
On 5/4/2014 3:28 PM, rgconner wrote: Now, someone stated somewhere that 6m is hard to keep attenuated, and that might be a deal killer. Maybe 10w vas 5w is not worth the gain. Maybe 25w is the floor. OK, the 5 w hand-held won't cut it. For about the third or less of the price of a KX3 think

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Phil Kane
On 5/4/2014 4:29 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: This will give you 100 watts out. More than that won't help, and I could not find anything that said how much power they draw, or a fuse rating, so I don't know how your bike would cope. I would connect it directly to the battery. Consider

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
It's the wrong radio for this application in the same way a hammer would be a poor choice if you need to drive screws. On 5/4/2014 5:17 PM, Russell Conner wrote: well, the naysayers have convinced me, the Elecraft is not the radio for me for this application, and this is the application I need

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
I understand, I have an electronics background too, just like I'd imagine anyone attracted to your fine product. I can see the time and passion you put into your product. You could have come back and said we are working on it or It is most of the way there, it just is not water resistant or We

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
LOL, I will have to put a tin foil shield in the Vanson leather jacket! Bike handles two sets of 105w of heated clothing, 210w total so I suspect it would be ok. But I think 25 to 50 would be plenty. On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Phil Kane k2...@kanafi.org wrote: On 5/4/2014 4:29 PM, Lynn

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/4/2014 5:17 PM, Russell Conner wrote: well, the naysayers have convinced me, the Elecraft is not the radio for me for this application, and this is the application I need to solve first. A home station is a year or two away, if ever. Hi Russell, Congratulations on getting your license.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle? [KX3-ish discussion]

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
As I have said, I think that I have been convinced. If for no other reason, than if I did this, and had some sort of issue, perhaps unrelated to the environment, the reaction may be We told you so The bulk of the advice is to say Not the product for you and I am going to take you all's advice.

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread rgconner
Hmm. What I think the biggest issue is that I am both a motorcycle enthusiast and a budding HAM enthusiast... although the shine is coming off quickly. Motor scooters come in 600+ cc now, they are as big and fast as half the motorcycles out there. BMW's C600 will cruise all day long, and you can

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/4/2014 5:41 PM, Russell Conner wrote: You could have come back and said we are working on it or It is most of the way there, it just is not water resistant or We know someone who has a modification guide I figured no harm in asking boy was I wrong. Russell, You're being unfair. You

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread K8JHR
Hmmm kinda biting the hand that feeds you, here. ;-) Considering your last three posts, you are kinda sound just a little bit angry we do not agree with your plan. You are, of course, free to buy the rig and use the radio as you think best, but it may be just a wee bit inappropriate

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Walter Underwood
You asked about a specific application, co-ordinating rider leader/wingman/tailgunners actions during rides. A VHF mobile or VHF/UHF mobile is perfect for that. They are small, affordable, and the mobile antennas are efficient. The issue is not Elecraft, it is using HF for this purpose. HF

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
On 5/4/2014 5:30 PM, Phil Kane wrote: Consider the RF Exposure hazard of sitting that close to a 100 watt antenna! 50 W may even be too much. Personally, I'd use some kind of mast, and get the antenna UP so I was under the radiation pattern instead of in it, and if the HT on low power drove

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
As I have stated many times. 5w is not cutting it. Sorry, it is not. People saying it is all I need is not changing the facts. With a 5.1Db gain antenna, the local terrain is killing the signals in larger than 12 man groups, single file through the hills. We need more in many cases. On Sun, May

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Fred Jensen
On 5/4/2014 2:47 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: After your ride, if you want to set up camp, throw up an antenna and work some HF, then the KX3 is great for that. It's about using the right tool for the right job. I believe he said he had just passed his Technician license, somewhat limiting on HF.

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Russell Conner
Yes, but I have at least 2 Generals and an extra class in the group... I can give them control of the rig and use their license at camp, yes? On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: On 5/4/2014 2:47 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote: After your ride, if you want to set up

Re: [Elecraft] Could you make a Element/vibration hardend VX3?

2014-05-04 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
On 5/4/2014 6:13 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Elecraft is a small company, they make a small range of products, all primarly aimed at the HF ham bands, all are designed and built in the US, and they don't sell through dealers that add cost to the consumer. Russell is also being unfair in that he's

Re: [Elecraft] Could this operate on a motorcycle?

2014-05-04 Thread Walter Underwood
I am pretty sure I never suggested using a 5W rig. Mobile VHF rigs are 50-75W. The KX3 is limited to 10W (8W at 12m and above), so it would not give any more range than a 5W HT. wunder K6WRU On May 4, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Russell Conner rgcon...@gmail.com wrote: As I have stated many times. 5w

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