Re: Harmonics and flicker

2005-11-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Colgan, Christopher [Harman Pro Group UK] christopher.col...@harmanpro.com wrote (in 59FA3256BB317445884A09FF0576065E49B506@SCFTUKX1A) about 'Harmonics and flicker', on Wed, 9 Nov 2005: This begs the question, why are product family standards calling up other standards that are listed in the

Re: Harmonics and flicker

2005-11-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
rehel...@mmm.com wrote (in of5c335feb.f83c1c5e-on862570b4.003ece62-862570b4.003f4...@mmm.com) about 'Harmonics and flicker', on Wed, 9 Nov 2005: A standard can not remove the requirement for harmonics and flicker testing because 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3 are family standards unto themselves (all

RE: Harmonics and flicker

2005-11-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This begs the question, why are product family standards calling up other standards that are listed in the OJ? For instance EN55103-1 calls up EN61000-3-2 3-3. Surely this is unecessary, as testing to these two stand alone standards is required if following the standards route to compliance

RE: Harmonics and flicker

2005-11-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject RE: Harmonics and flicker

RE: Harmonics and flicker

2005-11-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
11:31 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Harmonics and flicker A standard can not remove the requirement for harmonics and flicker testing because 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3 are family standards unto themselves (all equipment equal to or less than 16 amps).. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory

Re: Harmonics and flicker

2005-11-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
A standard can not remove the requirement for harmonics and flicker testing because 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3 are family standards unto themselves (all equipment equal to or less than 16 amps).. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252

Re: Harmonics and flicker

2005-11-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Gordon,Ian ian.gor...@bocedwards.com wrote (in e1ba0362b28ed211a1e80008c71ea30603387...@z-160-100-30-252.est.ibm.com) about 'Harmonics and flicker', on Wed, 9 Nov 2005: Is it necessary to show compliance with harmonics and flicker requirements for products even though the product standard

Re: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
I read in !emc-pstc that Alan E Hutley al...@nutwood.eu.com wrote (in 002501c3f9b6$ceac7a80$5a2e9fd9@Alan1) about 'Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin' on Mon, 23 Feb 2004: You may be interested in this extract from an article by Phil carter. The complete article

Re: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-23 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
I read in !emc-pstc that Hall, Ken ken_h...@hp.com wrote (in a85be98e3961aa4398e3e704a78f5a93f...@cacexc05.americas.cpqcorp.net) about 'Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin' on Sun, 22 Feb 2004: Well, I was hoping to hear from you, I have seen some of your comments on

RE: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-22 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin I read in !emc-pstc that Hall, Ken ken_h...@hp.com wrote (in a85be98e3961aa4398e3e704a78f5a93f...@cacexc05.americas.cpqcorp.net) about 'Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin' on Fri, 20

RE: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-22 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
/2004 9:32 AM To: Hall, Ken; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Paul Wright Subject: Re: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin Ken and EMC-PSTC colleagues, Apologies if this is already known, but a great deal of work on evaluating the inconsistencies of harmonic

Re: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-21 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
I read in !emc-pstc that Hall, Ken ken_h...@hp.com wrote (in a85be98e3961aa4398e3e704a78f5a93f...@cacexc05.americas.cpqcorp.net) about 'Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin' on Fri, 20 Feb 2004: In the process of evaluating replacement equipment that meets the

Re: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Hi Ken -- Very interesting results! I'm glad to see that someone is actually checking out lab equipment and test procedures in the real world, instead of just looking for a consensus interpretation of the latest standard. I hope you will be able to share your results with this forum when you

Re: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Ken and EMC-PSTC colleagues, Apologies if this is already known, but a great deal of work on evaluating the inconsistencies of harmonic and flicker analysers has been done by Paul Wright of the UK National Physical Laboratory (NPL). This work has been published in award-winning NCSL papers,

RE: Harmonics and Flicker repeatability/reproducibility Round Robin

2004-02-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Sounds like a useful test. Please let me know if there is anything Voltech can do to help. A number of Voltech customer PM3000A-002 Power Analyzers have recently been verified to 61000-4-15 by the NPL in the UK without problems. You do need to have PC Software v3.10 and PM3000A firmware v2.20

RE: harmonics testing

2003-05-28 Thread drcuthb...@micron.com
Another fix is to run your system components off of a UPS. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:06 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: harmonics testing I read in !emc-pstc that Brian Epstein

Re: Harmonics and conducted emissions

2003-05-27 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com wrote (in 42050df556283a4d977b111eb7063208138...@orsmsx407.jf.intel.com) about 'Harmonics and conducted emissions' on Tue, 27 May 2003: EN 61000-3-2, by definition, is unhelpful. End of editorial comment. That's a bit harsh. IEC/EN

RE: Harmonics and conducted emissions

2003-05-27 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Neil, The out of band emissions below 150 kHz are nothing new. I remember having this problem when testing to the old German standards that had us performing power line conducted emissions tests down to 9 kHz. The noise off the input rectifiers would saturate the front end of a spectrum

Re: Harmonics and conducted emissions

2003-05-27 Thread Cortland Richmond
Neil Helsby wrote: Has anyone else noticed the tendency of modern switch mode power supply designers to save manufacturing costs at the expense of harmonic and conducted emissions measurements? It's not modern. I ran into it in the 1980's. Saving costs isn't _bad_, mind; it's simply doing

Re: Harmonics and conducted emissions

2003-05-27 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Neil Helsby nei...@solid-state-logic.com wrote (in 20030527.10334...@mis.configured.host) about 'Harmonics and conducted emissions' on Tue, 27 May 2003: Has anyone else noticed the tendency of modern switch mode power supply designers to save manufacturing costs at the

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Brian Epstein brian.epst...@veeco.com wrote (in 41c71af75675d54bb97c2fadcae7f994260...@exchange.di.com) about 'harmonics testing' on Fri, 23 May 2003: That raises and interesting question. The components are not in a rack or case, they are tabletop mounted. I would

RE: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread Brian Epstein
Engineer Veeco Instruments 112 Robin Hill Rd Santa Barbara CA 93117 805-967-2700 x2315 brian.epst...@veeco.com mailto:brian.epst...@veeco.com From: ssel...@yorkemc.co.uk [mailto:ssel...@yorkemc.co.uk] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:08 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: harmonics testing

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that ssel...@yorkemc.co.uk wrote (in E19J8TQ- 000cv7...@anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) about 'harmonics testing' on Fri, 23 May 2003: Brian/John I notice that EN61000-3-2(2000) para 6.3 says Where individual self contained items are installed in a rack or case, they are

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread ssel...@yorkemc.co.uk
Brian/John I notice that EN61000-3-2(2000) para 6.3 says Where individual self contained items are installed in a rack or case, they are regarded as being individually connected to the mains supply. The rack or case need not be tested as a whole. So, is it a rackfull of systems, or a system

Re: harmonics testing

2003-05-23 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Brian Epstein brian.epst...@veeco.com wrote (in 41c71af75675d54bb97c2fadcae7f994260...@exchange.di.com) about 'harmonics testing' on Thu, 22 May 2003: We make a product that has several components that plug into the power mains including a computer, two monitors, and two

Re: Harmonics Testing for PCs

2003-02-23 Thread Eric George
Rick: Sounds like the harmonics are adding or canceling as the case may be. Check to see if the offending harmonics are triplen or other harmonics. The high harmonics are sometimes tricky in the way they behave. Harmonics are always a function of the AC supply impedance. I would suspect

Re: Harmonics Testing for PCs

2003-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Lesmeister, Glenn glenn.lesmeis...@hp.com wrote (in 31891b757c09184bbfec5275f85d559502d1d...@cceexc18.americas.cp qcorp.net) about 'Harmonics Testing for PCs' on Thu, 20 Feb 2003: The problem with class A limits is that the higher your power draw, the lower your

Re: Harmonics Testing for PCs

2003-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that rbus...@es.com wrote (in B47A89AEC4538744B9D94 bad7e78efc7458...@torino.corp.es.com) about 'Harmonics Testing for PCs' on Thu, 20 Feb 2003: As for the limits, we are using A. I understand that D is used exclusively for ITE and has tighter limits. You said that the

RE: Harmonics Testing for PCs

2003-02-20 Thread Lesmeister, Glenn
, Glenn; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:RE: Harmonics Testing for PCs The PDU (power distribution network) provides 4-5 outlets per phase. We try to balance based on current loads rather than qty of cords. The graphics processor draws significantly more current per cord than the PCs

Re: Harmonics Testing for PCs

2003-02-20 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that rbus...@es.com wrote (in B47A89AEC4538744B9D94 bad7e78efc7454...@torino.corp.es.com) about 'Harmonics Testing for PCs' on Thu, 20 Feb 2003: During the Harmonics test (EN 61000-3-2) the system failed harmonics. Testing all of the peripherals individually, they all passed.

RE: Harmonics Testing for PCs

2003-02-20 Thread rbus...@es.com
and has tighter limits. From: Lesmeister, Glenn [mailto:glenn.lesmeis...@hp.com] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:23 PM To: Rick Busche; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Harmonics Testing for PCs Rick, You don't indicate how all of the other components are wired in the power distribution

RE: Harmonics Testing for PCs

2003-02-20 Thread Lesmeister, Glenn
Rick, You don't indicate how all of the other components are wired in the power distribution system. If you are balancing all load on the 3 phases, but only have 2 cords for the graphics controller, you must have something else picking up the slack on the 3rd phase. Are there any other

Re: Harmonics - IEC/EN 61000-3-4 for equipment 16A

2002-10-19 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Mowbray, John H jm134...@exchange.canada.ncr.c om wrote (in D74C689B5F7FD211887700E0292651EC08287669@exchange.canada. ncr.com) about 'Harmonics - IEC/EN 61000-3-4 for equipment 16A' on Wed, 16 Oct 2002: If you read the info on the -3-4 document, it is a technical report

RE: Harmonics - IEC/EN 61000-3-4 for equipment 16A

2002-10-16 Thread Mowbray, John H
Jim If you read the info on the -3-4 document, it is a technical report (the committee could not get sufficient agreement to publish it as a standard) and is provided only for information. Work is in progress on a standard which is to have a different number when it is published. John Mowbray

Re: Harmonics measurement instrumentation - solved !

2002-01-25 Thread Gunter_J_Maass
Sent by: cc: owner-emc-pstc@majordoSubject: Re: Harmonics measurement instrumentation

Re: Harmonics measurement instrumentation

2002-01-22 Thread Robert Macy
Hmmm...measured with a current meter, then measured with a wattmeter and got different answersHarmonics out of phase? contain no power? - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PEm...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International

Re: Harmonics, WAS: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-18 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Hans Mellberg emcconsult...@yahoo.com wrote (in 20011218072701.24359.qm...@web13003.mail.yahoo.com) about 'Harmonics, WAS: 2 Phases in North America', on Mon, 17 Dec 2001: A harmonic frequency does NOT imply a multiplier of, but one that sympathetically resonates with the

Re: Harmonics - A14 revision

2001-03-01 Thread John Woodgate
3.0.6.32.20010301104158.007f5...@mail.cinepower.com, Enci e...@cinepower.com inimitably wrote: When is the next revision due and can you tell us anything more about it? It will probably be published in 2003 or 2004 and become mandatory in Europe 3 years later. As yet there is no text other

Re: Harmonics - A14 revision

2001-03-01 Thread Enci
At 21:33 28/02/01 +, John Woodgate wrote: 31891b757c09184bbfec5275f85d55950b0...@cceexc18.americas.cpqcorp.net, Lesmeister, Glenn glenn.lesmeis...@compaq.com wrote: Why should all equipment need harmonic control when only some equipment cause problems? That's what the Amendment A14 to

RE: Harmonics

2001-03-01 Thread Bill Lyons
-Original Message- From: Lesmeister, Glenn glenn.lesmeis...@compaq.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Harmonics List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:06:15 -0600 There may be a lot more to the story, but it sounds like the HRT is doing a good job. It also sounds like

Re: Harmonics

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
31891b757c09184bbfec5275f85d55950b0...@cceexc18.americas.cpqcorp.net, Lesmeister, Glenn glenn.lesmeis...@compaq.com wrote: Why should all equipment need harmonic control when only some equipment cause problems? That's what the Amendment A14 to EN61000-3-2 (also voted positive by a majority of

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
4203d61676d0ae468aa5cea90a891c13235...@cof110avexu4.global.avaya.com, Wagner, John P johnwag...@avaya.com inimitably wrote: The European harmonics standard IEC 61000-3-2, and I call it European because that is exactly what it is, Indeed, that's because (and it is a matter of record)

RE: Harmonics

2001-02-28 Thread Mark
This month's Electrical Review (a free trade magazine in the UK) has just fallen on my desk, with this text and its associated picture taking up about a fifth of the area of the front page - I'm quoting it just for interest with regard to this thread! Perfect Harmony? Power conditioning

RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-28 Thread Wagner, John P
McInturff[SMTP:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com] Reply To: Gary McInturff Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 8:55 AM To: 'John Juhasz'; 'Rich Nute'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion. Years ago when switch mode power supplies were really first

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-28 Thread John Woodgate
of318a279e.2188070d-on85256a00.006a3...@somers.hqregion.ibm.com, Edward Jones ejjo...@us.ibm.com inimitably wrote: John, in response to your attached thread you may want to review some of the field surveys that are available from the Low Frequency Emissions Industry Coalition (LFEIC) @

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
200102271645.iaa00...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com, Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com inimitably wrote: Of course, no one has shown that unacceptable overheating will actually occur. Do you have any more such gems to contribute? What do you think happens to the total current through a capacitor

RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread Edward Jones
To: 'Rich Nute' ri...@sdd.hp.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc: Subject: RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion. Rich, I would think that you knew that this would generate discussion? One comment of Mr Hunter's that stood out in particular was the very last . . . . . . the only ones who benefit from

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: Of course, no one has shown that unacceptable overheating will actually occur. Do you have any more such gems to contribute? What do you think happens to the total current through a capacitor when the applied voltage contains harmonics? What happens to the I^2R

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread Robert Johnson
[mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:37 AM To: 'Rich Nute'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion. Rich, I would think that you knew that this would generate discussion? One comment of Mr Hunter's

RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread Gary McInturff
Subject: RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion. Rich, I would think that you knew that this would generate discussion? One comment of Mr Hunter's that stood out in particular was the very last . . . . . . the only ones who benefit from the harmonic current emission standard are the European electricity

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
E15CFB09B1FAD311B74700D0B746BDC12CC814@EMAIL, John Juhasz jjuh...@fiberoptions.com wrote: I like to give the benefit of the doubt that the standard was created based on sound technical evidence. It was based on INADEQUATE technical evidence, but not on NO technical evidence. Also

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-27 Thread John Woodgate
200102262030.maa28...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com, Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote: Of course, no one has shown that unacceptable overheating will actually occur. Do you have any more such gems to contribute? What do you think happens to the total current through a capacitor when the applied voltage

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-26 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: I must admit to several motives for posting my message regarding the WSJ-E opinion article. 1. I wanted our subscribers to know that the issue rated comment in the WSJ-E, a high- level, respected newspaper. 2. I wanted our subscribers to know that the technical

Re: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
200102261711.jaa27...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com, Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote: With thanks to Ed Jones... On Thusday, February 22, The Wall Street Journal Europe published an interesting opinion on the harmonic current emissions standard. The opinion is by Rob Hunter, a lawyer and Chairman of

RE: Harmonics -- WSJ opinion.

2001-02-26 Thread John Juhasz
Rich, I would think that you knew that this would generate discussion? One comment of Mr Hunter's that stood out in particular was the very last . . . . . . the only ones who benefit from the harmonic current emission standard are the European electricity distributors. They avoid

RE: Harmonics/Flicker Compliance

2000-11-28 Thread O'Shaughnessy, Paul
We just went through the same thing a few months back. The confusion comes from a clause near the end of 61326 which appears to exempt you from any responsibility on harmonics and flicker if your product is non-domestic. I know a number of EMC professionals who take that as the last word on

RE: Harmonics/Flicker Compliance

2000-11-28 Thread Maxwell, Chris
John, We have bounced this subject around ad nauseam (to the point of sickness for those not into latin). As I understand it, the long and short of it is: The writers of EN 61326-1 separated equipment into two classes. Class A and Class B. They intended to exclude Class A equipment from

RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit

2000-10-04 Thread WOODS
Woods -- From: O'Shaughnessy, Paul [SMTP:paul_oshaughne...@affymetrix.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:31 PM To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org' Subject: RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit Hello List, Is this a reasonable

RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit

2000-10-04 Thread O'Shaughnessy, Paul
: Gert Gremmen [mailto:cet...@cetest.nl] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:55 AM To: Don Rhodes; 'Wagner, John P (John)'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; gunter_j_ma...@embraco.com.br Subject: RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit Steps are being taken at the highest level to publish A14 in the OJEC ASAP

RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit

2000-10-02 Thread Don Rhodes
...@avaya.com] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 7:10 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; 'gunter_j_ma...@embraco.com.br' Subject: RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit CENELEC prA14 passed amending EN61000-3-2 Class D to include only PC's, monitors, and TV's. So, if your product is not in any of those categories

RE: Harmonics and the 600W limit

2000-10-02 Thread Wagner, John P (John)
CENELEC prA14 passed amending EN61000-3-2 Class D to include only PC's, monitors, and TV's. So, if your product is not in any of those categories, you need not comply with Class D after the doa of the amendment. Nevertheless, if your product is Class D, the Class D limits are the same as those

RE: Harmonics

2000-07-31 Thread WOODS
The Commission has commented on this situation in their explanatory document. A non-compliant product may remain in distribution virtually forever if it entered distribution prior to the effective date. Richard Woods -- From: Joshua Wiseman

Re: Harmonics and Flicker

2000-06-30 Thread Ergonomics, Inc.
Joshua Wiseman wrote: Hi group, I have a question regarding Harmonics and Flicker of equipment greater than 16A. I have a supplier who wants to know if he has to comply. I of coarse led him in the right direction. My question though is what is the DOW or DOC of the newer standards:

RE: Harmonics Testing

2000-01-25 Thread cetest
PM To: cet...@cetest.nl Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: Harmonics Testing Gert, Does this imply that the current revision will be withdrawn before it becomes mandatory for CE-marking? If so, how does this affect CE-Marking requirements in the 1-1-2001 to 1-1-2003 timeframe? Can you

Re: Harmonics Testing

2000-01-19 Thread Rich Nute
Hello from San Diego: Classifying products according to EN 61000-3-2 is not straight-forward. A product with the special waveshape (i.e., the waveshape created by a rectifier-capacitor circuit of a switching-mode or linear power supply) is Class D. A product with input current waveform

RE: Harmonics Testing

2000-01-19 Thread Barry Ma
Actually I had the same question as what Randy raised hear. I felt confused when trying to classify my EUT below 50W input power as Class A or Class D. Thanks for the clarification made by Gert. I was wondering why I could not have found the answer in Fig. 2 Flow-chart for classification of

RE: Harmonics Testing

2000-01-19 Thread cetest
month UAP procedure: acceptance 7 or 8/2000 Publication OJEC winter 2001. Transaction time probably 2 years. Regards Gert Gremmen -Original Message- From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 11:32 AM To: cetest Subject: RE: Harmonics Testing

RE: Harmonics Testing

2000-01-19 Thread reheller
'emc-pstc' emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: RE: Harmonics Testing I suppose Randy you are concerned about the EN-61000-3-2 instead of the EN 61000-3-3 which is concerned with Flicker testing. Please Note that the 3-2 is currently under

Re: Harmonics Testing

2000-01-18 Thread Bruce Touzel
Gert, Is 3-2 applicable to power supplies of 50W in Jan 1, 2001 ? Or is it still 75W in Jan 1, 2001, then 4 years later changed to 50W ? thanks Bruce cetest wrote: I suppose Randy you are concerned about the EN-61000-3-2 instead of the EN 61000-3-3 which is concerned with Flicker testing.

RE: Harmonics Testing

2000-01-18 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Randall, First, the standard is IEC (or EN) 61000-3-2, not -3. Article 5 defines Class D products as those Equipment having an input current with a special wave shape as defined in figure 1 and an active input power, P= 600 W, measured under the test conditions given in the relevant clause of

RE: Harmonics (EN 61000-3-2) testing of EUT's 1KW

1999-07-28 Thread Gorodetsky, Vitaly
The last paragraph is a typical example of particular American ingenuity. Lovely, indeed. -Original Message- From: Paul McCoy [SMTP:pmc...@lsr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 1:25 PM To: EMC and Safety list Subject: Re: Harmonics (EN 61000-3-2) testing of EUT's 1KW

Re: Harmonics (EN 61000-3-2) testing of EUT's 1KW

1999-07-27 Thread Paul McCoy
Kyle, I have good news and bad news for you: The bad news is that your equipment is defined in the standard and has to meet the Class A limits of table 1 (which incidentally corresponds to the maximum Class D limit for odd harmonics plus even limits). There is no hole in the requirements for

RE: Harmonics (EN 61000-3-2) testing of EUT's 1KW

1999-07-27 Thread George, David L
Kyle: Lots of questions. First the ITE product is professional equipment and it draws more than 1 kW. Therefore there are no limits for professional products over 1 kW, even after 2001. Class E was a proposal by the IEC committee and it was not accepted and therefore not in the standard. I

Re: Harmonics (EN 61000-3-2) testing of EUT's 1KW

1999-07-27 Thread Geoff Lister
Kyle, The UK EMC Journal, June 1999 edition includes a very good article on harmonics and flicker, by Dr. Philip Slade. I have just checked, and it is available on their web site. http://www.emc-journal.co.uk Regards, Geoff Lister From: Ehler, Kyle kyle.eh...@lsil.com To:

Re: Harmonics

1999-04-27 Thread Hans Mellberg
From what I remember in High School and College, Fo (actually it was omega-naught) was originally used to designate the resonant frequency of an LC network. I would then surmise that Fo, over the years, has been carried over to designate the primary frequency of oscillation. Fourier series and

Re: Harmonics

1999-04-23 Thread Jeff Chambers
...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 23 April 1999 18:07 Subject: RE: Harmonics Jeeez, if we follow the convention of the harmonic being the being written as FX (and the fundamental F0) where the subscript is some integer which represents an harmonic

RE: Harmonics

1999-04-23 Thread Gary McInturff
[SMTP:ed.pr...@cubic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:12 AM To: Robert Macy; Scott Douglas Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Re: Harmonics Robert and Scott: I agree that the fundamental is the First Harmonic. Now

Re: RE Harmonics

1999-04-23 Thread Robert Macy
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 ffied...@granville.com wrote: Hi, The reason for this message is to point out that the Fourier Series approach to waveform analysis and hence the harmonic content of signal waveforms is based on the period of a signal from T0 to T1 were there is non-repeating signal.

Re: Harmonics

1999-04-22 Thread Hans Mellberg
If you want to somewhat retain a square looking wave and non-sinusoidal, then you must keep the third harmonic. The first and third are essential. All subsequent odd harmonics can be filtered aggressively, i.e. w/ a multi-pole filter. The even harmonics add and subtract at the wrong places. You

RE Harmonics

1999-04-22 Thread ffiedler
Hi, I should have responded to this before which was also in Robert Macy's response. The sinx/x frequency response which he talked about is the result from a finite impulse signal repeated in x period of time. The square wave is a special case were the pulse width is 1/2 of the period. In the

Re: Harmonics

1999-04-22 Thread Robert Macy
OOPS! On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Robert Macy wrote: Can't make a general statement. A perfect square wave of 50% duty cycle is missing all the even harmonics. A perfect 25% duty cycle is missing every harmonic that's a multiple of 4 with even harmonics higher

RE Harmonics

1999-04-22 Thread ffiedler
Hi, Robert Macy is correct in that I had reversed the harmonic attenuation rate for the triangle and square waveforms. The reason for this message is to point out that the Fourier Series approach to waveform analysis and hence the harmonic content of signal waveforms is based on the period of a

Re: Harmonics

1999-04-22 Thread ed . price
Robert and Scott: I agree that the fundamental is the First Harmonic. Now, to muddy things up some more, how does all this discussion square with calling the fundamental Fo? ;-) Ed From: Robert Macy m...@california.com Subject: Re: Harmonics Date: Wed, 21 Apr

Re: RE Harmonics

1999-04-22 Thread Robert Macy
The amount of harmonic content in a waveform is weather it is an even or odd or somewhere in between function. A triangle waveform has all harmonics decreasing in a 1/N function. A square waveform has harmonics decreasing in a 1/(N*N) function. A perfect square wave (centered around zero value

Re: Harmonics

1999-04-21 Thread Douglas McKean
My two cents intertwined below ... At 01:38 PM 4/21/99 -0400, Scott Douglas wrote: Hi All, Recently an interesting discussion came up about harmonics. A general disagreement followed. We hope you all can offer some insight and perhaps help us settle the question. The question is numbering of

RE: Harmonics

1999-04-21 Thread Haines, Mike
If the fundamental frequency is 200 MHz, the first harmonic is 200 MHz, and the first overtone is 400 MHz. -Original Message- From: s_doug...@ecrm.com [mailto:s_doug...@ecrm.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:38 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Harmonics Hi All, Recently

RE Harmonics

1999-04-21 Thread ffiedler
Hi group, The answer and formula for harmonics is N*Hz. Hence, for the example, the second harmonic is 400 Hz when N=2, third harmonic is 600 Hz is when N=3, and so forth. The amount of harmonic content in a waveform is weather it is an even or odd or somewhere in between function. A triangle

RE: Harmonics

1998-04-20 Thread Robert F. Martin ITS/QS-Box
In my excitement I mis-typed the standard! It should, of course, be EN61000-3-2, not EN61000-3-1, for harmonics. Bob -- From: Robert F. Martin ITS/QS-Box To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Harmonics List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 7:55AM To (hopefully!)

Re: Harmonics Flicker Presentation, 10 Feb, Sunnyvale CA

1998-02-19 Thread Andy Griffin
Sorry that it doesn't include the spoken word but the following provides the overheads shown at the above Harmonics/Flicker meeting:- http://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/harmonics/index.htm Regards Andy Griffin __ EMiSoft Limited - Test and

Re: Harmonics Test Equipment

1996-09-23 Thread Chris Dupres
Hi Brent. You wrote: We are currently looking for a user friendly - IEC1000-3-2/3 test system - We am looking at both the California Instruments 4801iL integrated IEC AC test system and the HP Harmonics System (all in one box test system - don't have the model number since the paperwork