4-6 years checks out. Our original 2013 LEAF 12 volt aux battery failed
at about the six year point, so we got the max of that range. We also
still have 12 bars on the main pack at about 65k miles.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 2/25/20 9:11 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
On 2/24/20 9:06 PM, evln via E
On 8/22/19 8:42 AM, Willie via EV wrote:
Thank you for "listening". :-)
You're welcome, Willie. Thanks for pointing out your particular
experiences with an early LEAF.
I think your experience is important, even when you post on every single
LEAF thread to make sure we do listen. :^)
Th
For the LEAF, some folk's experiences as early adopters in 2011/12 was
not satisfactory, primarily due to battery life, as Willie periodically
reminds us.
However from my experience and others here I would say that from
mid-2013 forward the LEAF has been much improved in multiple aspects
in
I don't know what the story is in Australia but just to clarify some of
the info below, our USA _2013_ LEAF SV model does have the faster level
2 charging, 440 volt quick charging port, and heat pump.
Plus a light in the charge port, a useful battery charge percentage
display and a few other
It's helpful to be aware of who is writing such "studies," who is
quoting them in slanted hit pieces, and who might benefit from any false
impression of objectivity.
At this point in history, the word "Institute" in the resume of an
article writer or purveyor of studies should raise a cautio
Here's a look at the S-Curve of innovation adoption as applied to
electric cars around the world (from 2017 so the dots have moved a bit
since then):
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/23/electric-car-s-curve-adoption-country-fun-chart/
More about those groups along the curve:
https://en.wi
Our 2013 LEAF SV is still showing 12 bars of battery. It has more than
40,000 miles and handles 99% of our trips which are area roads and
highways. Fast charging is useful for extending its range on longer
trips, but we mostly charge at home as needed. With the auto-timed
charging it's charge
Like most non-Tesla cars they aren't adding features but they did
address a bug related to passenger air bag detection.
Enjoy your Tesla.
On 5/22/17 11:40 AM, Willie via EV wrote:
On 05/22/2017 12:09 PM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
True for 2011/12 LEAF models.
However the LEAF's guess-
True for 2011/12 LEAF models.
However the LEAF's guess-o-meter was improved later models. Even better,
a useful battery-percentage-remaining display option was added.
On 5/22/17 10:10 AM, Willie via EV wrote:
Bruce mentioned "guessometer" in a Tesla context. It is my
understanding that Tes
Speculation, FWIW:
If the 2014 LEAF really became OK to fully charge to 100%, that may have
been based on performance monitoring of the 2013 batteries not showing
degradation when charged to 100%. And that would imply that it may also
be OK to charge the 2013 to 100% regularly.
Or it may be
All of the Chademo level 3 chargers I have used can charge the LEAF to
100%. As with level 2, charging does slow down past 80% as it approaches
100%.
2013 or earlier LEAFs have an option to limit charging to 80%. 2014 and
later LEAF models don't have the 80% limit option.
Cheers,
-Jamie
For 2013+ models of the LEAF:
Simply glance at the percent-of-charge meter.
MUCH easier than the nebulous fluffery of bars.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
On 11/24/15 6:00 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
'Wow. People don’t know what they don’t know.'
https://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/18/m
On 11/13/15 2:15 PM, Bill Dube via EV wrote:
> What I also find particularly pleasant is the total absence of scheduled
> maintenance. No tune ups. No oil changes. No nothing. You rotate the
> tires and that is it.
It's pretty much plug in and go.
But there is a yearly dealer battery check for
a good idea to do while you're driving.
This is a reasonable complaint.
- What else? These are off the top of my head !
I would give the Leaf controls a solid B to B+. Not in the same class
as Tesla or high-end cars, but absolutely competes within its class as
far as usability.
Per
really
miss in the 2011/12 models.
And despite some valid criticisms, I think the heat/AC, radio and cruise
controls (what I use most often), are reasonably easy to find and
operate. I wouldn't dissuade anyone from buying a LEAF based on the dash
controls.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.J
On 11/13/15 10:13 AM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
On 11/13/2015 11:08 AM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
On 11/13/15 9:04 AM, Cruisin via EV wrote:
Regardless where you buy a Leaf at, take note of the high pitch wine
sound
from the motor. VERY aggravating to most people.
I can't speak for most people
On 11/13/15 9:04 AM, Cruisin via EV wrote:
Regardless where you buy a Leaf at, take note of the high pitch wine sound
from the motor. VERY aggravating to most people.
I can't speak for most people but I doubt that's true. Our 2013 a
typical understated EV "jet-like" sound. Some may find it ann
:
On Nov 12, 2015, at 3:07 PM, Jamie K via EV
wrote:
It would be cool if, when the time comes to replace the batteries
(in another 5+ years), Nissan would offer higher range choices for
replacement packs.
Nissan is almost going to have to...but, even if they don't, somebody
else will. The L
I think of 2013 as LEAF version 1.5. The SV could be the value sweet
spot although used SLs may compete depending on how prices trend.
Nissan is a bit cagey about it, but it seems like the 2013 batteries
were tweaked a bit.
The 2013 battery percentage display is very useful; the heat pump o
----------- On Wed, 7/15/15, Jamie K
via EV wrote:
Subject: Re: [EVDL] adding solar charging to 12 volt battery on LEAF
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Date:
Wednesday, July 15, 2015, 8:12 AM
As another data point, so far we haven't noticed any problems w
As another data point, so far we haven't noticed any problems with the
12 volt battery in the 2013 LEAF that we bought about a year and a half ago.
What model LEAF did you buy? S, SV or SL?
What symptoms have you had?
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 7/14/15 10:41 PM, harry henderson via EV wrote:
the 2
On the 2013 (and later) model LEAFs, like the one the OP was inquiring
about, you don't have to deal with the semi-ambiguous charge bars.
There's an option for a direct numeric percentage display which is much
more useful/readable.
Battery temp is still indicated by the left bar display, wh
Yes. Starting with the 2013 model LEAF there is a very useful percentage
of charge display option.
You can also reset the miles/kWh display before a trip in order to
monitor what your average is for that particular trip.
With those two numbers you can get a good idea of how you're doing.
O
Congrats on the new LEAF. There were some significant improvements in
the 2013 model year (search the EVDL for comments on "LEAF version
1.5"). There were changes to instrumentation, battery chemistry, regen,
and other features that early adopters of 2011/12 versions had been
requesting.
Yo
Wh/kg
and the LEAF at 140 on various internet reports. If those are accurate,
then the Tesla Model S pack would be about 1.7 times the energy density
of today's LEAF's pack, so not quite double.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 5/27/2015 12:36 PM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
On 5/27/15 10:03 AM, Pe
On 5/27/15 10:03 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
It's getting there. Right **now** the Leaf has a range of 75 miles.
Actually the current model LEAF is rated at 84 miles EPA range. The old
rating was based on an average between the at-the-time recommended 80%
charge and a 100% charge. Along
h home 6.6kW L2 it's working pretty well.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 5/13/15 9:36 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
Jamie K via EV wrote:
All I can tell you is that from our experience, L2 is not rapid
charging, it's normal charging. Whereas when you have somewhere to go
soon, L1 is punishment chargi
aps after changing the battery chemistry.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 5/13/15 7:19 PM, Ben Goren wrote:
On May 13, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Jamie K via EV
wrote:
It's the outliers that you have to accommodate.
Yes, but not necessarily with rapid charging.
When 200-mile ranges become the norm, as is pro
ul and creates happier EV drivers, which helps
word-of-mouth promotion and growth in the EV market.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 5/13/15 6:04 PM, Ben Goren wrote:
On May 13, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Jamie K via EV
wrote:
I'm coming from a perspective of practical experience with an
electric car as our
y want to avoid burning gas). Count me among those who would like to
see GM up the V2 Volt's L2 support to something faster than 3.3kW.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 5/13/15 2:00 PM, Ben Goren wrote:
On May 13, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Jamie K via EV
wrote:
But real range needs are based on maximums.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On 5/13/15 1:08 PM, Ben Goren wrote:
On May 13, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
Ben, on the subject of L1 chargers being good enough for nearly everybody and L2 being
overkill, I would ask "based on what data"?
Sorry...I had in mind overnight home charg
Good points about the importance of low weight and improved CD,
Lawrence. If the Tesla Model 3 can be more efficient than the Model S,
that would help get the price down from Model S levels while still
maintaining their desired range. Carrying fewer batteries would help
further with the weigh
Here are some links regarding LEAF batteries, warranties and replacement:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1081362_nissan-leaf-battery-capacity-loss-covered-by-warranty-now
http://insideevs.com/nissan-makes-good-on-battery-warranty-plesge-for-2011-2012-leaf-owners-software-update/
http://ww
On 3/26/15 10:36 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV wrote:
On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Jamie K via EV
wrote:
For example, if the display shows 50%, then 50% of 20kWh is 10kWh.
Why bother with the intermediate conversion to KWH? If you know how
far you can go on 50%, then you are done.
Because at
mie
On 3/26/15 9:58 PM, Ben Goren wrote:
On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Jamie K via EV
wrote:
That works for me, and it pretty much sums up what LEAF V1.5
(2013-2015) displays right now.
Good to know that it's a feature of one of the first-tier electric
vehicles on the market. Gives one
On 3/26/15 8:57 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> That's the idea behind my suggestion of a "remaining (usable) kWh"
> gauge, For a century or so drivers have done just fine with a
> "remaining (usable) gallons of fuel" gauge and a basic idea of how
> far they can make it on a gallon of fuel based on
fast charging capacity and the better options or find a low price
without the options and be happy.
Thanks for your description.
Alan
-Original Message- From: EV
[mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Jamie K via EV Sent:
Thursday, March 26, 2015 9:22 AM To: Electric Vehicle
It might be useful to make version distinctions when discussing "the LEAF":
-We might call the 2011 and 2012 model years "LEAF V1."
-Models from 2013 forward (a year of major changes) we might call
"LEAF V1.5."
-The upcoming 150-200+ range LEAF we might call "LEAF V2" (unless
Nissan give
2015 at 1:26 PM, Jamie K via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote:
On 3/25/15 10:11 AM, Michael Ross wrote:
Yes, the severe problem is in hot climates. So much of Europe
is not
going to see the issue. Though some may. Put a charged Leaf in a
garage o
,
-Jamie
On 3/25/15 2:14 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote:
On 03/25/2015 12:37 PM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
Willie2, it sounds like the Model S is a great fit for your needs. If
70% of the initial LEAF range meant it "lost nearly all its utility"
then you were really on the edge with that car. G
The LEAF instrumentation has changed since 2011/12. On the 2013+ LEAF
models, there is a new percentage of charge remaining display option - a
useful improvement. Also, the "guess-o-meter," the miles remaining
display, has an improved algorithm.
Using the percentage of charge display and the
hold up longer than what you experienced. Time will tell.
Cheers,
-Jamie
Peri
-- Original Message --
From: "Willie2 via EV"
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: 25-Mar-15 9:45:08 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics &
Critics (?)
On 03/25/2
or a variety of reasons.
Only you know what works for you.
Cheers,
-Jamie
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Jamie K via EV mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote:
On 3/25/15 3:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
% Some U.S. Leaf owners would state differently %
Yes, but to
On 3/25/15 3:03 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
% Some U.S. Leaf owners would state differently %
Yes, but to be fair it looks like the quoted articles are about Europe.
AFAIK the US problem was primarily in hot climates in some earlier
models. It's been reported that the packs have been updated
On 3/10/15 9:02 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
> Actually...I rather suspect that, by the time we get to a true
> no-frills EV from major manufacturers -- your archetypal base-model
> $15k econobox -- they'll come with at least 100 mile ranges, and the
We're under that 15k price now, for new EVs. U
Could any of the current shorter range BEV options work for you, Bob?
The Mitsubishi iMiev or Smart ED are shorter range, lower priced BEV
options (no superfluous ICE). Either may be worth considering for more
affordable 30 mile commuter use, if available in your area. Or perhaps a
used iMiev
On 3/3/15 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> So, why aren’t people buying it? I've heard a number of assertions that
> a cheap, efficient, small car "should be" the ideal choice for some
> segment of people. But, still, the sales are practically nonexistent.
According to InsideEVs.com, Mits
On 2/12/15 7:09 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Even I would balk at that! $25,000 per charging station when a $15 GFCI
ouitlet from Home Depot can do the same thing most of the time!
Leaving aside any discussion about who should pay for level three
charging stations, and how the business
On 11/23/14, 9:36 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
It's a neat gimmick, but I still say the solar panels belong on the roof of the
house, not the vehicle. Better efficiencies all the way 'round, much more
cost-effective, and excess generation capacity doesn't go to waste.
For s special-purpose veh
You bring up a lot of useful considerations, Ben.
I'll just quibble somewhat with your conclusion below about BEVs as a
"second car."
"...for families that are going to have two cars anyway..."
Actually a lot of folks are reporting that what becomes the "second car"
is the ICE, not the BEV.
On 7/9/14 8:34 AM, Electric Blue auto convertions via EV wrote:
I was reading post and saw David and some one else talking about Tesla charges
going back & forth from NYC to DC. @ 500$ per charge?? i would rather own a
dodge viper and know up front I am getting hosed at the gas pump. Thats
rid
On 7/7/14 6:47 PM, Ben Apollonio via EV wrote:
I know it's not a 'true' EV, but definitely don't forget the noble
Chevy Volt. At just $34k before tax credit, it provides decent EV
range (unlike the other PIH), decent performance, a coddled battery
that will last forever, actual back seat and tr
he EPA range is fact, but to compare apples with apples.
{brucedp.150m.com}
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014, at 09:21 AM, Jamie K via EV wrote:
Note that the LEAF is currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75.
Taking that into account, and if you look at the actual price people are
likely to pay post tax
Note that the LEAF is currently rated at 84 mile EPA range, not 75.
Taking that into account, and if you look at the actual price people are
likely to pay post tax incentives, the LEAF currently has the lowest
cost per range mile of those three EVs.
Cheers,
-Jamie
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at
On 5/9/14 10:36 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Well, it doesn't have to be called a kwh meter. I could be called a
energy-remaining or, to use the term incorrectly, a power-remaining meter.
Perhaps that's what the optional percentage readout is meant to address
on the 2013/2014 LEAF. I find
The LEAF has always had an empty-full gauge, consisting of stacked bars
on the right side of the screen in front of the driver.
From 2013 forward, due to requests from drivers, there's also a numeric
battery percentage option that can be displayed in the middle of the
driver's screen.
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