It seems that the more I study the aether issue, the less I know.
Consider this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy
Vacuum energy is an underlying background energy that exists in space
throughout the entire Universe.
[I suppose this is the background energy from the Big Bang][citation
On 11 Jan 2013, at 14:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, January 11, 2013 12:27:54 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/10/2013 9:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:33:06 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/10/2013 4:23 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Do you think there can be
On 11 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Thanks. I am finally beginning to understand your concept of
dreaming machines.
A fertile idea, which, when understood, makes comp seem more
realizable.
The inverse process --producing solids with structures by
a process
Hi meekerdb
Complexity need not have anything to do with intelligence.
The critical requirement is autonomy of choice.
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1/12/2013
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On 11 Jan 2013, at 18:14, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Reminds me of an old short by Larry Niven, called All the Myriad
Ways, where a police detective tries to uncover why radom murder-
suicides are happening, (That world is where scientists discover how
to travel to different Earths) and had
On 11 Jan 2013, at 17:37, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't believe that you can explain perception without God
And how do you explain perception WITH God except by saying God
just did it? If the God theory could actually explain
Hi meekerdb
As you observe, beliefs can be slippery, because reason is the devil's whore.
That's why we Lutherans rely first on faith (trust in God).
Second on the Bible.
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On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:42, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/11/2013 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Empirical proofs can be ostensive.
But I prefer not using proof for that. It can only be
misleading when we do
On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What are its tenets that you believe on faith?
That there is something different from me.
But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is
meant by me.
I think you need faith to make
On 11 Jan 2013, at 22:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/11/2013 11:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Telmo Menezes wrote:
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On 1/10/2013 1:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I understand of it). Despite
my belief that it is possible to extract memories (or their 3p
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In a message dated 1/11/2013
Hi everything-list,
I don't believe that Descartes would accept the MWI.
Here's why:
I think that the ManyWorldsInterpretation of QM is incorrect,
due to the mistaken notion (IMHO) that quantum waves
are physical waves, so that everything is physical and materialistic.
This seems to deny
Hi Richard Ruquist
OK, He would work.
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Hi Richard Ruquist
I believe that quantum waves are nonphysical.
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Hi Roger,
How can you have a wave without some notion of spatial/temporal dimensions?
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Hi everything-list,
I don't believe that Descartes would accept the MWI.
Here's why:
I think that the ManyWorldsInterpretation
On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:53, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
Complexity need not have anything to do with intelligence.
The critical requirement is autonomy of choice.
But that autonomy itself requires a minimal amount of complexity. Then
the math shows that it is not a lot. universality is
On 12 Jan 2013, at 11:56, Roger Clough wrote:
The only tenet to faith is trust in God. Period.
Yes.
That is even why we should never try to convince some others about
God. We can only trust that God will do that, at the best moment. We
can teach by example, but not with words, still
Hi Telmo Menezes
I don't pretend to be a physicist, but I do know that
quantum waves are probability functions. There are
the radius and time t in the Schroedinger equation,
so there must be some correpondence to the physical world,
but nothing physical is waving.
So suppose we have a
Hi Bruno Marchal
Good.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
Personally I have found that reading the Bible a little
and knowing some scripture verse, helps.
I believe (as did Luther) that the actual words are semi-physical
and paste themselves in our memories or subconsciousness
and work on us like cognitive therapy:
Hebrews 4:12
I have read a thesis
Douglas Bertrand Marshall, Investigations into the Applicability of
Geometry, Ph.D. Thesis, Harvard University (2011)
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~dmarshal/
where the author considers views of Aristotle, Galileo and Leibniz on
the relationship between Geometry and Nature. The
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What are its tenets that you believe on faith?
That there is something different from me.
But you have evidence for that -
Hi Roger,
Sure, neither do I.
But if you preform the double slit experience you will see physical
wave-like patters of interference. If it quacks like a duck...
I'm not a materialist and I have no problem with the idea of the physical
world being a dream. But I also believe that all experiences
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 1/11/2013 2:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 1/11/2013 2:27:33 AM
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:32 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.comwrote:
Please provide some reference showing almost all theists use that
definition of God [ a omnipotent omniscient being who created the universe]
.
Brent:
my loss: did not read Conrad. I referred to translated books I read both in
the original and in a (good!) translation, some of the original was always
lost. I can refer to my mother tongue (non-Indo-European) where shades of
meaning can be expressed by a 'buildup' of words, not experienced
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any definition of soul you agree with?
Strangely enough there is, the soul is the essential must have part of
consciousness, therefore I think that Information is as close as you can
get to the traditional
I recall that Martin Buber based on some Midrash commentary suggested
that I-Thou experiences will stay with the soul but I-It will not.
Richard
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 1:54 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
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On Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:33:11 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
EM waves and fields clearly exist in spacetime.
How do you know that they don't exist in matter?
Yet I would classify
them along with quantum waves as part of the quantum mind and
nonphysical.
I don't see anything as
On 1/11/2013 11:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/11/2013 9:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
??? Who asked you to? I guess you're unaware that hydroelectric generators depend on
solar energy? And that the energy in coal and oil came from the Sun. And that it's not
an either-or choice. And that the Sun shines all the time, just not on your spot? And
that energy can be stored? I
On 1/12/2013 3:03 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
As you observe, beliefs can be slippery, because reason is the devil's whore.
Can you give any reason to believe that?
That's why we Lutherans rely first on faith (trust in God).
Second on the Bible.
So did Martin Luther rely on faith
On 1/12/2013 3:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
What are its tenets that you believe on faith?
That there is something different from me.
But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant
On 1/12/2013 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2013, at 07:00, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
He [me] would rather avoid those topics altogether and take solace in
denying
specific
On 1/12/2013 3:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 12 Jan 2013, at 07:30, meekerdb wrote:
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/11/2013 2:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Jan
On 1/12/2013 7:19 PM, meekerdb wrote:
??? Who asked you to? I guess you're unaware that hydroelectric
generators depend on solar energy? And that the energy in coal and
oil came from the Sun. And that it's not an either-or choice. And
that the Sun shines all the time, just not on your
On 11 Jan 2013, at 23:42, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/11/2013 2:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:25 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 1/11/2013 2:27:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, jasonre...@gmail.com
writes:
1) Choose some religion, it doesn't matter which
2)
On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Le me add some meat here
The Seven Hermetic Principles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTFCpkrM2iI
=.
1. The Universe is something Intellectual.
2. As above, so below.
3. From potential to active existence.
4. Everything in the Universe can vibrate.
5. Everything in the Universe has its cause.
6. Everything in the
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