Re: No Wonder philosophers suck!

A great post Stephen thanks Well, in fact what the post says is that the ones that sucks are the logical positivists (and their dwarfs, the scientists), who took over the power in Modernland. I take this phrase, which IMHO describes very well what is inside of what "In fact, the opposite is tru

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> A block universe does not allow for consciousness. >>> The fact the we all possess consciousness, so we think,

No Wonder philosophers suck!

http://geopolicraticus.tumblr.com/post/34741184431/post-positivist-thought What a mess! -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Hateful

On 1/30/2013 12:06 AM, Kim Jones wrote: "we do WHOSE will"??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Are we still happy with our chosen values? K Hard for Gozer the Gozerian to be infinite, eternal, Omnisie

Re: Hateful

"we do WHOSE will"??? I mean, what if God turns out to be a gigantic chicken or the Michelin Man? Are we still happy with our chosen values? K On 30/01/2013, at 4:01 PM, "Stephen P. King" wrote: > On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer

Re: Hateful

On 1/29/2013 11:13 PM, Kim Jones wrote: This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer. Given it is recited or sung by the entire student body and staff at a good many schools and other institutions you would have to assume that it's all fundamentally good stuff. Teach us, good Lord, to

Hateful

This is a pretty well-worn, oft-used, school prayer. Given it is recited or sung by the entire student body and staff at a good many schools and other institutions you would have to assume that it's all fundamentally good stuff. Teach us, good Lord, to serve thee as thou deserves; to give and

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:39:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist >> > wrote: >> >> A block universe does not allow

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:39:40 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou > > > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist > > > > wrote: > >> A block universe does not allow for consciousness. > >> The fact the we all possess c

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> A block universe does not allow for consciousness. >> The fact the we all possess consciousness, so we think, >> means that our universe is not completely blocked, >> although

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > A block universe does not allow for consciousness. > The fact the we all possess consciousness, so we think, > means that our universe is not completely blocked, > although the deviations from "block" may be minor > and inconsequential rega

Re: A real Cyborg

On 1/29/2013 5:49 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:57:18 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: http://vimeo.com/51920182 Comments? Very cool. I thought it was interesting how he said that the view of the ocean was not as nice as the supermarket shelves. To me t

Re: A real Cyborg

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:57:18 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > http://vimeo.com/51920182 > > Comments? > Very cool. I thought it was interesting how he said that the view of the ocean was not as nice as the supermarket shelves. To me that validates the importance of the sense mo

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On 1/29/2013 4:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 03:46:18PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/29/2013 9:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: A block universe does not allow for consciousness. Indeed! How is it even possible for any part of the block to have anything like "s

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:14 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I am very glad with all your posts on religion, as they confirm my >> theory according to which (strong) atheists are (strong) Christians in >> disguise. >> > > Wow, calling a guy known for disl

A real Cyborg

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Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

John, Your rhetoric may work in other places where you argue with religious people but I, and probably others on this list, find it rather unconvincing. Jason On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:14 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > I am very glad with all your post

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 03:46:18PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 1/29/2013 9:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >A block universe does not allow for consciousness. > > Indeed! How is it even possible for any part of the block to > have anything like "something that is it is like to be consci

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > I am very glad with all your posts on religion, as they confirm my theory > according to which (strong) atheists are (strong) Christians in disguise. > Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I n

Re: meditation

On 1/29/2013 9:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:27, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long and deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the big bang is

Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

On 1/29/2013 9:04 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: A block universe does not allow for consciousness. Indeed! How is it even possible for any part of the block to have anything like "something that is it is like to be conscious of some other portion of the block"? The fact the we all possess

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

On 1/29/2013 8:49 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:33 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: .Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spirit If triangles made a God they would give him three sides / Charles de Montesquieu . Persian Letters, 1721 / # There were

Re: meditation

On 1/29/2013 8:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Jan 2013, at 07:09, meekerdb wrote: On 1/26/2013 9:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think what you are describing comes automatically with comp, as any observer only knows their direct observations, which could be created by any one of an infinite

Re: meditation

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:20:11 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Bruno Marchal > > > wrote: > > > > On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:27, Stephen P. King wrote: > > > >> On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >>> > >>> The big bang remains awkward with computat

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Jan 2013, at 15:57, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:09:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> I would like a semi-axiomatic definition of "sensory", to make this more >> palatable.

Re: meditation

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:27, Stephen P. King wrote: > >> On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long and >>> deep computations is going through our state, but comp su

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:18:25 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:05:28 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >> >>> Hi Craig, >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinbe

Re: meditation

On 27 Jan 2013, at 20:46, meekerdb wrote: On 1/27/2013 5:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 23:12, meekerdb wrote: On 1/25/2013 8:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Even the idea that we are unconscious during deep sleep does not convince me. We could be conscious but without read

Re: Martin Luther on Rationality

On 27 Jan 2013, at 19:53, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Bruno, You sill say interesting things even in a thread that has fallen deep in the boring hole of Reductio at Hitlerum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum Well ... Thanks :) Actually, it happens that I appreciate rather

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

" The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible." / Albert Einstein / On Jan 29, 2:49 pm, Richard Ruquist wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:33 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net > > wrote: > > .Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spi

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 27 Jan 2013, at 15:57, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:09:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: I would like a semi-axiomatic definition of "sensory", to make this more palatable. I try to get a theory of sense, and I can't take that notion for granted, even if I ag

Re: Facts vs values

On 25 Jan 2013, at 13:33, Roger Clough wrote: I have no conflict being a scientist when I deal with science, and being a Christian when I deal with the Bible. Of course we differ on this. For me "science" does not exist, only scientific attitude. And I consider that the scientific a

Re: meditation

On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:27, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/27/2013 7:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The big bang remains awkward with computationalism. It suggest a long and deep computations is going through our state, but comp suggest that the big bang is not the beginning. Dear Bruno, I th

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:31, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Without religion, science is pseudo-religion That's OK with me. Religion is bullshit, We have discuss this. You confuse religion with clericalism. By saying gross statement like "religion is bulls

Re: Facts vs values

John, On 27 Jan 2013, at 18:09, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, a brilliant statement. I use the more polite word 'agnosticism' for 'ignorance'. No problem. This conveys the main idea. In our 'absence of knowledge' (how 'bout that?) we try hard to develop some faith in a setup explaining

Re: Re: Lessons from the Block Universe

A block universe does not allow for consciousness. The fact the we all possess consciousness, so we think, means that our universe is not completely blocked, although the deviations from "block" may be minor and inconsequential regarding the Omega Point. Richard. On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:18 PM,

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:33 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > .Everybody creates his God according to his own image and spirit > If triangles made a God they would give him three sides > / Charles de Montesquieu . Persian Letters, 1721 / > # > There were people who said ‘God ‘ and thought ab

Re: meditation

On 27 Jan 2013, at 07:09, meekerdb wrote: On 1/26/2013 9:53 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think what you are describing comes automatically with comp, as any observer only knows their direct observations, which could be created by any one of an infinite number of possible programs going thro

Re: Misconceptions of Natural Selection and Evolution

On Monday, January 28, 2013 4:10:48 PM UTC-5, JohnM wrote: > > Craig: > beautiful series. Mostly agreeable terms. > I used some of it in a slightly different sense, but not oppositional; > Thanks John, I like your comments a lot as well and I think they add to the discussion... > > *Organism

Re: On military spending

Hi Roger, > 2) At the same time, this corporate welfare provides jobs and stimulates > the economy. > Jobs and the economy are just a means to an end -- resource management. I think we've really lost sight of what we want at a very fundamental level. Nobody wants a job* or a strong economy. Wha

Re: Re: The "fairness" argument and women in the infantry

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:05:28 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > >> Hi Craig, >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 7:24:11 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: >

A relatively simple explanation of memory and Sheldrake's morphisms

IMHO I believe there is a simple way to understand Sheldrake's morphisms, which is to give up our usual physical or scientific measure of time and adopt Leibniz's indexed version of time. In his metaphysics, time is not a physical variable, but is an indexed ordering of events in terms of stacks