On 20 March 2014 14:28, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Again, consider this to all be revised again in our lifetimes.
I know. Wonderful, isn't it?!
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Yes, or neomarxist, neostalinst, die-offs. Billionaire, elites, pols, greens,
Marxists, sort of a toxic stew. Obama, the UN, the EU. Good problems to attack,
but merely using them as an excuse for control and exploitation. No technical
responses, only, more totalitarianism.
Paint and troll
Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal, all
uranium, all petro that all cities and cars. There are wonderful looking
projects that have been proposed for 50 years, that for technical reasons,
cannot achieve much, other than getting cheers from admirers in the
2014-03-20 14:34 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com:
Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all
coal, all uranium, all petro that all cities and cars.
No it doesn't have to... it's not because it can't currently replace
everything that it can't replace part of it... and it
Good point, but this is what things are veering towards, or we are already
there! Plutocracy, rule by the rich, who influence purchased politicians, who
know how to successfully bribe people who want food stamps (in the US), who
need free cell phones, who need free health services (no matter
Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the lights,
take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy coal, or
horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to replace it?!! Why
that will take decades and the catastrophe is already upon us.
2014-03-20 14:55 GMT+01:00 spudboy...@aol.com:
Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the
lights, take a bike.
What sort of crazy are you ? Why are you adding things not written ? Can
you just count in binary ? Everything is always an all or nothing in your
mind ?
I am pragmatic enough to see that if government worked best on tackling a
problem, I would endorse it. There does seem to be a rule of elites, a ruling
class, in effect, worldwide, that consists of billionaires, their politicians,
and academics, media, union leaders, and their choices in
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the
lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy
coal, or horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to
replace it?!! Why
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 12:05:08 AM UTC-4, Liz R wrote:
On 20 March 2014 15:25, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
It means that birds squawk because they like the feeling and sound of it.
The intention of using the squawking to convey information is optional and
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:25:44 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
But all the forms of language do share a common logical basis, according
to many linguists. How is it relevant to the logic of a language that it
Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com Wrote:
you made a sweeping statement that If there are 2 different states of
the universe that could have produced things as they are now then the laws
of physics are not reversible.
Yes I said that and is one of the most non-controversial things I ever
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:25:44 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:06:37 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
But all the forms of language do share a common logical basis, according
to
On 3/20/2014 9:10 AM, John Clark wrote:
The fact remains that if Entropy is proportional to the logarithm of the number of
microstates something can be in and still have the same macrostate then it's also
proportional to the logarithm of the number of ways the thing could have been produced
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
It formed increasingly high-level associations between bundles of
sensory data, eventually also combining sounds and vocal behavior into
those
Quentin, simply make your choice. Are you trusting of this mix of politicians
and billionaires doing what is smart on energy and the environment, or are you
suspicious of these guys because they appear to be doing poor job on either?
Inconsistencies in behavior regarding public policy, a lack
On 3/20/2014 9:10 AM, John Clark wrote:
WHY?? How would it change anything about how we imagine the world works? Regardless of
what English word you call it if X is proportional to the logarithm of the number of
microstates something can be in and still have the same macrostate then X is also
Tackling thing technically will save lots or preaching, in emails, and public
speaking. For example, if you cook all your food by wood-gathering, you are
more likely to disrupt the forests by your gatherings. If you have access to
cheap solar, wind, and maybe natural gas lines, then the urge
Spud,
Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used
firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead
trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes.
Only very rarely do I cut a live tree when it's clearly on its last legs
On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:45, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:02:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:18:58 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I'm
On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:58, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
I think the argument usually goes like this:
Suppose there's an infinite ensemble of the computations that
include a mental state that remembers having been you as you are
now. There are a lot of details needed to support such a mental
Very nice Richard. Not easy read though, but you preach a choir. I
believe that string theory is testable. Like comp.
Yet, even if string theory is confirmed, we would still have to
derived it from comp, if it is the real theory, and not a local
panorama.
Bruno
On 19 Mar 2014, at
On 19 Mar 2014, at 21:21, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:19:52 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 23:19, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:46:23 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:03, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am
On 19 Mar 2014, at 23:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/19/2014 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome?
I am not sure you are 100% serious on this, but the question is
very interesting, so I will make some
On 19 Mar 2014, at 23:53, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
I still remember back maybe in the 1990's, having to keep a sick
bucket nearby, for every tirme some daft comp scientist wheeled
himself out to say consciousness was purely about processing speed.
Remember that one? That was pretty big in
On 3/20/2014 11:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Mar 2014, at 23:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/19/2014 9:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Mar 2014, at 22:20, ghib...@gmail.com mailto:ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Sodid anyone's ToE predict this outcome?
I am not sure you are 100% serious on
Hi Russell and everyone
I appreciate the comments in the thread such as those on entropy vs
universe dynamics which reveal the fact that I may be somewhat old school
re physics.
In the blog discussion I pointed to in my earlier post I do cover many
points.
For example at definition #3, I
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:12:33 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
It looks like you have not yet grasped the UDA.
My post was not about the UDA; your comments are appreciated but they miss
the mark widely.
-Gabe
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On 21 March 2014 05:10, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com Wrote:
you made a sweeping statement that If there are 2 different states of
the universe that could have produced things as they are now then the laws
of physics are not reversible.
Yes I
Lubos Motl has a good discussion of what's ruled out on his blog.
http://motls.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/bicep2-some-winners-and-losers.html
Very interesting! (IF)
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On 21 March 2014 02:34, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Please remember, solar, to remediate, must replace all nat gas, all coal,
all uranium, all petro that all cities and cars.
What do you mean by this? Why couldn't solar replace SOME of the above?
I'm sorry but you haven't really answered my
On 21 March 2014 06:24, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Spud,
Using firewood properly done does NOT disrupt the forest. I've used
firewood for heating most of my life including currently. I use only dead
trees from my own property (16 acres), not taking any with nesting holes.
Only
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:55 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Very well, go ahead and power it all down. Shut off the cars, kill the
lights, take a bike. Are you suggesting that we continue to burn filthy
coal, or horrible uranium, while we try to goose up solar and wind to
replace it?!! Why
You have a point, Edgar, and you yourself do not have a bad effect on the
environment. However, a billion and one half fellow firewood gatherers, might
have a more profound impact, and they may do a bit more than chopping then you
do. Following Maslow's hierarchy of needs, when peoples
Spud,
The best, likely the only, way to protect the environment is to drastically
reduce human overpopulation. Down to pre-industrial levels would be a good
target ~half to 1 billion...
Anyway if we don't do it ourselves the environment will do it for us...
Edgar
On Thursday, March 20,
Oh we can. However the environmentalists and their funders indicate that its
all over, and kiss it all goodbye I profoundly disagree and guess that there's
plenty of time before the shit hits the fan. Panic is the tool or those wishing
to benefit from political rush to judgment. I submit that
I am very ok with a transition, I believe we have the time. But I maintain that
we won't get there with controlling people, but we can with innovations in
technology. What I oppose is using AGW as an excuse to rule the serfs. Here's
a break down from The Guardian, which you may guess is not
Edgar, understood. But this shouldn't be the top of our priority, unless we are
spreading homo sapiens to various parts of the solar system where humanity, and
biomes, can be sustained for a very long time. Getting away from science
fiction, there are things we can do until this golden
Spudboy100,
I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a
looming environmental / resources problem, and that we should use
technology to make a transition to more renewable energy sources and so on.
And you agree that we should ideally reduce the population long term
Sorry that should read equal opportunitie*d* - serves me right for
throwing in a neologism.
On 21 March 2014 14:23, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Spudboy100,
I'm not sure where you're coming from. You seem to agree that there is a
looming environmental / resources problem, and that we
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 1:01:43 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:16:19 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 11:09:39 AM UTC-4, Gabriel Bodeen wrote:
It formed increasingly high-level associations between bundles of
sensory
An article on the secrecy involved.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/03/secret-bicep-inflation/
On 21 March 2014 11:58, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Lubos Motl has a good discussion of what's ruled out on his blog.
Yay! More gravity waves! [?]
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/01/wired-space-photo-of-the-day-2014#slide-id-513201:full
On 21 March 2014 15:37, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
An article on the secrecy involved.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/03/secret-bicep-inflation/
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