Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:20:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Mar 2014, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:27:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: Why don't we see such a (meta) link

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:16:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:27:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:16:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Mar 2014, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:27:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: Why don't we see such a (meta) link in our own languages? Because we duplicate too slowly, unlike amoeba, which have not

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-03 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:16:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Mar 2014, at 13:06, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:31:25 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Mar 2014, at 06:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: consciousness is deflated to the sum of a set of functions. That does not happen in the computationalist theory. No 1p things are ever representable into a 3p thing. There are no 3p description of []p p; That simply cannot exist, except,

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 2 March 2014 16:49, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: You have too simplistic a view of what function means in the context of an intelligent being. I think that you have too naive a view of what function means. That is actually your whole problem: you look at machine, imagine

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-02 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, why, in a

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:45 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 15:22, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: In other words,

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:31:25 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:45 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 15:22, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 03:02,

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:31:25 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 28

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread LizR
Excuse my ignorance, but what is this functionalism that is supposedly disproved by AHS? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:42:13 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:45 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 15:22, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday,

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:48:42 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:31:25 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:56:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is this functionalism that is supposedly disproved by AHS? Functionalism, as I see it, is the philosophy that consciousness is purely a byproduct of specific functions, either physical or mathematical

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-03-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 2 March 2014 16:55, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is an observable difference in the body with AHS: the subject says that it doesn't feel like his hand. They don't have to say anything. They can keep their symptoms to themselves if they want. So can a blind person

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-28 Thread David Nyman
On 27 February 2014 16:43, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:47:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-28 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:29:52 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 27 February 2014 16:43, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:47:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: In

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-28 Thread David Nyman
On 28 February 2014 16:44, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:29:52 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 27 February 2014 16:43, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:47:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 27

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Friday, February 28, 2014, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 26

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a breakable program to keep telling us

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-28 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 15:22, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a breakable

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary movement and a concomitant inability to distinguish the affected hand from an

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:17:31 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 26 February 2014 12:58, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread David Nyman
On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? When you start by assuming that I'm always wrong, then it becomes very easy to

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:47:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? When you

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe cases

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread LizR
On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? Or contrariwise, why do you need a breakable programme to tell you that it's your

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? Or

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-27 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote:

Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-26 Thread Craig Weinberg
The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary movement and a concomitant inability to distinguish the affected hand from an examiner's hand when these were placed in the patient's unaffected

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

2014-02-26 Thread David Nyman
On 26 February 2014 12:58, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary movement and a concomitant inability to distinguish the affected hand from an