yet.
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On 7/15/2014 2:40 PM, spudboy100 via
On 7/15/2014 2:40 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
sounds interesting-how is performance/maintenance?
Cars can be transitioned to electric power pretty easily. I just bought a
Chevy
Volt and
over the first thousand miles we've burned less than 7gal of gas.
It will
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But continue your technocratic discussion. How many kilowats are
necessary for whatever stupid nothingness.
You look like the youngs of the nazi germany dreaming in a future
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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I can think of few things more disgusting or economically ridiculous
that 18 square miles of stagnant salt water algae ponds in the desert.
Actually there are pilot installations already
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:01 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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18 square miles of empty Arizona desert could yield around two hundred
thousand tons of high grade jet quality biofuel
That sounds about right to me. And I can think of few things
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An all electric plane may never arrive, but through materials science, using
materials like graphenes
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I saw that webpage, but it didn't quote anything, nor give any form of
justification. [...] I'm thinking that the velocity factor needed to
compute maximum power
ought to perhaps be exhaust gas velocity anyway. It
A few small jets for the world elite and their big families would be enough.
The few millions TV watchers remaining from the depopulation,
indoctrinated and impoverished, will applaud to the passing jets in
the ground.
2014-07-14 17:51 GMT+02:00, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jul
Among the grateful TV watchers, the comrades chris solar Morsella
and Quentin Burner anciaux will enjoy a good life as eco-policemen
and will be allowed to earn an motorcycle build on Cuba that will
produce healty proletarian smog.
2014-07-14 18:31 GMT+02:00, Alberto G. Corona
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You both are so dumby stupids that are horrorizing your own comrades.
Not for what you say, but because this hasn´t to be made explicit.
You denounce us evil planetarians, with such burning eloquence,
On 7/14/2014 6:42 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
You both are so dumby stupids that are horrorizing your own comrades.
Not for what you say, but because this hasn´t to be made explicit.
Looks like Alberto is off his meds again - and off topic.
Brent
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produce
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You both are so dumby stupids that are horrorizing your own comrades.
Not for what you say, but because this hasn´t to be made explicit.
Looks like Alberto is off his meds
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So it looks like my estimate that if you want to go with solar then a
factory that covered 6 square miles of the Earth’s surface would be needed
to keep just one 747 in the air may have been
will air travel work in a green solar economy?
A few small jets for the world elite and their big families would be enough.
The few millions TV watchers remaining from the depopulation,
indoctrinated and impoverished, will applaud to the passing jets in
the ground.
2014-07-14 17:51 GMT+02:00
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I saw that webpage, but it didn't quote anything, nor give any form of
justification. [...] I'm thinking that the velocity factor needed
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:32 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
You don't need to consider any of that to see if the figure I used, 140
megawatts of average power, is in the right ballpark needed to keep a 747
in the air. At takeoff a 747 can hold 60,000 gallons of gasoline and stay
in
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You
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Though algae biofuels are quite ready for prime time yet [...]
Biofuel is the fuel of the future, and always will be. And Chris, 18 square
miles of stinking unpleasant algae ponds
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So
On 7/14/2014 1:24 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
An all electric plane may never arrive, but through materials science, using
materials like graphenes, like superconducting materials, that day may arrive
soon. On the other hand, it might be easier to make magnetic confinement fusion
You are too naive.
Don´t subestimate human stupidity. Stupidity is infinite, it goes
beyond what can produce this list.
Once a cheap and abundant source of clean power is discovered, chances
are that will be not well received by the eco-elite.
It is more, it will be considered as a disaster
It is more, once wind turbines and solar panes started to be installed
in mass quantitites, that was heavily opposed by the hard ecologists
with excuses so excentric as they endanger the aestetic, they distract
the passing birds and so on. Once they saw that the production of
electricity and the
But continue your technocratic discussion. How many kilowats are
necessary for whatever stupid nothingness.
You look like the youngs of the nazi germany dreaming in a future of
peace,, running happy trough the green country when the first jew
stablishments started to be burned in the cities. You
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I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor, do I
see
fusion coming along in two decades. For spaceflight, yes, for
commercial
power, we just don't seem to be lucky with the physics
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I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor,
do I
see
fusion coming along in two decades. For spaceflight, yes, for
commercial
power, we
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Le 13 juil. 2014 10:34, Alberto G
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Textile plants demand also a lot of energy. Do will be allowed to use the Mao
suit at least?
What textile plants?... Didn't they all get outsourced to
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 6:42 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List
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I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power
Unfortunately I don't see people rushing into thorium power either, at
least in the West, but it needn't have been that way; as I
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:12 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Desalinization works commercially, or does it?
What you need to make a desalination plant successful is exactly the same
thing you need to cure world poverty in general, lots and lots of
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Desalinization works commercially, or does it?
What you need to
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naturally, you are entitled to your opinions
Thanks, and you are entitled to my opinions too.
however they do not seem to be supported by statistics,
Take a look at this:
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On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:33 PM, 'Chris de
John K trhanks for your crusade for desalination, a topic FOR which I
worked the 1st 40 years of my career (1947-87) both in matrerial
development and technology studies. Unfortunately BIG Money prefers profit
and not the deveopment of long-term introductory branches.
One of the most promising
government subsidies. And
electricity isn't the only part of the energy pie.
John K Clark
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I don't see people rushing into uranium and thorium power, nor, do
I saw that webpage, but it didn't quote anything, nor give any form of
justification.
Brent gave one, that perhaps was peak power at the end of ascent,
but it still doesn't sound quite right to me. Once an aeroplane is
airborne and landing gear is retracted, maximum thrust is no longer
needed.
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On 7/12/2014 5:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
I saw that webpage, but it didn't quote anything, nor give any form of
justification.
Brent gave one, that perhaps was peak power at the end of ascent,
but it still doesn't sound quite right to me. Once an aeroplane is
airborne and landing gear is
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On 11 July 2014 17:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/10/2014 10:16 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 July 2014 06:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/10/2014 12:59 AM, LizR wrote:
Without claiming to be a wiser head, I will still say that you don't use
747s in a green economy!
On 7/11/2014 12:12 AM, LizR wrote:
On 11 July 2014 17:26, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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On 7/10/2014 10:16 PM, LizR wrote:
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On 7/10/2014 12:59 AM,
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
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I wonder where the 140MW factoid comes from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28power%29
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Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes, so
let’s see how many solar cells would be needed to make the fuel to
keep one in the air. A 747 jet uses on average 140 megawatts of
Without claiming to be a wiser head, I will still say that you don't use
747s in a green economy! You use airships... And you reduce air traffic by
getting almost everyone to telecommute.
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
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IIRC, the average insolation is something like 1kW/m^2, so that would
make John's solar cells around 3% efficient
At noon under ideal conditions a square meter of solar cells can produce
about 150 watts, but
On 7/10/2014 12:28 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 04:34:07PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/9/2014 10:51 AM, John Clark wrote:
Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes, so
let’s see how many solar cells would be needed to make the fuel to
keep one in the air.
On 7/10/2014 12:59 AM, LizR wrote:
Without claiming to be a wiser head, I will still say that you don't use 747s in a green
economy! You use airships... And you reduce air traffic by getting almost everyone to
telecommute.
The trouble with airships is that they slow and they can't handle bad
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The problem is not what a green economy would sustain, but where the
mass hysteria of the self appointed planet savers would be redirected
when they find that the planet does no longer need to be saved, except
from themselves.
I guess that they will be inmediately concerned by micro-agressions
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 01:23:35PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
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IIRC, the average insolation is something like 1kW/m^2, so that would
make John's solar cells around 3% efficient
At noon under ideal conditions a
On 7/10/2014 4:42 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 01:23:35PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
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IIRC, the average insolation is something like 1kW/m^2, so that would
make John's solar cells around 3%
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 06:00:14PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:28 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
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IIRC, the average insolation is something like
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On 11 July 2014 06:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 7/10/2014 12:59 AM, LizR wrote:
Without claiming to be a wiser head, I will still say that you don't use
747s in a green economy! You use airships... And you reduce air traffic by
getting almost everyone to telecommute.
The
By the way, it looks like the US economy is starting to green...
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2014/jul/06/sheldon-whitehouse/there-are-already-more-american-jobs-solar-industr
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Without claiming to be a wiser head, I will still say that you don't
use 747s in
a green economy! You use
Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes, so let’s see how
many solar cells would be needed to make the fuel to keep one in the air. A
747 jet uses on average 140 megawatts of power, incidentally even the old
fashioned nuclear reactor on a Nimitz class aircraft carrier can
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Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes,
Liquid hydrogen
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Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes,
Liquid hydrogen is hard to make and store (it needs to be liquefied to
near
On 7/9/2014 10:51 AM, John Clark wrote:
Liquid Hydrogen would be a pretty good fuel for airplanes, so let’s see how many solar
cells would be needed to make the fuel to keep one in the air. A 747 jet uses on average
140 megawatts of power, incidentally even the old fashioned nuclear reactor on
On 7/9/2014 11:19 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
Liquid hydrogen is hard to make and store (it needs to be liquefied to near absolute
zero -- an energy intensive process all by itself); the volumetric density of liquid
hydrogen is not all that impressive either. Liquid
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