Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:40 PM wrote: *> the concept of a plane wave, one of the solutions of Maxwell's > equations. It certainly doesn't exist in THIS universe* I agree with the general point you're trying to make, just because something can be consistently described mathematically doesn't

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:55:57 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > Logical consistency is a relation between sentences. It's not about > existence. The sentences might be about the existence of something, but > that's different. Or the sentences may have variables quantified by >

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 7:55:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/26/2018 1:03 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> OK. But it

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/26/2018 1:14 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:03:07 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/26/2018 1:03 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to make unnecessary assumption.

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 11:59:28 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > As a practical matter though, AI and agent programmers have to deal with > inconsistent information in the world: > > https://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/632319/ > https://arxiv.org/abs/1708.02851 >

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 3:14:05 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:03:07 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

t;> >>> >>> If it's what I think it is, it's demonstrably wrong. One counter example >>> suffices; there are plane wave solutions to Maxwell's equations, but if you >>> know what plane waves are, they clearly do NOT exist in physical reality. >>> If

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:03:07 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to make unnecessary >> assumption. >> > > My only ontological assumption is that

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

you >> know what plane waves are, they clearly do NOT exist in physical reality. >> If this is correct, other models also fall by the wayside. AG >> > > *What I don't get is why this is a topic which generates so much interest, > when it is easily falsified. AG*

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to make unnecessary > assumption. > My only ontological assumption is that existence is logical consistency. This assumption gives rise to the set-theoretic

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 9:32:04 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 1:02:36 AM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Hello I think this good forum for this topic - what do you think about >> Mathematical Universe, there are very big

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Hi Tomas, > as I see it, my ontology, whose relational aspect is defined by the relation > of similarity (and its special kinds - instantiation and composition), > includes your ontology, because pure set theory includes arithmetic. OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to make

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 3:47:39 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > Bruno, > > as I see it, my ontology, whose relational aspect is defined by the > relation of similarity (and its special kinds - instantiation and > composition), includes your ontology, because pure set theory includes

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Bruno, as I see it, my ontology, whose relational aspect is defined by the relation of similarity (and its special kinds - instantiation and composition), includes your ontology, because pure set theory includes arithmetic. You may be right that arithmetic is sufficient to define physics but

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Hi Thomas, Sorry for the delay, busy days, see the mail only now. > On 22 Oct 2018, at 19:15, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 1:41:23 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The computable universe hypothesis cannot make sense. To define “computable” > you need to

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 22, 2018 at 1:41:23 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The computable universe hypothesis cannot make sense. To define > “computable” you need to assume arithmetic. But arithmetic executes all > computations, and the measure problem will have to involve infinities. > So

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 21 Oct 2018, at 21:59, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:30:54 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:22:20 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > BTW, on "non-relations [which] are the non-mathematical objects and they (or > at

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 21 Oct 2018, at 18:30, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:22:20 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > BTW, on "non-relations [which] are the non-mathematical objects and they (or > at least some of them) may be the qualities of consciousness (qualia)", that > is

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 21 Oct 2018, at 18:12, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:52:13 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > If our universe does not have infinitely-computing objects but there are > other universes that do, that would seem strange. > > Why would our universe be left

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

te > mathematical entities are "ruining physics". > - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2015/02/20/infinity-ruining-physics/ > <http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2015/02/20/infinity-ruining-physics/> > > > The only thing to conclude is that Mad

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:16:29 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/21/2018 7:11 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > I am generally sympathetic to Tegmark's mathematical multiverse idea, but > I have two comments/criticisms to it: > > 1) I am not sure whether Tegmark is aware of the so-called

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/21/2018 7:11 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: I am generally sympathetic to Tegmark's mathematical multiverse idea, but I have two comments/criticisms to it: 1) I am not sure whether Tegmark is aware of the so-called "instantiation" relation. In philosophy, the instantiation relation is the

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:30:54 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:22:20 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> BTW, on "non-relations [which] are the non-mathematical objects and they >> (or at least some of them) may be the qualities of

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:22:20 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > BTW, on "non-relations [which] are the non-mathematical objects and they > (or at least some of them) may be the qualities of consciousness (qualia)", > that is what I try to address in > >

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 5:52:13 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > If our universe does not have infinitely-computing objects but there are > other universes that do, that would seem strange. > > Why would our universe be left out? :) > > The mathematical multiverse would contain all

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

believe that at all. He says infinite >> mathematical entities are "ruining physics". >> - >> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2015/02/20/infinity-ruining-physics/ >> >> >> The only thing to conclude is that Mad Max published his mathematical

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2015/02/20/infinity-ruining-physics/ > > > The only thing to conclude is that Mad Max published his mathematical > universe hypothesis as a joke! > - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_universe_hypothesis > Already in his Mathema

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

s >> > > > > > "reality contains all mathematical objects" > > > Ironically, Tegmark doesn't believe that at all. He says infinite > mathematical entities are "ruining physics". > - > http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2015/02/20/

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ciousness". > > Tomas > "reality contains all mathematical objects" Ironically, Tegmark doesn't believe that at all. He says infinite mathematical entities are "ruining physics". - http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2015/02/20/infinity-ruining-p

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

I am generally sympathetic to Tegmark's mathematical multiverse idea, but I have two comments/criticisms to it: 1) I am not sure whether Tegmark is aware of the so-called "instantiation" relation. In philosophy, the instantiation relation is the relation between a general and a particular

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 4 Oct 2018, at 18:51, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/4/2018 12:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> You need a universal machinery. Very elementary arithmetic (like Peano >> without induction) determines such a universal machinery (the phi_i), then, >> you get all the universal number u

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 4 Oct 2018, at 12:57, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 2:06:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Oct 2018, at 22:07, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> Suppose one starts with the PLTOS template: >> >> PLTOS(π,λ,τ,ο,Σ) designates a program π that

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/4/2018 12:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You need a universal machinery. Very elementary arithmetic (like Peano without induction) determines such a universal machinery (the phi_i), then, you get all the universal number u (such that phi_u(x,y) = phi_x(y), and each u defines its own

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 2:06:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Oct 2018, at 22:07, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > Suppose one starts with the PLTOS template: > > PLTOS(π,λ,τ,ο,Σ) designates a program π that is written in a language λ > that is transformed via a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 22:07, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 2:54:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Oct 2018, at 17:11, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:25:17 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 2 Oct 2018,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 2:54:46 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Oct 2018, at 17:11, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:25:17 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Oct 2018, at 09:53, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 2 Oct 2018, at 17:11, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:25:17 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Oct 2018, at 09:53, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:20:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 1 Oct 2018,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 9:25:17 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Oct 2018, at 09:53, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:20:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 2 Oct 2018, at 10:14, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 7:20:10 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Oct 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:47:47 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Sep

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> On 2 Oct 2018, at 09:53, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:20:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Oct 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:47:47 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Sep 2018,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 7:20:10 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Oct 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:47:47 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Sep 2018, at 16:30, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 30,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 2:20:10 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Oct 2018, at 14:20, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:47:47 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Sep 2018, at 16:30, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 1 Oct 2018, at 14:20, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:47:47 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 30 Sep 2018, at 16:30, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 4:50:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> [Re:]

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:33:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/1/2018 12:32 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 6:14:22 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/30/2018 7:58 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 5:05:27 AM

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On 10/1/2018 12:32 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 6:14:22 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 9/30/2018 7:58 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 5:05:27 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Sep 2018, at 08:03, Philip Thrift

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 5:26:18 PM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com wrote: > > Agrays: >> >> I don't see how Bruno answered your question when he misstated and >> doesn't understand the MUH. Yet you thank him and not me. AG >> > > No, I thanked everybody in this topic in my earlier message,

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Agrays: > > I don't see how Bruno answered your question when he misstated and doesn't > understand the MUH. Yet you thank him and not me. AG > No, I thanked everybody in this topic in my earlier message, and here I thanked Bruno not for answer about MUH but about Gerald Edelman movie.

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 2:59 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *>It has been estimated that simulating a single neuron requires a > micro-controller like an AVR, which contains 80,000 transistors.* And 4 years ago in 2014 the human race manufactured 2.5 * 10^20 transistors, that works out to 8 trillion

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:26 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > I think (along with Philip Goff*) that physics is not complete in its > study of matter. > That is very true, today physics has no idea what Dark Energy or Dark Matter is and they make up 95% of the matter/energy in the universe. And

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:47:47 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Sep 2018, at 16:30, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 4:50:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> [Re:] forcing theory in set theories with classes. >> >> >> Bruno >> >> >> > Do you

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 30 Sep 2018, at 16:30, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 4:50:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > [Re:] forcing theory in set theories with classes. > > > Bruno > > > > Do you follow the work of Joel David Hamkins (forcing applied to > set-theoretic

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 30 Sep 2018, at 13:42, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, kujawski...@gmail.com > wrote: > Hello I think this good forum for this topic - what do you think about > Mathematical Universe, there are very big arguments for that hypothesis: >

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 6:14:22 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/30/2018 7:58 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 5:05:27 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 30 Sep 2018, at 08:03, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> *What is a computer?* >> >> A

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 9/30/2018 7:58 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 5:05:27 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Sep 2018, at 08:03, Philip Thrift > wrote: *What is a computer?* A computer is a device that executes programs. If we can synthesize bacteria that

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 5:05:27 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 30 Sep 2018, at 08:03, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > *What is a computer?* > > A computer is a device that executes programs. > > If we can synthesize bacteria that execute programs (which we can do), > then

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 4:50:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > [Re:] forcing theory in set theories with classes. > > > Bruno > > > Do you follow the work of Joel David Hamkins (forcing applied to set-theoretic "multiverse", etc.) (I have a basic idea of a type-theoretic parallel

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:02:36 PM UTC-5, kujawski...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello I think this good forum for this topic - what do you think about > Mathematical Universe, there are very big arguments for that hypothesis: > > - applicability of mathematic, to natural sciences > - all

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 30 Sep 2018, at 11:58, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 9:40:07 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:34, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:16:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 30 Sep 2018, at 11:53, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 9:35:18 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:16, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 10:41:42 AM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 9:53:06 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 9:35:18 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:16, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 10:41:42 AM UTC, Philip Thrift

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 30 Sep 2018, at 08:41, kujawskilucja...@gmail.com wrote: > > Bruno Marchal thank you for your anwser. > > Physicist Paul Benioff make interesting idea > https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0201093 > that mathematics and laws of physics coemerged somehow randomly. I will take a look, but

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> On 30 Sep 2018, at 08:03, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:28:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >

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> On 30 Sep 2018, at 07:30, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:28:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 9/29/2018 1:45 PM, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> On

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 22:52, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 9/29/2018 1:45 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:07:12 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 9/29/2018 4:34 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> A bacteria

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On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 9:40:07 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:34, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:16:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday,

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 20:59, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 9/29/2018 12:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, agrayson2...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:49:37 PM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com

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On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 9:35:18 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:16, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 10:41:42 AM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 4:48:44 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 14:59, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:34:15 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:16:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > A bacteria is already a computer (at least), > > > Really? Then

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:34, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:16:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:49:37 PM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com >>

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 13:16, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 10:41:42 AM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 4:48:44 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > It claims that all mathematical objects exist in

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 12:41, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 4:48:44 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > It claims that all mathematical objects exist in "physical" reality, which > is sort-of isomorphic or in some sense identical to these objects. That

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 11:48, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:22:30 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:57:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 29 Sep 2018, at 09:16, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >>

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edia.org/wiki/Mathematical_universe_hypothesis#cite_note-4> That is refuted by the mechanist hypothesis and its consequence, although it is less wrong that materialism, it fails to see that the physical is phenomenological. I have developed this with more details a long time ago

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 1:41:43 AM UTC-5, kujawski...@gmail.com wrote: > > Bruno Marchal thank you for your anwser. > > Physicist Paul Benioff make interesting idea > https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0201093 > that mathematics and laws of physics coemerged somehow randomly. > Thanks

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 6:48:14 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 6:41:43 AM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Bruno Marchal thank you for your anwser. >> >> Physicist Paul Benioff make interesting idea >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 6:41:43 AM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com wrote: > > Bruno Marchal thank you for your anwser. > > Physicist Paul Benioff make interesting idea > https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0201093 > that mathematics and laws of physics coemerged somehow randomly. > You

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Bruno Marchal thank you for your anwser. Physicist Paul Benioff make interesting idea https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0201093 that mathematics and laws of physics coemerged somehow randomly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.

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On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 1:03:12 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:28:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:53:04 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/29/2018 1:45 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:07:12 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2018 4:34 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> A bacteria is already a computer

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On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:28:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/29/2018 1:45 PM, agrays...@gmail.com

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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:28:34 PM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2018 1:45 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:07:12 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>>

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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/29/2018 1:45 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:07:12 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 9/29/2018 4:34 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> A bacteria is already a computer

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On 9/29/2018 1:45 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:07:12 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 9/29/2018 4:34 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: A bacteria is already a computer (at least), *Really? Then you should be able to identify the entities

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:07:12 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/29/2018 4:34 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > A bacteria is already a computer (at least), >> > > > *Really? Then you should be able to identify the entities that store > binary information. And where is the clock

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 9/29/2018 4:34 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: A bacteria is already a computer (at least), *Really? Then you should be able to identify the entities that store binary information. And where is the clock which pulses and advances the instruction pointer? And where is the

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On 9/29/2018 12:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:49:37 PM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you everybody for your responses. Bruno

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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:34:15 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:16:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> A bacteria is already a computer (at least), >> > > > *Really? Then you should be able to identify the entities that store

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:16:26 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 10:41:42 AM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 4:48:44 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> * It claims that all

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 7:16:41 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:49:37 PM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> Thank you everybody for your responses. >> >> Bruno Marchal I

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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 10:41:42 AM UTC, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 4:48:44 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> * It claims that all mathematical objects exist in "physical" reality, >> which is sort-of isomorphic or in some sense

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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 4:48:44 AM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > * It claims that all mathematical objects exist in "physical" reality, > which is sort-of isomorphic or in some sense identical to these objects. > That is, no dichotomy between "physical" and mathematical

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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:22:30 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 8:57:54 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 29 Sep 2018, at 09:16, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:40:05 AM UTC, Bruno

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The arithmeticalist thinks matter is fiction. The materialist thinks arithmetic is fiction. That's all I know. :) - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

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> On 29 Sep 2018, at 09:16, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:40:05 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Sep 2018, at 18:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:04:41 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On

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> On 28 Sep 2018, at 21:00, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 6:49:37 PM UTC, kujawski...@gmail.com wrote: > > Thank you everybody for your responses. > > Bruno Marchal I looked at your statement, they are very interesting but some > very good

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On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 6:40:05 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Sep 2018, at 18:37, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:04:41 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Sep 2018, at 11:32, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday,

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> On 28 Sep 2018, at 20:49, kujawskilucja...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Thank you everybody for your responses. > > Bruno Marchal I looked at your statement, they are very interesting but some > very good neruoscientists argue that brain is not like computer > Here for example (4min video)

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> On 28 Sep 2018, at 20:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 11:00:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Yet, I define matter by “the object of study of physics”, or the study of the > observable mode, making strong materialism implying physicalism. > > >

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