Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-03 Thread Alan Grayson
The interpretation of a superposition as representing a system that can be in one or the other state, is incompatible with interference experiments. *Please, if you can, elaborate why this is the case? AG* And physicist don't care much about interpretation and the language used to communicate

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Dec 2019, at 11:53, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:26:44 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 1 Dec 2019, at 09:51, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> It seems like a

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-02 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 3:58 PM smitra wrote: > On 01-12-2019 09:12, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:11:41 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > >> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: > >> > >> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-02 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:26:44 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 1 Dec 2019, at 09:51, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> It seems like a simple question aching for an answer. Why do physicists, >> many

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Dec 2019, at 09:51, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > It seems like a simple question aching for an answer. Why do physicists, many > of them at least, prefer a baffling unintelligible interpretation of >

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-02 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 5:58:20 PM UTC-6, smitra wrote: > > On 01-12-2019 09:12, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:11:41 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > >> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: > >> > >> On Monday,

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-01 Thread smitra
On 01-12-2019 09:12, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:11:41 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/17/2019 11:07 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-01 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 1:51:34 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> It seems like a simple question aching for an answer. Why do physicists, >> many of them at least, prefer a baffling unintelligible

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > It seems like a simple question aching for an answer. Why do physicists, > many of them at least, prefer a baffling unintelligible interpretation of > superposition, say in the case of a radioactive source, when the

Re: C60 Interference

2019-12-01 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:11:41 AM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/17/2019 11:07 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-26 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/17/2019 11:07 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> > >> > I forget if I raised this issue here or on another thread. I am >> > beginning to

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/17/2019 11:07 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > I forget if I raised this issue here or on another thread. I am > > beginning to doubt that isolation is possible. When a particle is > > created, how can it be

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/17/2019 11:07 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: I forget if I raised this issue here or on another thread. I am beginning to doubt that isolation is possible. When a particle is created, how can it be isolated from the environment? If it cannot be isolated, if it's never really isolated, the

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-17 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 3:37:43 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 3:12:37 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >> >> >>> On Mon, Nov 11,

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 14, 2019 at 3:12:37 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:35, Bruce Kellett > >> wrote: >> > > >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal > > wrote: >> >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 10:58 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson wrote: >> > > >> On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/14/2019 3:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:35, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Nov 2019, at 08:46, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 6:05:08 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 4:13:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 14 Nov 2019, at 00:03, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 12:14:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:44:35 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 12 Nov 2019, at 22:10, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-7, smitra wrote: > On 12-11-2019 01:02, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:40:04 PM UTC-7, smitra wrote: > > > >> On 11-11-2019 22:44, Alan Grayson wrote: > >>>

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 12 Nov 2019, at 22:06, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 8:28:22 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:24:44 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > >

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 11 Nov 2019, at 12:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson > wrote: > > On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-13 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 6:05:08 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 4:13:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-13 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 4:13:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 12:14:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> *The Concept of Probability in Quantum

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-13 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 4:59:25 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 12:14:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> *The Concept of Probability in Quantum Mechanics* >> *Richard P. Feynman* >> 1951 >>

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-13 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 3:59:25 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 12:14:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:44:35 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 2:06:01

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-13 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, November 13, 2019 at 12:14:31 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:44:35 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 2:06:01 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 12:14:26

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-13 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 8:28:22 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:24:44 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 5:58:30 PM

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:44:35 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 2:06:01 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 8:28:22 AM

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 2:06:01 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 8:28:22 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:24:44 AM

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-7, smitra wrote: > > On 12-11-2019 01:02, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:40:04 PM UTC-7, smitra wrote: > > > >> On 11-11-2019 22:44, Alan Grayson wrote: > >>> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-7, Bruce

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 12:14:26 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 8:28:22 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:24:44 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 5:58:30 PM

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread smitra
On 12-11-2019 01:02, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:40:04 PM UTC-7, smitra wrote: On 11-11-2019 22:44, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01,

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 8:28:22 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:24:44 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 5:58:30 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 2:52:25 PM

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 1:24:44 AM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 5:58:30 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 2:52:25 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:44:24 PM

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-12 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 5:58:30 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 2:52:25 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:44:24 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> In the case of a radioactive atom in state |decayed>

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-11 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:40:04 PM UTC-7, smitra wrote: > > On 11-11-2019 22:44, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-11 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 2:52:25 PM UTC-7, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:44:24 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-11 Thread smitra
On 11-11-2019 22:44, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: Once the cat

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 3:44:24 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >> >> >>> On Sunday, November 10,

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-11 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 4:35:13 AM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> > > >> On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Once the cat is alive +

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-11 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Once the cat is alive + dead, he remains in that state for ever. >> > > *Then how come we NEVER observe that

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 10 Nov 2019, at 20:01, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 8 Nov 2019, at 01:13, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> On 11/7/2019 6:21 AM, Bruno

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-10 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 8 Nov 2019, at 01:13, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 6:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Nov 2019, at 05:06, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 8 Nov 2019, at 01:13, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 11/7/2019 6:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-08 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 12:46:40 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:39:52 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:58:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/7/2019 8:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 11:39:52 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:58:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 8:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 10:58:13 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 8:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/7/2019 8:45 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:38:14 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/7/2019 8:06 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 9:06:44 PM UTC-7, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:47:15 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> There is no paradox. It's just some hang up you

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/7/2019 6:39 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: There is no paradox.  It's just some hang up you have that a cat can't be dead and alive at the same time.  It's as

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 7:48:15 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 1:42 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:27:22 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson >>> wrote: >>> On Thursday, November 7, 2019

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 1:42 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:27:22 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:27:22 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 6:25:37 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > There is no paradox. It's just some hang up you have that a cat can't be >> dead and alive at the same time. It's as though your physics was stuck in >> the time of Aristotle

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/7/2019 5:01 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: There is no paradox.  It's just some hang up you have that a cat can't be dead and alive at the same time.  It's as though your physics was stuck in the time of Aristotle and words were magic so that "Alive implies not-dead." was a law

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 12:01 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through double slits. >>> >>> What about sending cats? >>> >>> >>> You will loss the

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:25:56 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through double slits. >> >> What about sending cats? >> >> >> You will loss the ability to get the interference, because it is hugely >>

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:27 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:13 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: Aside from the isolation

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 5:20:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:13 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> Aside from the isolation problems the de Broglie wavelength of a cat is >>> extremely

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/7/2019 4:13 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: They've sent 2000-atom sized molecules through double slits. What about sending cats? You will loss the ability to get the interference, because it is hugely more complex to isolate a cat from the environment, so its alive or

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 11:13 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> Aside from the isolation problems the de Broglie wavelength of a cat is >> extremely small so to get an interference pattern the slit and slit spacing >> must be

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/7/2019 6:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/7/2019 6:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan Grayson > wrote: IIUC, as the temperature rises,

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 6 Nov 2019, at 10:34, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 >> experiment declines, and

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-06 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan Grayson > > wrote: > > IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 > experiment declines, and eventually disappears. I don't think this is > really a which-way

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Nov 2019, at 02:53, Alan Grayson wrote: > > IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 > experiment declines, and eventually disappears. I don't think this is really > a which-way experiment because the interference disappears whether or not > which-way is

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 9:41:28 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > On 11/5/2019 8:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 5:24:35 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/5/2019 2:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> > >> > That's what I don't understand. If there's no

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/5/2019 8:10 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 5:24:35 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/5/2019 2:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > That's what I don't understand. If there's no detector focused on, or > watching the slits, > how can which-way

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 5:24:35 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2019 2:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > That's what I don't understand. If there's no detector focused on, or > > watching the slits, > > how can which-way information exist? All we observe is loss of > >

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/5/2019 2:49 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: That's what I don't understand. If there's no detector focused on, or watching the slits, how can which-way information exist? All we observe is loss of interference without which-way information. What can we conclude from this? AG That we don't

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 4:10:21 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:49 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 11/5/2019 9:21 AM, smitra wrote:

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 4:10:21 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:49 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > >> On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 11/5/2019 9:21 AM, smitra wrote: >>> > On 05-11-2019 02:53, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >> IIUC,

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 9:49 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> On 11/5/2019 9:21 AM, smitra wrote: >> > On 05-11-2019 02:53, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 >> >> experiment

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 1:11:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/5/2019 9:21 AM, smitra wrote: > > On 05-11-2019 02:53, Alan Grayson wrote: > >> IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 > >> experiment declines, and eventually disappears. I don't think

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 11/5/2019 9:21 AM, smitra wrote: On 05-11-2019 02:53, Alan Grayson wrote: IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 experiment declines, and eventually disappears. I don't think this is really a which-way experiment because the interference disappears whether or

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-05 Thread smitra
On 05-11-2019 02:53, Alan Grayson wrote: IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 experiment declines, and eventually disappears. I don't think this is really a which-way experiment because the interference disappears whether or not which-way is observed. How does this

Re: C60 Interference

2019-11-04 Thread Philip Thrift
On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 7:53:17 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > IIUC, as the temperature rises, interference in the double slit C60 > experiment declines, and eventually disappears. I don't think this is > really a which-way experiment because the interference disappears whether > or