Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-27 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Well, I'm with Telmo, and Bruno on the prohibition issue, no surprise, and with Craig here in being open to other worldviews, even if their odds seem low + I think our tendency to institutionalize and say these are relevant branches of science AND THAT is quackery deserves a halting problem kick

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Mar 2013, at 15:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Well, I'm with Telmo, and Bruno on the prohibition issue, no surprise, and with Craig here in being open to other worldviews, even if their odds seem low + I think our tendency to institutionalize and say these are relevant branches

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Mar 2013, at 17:29, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Mar 2013, at 15:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Well, I'm with Telmo, and Bruno on the prohibition issue, no surprise, and with Craig here in being open to other worldviews, even if their odds seem low + I think our tendency to

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
PCG for President! :) On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'm with Telmo, and Bruno on the prohibition issue, no surprise, and with Craig here in being open to other worldviews, even if their odds seem low + I think our tendency to

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Mar 2013, at 18:27, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:25 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2013 2:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Since you don't believe in anything (which you believe... ;) ), There's a difference between believing

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-25 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/24/2013 10:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/24/2013 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: By the way, regulation only protects us from accessing

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2013 3:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2013

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
John, You seem to have a unusual fondness for losers and being on the wrong side of history, so I would suggest you just keep going on your present course, although a tad more interest in astrology and flying saucers and bigfoot and creationism wouldn't hurt. For someone who positions

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:58:52 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: In the first place with the exception of organized religion no area of human activity has as long a history of fraud as psi research. Not

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com javascript:wrote: What bothers me, though, is precisely what is necessary to do nowadays to protect one's reputation. To protect your scientific reputation

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't have any more interest in astrology if I tried. I have been analyzing charts since 1988. Astrology and numerology are by far the most interesting and useful subjects that I have ever encountered in my life. GOOD

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/24/2013 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: By the way, regulation only protects us from accessing effective treatments if we are too poor. Quacks can always find some loophole to explore. Telmo. At what point does the regulation become only a means to suppress innovation? -- Onward!

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:25 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2013 2:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Since you don't believe in anything (which you believe... ;) ), There's a difference between believing specific propositions and believing *in* something. Which

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/24/2013 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: By the way, regulation only protects us from accessing effective treatments if we are too poor. Quacks can always find some loophole to explore. Telmo. At what

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread meekerdb
On 3/24/2013 9:36 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't have any more interest in astrology if I tried. I have been analyzing charts since 1988. Astrology and numerology are by far the most

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread meekerdb
On 3/24/2013 10:27 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:25 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2013 2:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Since you don't believe in anything (which you believe... ;) ),

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread meekerdb
On 3/24/2013 10:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 3/24/2013 7:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: By the way, regulation only protects us from accessing effective treatments if we are too poor. Quacks can always find some

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:36:24 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I couldn't have any more interest in astrology if I tried. I have been analyzing charts since 1988. Astrology and numerology are by far the most

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-24 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't have any more interest in astrology if I tried. I have been analyzing charts since 1988. Astrology and numerology are by far the most interesting and

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks of junk science! I don't

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-23 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: What bothers me, though, is precisely what is necessary to do nowadays to protect one's reputation. To protect your scientific reputation you just need to get things right, or at least don't give experimental evidence that

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-23 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: In the first place with the exception of organized religion no area of human activity has as long a history of fraud as psi research. Not banking, not patent medicine, not pyramid schemes, not politics, not war profiteers,

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-23 Thread meekerdb
On 3/23/2013 3:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-23 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:55 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/23/2013 3:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-23 Thread meekerdb
On 3/23/2013 2:49 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Since you don't believe in anything (which you believe... ;) ), There's a difference between believing specific propositions and believing *in* something. it is redundant to point out that there are more trustworthy ayahuasca cooks, indeed

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Craig, Thanks for this. On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as pseudo-science. I find this disturbing because they are just proposing hypothesis based on experience. One can

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
Thanks Telmo, Yes I've been following the TED fiasco, and chiming in here and there. Actually that's where I saw this video posted was on that thread. I agree completely that it is disturbing (though not surprising) to see the censorship, although I'm impressed with so many smart people

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 9:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, Thanks for this. On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as pseudo-science. I find this disturbing because they are just

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as pseudo-science. My respect for TED just went up several notches. I find this disturbing

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 2:20 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 22, 2013 2:20:36 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com javascript:wrote: TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as pseudo-science.

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: What did you think of the evidence in the Dean Radin video? Evidence? I saw no evidence, all I saw was a man making noises with his mouth and some slides he made himself. Although it would be great if we all has some hidden

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 22, 2013 5:10:40 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 3/22/2013 6:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Craig, Thanks for this. On a somewhat related note, TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:20 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds of classifying their claims as

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread meekerdb
On 3/22/2013 5:10 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi John, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:20 PM, John Clarkjohnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 Telmo Menezeste...@telmomenezes.com wrote: TED recently censured two talks by Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock. Did did it one the grounds

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks of junk science! I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but he writes papers and collects experimental results. Maybe he's lying, and maybe other

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread meekerdb
On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks of junk science! I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but he writes papers and collects experimental

Re: Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 11:30 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2013 5:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: My God people don't you have even a rudimentary bullshit detector? Fantastic claims, cries of persecution, irreproducible results, this crap just reeks of junk science! I don't think Sheldrake is correct, but