Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 7:09:04 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/7/2020 4:28 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 12:19:52 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/2/2020 10:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> You mean to experimentally estimate it from the scatter of

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-07 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 5/7/2020 4:28 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 12:19:52 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 5/2/2020 10:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: You mean to experimentally estimate it from the scatter of results?  That depends on how accurately you want to

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-07 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 12:19:52 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/2/2020 10:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > You mean to experimentally estimate it from the scatter of results? That >> depends on how accurately you want to estimate. The error scales as >> 1/sqrt(N). In most experiments

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-03 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 12:19:52 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 5/2/2020 10:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > You mean to experimentally estimate it from the scatter of results? That >> depends on how accurately you want to estimate. The error scales as >> 1/sqrt(N). In most experiments

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-03 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 5/2/2020 10:50 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: You mean to experimentally estimate it from the scatter of results?  That depends on how accurately you want to estimate.  The error scales as 1/sqrt(N).  In most experiments with photons or electrons, it's easy to make N big.  But

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-02 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 7:38:12 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/28/2020 5:59 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:47:39 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/26/2020 6:37

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-02 Thread Alan Grayson
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 6:57:24 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 6:37:16 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> > *Firstly, concerning the postulates of QM and the UP,* >>> >> >> Mathematics has postulates.

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-01 Thread Alan Grayson
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 6:37:16 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > *Firstly, concerning the postulates of QM and the UP,* >> > > Mathematics has postulates. Science doesn't. The nearest equivalent for > Science is experimental results.

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-01 Thread John Clark
On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:00 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > *Firstly, concerning the postulates of QM and the UP,* > Mathematics has postulates. Science doesn't. The nearest equivalent for Science is experimental results. So it doesn't matter where you originally got an idea, if the idea allows you to

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-01 Thread Alan Grayson
On Friday, May 1, 2020 at 5:17:42 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:18 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> What I want to know is your justification for your prior statement >> about virtual particles and borrowing of energy. You can't just pull it out >> of a hat as call

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-05-01 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:18 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> What I want to know is your justification for your prior statement about > virtual particles and borrowing of energy. You can't just pull it out of a > hat as call it Gospel. * I sure as hell *can* pull it out of a hat if it has been

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-30 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 9:51:38 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 6:18:39 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 6:12:21 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:30:59 PM UTC-6, Alan

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-30 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 6:18:39 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 6:12:21 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:30:59 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:49:15 AM UTC-6, Alan

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-29 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 6:12:21 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:30:59 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:49:15 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-29 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 1:30:59 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:49:15 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-28 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 4/28/2020 5:59 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:47:39 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 4/26/2020 6:37 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:39:15 PM UTC-6, Brent

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-28 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:47:39 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 4/26/2020 6:37 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:39:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 4/26/2020 3:22

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-27 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:45:02 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2020 6:37 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:39:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 4/26/2020 3:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-6,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-27 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 4/26/2020 6:37 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:39:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 4/26/2020 3:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 4/26/2020 9:24 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-27 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 5:49:15 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> *> I think you are to readily

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-27 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 3:51:03 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > *> I think you are to readily reifying the mathematics. Virtual particles >> are just Feynman's invention to keep

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-27 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:18 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> I think you are to readily reifying the mathematics. Virtual particles > are just Feynman's invention to keep track of consistent expansions of the > Green's function. There are

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:39:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2020 3:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 4/26/2020 9:24 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-6, John

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 4/26/2020 3:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 4/26/2020 9:24 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:49 PM Alan Grayson

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread Philip Thrift
Virtual partcle (Wikipedia): "The term is somewhat loose and vaguely defined, in that it refers to the view that the world is made up of 'real particles'. It is not. 'Real particles' are better understood to be excitations of the underlying quantum fields. Virtual particles are also

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:41:49 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 4:18:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 4/26/2020 12:04 PM, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 PM Alan Grayson >> wrote: >> >> *> As I understand the UP, it's a

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:46:59 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2020 9:24 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:49 PM Alan Grayson >> wrote: >> >> *> How does QM tell us that conservation

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:04:45 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> As I understand the UP, it's a statistical statement * > > > No. It says the more exactly you specify the position of a particle the > less exactly you can specify

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 4:18:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 4/26/2020 12:04 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> As I understand the UP, it's a statistical statement * > > > No. It says the more exactly you specify the position of a

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 4/26/2020 12:04 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: /> As I understand the UP, it's a statistical statement / No. It says the more exactly you specify the position of a particle the less exactly you can specify

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 4/26/2020 9:24 AM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:49 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: /> How does QM tell us that conservation of energy can be violated for brief durations? If you apply the

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> As I understand the UP, it's a statistical statement * No. It says the more exactly you specify the position of a particle the less exactly you can specify the velocity of the particle; or stated in a alternativ form, the shorter the time

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:45 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:49 PM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> How does QM tell us that conservation of energy can be violated for >> brief durations? If you apply the time-energy form of the UP for your >> proof, please

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-26 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:49 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> How does QM tell us that conservation of energy can be violated for > brief durations? If you apply the time-energy form of the UP for your > proof, please state the context of your proof, that is, exactly what do E > and t stand for.*

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-25 Thread Alan Grayson
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:49:13 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:29:02 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:42 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> *> how can the EM field contribute anything to the vacuum energy in a >>> region of

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-25 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:29:02 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:42 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > *> how can the EM field contribute anything to the vacuum energy in a >> region of empty space far away from charged particles? * > > > Because Quantum Mechanics

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-24 Thread Alan Grayson
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 12:24:38 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:52:11 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:52:43 PM UTC-6,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-24 Thread Alan Grayson
On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 4:52:11 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:52:43 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-5, Alan

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-23 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:19 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > If the two Casimir plates are grounded there will be no electrostatic > potential between them. Elementary electricity. > Yes, and even if the plates were electrically charged they'd have the same

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-23 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:52:43 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:43:22 PM UTC-6, Alan

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:52:43 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:43:22 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:09:43 PM UTC-6,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:48:41 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:43:22 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:09:43 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-5, Alan

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:43:22 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:09:43 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:39:45 PM UTC-6,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:09:43 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:39:45 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:19:52 AM UTC-6,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:48:24 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:39:45 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:19:52 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:21:30 AM UTC-5, Alan

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:48:24 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:39:45 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:19:52 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:21:30 AM UTC-5,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 2:39:45 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:19:52 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:21:30 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:22:23 AM UTC-6,

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:19:52 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:21:30 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:22:23 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:39 AM Alan Grayson >>> wrote:

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:21:30 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:22:23 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:39 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> > Could it be the case that Casimir plates attract each other due to >>> electrostatic

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:21:30 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:22:23 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:39 AM Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> > Could it be the case that Casimir plates attract each other due to >>>

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread Alan Grayson
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:22:23 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:39 AM Alan Grayson > wrote: > > > Could it be the case that Casimir plates attract each other due to >> electrostatic forces and not vacuum energy? > > > Of course not! Don't you thing getting

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-22 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:39 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > Could it be the case that Casimir plates attract each other due to > electrostatic forces and not vacuum energy? Of course not! Don't you thing getting rid of electrostatic forces would be the very first thing any even halfway competent

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-21 Thread Alan Grayson
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 6:05:36 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 3:42:16 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:00:50 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 2:30:53 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-21 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 3:42:16 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:00:50 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 2:30:53 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-21 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 4:42 AM Alan Grayson wrote: *> how can the EM field contribute anything to the vacuum energy in a > region of empty space far away from charged particles? * Because Quantum Mechanics tells us that some things can happen for no reason, and because it tells us that the

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-21 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:00:50 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 2:30:53 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:50:52 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson

Re: Vacuum energy / Bruce

2020-04-20 Thread Alan Grayson
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:00:50 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 2:30:53 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:50:52 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-20 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 2:30:53 AM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:50:52 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 2:37:28 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-20 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:50:52 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 2:37:28 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> >>> Sure the Casimir effect involves QED. The virtual photons are

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-19 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:50:52 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 2:37:28 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> Sure the Casimir effect involves QED. The virtual photons are in a sense >> a set of gauge redundancies that can be removed, though one need the

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-19 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 2:37:28 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > Sure the Casimir effect involves QED. The virtual photons are in a sense a > set of gauge redundancies that can be removed, though one need the moduli > from these redundancies. This still defines a form of quantum

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-19 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Sure the Casimir effect involves QED. The virtual photons are in a sense a set of gauge redundancies that can be removed, though one need the moduli from these redundancies. This still defines a form of quantum topological number. LC On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 11:30:51 AM UTC-5, Alan

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-19 Thread Alan Grayson
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:11:46 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > The only thing that is measured is a difference in energy, and the modes > between two parallel plates are different from those outside. So the > difference in energy results in this slight pressure. > > LC > >From

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-19 Thread Lawrence Crowell
The only thing that is measured is a difference in energy, and the modes between two parallel plates are different from those outside. So the difference in energy results in this slight pressure. LC On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 10:40:45 PM UTC-5, Alan Grayson wrote: > > Does the Casimir

Re: Vacuum energy

2020-04-18 Thread Alan Grayson
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:40:45 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > Does the Casimir effect establish that the vacuum has intrinsic energy, > and if so, what is its form? TIA, AG > A related question is this: if the vacuum energy is, in part, from the EM field, and forgetting about the