Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-09-02 Thread Lawrence Crowell
t; vacuum observers. The true vacuum complainers may simply be > thermodynamically fluctuated boltzmann brains and we should ignore them > unless they're buying our pies for us? > > -Original Message- > From: Lawrence Crowell > To: Everything List > Sent: Mon, Aug

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-31 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
, Aug 29, 2021 8:52 am Subject: Re: there is no ultimate essence On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 4:23:08 AM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote: virtual particles. The have to initiate from somewhere, correct? Ultimately, no. They exist eternally, just like everything else. -- You received

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-31 Thread Tomas Pales
On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 11:41:20 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > So you agree with me that the number things is matter of how you like to > nominate bits of the world. > No, but you can focus on those things that are useful or interesting to you. -- You received this message because you

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-31 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/31/2021 10:26 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 6:58:42 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: So eternally means momentarily.  Hmmm? Everything exists in the same timeless moment, if you like. Even one object is a conceputalization.  Thomas Pales now is a different

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-31 Thread Tomas Pales
On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 6:58:42 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > So eternally means momentarily. Hmmm? > Everything exists in the same timeless moment, if you like. > Even one object is a conceputalization. Thomas Pales now is a different > object from Thomas Pales a moment ago. And as a

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-31 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/31/2021 4:44 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 1:51:01 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: On 8/30/2021 12:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 8:51:32 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: In other words eternally at a particular time. Is there any

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-31 Thread Tomas Pales
On Tuesday, August 31, 2021 at 1:51:01 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > > On 8/30/2021 12:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 8:51:32 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > >> >> In other words eternally at a particular time. Is there any reason I >> should take that seriously? >> > > And

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
may simply be thermodynamically fluctuated boltzmann brains and we should ignore them unless they're buying our pies for us?  -Original Message- From: Lawrence Crowell To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2021 6:03 am Subject: Re: there is no ultimate essence Virtual particles are not real. I

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-30 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
-that-only-math-can-solve-20210610/QFT seems to satisfy the essence of this contention.  -Original Message- From: Tomas Pales To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2021 3:52 pm Subject: Re: there is no ultimate essence On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 8:51:32 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: In other

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/30/2021 12:52 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 8:51:32 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: In other words eternally at a particular time.  Is there any reason I should take that seriously? And how would you like to take it? According to theory of relativity time is a

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-30 Thread Tomas Pales
On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 8:51:32 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > In other words eternally at a particular time. Is there any reason I > should take that seriously? > And how would you like to take it? According to theory of relativity time is a kind of space. > Any two things form a pair,

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/30/2021 3:29 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 9:11:34 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: On 8/29/2021 5:50 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 1:46:50 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: If you ask the same question about numbers it seems that

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-30 Thread Tomas Pales
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 9:11:34 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > > On 8/29/2021 5:50 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 1:46:50 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > >> >> If you ask the same question about numbers it seems that maybe they can >> exist because there are a lot of

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Virtual particles are not real. In fact off-shell particles or their mass-energies are just dummy variables of integration in the computation of Feynman diagrams. In the BCFW formalism off-shell condition can be dispensed with entirely. These integration variables are in effect removed and

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-29 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/29/2021 5:50 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 1:46:50 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: If you ask the same question about numbers it seems that maybe they can exist because there are a lot of different pairs and without one of them the number 2 can count another

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-29 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 10:23 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *> So, if there is no computational or physical back drop to the vacuum or > false vacuum, then what of the effects of Virtual Particle observations? I > am looking at an article

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-29 Thread Tomas Pales
On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 4:23:08 AM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote: > virtual particles. The have to initiate from somewhere, correct? > Ultimately, no. They exist eternally, just like everything else. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-29 Thread Tomas Pales
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 1:46:50 AM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > If you ask the same question about numbers it seems that maybe they can > exist because there are a lot of different pairs and without one of them > the number 2 can count another pair. But can 2 exist if there are no pairs > to

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-28 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/28/2021 1:59 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:34:07 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: That's almost literally Mermin's slogan for the view, which he also advocates, "Relations without relata."  But are relations abstracted away from relata really any different

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-28 Thread Tomas Pales
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:34:07 PM UTC+2 Brent wrote: > > That's almost literally Mermin's slogan for the view, which he also > advocates, "Relations without relata." But are relations abstracted away > from relata really any different from numbers abstracted from things > counted? >

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-28 Thread Tomas Pales
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 11:32:38 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: > > > Am Di, 24. Aug 2021, um 20:54, schrieb Tomas Pales: > > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: > > Those relations are between nothings? > > > > Between relations. > That's fine but infinite regress of

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
Am Di, 24. Aug 2021, um 23:34, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 8/24/2021 11:54 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: >>> I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught >>> my attention in the

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-24 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
So, if there is no computational or physical back drop to the vacuum or false  vacuum, then what of the effects of Virtual Particle observations? I am looking at an article astronomer article by Ethan Siegel, indicating the reality of virtual particles. The have to initiate from somewhere,

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-24 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/24/2021 11:54 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught my attention in the review below: https://theamericanscholar.org/physics-for-the-feeble-minded/

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
Am Di, 24. Aug 2021, um 20:54, schrieb Tomas Pales: > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: >> __ >> I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught >> my attention in the review below: >>

Re: there is no ultimate essence

2021-08-24 Thread Tomas Pales
On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: > I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something > caught my attention in the review below: > https://theamericanscholar.org/physics-for-the-feeble-minded/ > > "Rovelli’s short answer to this and other bizarre