Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-21 Thread meekerdb
On 3/19/2013 11:24 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 19:17 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:38:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Intimate relation is not causality. The stock market has been famousl

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:06:51 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > To recap then, the difference between non-living and living is only > visible > > to the living. Biological units are vastly larger and slower, more > > vuln

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > To recap then, the difference between non-living and living is only visible > to the living. Biological units are vastly larger and slower, more > vulnerable in a thousand ways than molecular units, but they are a sign of a > nested relati

Chalmers - Consciousness: The Logical Geography of the Issues

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
> > The argument for my view is an inference from roughly four premises: > > (1) Conscious experience exists. > > (2) Conscious experience is not logically supervenient on the physical. > > (3) If there are positive facts that are not logically supervenient on the > physical facts, then physicali

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 6:04 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 01:46:11PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> But still, I tend to bet that creativity, if he can exploit it, is still >>> independent of it. >> I still find it hard to gr

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 4:40 PM, John Mikes wrote: > Dear Bruno, > it is so fascinating to read about "universal machines". > Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms > what they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing machine' > and a 'physical computer' (what I usuall

Good video on telepathy studies

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMXqyf13HeM DEAN RADIN: Men Who Stare at Photons, Part 1 | EU 2013 Skip to the last 10 minutes for the brain evidence if you like. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from th

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 01:46:11PM +0100, Telmo Menezes wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > But still, I tend to bet that creativity, if he can exploit it, is still > > independent of it. > > I still find it hard to grasp how we could have a creative process > witho

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread John Mikes
Dear Bruno, it is so fascinating to read about "universal machines". Is there a place where I could learn in short, understandable terms what they may be? Then again the difference between a 'Turing machine' and a 'physical computer' (what I usually call our embryonic Kraxlwerk). I grew up into my

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread meekerdb
On 3/21/2013 12:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:59 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 1:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At the Occam's time, realists were people who have beli

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Mar 2013, at 02:32, Stephen P. King wrote: Are physical computers truly "universal Turing Machines"? No! They do not have infinite tape, not precise read/write heads. They are subject to noise and error. The infinite tape is not part of the universal machine. A universal machine i

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:28:24 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm > > "We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex *as a whole*. The > brain is a non-stop, always-act

Re: 'Brain Waves' Challenge Area-Specific View of Brain Activity

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:16, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320115111.htm "We are examining the activity in the cerebral cortex as a whole. The brain is a non-stop, always-active system. When we perceive something, the information does not end up in a sp

Re: A philosopher making the Duplication argument

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:08, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/20/2013 6:43 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Stephen P. King > wrote: http://www.closertotruth.com/video-profile/What-is-the-Nature-of-Personal-Identity-Peter-van-Inwagen-/176 He starts off with a straightf

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in physical reality often cal

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 20:18, meekerdb wrote: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato sometimes- I don not share the Occam views.Occam was a nominalist, that is rejected t

Re: (Not so) Free Will

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 20:16, John Mikes wrote: 3-19-13 John M wrote: --- "...I am not faithful enough to believe in MY free will and go to hell by force of this misconception. I may make mistakes. I am not deterministically forced to comply with all facets of the

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Mar 2013, at 19:51, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/3/20 Bruno Marchal On 19 Mar 2013, at 22:25, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato sometimes- ? I see Plato and Aristotle as the most opposite view we can have on reality. (To be

Re: Synchronicity in Leibniz, Jung and Sheldrake

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:42:34 AM UTC-4, Roger Clough wrote: > > > Leibnizian causation differs from most other forms of causation in that > no forces are involved, only ideas, although from any objective viewpoint > it might seem "as if" the usual types of forces cause the event. > This

Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:42:02 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Tom Bayley > wrote: > > >> > I think explanations are important to prove causation ;-) and it's >> interesting that you can break this example down. Each explanatory step is >> materially plausible (it

Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-21 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 Tom Bayley wrote: > > I think explanations are important to prove causation ;-) and it's > interesting that you can break this example down. Each explanatory step is > materially plausible (it has a satisfactory public explanation), right up > to the perception of the light

Synchronicity in Leibniz, Jung and Sheldrake

2013-03-21 Thread Roger Clough
Leibnizian causation differs from most other forms of causation in that no forces are involved, only ideas, although from any objective viewpoint it might seem "as if" the usual types of forces cause the event. This makes sense if the resultant situation is a meaningful one because generated by t

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:44:16 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >> How could something non-living lead to something living? > > > > > > Non-living and living are just different qualities of experience. Living > > systems a

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Mar 2013, at 17:34, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 19 Mar 2013, at 16:52, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Russell Standish wrot

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-21 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:42:38 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > >> At least you now agree that the atoms in my body could be replaced and > >> I would feel the same. What if the atoms were replaced by a person: > >> would

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.03.2013 12:44 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 7:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: ... How do we forget what we cannot even know that we know? As far as I know, that's the main Sartre's point. You just start with tha

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 7:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: >> >> On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>> On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 20.03.2013 20:18 meeker

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: >> >> On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>> On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:06 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:51 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: ... Are you a follower of La Rouche? I do not see such opposition between Plato and Aristotle . Aristotle believed in essences and ideas and in the the inner sense of what is right, jus

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... Presumably his positions about

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:59 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 1:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At the Occam's time, realists were people who have believed that universals exist. Occam has employed