On 08 Jan 2013, at 21:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle
arithmetic
with no need for further calculations in a block universe.
I don't think so. particles are hgher level first person emergent
phenomenon, from the symmetries brought b
On 08 Jan 2013, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/8/2013 10:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Jan 2013, at 23:57, meekerdb wrote:
In Bruno's theory both mind and matter are products of
computation. I think it will turn out, as you say, that they are
mutually necessary.
At *our level* I
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
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>> At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle arithmetic
>> with no need for further calculations in a block universe.
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> Then it is indistinguishable from a contiuous or discrete ma
2013/1/8 Richard Ruquist
> At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle arithmetic
> with no need for further calculations in a block universe.
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> Then it is indistinguishable from a contiuous or discrete mathematical
manifold of some kind. This manifold is anthropically select
At the most basic level reality is a discrete digital particle arithmetic
with no need for further calculations in a block universe.
At a higher level it is analog
in the realm of quantum waves and fields
including the electromagnetic field and perhaps some bosons
And at the highest/physical leve
On 1/8/2013 10:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 Jan 2013, at 23:57, meekerdb wrote:
In Bruno's theory both mind and matter are products of computation. I think it will
turn out, as you say, that they are mutually necessary.
At *our level* I grant that they are both necessary.
But this does
On 07 Jan 2013, at 23:57, meekerdb wrote:
In Bruno's theory both mind and matter are products of computation.
I think it will turn out, as you say, that they are mutually
necessary.
At *our level* I grant that they are both necessary.
But this does not mean they are necessarily necessary
On 1/7/2013 3:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In the case of multigroup collaboration, where each group in made by smaller groups that
collaborate in a lesser degree than in each group internally, the survival program to
ascertain what is truth or not would be as follows: (IMHO).
Any comunicat
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Time: 2013-01-06, 17:53:05
Subject: Re: Question: Robotic truth
The expression "Socila construction of reality" is an expression that hold any
kind or relativism. This is nor that. This is a algorithmical study founded in
game theory, and resource optimization
In the case of multigroup collaboration, where each group in made by
smaller groups that collaborate in a lesser degree than in each group
internally, the survival program to ascertain what is truth or not would be
as follows: (IMHO).
Any comunication has two main components of truth: The first is
The expression "Socila construction of reality" is an expression that hold
any kind or relativism. This is nor that. This is a algorithmical study
founded in game theory, and resource optimization with a narrow set of
possibilities and a harwired nature of any social being (the ROM element).
Socia
On 1/6/2013 12:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
I read some workd of Gintis,. but the experimental game theorists give up when things
get complicated. The dynamic of groups stability and cooperation and their mechanisms is
an field which has not even started. They do not study the vital role of p
I read some workd of Gintis,. but the experimental game theorists give up
when things get complicated. The dynamic of groups stability and
cooperation and their mechanisms is an field which has not even started.
They do not study the vital role of public cult and rites, for example that
are critica
On 1/6/2013 5:47 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Because this is a form of guided question, I will not hide my cards and I will say my
conclussions:
Once some actor (call it robot) collaborates with my robot I would mark it as faitful.
therefore I will believe in what it says.
If I detect that
Your robot do not have time to know the true truth. He would not speculate
on the nature of his programmer, or why he is here. At least until the
problems of survival are solved by means of a stable collaboration. Even
so, he never could have the opportunity to know the programmer. He don´t
know th
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Time: 2012-12-18, 18:07:11
Subject: Re: Question: Robotic truth
I don't know what you're replying - it doesn't seem to have any connection to
what I wrote. Where did I would devote myself to eveluating what's true.
Where did I say anything about solipism.
I don't know what you're replying - it doesn't seem to have any connection to what I
wrote. Where did I would devote myself to eveluating what's true. Where did I say
anything about solipism. You asked how to program a robot to evaluate what's true in
interaction with other self-interested ro
But you can not devote yourself to evaluate truth A solipsist robot is a
dead robot. an exceptic robot is a almost dead robot. The other robots will
not collaborate with a robot that spend so much time and is unreliable for
collaboration. other robots will break the robot apart while it is
evaluat
On 12/18/2012 8:05 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Suppose that you are in charge of the software of a social robot. I mean a robot that
live with other robots that collaborate to solve problems. These robots must repair
themselves, with pieces that are located in the field. these pieces are scarce
t;> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
>> 12/18/2012
>> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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>> *Receiver:* everything-list
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> *Subject:* Question: Robotic truth
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> Suppose that you are in charge of the software of
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Time: 2012-12-18, 11:05:46
Subject: Question: Robotic truth
Suppose that you are in charge of the software of a social robot. I mean a
robot that live with other robots that collaborate to solve problems. These
robots must repair themselves, with pieces that are located in t
Suppose that you are in charge of the software of a social robot. I mean a
robot that live with other robots that collaborate to solve problems. These
robots must repair themselves, with pieces that are located in the field.
these pieces are scarce or they are not for free, and some groups of robot
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