This is an effort to clarify what I have said in earlier posts. I
think it strengths the idea that we have a very substantial problem on
our hands.
[Terms not defined herein have the usual “Laws of Physics” definition]
1) Definition {1}: Energy (E) is the ability to subject a mass to a
I have tried to post this several times. It appears I am again having
issues with my email software. I am sorry if it eventually posts multiple
times.
Hi John and Russell:
As far as I know all the Laws of Physics are based on observation and are
absent closed form proof.
Given the data I
Hi John,
I am quite aware of your views, which you descibe below, but I fail to
see how it applies to the conversation Hal I were having on the
impacts of continuous growth in a bounded world.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:00:42PM -0500, John Mikes wrote:
Hal and Russell:
my agnostic thinking
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11/9/2012
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Subject: RE: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
Hi Stephen:
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Hi Roger:
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Hi Roger:
Roger: Talk to Dawkins. The purpose of the gene is to create more genes. So
the purpose of life (at a minimum) is to create more life.
Response from Hal: No. Life creates more life in compliance with pAP1.
A reasonable result is one heck of a mass extinction. Repeat until there
Allen
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Hi Roger:
Roger: Talk to Dawkins. The purpose of the gene is to create more genes. So
the purpose
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Hi Roger:
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Hi Stepen:
Interesting post.
I indicated in the initiating posts that life should rapidly appear where
the conditions supporting it are found.
I suspect that in most cases the sphere of influence for a particular
instance of a biosphere is small when compared to the size of the universe.
Hi Everyone:
At this time I would like to go a bit further re item iii:
iii) Species survival: Life on this planet is in the midst of an extinction
event [not a new idea] that can't be stopped because pAP1 would be the only
priority for life. We may not be extinguished as a species but we
On Tue, Nov 06, 2012 at 03:55:04PM -0500, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Iiia) Current Economic Conditions: The news in this area has been rather
bad for some time. The most frequently offered solution has been that
national economies and thus the world economy must grow real GDP. In fact
grow it
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On 11/7/2012 11:40 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Stephen:
pAP1 is #8 of the discussion initiating posts
8) Conclusion (2): Once life is present it will immediately punch as many
Hi Stephen:
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On 11/7
Hi Roger:
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Hi Hal,
Just look
On 11/8/2012 12:02 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Stephen:
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Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7/2012 9:38 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
This may show up more than once as a few others did. In recent days I
have had issues with my internet connection. It has been 16 hours
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen P. King
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:07 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/7/2012 9:38 AM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
This may show up more than once
Hi Everyone:
Here are some expansions on my prior post regarding the following three
topics:
i) Consciousness: Define it for now as the detection by a life entity of the
current system energy configuration both internal and external to the life
entity sufficient to ensure its adherence to its
Hi Hal Ruhl
i) Is OK, except Cs isn't distributed, it's beyond spacetime, and so it's just
there.
ii) Is misleading, because an entity cannot move or do as it desires
without some degree of free will. If no free will, they're robots.
If so, then who designed those robots and controls them
On 11/4/2012 12:09 AM, John Mikes wrote:
snip
## to 9 I have objections. I cannot imagine (maybe my mistake)
evolution without a goal, a final aim which would require an
intelligent design to approach it. (I may have one: the
re-distribution into the Plenitude). My way (as of yesterday) is
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On 11/4/2012 12:09 AM, John Mikes wrote:
snip
## to 9 I have objections. I cannot imagine (maybe my mistake)
evolution without a goal, a final aim which would require an
intelligent design to approach it. (I may
Hi Everyone:
I would now like to expand the discussion re the two current conclusions in
the slightly edited version of the first post [below] as follows:
i) Consciousness: The origin and purpose of life herein leads me to believe
that consciousness is distributed across life entities in
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
occasionally play
Hi Stephen:
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Hi Hal,
Could it be that information is being created and forcing the
physical universe to make room for its instantiation? After all, space
is not a conserved quantity!
[HH] I think that what you mention is at least part of the source of
On 11/3/2012 12:10 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Stephen:
-Original Message-
Hi Hal,
Could it be that information is being created and forcing the
physical universe to make room for its instantiation? After all, space
is not a conserved quantity!
[HH] I think that what you mention
Hi John:
My responses are below within an edited original post. Thanks for your
comments.
1) Definition (1): Energy (E) is the ability to subject a mass to a force.
*
Re the use of ability here: What I am
Hi, Hal,
and thanks for your reply. I don't feel up to discuss YOUR ideas: as I
touched I WAS a polymer(chem) scientist as long as I lost my faith in the
conventional views (giving place to agnosticism upon the infinite
complexity I call everything. So consider my responses 'second rate' -
ideas
Hi Stephen:
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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen P. King
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:50 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 10/31
Dear Hal,
nice to read you again after all those years.
Life is a topic I brought up many times (as a question of course) and have
only a vague idea - opposing the conventional scientific stance based on
the carbon-etc. foundational bio/physiological restrictions.
In my *speculations* 'life' is
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
occasionally play with the idea that Dark Energy is a spatially uniform leak
of
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
[SPK] Do you see mutation as a one-to-many map and selection as a many
-to-one map?
Well the DNA strings we know of are finite [n characters] so a particular
example is a one in some sense and this string's finite number of
mutations 4 ^ n+ is a many.
Hi Stephen:
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:37 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4
Hi Stephen:
I think this got lost so I sending it again.
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:37 PM
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Subject: Re: Life: origin
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Subject: Re: Life: origin, purpose, and qualia spectrum
On 11/2/2012 4:27 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Let me refer you to a very old paper of mine:
http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/life.html
I took a quick look. I may need some help understanding it fully. I
occasionally
On 10/31/2012 9:48 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi Everyone:
I would like to restart my participation on the list by having a discussion
regarding the aspects of what we call “life” in our universe starting in a
simple manner as follows: [terms not defined herein have the usual “Laws of
Physics”
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