Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes wrote: > Stathis wrote: > *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I > exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced"* > * > * > And how do you know that you are *not* coerced? your mind works on both > c

NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html "Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by > Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive Psychology Research > (Professor Serge Brédart and Hedwige Dehon), have looked into the memories

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes > > wrote: > >> Stathis wrote: >> *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I >> exercise my free will when I make a choice without being coerced"* >> *

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html "Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive Psychology Research (Professor Serge Brédart

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:31:09 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:08:25 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> On We

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread meekerdb
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html "Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive Psych

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:31:09 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:08:25 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 3

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread John Clark
Somebody wrote: > You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical > computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't > have the right algorithm. > True, and a powerful brain won't help you if you have no education or memories. > > The central myste

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread John Clark
Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull. When the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and other experiences, and some of which can be pleasurable hence the popularity of the dangerous practice of autoerotic asphyxia, taking LSD would be much safer

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:35:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html > > > > "Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed > > by Steven Laur

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > >> http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html > >> > >> "Working together, researchers at the Co

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Even for materialists: why when the brain is in stress conditions do appear vivid hallucinations that probably need a high dose of energy instead of seeing for example a fixed image with "malfunction, we are on it. please relax" ??? What I know is that there are a growing number of effects in hum

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull. Dull in what way? > When the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and > other experiences, and some of which can be pleasurable henc

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:05:01 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: > > Even for materialists: why when the brain is in stress conditions do > appear vivid hallucinations that probably need a high dose of > energy instead of seeing for example a fixed image with "malfunction, we > are on it.

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread meekerdb
On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Richard Ruquist
NDE during surgery cannot be due to lack of oxygen On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> > >> > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread meekerdb
On 4/4/2013 11:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull. Dull in what way? When the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and other exper

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:18:45 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >> >> On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> > >> > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> > >> >>

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread meekerdb
Sure it can. The anesthesologist ensures that you get enough oxygen to avoid brain damage, but that doesn't mean he ensures you get the normal amount. And some surgery involves lowering the body temperature so that the body needs/uses less oxygen. Brent On 4/4/2013 11:27 AM, Richard Ruquist

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:32:02 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 4/4/2013 11:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: >> >> Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull. > > > Dull in what way? > > >> When t

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:46:50 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > Sure it can. The anesthesologist ensures that you get enough oxygen to > avoid brain damage, but that doesn't mean he ensures you get the normal > amount. And some surgery involves lowering the body temperature so that > the body

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: > Dull in what way? > Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto a obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize not just science but the entire world if true are dull. > You didn't read the article

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > these hallucinations appear to to be real visitations to other worlds. Did you learn that from astrology or numerology? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group.

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 3:56:57 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > > Dull in what way? >> > > Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto > a obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize not >

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 4:02:06 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > these hallucinations appear to to be real visitations to other worlds. > > > Did you learn that from astrology or numerology? > > http://www.nachtkabarett.com/

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> > Dull in what way? > > > Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto a > obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize not just > science but t

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical >> computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't >> have the right algorithm. The central mystery of AI,

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM, John Clark wrote: > Somebody wrote: > >> > You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical >> > computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't >> > have the right algorithm. > > > True, and a powerful brain won't help

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread meekerdb
On 4/4/2013 3:35 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't have the right algor

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Then shouldn't a powerful computer be able to quickly deduce the winning >>> Arimaa mapping

Re: "Any human who has played a bit of Arimaa can beat a computer hands down."

2013-04-04 Thread meekerdb
On 4/4/2013 3:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Then shouldn't a powerful computer be able to quickly deduce the winning Arimaa m

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes wrote: >> >>> Stathis wrote: >>> *"I also have a very simple and straightforward idea of free will: I >>> exercise my

Re: NDE's Proved Real?

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
Like On Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:19:17 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, John Clark > > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > >> > Dull in what way? > > > > > > Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed

Re: Free-Will discussion

2013-04-04 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:14:27 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:53 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:10:45 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, John Mikes wrote: >>> Stathis wro