On 11 Jun 2012, at 17:41, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/11/2012 7:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Does it imply that we have an infinite number of levels between
mind and physics?
You can say that.
Imagine yourself in front of the UD. By the invariance of the first
person experience for the delays,
On 11 Jun 2012, at 15:14, David Nyman wrote:
On 11 June 2012 13:19, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Yes worse. I am very sorry for my random spelling, which becomes
easily
phonetical when I type too fast.
It's only phonetical if you pronounce worth and worse the same way ;-)
Which illustrates tha
On 6/11/2012 7:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Does it imply that we have an infinite number of levels between mind and
physics?
You can say that.
Imagine yourself in front of the UD. By the invariance of the first person experience
for the delays, you have to take into account all computations
On 11 Jun 2012, at 10:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 10.06.2012 18:49 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 09 Jun 2012, at 20:57, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
...
On the other hand, if I understand Bruno's theorem correctly a) and
b) imply quite different things. While a) brings no problem, b)
le
On 11 June 2012 13:19, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Yes worse. I am very sorry for my random spelling, which becomes easily
> phonetical when I type too fast.
It's only phonetical if you pronounce worth and worse the same way ;-)
David
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On 10 Jun 2012, at 23:00, David Nyman wrote:
On 10 June 2012 17:49, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Yes it is possible. And "worth", it is necessary the case.
worse?
Yes worse. I am very sorry for my random spelling, which becomes
easily phonetical when I type too fast.
Sorry again,
Bruno
ht
On 10.06.2012 18:49 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 09 Jun 2012, at 20:57, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
...
On the other hand, if I understand Bruno's theorem correctly a) and
b) imply quite different things. While a) brings no problem, b)
leads to
arithmetic -> mind -> physics
That is, I a
On 10 June 2012 17:49, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Yes it is possible. And "worth", it is necessary the case.
worse?
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On 09 Jun 2012, at 20:57, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 09.06.2012 20:27 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
Le 9 juin 2012 20:22, "Evgenii Rudnyi" a écrit :
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No, I have meant
a) simulated computer
b) simulated myself (but not in a)
Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some in
On Jun 9, 12:08 pm, Pzomby wrote:
> > Thanks for your input. Some of what you state I follow, but some I do
> > not, but I set that aside.
>
> > To further clarify: The best analogy as to what I was considering is the
> > role of DNA in biological processes. DNA is coded by/with classified amino
On 09.06.2012 20:39 David Nyman said the following:
On 9 June 2012 19:22, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
No, I have meant
a) simulated computer
b) simulated myself (but not in a)
Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some instructions
executed by some Turing machine. It seems that there is no
On 09.06.2012 20:27 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
Le 9 juin 2012 20:22, "Evgenii Rudnyi" a écrit :
...
No, I have meant
a) simulated computer
b) simulated myself (but not in a)
Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some instructions
executed by
some Turing machine. It see
On 9 June 2012 19:22, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
> No, I have meant
>
> a) simulated computer
>
> b) simulated myself (but not in a)
>
> Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some instructions executed by
> some Turing machine. It seems that there is no difference. How would you
> define the dif
Le 9 juin 2012 20:22, "Evgenii Rudnyi" a écrit :
>
> On 09.06.2012 20:00 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
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>> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
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>>> On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
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>>> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the follo
On 09.06.2012 20:00 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the foll
2012/6/9 Quentin Anciaux
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>
> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
>
>> On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
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>> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
>>>
>>> On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
>
> On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
> On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
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> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
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>> On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
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>>> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
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On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
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>
On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomb
On Friday, June 8, 2012 1:36:31 PM UTC-7, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 3:00 pm, Pzomby wrote:
> > Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
> > consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations,
> > emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
> On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
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> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
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>> On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
>>>
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>>> On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
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On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following:
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi
> On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
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>> On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
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>> On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
>>>
Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
consciousness can (using computers
On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations,
emulations, depictio
On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations,
emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of
observations
On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following:
Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations,
emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of
observations of the physical universe and its processes.
This a
On Jun 8, 3:00 pm, Pzomby wrote:
> Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
> consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations,
> emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of
> observations of the physical universe and its processes.
We can create
Using mathematics, computations and symbols; human embodied
consciousness can (using computers) create models, simulations,
emulations, depictions, replications, representations etc. of
observations of the physical universe and its processes.
This assumes that the actual observable physical univer
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