Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On 31 Jan 2015, at 00:10, LizR wrote: try here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wqg-xl8VA0 however you have to join the website (for free), which I haven't done so I can't say if legit Oh, I am on Youtube since long, but yet, again, actually worse: This video has been removed because its content violated YouTube's Terms of Service. Sorry about that. Bruno On 29 January 2015 at 06:13, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Jan 2015, at 15:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape! -Chris Since authorities granted by NDAA in 2012, secret courts, camps etc. trample on human rights without the slightest shame, we know that the kind of activity that the following link refers to, logically follows. Some fresh details for me, even though the broad strokes were familiar. Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage #t=3 I am a late reader, and Citizenfour Edward Sno... This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Haut et Court. Sorry about that. Pfft... One may ask under such circumstance: wasn't the freedom that everybody claims to champion and protect sold by patriot act, NDAA 2012 and these kinds of actions? PGC It is disturbing, and what is the most disturbing is that, as many have seen, it is easy to make the NDAA 2012 (and 2013) consistent with the US constitution by just adding some coma, or some precisions. Yet, Obama administration refused, and the rest of the story is very fuzzy, with many videos which disappeared, notably. Since then, I have studied a bit more closely the details of the NIST reports on the 9/11 event, and ... well, to say the least: many obvious questions are not addressed. Yes, the NDAA seems to sell the soul of the Land of the Free to the devil, but Prohibition was already a key step. Indeed the war on drug makes drug having abnormal prices and makes them sold by targetting the poors, the sicks, the kids, directly on each corner of all cities. The juicy benefits are used to corrupt the system to continue prohibition, and perpetuate the lies, and to invest in distractive wars, putting oil on the conflicts on the planet. I can't measure the degree of dishonesty. The bank and the middle class is taken in hostage. Despite this, well thanks to this, there is a very simple algorithm to win the war on terror: just stopping the war on drug. It might not been entirely sufficient, but it is necessary. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything- l...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Also available from https://www.torrenting.com/details.php?id=239178 which you also have to join. On 31 January 2015 at 12:10, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: try here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wqg-xl8VA0 however you have to join the website (for free), which I haven't done so I can't say if legit On 29 January 2015 at 06:13, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Jan 2015, at 15:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape! -Chris Since authorities granted by NDAA in 2012, secret courts, camps etc. trample on human rights without the slightest shame, we know that the kind of activity that the following link refers to, logically follows. Some fresh details for me, even though the broad strokes were familiar. Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage#t=3 I am a late reader, and Citizenfour Edward Sno... This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Haut et Court. Sorry about that. Pfft... One may ask under such circumstance: wasn't the freedom that everybody claims to champion and protect sold by patriot act, NDAA 2012 and these kinds of actions? PGC It is disturbing, and what is the most disturbing is that, as many have seen, it is easy to make the NDAA 2012 (and 2013) consistent with the US constitution by just adding some coma, or some precisions. Yet, Obama administration refused, and the rest of the story is very fuzzy, with many videos which disappeared, notably. Since then, I have studied a bit more closely the details of the NIST reports on the 9/11 event, and ... well, to say the least: many obvious questions are not addressed. Yes, the NDAA seems to sell the soul of the Land of the Free to the devil, but Prohibition was already a key step. Indeed the war on drug makes drug having abnormal prices and makes them sold by targetting the poors, the sicks, the kids, directly on each corner of all cities. The juicy benefits are used to corrupt the system to continue prohibition, and perpetuate the lies, and to invest in distractive wars, putting oil on the conflicts on the planet. I can't measure the degree of dishonesty. The bank and the middle class is taken in hostage. Despite this, well thanks to this, there is a very simple algorithm to win the war on terror: just stopping the war on drug. It might not been entirely sufficient, but it is necessary. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
try here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wqg-xl8VA0 however you have to join the website (for free), which I haven't done so I can't say if legit On 29 January 2015 at 06:13, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Jan 2015, at 15:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape! -Chris Since authorities granted by NDAA in 2012, secret courts, camps etc. trample on human rights without the slightest shame, we know that the kind of activity that the following link refers to, logically follows. Some fresh details for me, even though the broad strokes were familiar. Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage#t=3 I am a late reader, and Citizenfour Edward Sno... This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Haut et Court. Sorry about that. Pfft... One may ask under such circumstance: wasn't the freedom that everybody claims to champion and protect sold by patriot act, NDAA 2012 and these kinds of actions? PGC It is disturbing, and what is the most disturbing is that, as many have seen, it is easy to make the NDAA 2012 (and 2013) consistent with the US constitution by just adding some coma, or some precisions. Yet, Obama administration refused, and the rest of the story is very fuzzy, with many videos which disappeared, notably. Since then, I have studied a bit more closely the details of the NIST reports on the 9/11 event, and ... well, to say the least: many obvious questions are not addressed. Yes, the NDAA seems to sell the soul of the Land of the Free to the devil, but Prohibition was already a key step. Indeed the war on drug makes drug having abnormal prices and makes them sold by targetting the poors, the sicks, the kids, directly on each corner of all cities. The juicy benefits are used to corrupt the system to continue prohibition, and perpetuate the lies, and to invest in distractive wars, putting oil on the conflicts on the planet. I can't measure the degree of dishonesty. The bank and the middle class is taken in hostage. Despite this, well thanks to this, there is a very simple algorithm to win the war on terror: just stopping the war on drug. It might not been entirely sufficient, but it is necessary. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Jan 2015, at 15:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage#t=3 I am a late reader, and Citizenfour Edward Sno... This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Haut et Court. Sorry about that. Pfft... The removal is minor hypocrisy. Having seen the thing when it was on youtube, and heard how passionate the journalist and the filmmaker were, in doing their jobs for the guy who gave up his job/life.. to clarify growth of surveillance apparatus; with obvious implications of how filmmaker and journalist suffered loss of freedom to travel/communicate/privacy and how they are willing to suffer anything to get the truth out... it is a bit weird how unprofessionally the distribution is handled internationally. I've been hearing about the film for months now, at the same time was unable to figure out where I could go and see it locally. No proper distribution deal, one would think, and then the thing is posted online, which is consistent with labor of passion and love; the truth has to get out no matter what, which a lot of creative types have to suffer to build a name in early years... and then suddenly, it is removed, with release dates scattered chaotically (in France set to March?). The filmmaker should pick her friends a bit more wisely perhaps when fighting for academy award, which leaves a weird aftertaste, even if I am sympathetic to the advocacy, originating from a background that definitely went overboard with secret police, at which time, big data was not yet an issue. Yes, the NDAA seems to sell the soul of the Land of the Free to the devil, but Prohibition was already a key step. Indeed the war on drug makes drug having abnormal prices and makes them sold by targetting the poors, the sicks, the kids, directly on each corner of all cities. The juicy benefits are used to corrupt the system to continue prohibition, and perpetuate the lies, and to invest in distractive wars, putting oil on the conflicts on the planet. I can't measure the degree of dishonesty. The bank and the middle class is taken in hostage. Despite this, well thanks to this, there is a very simple algorithm to win the war on terror: just stopping the war on drug. It doesn't mention NDAA specifically, but shows how controversial authority like it can be enforced globally, given increasing efficiency of intelligence services + big data, in view of increased linking of digital services used globally: this becomes infallible proof machine. Thus it appears to matter less and less that somebody actually did/did not commit a crime, and more that we know his/her mobile phone was close to the street corner where some crime was committed, around the time in question. This increases leverage for established authority to interpret some situation to their advantage as floods of such data are then made available as justification. How to use such power responsibly when we know how sometimes, legal experts will bend certain things? Courts are reduced to secret yes committees here, and internal checks into abuse of the systems themselves is apparently carried out by colleagues or peers from the field. The film is worth the time if you like details; but perhaps not if you have to sign your details to some unknown website. No mistake: it takes sides; this is advocacy. Not least for the filmmaker and journalists. I'd still watch it a second time, if only for the chronology/facts of the affair and to see whether I missed something. They should have included the scene where the filmmaker reflects on her travel plans concerning invitation/nomination to academy awards, given that she is on the terror watch list with 1.2 million others ;-) PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On 27 Jan 2015, at 15:29, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape! -Chris Since authorities granted by NDAA in 2012, secret courts, camps etc. trample on human rights without the slightest shame, we know that the kind of activity that the following link refers to, logically follows. Some fresh details for me, even though the broad strokes were familiar. Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage #t=3 I am a late reader, and Citizenfour Edward Sno... This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Haut et Court. Sorry about that. Pfft... One may ask under such circumstance: wasn't the freedom that everybody claims to champion and protect sold by patriot act, NDAA 2012 and these kinds of actions? PGC It is disturbing, and what is the most disturbing is that, as many have seen, it is easy to make the NDAA 2012 (and 2013) consistent with the US constitution by just adding some coma, or some precisions. Yet, Obama administration refused, and the rest of the story is very fuzzy, with many videos which disappeared, notably. Since then, I have studied a bit more closely the details of the NIST reports on the 9/11 event, and ... well, to say the least: many obvious questions are not addressed. Yes, the NDAA seems to sell the soul of the Land of the Free to the devil, but Prohibition was already a key step. Indeed the war on drug makes drug having abnormal prices and makes them sold by targetting the poors, the sicks, the kids, directly on each corner of all cities. The juicy benefits are used to corrupt the system to continue prohibition, and perpetuate the lies, and to invest in distractive wars, putting oil on the conflicts on the planet. I can't measure the degree of dishonesty. The bank and the middle class is taken in hostage. Despite this, well thanks to this, there is a very simple algorithm to win the war on terror: just stopping the war on drug. It might not been entirely sufficient, but it is necessary. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
I see you are an expert on international policing procedures as well as international military strategy. Not bad for a couch potato. From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Yes indeed, we too have no go zones, but in the US, this doesn't include the police. The police do go into crime zones, but in th EU, they demure, so as not to create conflict. That in itself is a big difference. In Paris, the local muslims block traffic whilst the lay down their prayer rugs in the street, most likely to show dominance. There are serious studies by academics regarding public muslim behavior that are illuminating. Because of your ideology, and it is hard Left you know, the uma cannot do bad things, because they are permanent victims to you. This is the narrative of socialists, progressives, antiwar types, and, your faith movement, rather then cognitive analysis and reflection. Thus, your kind excuses, and tries to explain away Islamist behavior. As far as the tea baggers go, they have some interesting ideas about the consolidation of power amongst the elites, but politically, they seem ineffectual. I use ideas from any thinker of any persuasion, that can produce fixes for troubles. A fix either works or it doesn't, so its seeking the matter of fact, rather then opinion. From watching Obama, and the EU, the cateting to the Islamists, has proved a huge failure. The nice thing about the tea baggers was that they appeared to be a vanguard proletariat, to quote Lenin. They fizzeled largely because of amateurishness, and political disorganization. I say we need a strong and prospering America, till eithe the singularity hits, or your Jesus returns. Either is good with me. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 05:06 PM Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com It's just that decided to oppose your love affair to get us to submit to Sharia. If you believe that you are out of your mind On the likelihood of an average American or French person dying of jihadist assassination, versus a lightning strike, I tend to agree with you statistically, but fear the odds are changing in my favor. In your favor? Do you think of this as some kind of sport with a game score? Are you really this insane? I am more alarmed by the active intimidation that is now manifest in Europe today. We have heard about the French and the Banilues, but the same is even more extent in Malmo, Sweden for example, which is usually not focused on. The police there no go zones are especially profound in Sweden, then France or the Netherlands, and I am not stating that there are not danger zones in either nation. You speak of such things as if you had actual knowledge,but I know for a fact that you got them from the current popular Tea Party talking points. Clearly, like a good foot soldier you are echoing what your thought leaders have instructed you to echo. Very original of you Mitch. Have you tried walking through North Philly or South Chicago? The worst ghettos and projects tend to be no go areas in every society that has them. -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Yes about as much as yourself, being a diplomats son makes you an auhority does. Now, if your other overseas adventures mean that you are also an authority, and you end up defending islamist attacks, even if a person had a phd. From George Washington University, and worked for the US Foreign Service, it would be thusly, antithetical to US survival. Fear not, you have been superceded already by Samantha Power. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 03:34 PM Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? div id=AOLMsgPart_2_92b76826-2a3d-4f3e-8183-480621503ee0 div class=aolReplacedBody div style=color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px div dir=ltr spanI see you are an expert on international policing procedures as well as international military strategy. Not bad for a couch potato./span div style=font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_125002 div style=font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_125001 div dir=ltr hr size=1 font size=2 face=Arial bspan style=font-weight:bold;From:/span/b spudboy100 via Everything List a href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a bspan style=font-weight: bold;To:/span/b a href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a bspan style=font-weight: bold;Sent:/span/b Monday, January 26, 2015 8:37 PM bspan style=font-weight: bold;Subject:/span/b Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? /font /div div class=aolmail_y_msg_container id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_125000 div id=aolmail_yiv9523985886 div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_124999 br clear=none br clear=noneSent from AOL Mobile Mail div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_124998 br clear=none /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_125004 Yes indeed, we too have no go zones, but in the US, this doesn't include the police. The police do go into crime zones, but in th EU, they demure, so as not to create conflict. That in itself is a big difference. In Paris, the local muslims block traffic whilst the lay down their prayer rugs in the street, most likely to show dominance. There are serious studies by academics regarding public muslim behavior that are illuminating. Because of your ideology, and it is hard Left you know, the uma cannot do bad things, because they are permanent victims to you. This is the narrative of socialists, progressives, antiwar types, and, your faith movement, rather then cognitive analysis and reflection. Thus, your kind excuses, and tries to explain away Islamist behavior. As far as the tea baggers go, they have some interesting ideas about the consolidation of power amongst the elites, but politically, they seem ineffectual. I use ideas from any thinker of any persuasion, that can produce fixes for troubles. A fix either works or it doesn't, so its seeking the matter of fact, rather then opinion. From watching Obama, and the EU, the cateting to the Islamists, has proved a huge failure. /div br clear=none div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_125006 The nice thing about the tea baggers was that they appeared to be a vanguard proletariat, to quote Lenin. They fizzeled largely because of amateurishness, and political disorganization. I say we need a strong and prospering America, till eithe the singularity hits, or your Jesus returns. Either is good with me. br clear=none br clear=none br clear=none-Original Message- br clear=noneFrom: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List a href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a br clear=noneTo: everything-list a href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a br clear=noneSent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 05:06 PM br clear=noneSubject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? br clear=none br clear=none br clear=none div class=aolmail_qtdSeparateBR /div div class=aolmail_yiv9523985886yqt9150293013 id=aolmail_yiv9523985886yqt71704 div id=aolmail_yiv9523985886AOLMsgPart_2_4b6f996f-1526-4412-971a-e09e50a01cce div class=aolmail_yiv9523985886aolReplacedBody id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_125009 div style=color:#000;background-color:#fff;font
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Mitch's continuing repeated calumny: you end up defending islamist attacks You cannot name a single terrorist attack I have defended, because I haven't done anything of the sort, you fucking lying sack of fetid offal! -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
You basically speak out for them with your previous decades? justification, so with two paragraphs you contradict yourself incredibly. You have picked your excuse for your buddies, blaming the west while again and again, cranking up whining, excuses, for this ideology. Why not blame the Chinese for the Nanking massacres in 1937, because the Chinese were a larger more successful society? You do the same thing. The good, out of all this horror is that people have wised up a bit to whom is a nasty actor, instead of excoriating the US, the EU, etc., The progressive Michael Moore policies have failed under Bamer, and even the small fry are now worried. The commoners and those in power will start to look askance at the excuse-makers of radical Islam. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List lt;everything-list@googlegroups.comgt; To: everything-list lt;everything-list@googlegroups.comgt; Sent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 8:44 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: spudboy100 via Everything List lt;everything-list@googlegroups.comgt; gt;gt;Weezers Chris, you must write for Hallmark Cards with that creative writing talent you possess. I do seem to remember you defending your passionate faith against comments fom Clark, or, the Telmo, two weeks back, basically saying 'ah, the west provoked it!? If you think that multiple decades of large scale Western led bombardments, ground invasions and targeted killings have nothing to do with this then you really are as dumb as a rock. For you to spin this recognition of reality on my part as somehow constituting support for these actions I have to question your basic grasp on reality. gt;gt; To your credit earlier, you did kick yourself loose from boko haram.? I was never tight with them you fuk'in lying prick! gt;gt;On your, and the presidents view that the jihadists are not muslims, to which I say, 'would a christian person from the deep, during jim crow days, not be concommitant upon them to openly oppose the kkk? Its the same thing with islam, if your neighbors pit bull attacked your children and then ?theres no comment by the neighbor. Then a rational person would then suspect that despite your childsWounds, the neighbor in question didn't really care. This is also the case on this thread as well, where you defend the islamists.? Don't mistake my opposition to your insane and idiotic repeated calls for a global world war for anything else than a pointed rejection of your radical agenda. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Weezers Chris, you must write for Hallmark Cards with that creative writing talent you possess. I do seem to remember you defending your passionate faith against comments fom Clark, or, the Telmo, two weeks back, basically saying 'ah, the west provoked it! If you think that multiple decades of large scale Western led bombardments, ground invasions and targeted killings have nothing to do with this then you really are as dumb as a rock. For you to spin this recognition of reality on my part as somehow constituting support for these actions I have to question your basic grasp on reality. To your credit earlier, you did kick yourself loose from boko haram. I was never tight with them you fuk'in lying prick! On your, and the presidents view that the jihadists are not muslims, to which I say, 'would a christian person from the deep, during jim crow days, not be concommitant upon them to openly oppose the kkk? Its the same thing with islam, if your neighbors pit bull attacked your children and then theres no comment by the neighbor. Then a rational person would then suspect that despite your childs Wounds, the neighbor in question didn't really care. This is also the case on this thread as well, where you defend the islamists. Don't mistake my opposition to your insane and idiotic repeated calls for a global world war for anything else than a pointed rejection of your radical agenda. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape! -Chris Since authorities granted by NDAA in 2012, secret courts, camps etc. trample on human rights without the slightest shame, we know that the kind of activity that the following link refers to, logically follows. Some fresh details for me, even though the broad strokes were familiar. Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage#t=3 One may ask under such circumstance: wasn't the freedom that everybody claims to champion and protect sold by patriot act, NDAA 2012 and these kinds of actions? PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Weezers Chris, you must write for Hallmark Cards with that creative writing talent you possess. I do seem to remember you defending your passionate faith against comments fom Clark, or, the Telmo, two weeks back, basically saying 'ah, the west provoked it! To your credit earlier, you did kick yourself loose from boko haram. On your, and the presidents view that the jihadists are not muslims, to which I say, 'would a christian person from the deep, during jim crow days, not be concommitant upon them to openly oppose the kkk? Its the same thing with islam, if your neighbors pit bull attacked your children and then theres no comment by the neighbor. Then a rational person would then suspect that despite your childs Wounds, the neighbor in question didn't really care. This is also the case on this thread as well, where you defend the islamists. Last, you seem to be consumed with the need to defend or justify the baddies, perhaps with the belief that we in the west are so much worse, or is it that you despise our apparent weaknesses more? You'd do better thinking about fixes for this topic. I always liked political scientist, Dr. Di Mesquitos ideas on humans rational political actors, and thus, improving negotiations outcome. He's still at Stanford I believe. But you are not a solutions kind of guy, and more of a placards carrier. A pity that. div div divSent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 27, 2015 05:59 PM Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? div id=AOLMsgPart_2_69679891-5f19-43be-a4ae-16a2bab58ec7 div class=aolReplacedBody div style=color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px div dir=ltr id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157222 div style=font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157210 div style=font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157209 div dir=ltr id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157217 hr size=1 id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157225 font size=2 face=Arial id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157216 b id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157229span style=font-weight:bold; id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157228From:/span/b spudboy100 via Everything List a href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a /font /div div class=aolmail_y_msg_container id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157208 div id=aolmail_yiv3380484552 div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157207 div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157206 Mitch's continuing repeated calumny: you end up defending islamist attacks /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157206 br clear=noneYou cannot name a single terrorist attack I have defended, because I haven't done anything of the sort, you fucking lying sack of fetid offal! /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157206 /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_157206 -Chris br clear=none /div /div /div /div /div /div /div p/p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to a target=_blank href=mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com;everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com/a. To post to this group, send email to a target=_blank href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a. Visit this group at a target=_blank href=http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list;http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/a. For more options, visit a target=_blank href=https://groups.google.com/d/optout;https://groups.google.com/d/optout/a. /div /div /div/div/div/div -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 6:30 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:03 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape! -Chris Since authorities granted by NDAA in 2012, secret courts, camps etc. trample on human rights without the slightest shame, we know that the kind of activity that the following link refers to, logically follows. Secret Justice is an oxymoron. Some fresh details for me, even though the broad strokes were familiar. Hope this video has longer time online than most before being taken down (apologies to any late readers): Video was taken down, by the time I got back from work to view it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YOEHI8ctwx-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage#t=3 x-yt-cl=84838260x-yt-ts=1422327029feature=player_detailpage#t=3 One may ask under such circumstance: wasn't the freedom that everybody claims to champion and protect sold by patriot act, NDAA 2012 and these kinds of actions? PGC One must question whether the motives were really “to defend our freedom”, when in fact the de facto result has been a serious erosion of individual liberty. At the very least that is, an ass backwards approach, and it is quite easy to imagine a whole slew of rather more sinister motives, which the de facto actions of Western governments seem to be more in line with. -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:07 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:15 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: One must question whether the motives were really “to defend our freedom”, when in fact the de facto result has been a serious erosion of individual liberty. At the very least that is, an ass backwards approach, and it is quite easy to imagine a whole slew of rather more sinister motives, which the de facto actions of Western governments seem to be more in line with. -Chris Agreed. This reminds me of some minor villain figure in Joseph Conrad's The Secret Agent, who reasoned something like: Manoeuvring fanatic idiots to blow up some political target is too transparent and no longer effective in funneling more money, power, and weapons into the right hands. Agreed… and also quite easy to do. The patsies and firebrands can believe whatever suits the particular story being woven. Furthermore I doubt there exists a single extremist group (or international drug cartel) that is not to some degree penetrated by clandestine state services (even an para-military organization as well run as Hezbollah is not immune, as has become known) If we focus on sowing blanket fear more effectively, then it doesn't even matter which side we're on; everybody gets to legitimize moves towards more security by force. Resources will flow and flood appropriate markets accordingly, and the relevant industries will strengthen their foothold. In Italy during the 1980s – a period of time I was living there – it was known as “La strategia del piombo” (The strategy of lead). The acts of random mass casualty terrorism, the largest in many years in the Western word, such as the Bologna railway station bombing and others have been linked to a shadowy underground para military umbrella network. Researching Operation Gladio is a good way to surface information on what finally emerged in the 1990s. Therefore, we must steer the idiots to attack seemingly senseless targets to impart a sense that they can strike anywhere, anytime; people will get lost in the apparent discourses and causal speculation and we get what we want. The more senseless or confounding the target, the better the distraction. Precisely. In a climate of fear the people clamor for more police, more security and can be convinced to part with their liberty – for this illusory safety. People should keep in mind always that far more people die from lightning strikes as die from terrorism. Unfortunately, this fictitious villain from novel published in 1907 is not that far off the mark, if you compare the recent response to say IRA attacks in London. Fanatics, freedom, prisoner's dilemma, and the laws that these sprout... how about hearing more about 900 million people in famine circumstance and watching those numbers for a change? News is crap. It is an effective strategy and has long been effective, throughout history. People – en mass -- truly are as dumb as sheep. -Chris PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:15 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: One must question whether the motives were really “to defend our freedom”, when in fact the de facto result has been a serious erosion of individual liberty. At the very least that is, an ass backwards approach, and it is quite easy to imagine a whole slew of rather more sinister motives, which the de facto actions of Western governments seem to be more in line with. -Chris Agreed. This reminds me of some minor villain figure in Joseph Conrad's The Secret Agent, who reasoned something like: Manoeuvring fanatic idiots to blow up some political target is too transparent and no longer effective in funneling more money, power, and weapons into the right hands. If we focus on sowing blanket fear more effectively, then it doesn't even matter which side we're on; everybody gets to legitimize moves towards more security by force. Resources will flow and flood appropriate markets accordingly, and the relevant industries will strengthen their foothold. Therefore, we must steer the idiots to attack seemingly senseless targets to impart a sense that they can strike anywhere, anytime; people will get lost in the apparent discourses and causal speculation and we get what we want. The more senseless or confounding the target, the better the distraction. Unfortunately, this fictitious villain from novel published in 1907 is not that far off the mark, if you compare the recent response to say IRA attacks in London. Fanatics, freedom, prisoner's dilemma, and the laws that these sprout... how about hearing more about 900 million people in famine circumstance and watching those numbers for a change? News is crap. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:07 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I like your use of the word calumny. An endless clash of civilization? Naw! But we do need to defend ourselves against the jihadi, and be able to retaliate, Piling more revenge killing on top of the pyramid of violence is your solution? Of course it is reasonable that we defend ourselves in extraordinary situation, but when the state-of-exception becomes the norm, we have a problem, if we value rule of law. Minimizing harm, furthering economic, political, educational developments that diminish the capacity of parts of the world to become breeding grounds for radicalism is more effective than the exclusive short term fix of merely retaliating. which is something you are totally against and have stated this, repeatedly. You are not anti-war, merely anti-US wars. I am anti-war, no matter the war, still believe in self-defense and make up my own mind as to its efficacy, as merely retaliation as principle, doesn't convince me as much as it seems to convince you. If you were a true pacifist, you would logically be anti-war, across the board. You are not against Islamist attacks in the west, because you believe they are justified. This is where you cross the line comrade. Your true war is against middle America. Your true war is against middle earth with all its liberals. As for solutions, you ain't interested, to put it mildly. We have ample supply of your solutions on the list and as German, I am automatically skeptical of people offering blanket solutions and generalizations. There are always those kinds of people and always the kinds of people that follow them. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Well, like I mentioned earlier, you always gripe about any US military action, and say nothing about other nations, and groups, agressions. This means, like the old Vietnam protestors, you were against the Vietnam war (making Breshnev smile) but these self same people had zero to say or do, regarding the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or, more currently, nothing to say about Islamic wars and aggressions. So, this incongruence doesn't wash. This is picking sides, which is something I openly do, and you don't like. This is know as life. Oh, you mean like you complaining about your powerlessness and then doing nothing about the situation that you feel you must rail against? Picking sides and doing nothing about it other than posting obsessively? I'm not sure, Life is perhaps a bit more than this. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yeah, yeah, we can both agree the French and British sucked. If you want to make them accurately, uncomfortable, mention the Belgian rubber empire in the 19th century. Their king, a labor reformer at home, over saw the murder of maybe 8 million people over 20 years, on rubber plantations. Human history is replete with slaughter. Now that things are a bit more civilized, it'd be a tragedy for the west to lose out to Islamist savages-which is what they are, just like we were, not so long ago. You were savage once that you now condemn? Were you a noble savage or more straightforward one? We have people of all these nationalities and of different faiths on this list. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them instead of creepily promising solutions. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:53 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Trolling? Applied to your posts that is high praise as some trolls might feel insulted. I respect their feelings in a free internet ;-) You don't provoke or inflame, you're just often off-topic without humor + repetitive, and you think repeating material that Rush etc. wouldn't even run with, is somehow going to hammer something home with the few people that read/participate. And you are the one with the accusations and epithets? I was thinking you like to do preemptive accusations of trolling, while trolling. As far as knowing you, I mean if the foo shits, wear it. You fit the pattern, the language that you choose to use, etc. The Michael Moore mentality, and method. It is what it is, and further analysis is not necessary. But, its not about you or I, but it is about surviving the Islamist onslaught that seems to be gathering. No, that is not what this list pursues. Inform yourself, and post elsewhere if that is your objective. Also, what does saving us from Islamist onslaught have to do with your transcendence objective stated in the other post? You want to help us survive? Then pay or volunteer to maintain the list, help people in zones where radicalism you feel so threatened about is a danger; provide them with food, shelter, education etc. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Lots of people fought in the wars of the US, and do not have the attitude, opinions, and beliefs that you own. I know these people, some family members, who are in the marines and army infantry and have lost friends, and they don't see things as you do. Vietnam was quite a while ago and now we have an all volunteer army, since 1973. When asked by me, these people seemed to be even more aggressive than I. I would also say since the days of the draft, which were the soldiers of your experience, later generations of military are there by choice. Being anti-American is not the same thing as anti-war. The people whom I have spoken, who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, with would take umbrage at your statements. The self righteousness thing, also an earmark of socialists, marxists, so-called antiwar, communists, is unimpressive at best, demagogic, most likely. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 1:37 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:15 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Well, like I mentioned earlier, you always gripe about any US military action, and say nothing about other nations, and groups, agressions. This means, like the old Vietnam protestors, you were against the Vietnam war (making Breshnev smile) but these self same people had zero to say or do, regarding the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or, more currently, nothing to say about Islamic wars and aggressions. So, this incongruence doesn't wash. This is picking sides, which is something I openly do, and you don't like. This is know as life. I lived in the fucking Vietnam war you fucking coward, and have lived in other regions of conflict as well, you have no idea what war is because all you have ever experienced of war is you couch potato blood lust for more war on your television screen. There is nothing uglier and more pathetic in the universe than a loud mouthed war demanding coward. Those who have actually seen war and know what war is are not nearly as enthusiastic for it as coddled punks like you Mitch. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:57 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. By all means disagree with me, but when you begin to suggest I am a traitor because I disagree with your insane desire for a global war you have crossed a line -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:22 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how things come about, if they even do? To give this possibility a chance. It will never have a chance if communists, like yourself, dominate in politics, academia, and the media. Your side empowers the Jihadists and because they fit into your ideology as victims, ignore what they do and say, in real life. In fact, your team really wants the jihadists to eliminate your common enemy, America, the middle class, free thinkers, religious conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't tow the party line, basically the same assholes who turned a blind eye to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. When the Stalin-Hitler Pact of Steel was signed (1939-41), your side, worldwide, ceased its criticism of the Nazis
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Trolling? And you are the one with the accusations and epithets? I was thinking you like to do preemptive accusations of trolling, while trolling. As far as knowing you, I mean if the foo shits, wear it. You fit the pattern, the language that you choose to use, etc. The Michael Moore mentality, and method. It is what it is, and further analysis is not necessary. But, its not about you or I, but it is about surviving the Islamist onslaught that seems to be gathering. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 1:32 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] I like your use of the word calumny. An endless clash of civilization? Naw! But we do need to defend ourselves against the jihadi, and be able to retaliate, which is something you are totally against and have stated this, repeatedly. You are not anti-war, merely anti-US wars. If you were a true pacifist, you would logically be anti-war, across the board. You are not against Islamist attacks in the west, because you believe they are justified. This is where you cross the line comrade. Your true war is against middle America. As for solutions, you ain't interested, to put it mildly. You are seemingly very keen to be the agit-prop on this mailing list to cavil about anyone not following the party line. So go ahead, troll away! You have a penchant for telling other people what they are… do you just pull this crap straight out of your ass or what? You don’t know me, idiot troll, and yet you continuously define me saying I am this and I am that. You are an arrogant and obnoxious bore who just wants to argue… please go away troll. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:55 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Well you make these declarative statements regarding what you feel is fit for this country, with your own list of who is naughty and nice, and yourself as chief judge of who is to be included, and who is to be cast out. This is so much like extreme Christian fundamentalists and your beloved, Islamists, that I wonder how drawn you might have been to tyranical ideologies. This, would explain a lot. It may come as a surprise to you but in a democratic system people have differences of opinion and do not always agree on policy. However when a yahoo like you begins to slander anyone who opposes their policy by accusing them of supporting the enemy – e.g. of committing treasonous acts – you have left the big tent of democratic debate and have instead chosen to support totalitarianism. Your support of the imposition of a totalitarian system – to crush dissent and a diversity of opinions -- makes you a self-declared enemy of the republic. It is by your actions and by your calumny of anyone who dares to disagree with your fanatical advocacy for an endless war that you define yourself as adhering to an extremist totalitarian political ideology. Crushing dissent is not the way of democracy; it is the preference of totalitarians the world over (and it does not matter much what philosophy they putatively espouse, it is by their actions and kind of argument that they can be recognized. You share more with ISIS and the world view of hatred that drives them than you do with the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment that are enshrined in the US constitution and recognized as being the founding principles upon which our republic is based. I have as little love of the Islamists as I have for you Mitch… you are cut from the same cloth. Both you and ISIS espouse totalitarian solutions. You are far more like them than you may realize. You hate them, but like ISIS, you seek to impose a totalitarian monolithic order in order to mount a clash of civilizations endless war. You are just like the psychopath ISIS thugs and criminals in this crucial sense. You are an enemy of our Republic because you choose to subvert the ideals upon which it is based. Instead I support our Constitution and the Republic it is the basis for. This is the basic difference between what you believe and what I believe. I fully expect you to continue with your calumny and call me all manner of things that I am not… for you to continue to try to insinuate that I some kind of traitor who supports terrorist groups (who you darkly suggest will be dealt with once your side
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] I like your use of the word calumny. An endless clash of civilization? Naw! But we do need to defend ourselves against the jihadi, and be able to retaliate, which is something you are totally against and have stated this, repeatedly. You are not anti-war, merely anti-US wars. If you were a true pacifist, you would logically be anti-war, across the board. You are not against Islamist attacks in the west, because you believe they are justified. This is where you cross the line comrade. Your true war is against middle America. As for solutions, you ain't interested, to put it mildly. You are seemingly very keen to be the agit-prop on this mailing list to cavil about anyone not following the party line. So go ahead, troll away! You have a penchant for telling other people what they are… do you just pull this crap straight out of your ass or what? You don’t know me, idiot troll, and yet you continuously define me saying I am this and I am that. You are an arrogant and obnoxious bore who just wants to argue… please go away troll. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:55 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Well you make these declarative statements regarding what you feel is fit for this country, with your own list of who is naughty and nice, and yourself as chief judge of who is to be included, and who is to be cast out. This is so much like extreme Christian fundamentalists and your beloved, Islamists, that I wonder how drawn you might have been to tyranical ideologies. This, would explain a lot. It may come as a surprise to you but in a democratic system people have differences of opinion and do not always agree on policy. However when a yahoo like you begins to slander anyone who opposes their policy by accusing them of supporting the enemy – e.g. of committing treasonous acts – you have left the big tent of democratic debate and have instead chosen to support totalitarianism. Your support of the imposition of a totalitarian system – to crush dissent and a diversity of opinions -- makes you a self-declared enemy of the republic. It is by your actions and by your calumny of anyone who dares to disagree with your fanatical advocacy for an endless war that you define yourself as adhering to an extremist totalitarian political ideology. Crushing dissent is not the way of democracy; it is the preference of totalitarians the world over (and it does not matter much what philosophy they putatively espouse, it is by their actions and kind of argument that they can be recognized. You share more with ISIS and the world view of hatred that drives them than you do with the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment that are enshrined in the US constitution and recognized as being the founding principles upon which our republic is based. I have as little love of the Islamists as I have for you Mitch… you are cut from the same cloth. Both you and ISIS espouse totalitarian solutions. You are far more like them than you may realize. You hate them, but like ISIS, you seek to impose a totalitarian monolithic order in order to mount a clash of civilizations endless war. You are just like the psychopath ISIS thugs and criminals in this crucial sense. You are an enemy of our Republic because you choose to subvert the ideals upon which it is based. Instead I support our Constitution and the Republic it is the basis for. This is the basic difference between what you believe and what I believe. I fully expect you to continue with your calumny and call me all manner of things that I am not… for you to continue to try to insinuate that I some kind of traitor who supports terrorist groups (who you darkly suggest will be dealt with once your side sweeps to power) This continued and long standing behavior of yours Mitch, is why I view you as an enemy of our Republic and of the Constitution upon which it is based. I am here and I am not going anywhere, and I will not let you intimidate me into silence. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:21 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:15 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Well, like I mentioned earlier, you always gripe about any US military action, and say nothing about other nations, and groups, agressions. This means, like the old Vietnam protestors, you were against the Vietnam war (making Breshnev smile) but these self same people had zero to say or do, regarding the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or, more currently, nothing to say about Islamic wars and aggressions. So, this incongruence doesn't wash. This is picking sides, which is something I openly do, and you don't like. This is know as life. I lived in the fucking Vietnam war you fucking coward, and have lived in other regions of conflict as well, you have no idea what war is because all you have ever experienced of war is you couch potato blood lust for more war on your television screen. There is nothing uglier and more pathetic in the universe than a loud mouthed war demanding coward. Those who have actually seen war and know what war is are not nearly as enthusiastic for it as coddled punks like you Mitch. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:57 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. By all means disagree with me, but when you begin to suggest I am a traitor because I disagree with your insane desire for a global war you have crossed a line -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:22 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how things come about, if they even do? To give this possibility a chance. It will never have a chance if communists, like yourself, dominate in politics, academia, and the media. Your side empowers the Jihadists and because they fit into your ideology as victims, ignore what they do and say, in real life. In fact, your team really wants the jihadists to eliminate your common enemy, America, the middle class, free thinkers, religious conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't tow the party line, basically the same assholes who turned a blind eye to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. When the Stalin-Hitler Pact of Steel was signed (1939-41), your side, worldwide, ceased its criticism of the Nazis, so as to align itself with Stalin. Woody Guthrie, for example, withdrew a song about Adolf that he had sung in 1938. This essentially is your side, your team, and the Jihadists are someone you sympathize with. Your side is killing off hope for any human future. This is sad for the whole world. You are simply another fanatic who knows what you feel, so thanks for the polarization. My side? Come on give it a rest troll. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 6:06 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its
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It's just that decided to oppose your love affair to get us to submit to Sharia. On the likelihood of an average American or French person dying of jihadist assassination, versus a lightning strike, I tend to agree with you statistically, but fear the odds are changing in my favor. I am more alarmed by the active intimidation that is now manifest in Europe today. We have heard about the French and the Banilues, but the same is even more extent in Malmo, Sweden for example, which is usually not focused on. The police there no go zones are especially profound in Sweden, then France or the Netherlands, and I am not stating that there are not danger zones in either nation. Comparatively, I tend to be more welcoming to the US of Mexican citizens, working here and becoming Americans, in time. Why? Because they are open to American culture. With Islam you get Sharia, and with sharia, we get aggression. To deny that the Islamists are not succeeding is to deny reality. Lastly, I sort of don't care what you feel about me or how much you like to troll. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 4:21 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? As one-who-has-never-seen-war your braying bloodlust and your single minded demands for yet another round of shock and awe on CNN are frankly pathological there is something uniquely disgusting about loudmouthed punks such as you, demanding other peoples blood to be spilled. A US citizen or French citizen has more chance of dying from a lightening strike or a bee sting than from an act of terrorism; it is the actuary reality. Yet you demand this miniscule actual threat be responded to by forcing the entire world into a total war, which will certainly kill a whole lot more Americans (and people of other nationalities) than the ISIS ever will in a million years. I vocally oppose your bloody minded insanity and as a result you continuously vilify me, accusing me of consorting with the enemy (a capital offense) and other unfounded, calumnious lies. You are an offensive loser who obviously has nothing better to do than slander other people... how about you get a life Mitch? From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Lots of people fought in the wars of the US, and do not have the attitude, opinions, and beliefs that you own. I know these people, some family members, who are in the marines and army infantry and have lost friends, and they don't see things as you do. Vietnam was quite a while ago and now we have an all volunteer army, since 1973. When asked by me, these people seemed to be even more aggressive than I. I would also say since the days of the draft, which were the soldiers of your experience, later generations of military are there by choice. Being anti-American is not the same thing as anti-war. The people whom I have spoken, who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, with would take umbrage at your statements. The self righteousness thing, also an earmark of socialists, marxists, so-called antiwar, communists, is unimpressive at best, demagogic, most likely. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 1:37 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:15 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Well, like I mentioned earlier, you always gripe about any US military action, and say nothing about other nations, and groups, agressions. This means, like the old Vietnam protestors, you were against the Vietnam war (making Breshnev smile) but these self same people had zero to say or do, regarding the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or, more currently, nothing to say about Islamic wars and aggressions. So, this incongruence doesn't wash. This is picking sides, which is something I openly do, and you don't like. This is know as life. I lived in the fucking Vietnam war you fucking coward, and have lived in other regions of conflict as well, you have no idea what war is because all you have ever experienced of war is you couch potato blood lust for more war on your television screen. There is nothing uglier and more pathetic in the universe than a loud mouthed war demanding coward. Those who have actually seen war and know what war is are not nearly as enthusiastic for it as coddled punks like you Mitch. -Original
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As one-who-has-never-seen-war your braying bloodlust and your single minded demands for yet another round of shock and awe on CNN are frankly pathological there is something uniquely disgusting about loudmouthed punks such as you, demanding other peoples blood to be spilled. A US citizen or French citizen has more chance of dying from a lightening strike or a bee sting than from an act of terrorism; it is the actuary reality. Yet you demand this miniscule actual threat be responded to by forcing the entire world into a total war, which will certainly kill a whole lot more Americans (and people of other nationalities) than the ISIS ever will in a million years.I vocally oppose your bloody minded insanity and as a result you continuously vilify me, accusing me of consorting with the enemy (a capital offense) and other unfounded, calumnious lies. You are an offensive loser who obviously has nothing better to do than slander other people... how about you get a life Mitch? From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Lots of people fought in the wars of the US, and do not have the attitude, opinions, and beliefs that you own. I know these people, some family members, who are in the marines and army infantry and have lost friends, and they don't see things as you do. Vietnam was quite a while ago and now we have an all volunteer army, since 1973. When asked by me, these people seemed to be even more aggressive than I. I would also say since the days of the draft, which were the soldiers of your experience, later generations of military are there by choice. Being anti-American is not the same thing as anti-war. The people whom I have spoken, who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, with would take umbrage at your statements. The self righteousness thing, also an earmark of socialists, marxists, so-called antiwar, communists, is unimpressive at best, demagogic, most likely. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 1:37 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:15 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Well, like I mentioned earlier, you always gripe about any US military action, and say nothing about other nations, and groups, agressions. This means, like the old Vietnam protestors, you were against the Vietnam war (making Breshnev smile) but these self same people had zero to say or do, regarding the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or, more currently, nothing to say about Islamic wars and aggressions. So, this incongruence doesn't wash. This is picking sides, which is something I openly do, and you don't like. This is know as life. I lived in the fucking Vietnam war you fucking coward, and have lived in other regions of conflict as well, you have no idea what war is because all you have ever experienced of war is you couch potato blood lust for more war on your television screen. There is nothing uglier and more pathetic in the universe than a loud mouthed war demanding coward. Those who have actually seen war and know what war is are not nearly as enthusiastic for it as coddled punks like you Mitch. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:57 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile MailJust stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. By all means disagree with me, but when you begin to suggest I am a traitor because I disagree with your insane desire for a global war you have crossed a line -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:22 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list
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From: spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com It's just that decided to oppose your love affair to get us to submit to Sharia. If you believe that you are out of your mind On the likelihood of an average American or French person dying of jihadist assassination, versus a lightning strike, I tend to agree with you statistically, but fear the odds are changing in my favor. In your favor? Do you think of this as some kind of sport with a game score? Are you really this insane? I am more alarmed by the active intimidation that is now manifest in Europe today. We have heard about the French and the Banilues, but the same is even more extent in Malmo, Sweden for example, which is usually not focused on. The police there no go zones are especially profound in Sweden, then France or the Netherlands, and I am not stating that there are not danger zones in either nation. You speak of such things as if you had actual knowledge,but I know for a fact that you got them from the current popular Tea Party talking points. Clearly, like a good foot soldier you are echoing what your thought leaders have instructed you to echo. Very original of you Mitch. Have you tried walking through North Philly or South Chicago? The worst ghettos and projects tend to be no go areas in every society that has them. -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Yes indeed, we too have no go zones, but in the US, this doesn't include the police. The police do go into crime zones, but in th EU, they demure, so as not to create conflict. That in itself is a big difference. In Paris, the local muslims block traffic whilst the lay down their prayer rugs in the street, most likely to show dominance. There are serious studies by academics regarding public muslim behavior that are illuminating. Because of your ideology, and it is hard Left you know, the uma cannot do bad things, because they are permanent victims to you. This is the narrative of socialists, progressives, antiwar types, and, your faith movement, rather then cognitive analysis and reflection. Thus, your kind excuses, and tries to explain away Islamist behavior. As far as the tea baggers go, they have some interesting ideas about the consolidation of power amongst the elites, but politically, they seem ineffectual. I use ideas from any thinker of any persuasion, that can produce fixes for troubles. A fix either works or it doesn't, so its seeking the matter of fact, rather then opinion. From watching Obama, and the EU, the cateting to the Islamists, has proved a huge failure. The nice thing about the tea baggers was that they appeared to be a vanguard proletariat, to quote Lenin. They fizzeled largely because of amateurishness, and political disorganization. I say we need a strong and prospering America, till eithe the singularity hits, or your Jesus returns. Either is good with me. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 26, 2015 05:06 PM Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? div id=AOLMsgPart_2_4b6f996f-1526-4412-971a-e09e50a01cce div class=aolReplacedBody div style=color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24003 span/span div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24007 div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24006 div dir=ltr id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24005 style=font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; hr size=1 font size=2 face=Arial id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24009 bspan style=font-weight:bold;From:/span/b spudboy100 via Everything List a href=mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;everything-list@googlegroups.com/a /font /div div class=aolmail_y_msg_container id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24011 div id=aolmail_yiv1928781359 div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 style=font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font color=black size=2 face=arial id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24013It's just that decided to oppose your love affair to get us to submit to Sharia./font /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 style=font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font color=black size=2 face=arial /font /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 dir=ltr font color=black id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24028 size=3If you believe that you are out of your mind/font /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 style=font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font color=black size=2 face=arial /font /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 style=font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font color=black size=2 face=arial id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24030 On the likelihood of an average American or French person dying of jihadist assassination, versus a lightning strike, I tend to agree with you statistically, but fear the odds are changing in my favor. /font /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 style=font-size: 16px; font color=black size=2 /font /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 dir=ltr font color=black id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24129 face=HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif size=3In your favor? Do you think of this as some kind of sport with a game score? Are you really this insane?/font /div div id=aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1422302912084_24014 style=font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font color=black size=2 face=arial /font /div div id
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I like your use of the word calumny. An endless clash of civilization? Naw! But we do need to defend ourselves against the jihadi, and be able to retaliate, which is something you are totally against and have stated this, repeatedly. You are not anti-war, merely anti-US wars. If you were a true pacifist, you would logically be anti-war, across the board. You are not against Islamist attacks in the west, because you believe they are justified. This is where you cross the line comrade. Your true war is against middle America. As for solutions, you ain't interested, to put it mildly. You are seemingly very keen to be the agit-prop on this mailing list to cavil about anyone not following the party line. So go ahead, troll away! -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:55 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Well you make these declarative statements regarding what you feel is fit for this country, with your own list of who is naughty and nice, and yourself as chief judge of who is to be included, and who is to be cast out. This is so much like extreme Christian fundamentalists and your beloved, Islamists, that I wonder how drawn you might have been to tyranical ideologies. This, would explain a lot. It may come as a surprise to you but in a democratic system people have differences of opinion and do not always agree on policy. However when a yahoo like you begins to slander anyone who opposes their policy by accusing them of supporting the enemy – e.g. of committing treasonous acts – you have left the big tent of democratic debate and have instead chosen to support totalitarianism. Your support of the imposition of a totalitarian system – to crush dissent and a diversity of opinions -- makes you a self-declared enemy of the republic. It is by your actions and by your calumny of anyone who dares to disagree with your fanatical advocacy for an endless war that you define yourself as adhering to an extremist totalitarian political ideology. Crushing dissent is not the way of democracy; it is the preference of totalitarians the world over (and it does not matter much what philosophy they putatively espouse, it is by their actions and kind of argument that they can be recognized. You share more with ISIS and the world view of hatred that drives them than you do with the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment that are enshrined in the US constitution and recognized as being the founding principles upon which our republic is based. I have as little love of the Islamists as I have for you Mitch… you are cut from the same cloth. Both you and ISIS espouse totalitarian solutions. You are far more like them than you may realize. You hate them, but like ISIS, you seek to impose a totalitarian monolithic order in order to mount a clash of civilizations endless war. You are just like the psychopath ISIS thugs and criminals in this crucial sense. You are an enemy of our Republic because you choose to subvert the ideals upon which it is based. Instead I support our Constitution and the Republic it is the basis for. This is the basic difference between what you believe and what I believe. I fully expect you to continue with your calumny and call me all manner of things that I am not… for you to continue to try to insinuate that I some kind of traitor who supports terrorist groups (who you darkly suggest will be dealt with once your side sweeps to power) This continued and long standing behavior of yours Mitch, is why I view you as an enemy of our Republic and of the Constitution upon which it is based. I am here and I am not going anywhere, and I will not let you intimidate me into silence. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:21 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, not true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so that it will fall into the correct hands. You have zero criticism of Bamer's NSA, and you want us to sympathize with the Paris bombers. They are only doing it because of the evil Americans! Not really. What I am trying to subvert(?) is the unanswered propaganda spewed by yourself, with some occasional facts
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Well, like I mentioned earlier, you always gripe about any US military action, and say nothing about other nations, and groups, agressions. This means, like the old Vietnam protestors, you were against the Vietnam war (making Breshnev smile) but these self same people had zero to say or do, regarding the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Or, more currently, nothing to say about Islamic wars and aggressions. So, this incongruence doesn't wash. This is picking sides, which is something I openly do, and you don't like. This is know as life. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 8:57 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. By all means disagree with me, but when you begin to suggest I am a traitor because I disagree with your insane desire for a global war you have crossed a line -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:22 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how things come about, if they even do? To give this possibility a chance. It will never have a chance if communists, like yourself, dominate in politics, academia, and the media. Your side empowers the Jihadists and because they fit into your ideology as victims, ignore what they do and say, in real life. In fact, your team really wants the jihadists to eliminate your common enemy, America, the middle class, free thinkers, religious conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't tow the party line, basically the same assholes who turned a blind eye to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. When the Stalin-Hitler Pact of Steel was signed (1939-41), your side, worldwide, ceased its criticism of the Nazis, so as to align itself with Stalin. Woody Guthrie, for example, withdrew a song about Adolf that he had sung in 1938. This essentially is your side, your team, and the Jihadists are someone you sympathize with. Your side is killing off hope for any human future. This is sad for the whole world. You are simply another fanatic who knows what you feel, so thanks for the polarization. My side? Come on give it a rest troll. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 6:06 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its never that he and his droogies are anti-war, but they are anti-Us participation in any war you can think of. Beyond that, the Islamists are now trying for the death of 1000 cuts, little strikes, lone wolves, loaners, etc. Eventually they will be in a position to gain better weaponry and funding and planning. Do you think I am wrong? You are an enemy of the ideals and principles the country I love was founded on, Mitch. You are an enemy of the republic who would subvert it from within and turn it into a One Party totalitarian state where opposition to the Party becomes a crime against the state. That is the sick ideology you represent and adhere to; it is foreign and inimical to the principles of the Republic. You may wrap yourself in the American flag, in fact I am quite sure that you do, but you are an enemy of the underlying
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Yeah, yeah, we can both agree the French and British sucked. If you want to make them accurately, uncomfortable, mention the Belgian rubber empire in the 19th century. Their king, a labor reformer at home, over saw the murder of maybe 8 million people over 20 years, on rubber plantations. Human history is replete with slaughter. Now that things are a bit more civilized, it'd be a tragedy for the west to lose out to Islamist savages-which is what they are, just like we were, not so long ago. The French for example. are supine, even in the face of an Islamist attack 2 weeks ago. This is not a sign of peace, but a sign of a failing society. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 9:08 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. What makes the ball game is people sowing fear and reaping aggression on all sides by committing violent acts for political and economic gain, which is a threat. It's perhaps a fine line between recognizing this fact and falling prey to the PR ploy as recognizing the fact brings our own political lines, which furthers the ploy's objective, into play. Brent made a good point: compare violence to potency of other threats. I'd add cui bono, obligatory grain of salt, and maybe we don't need cartoons to replace our thinking or humor. PGC It would behoove us to at least recognize that the roots of the problems in the middle east run deeper than offense at a cartoon. It is a complex mess with deep historical roots going back to the Ottoman period and on through the period of French and British colonial rule. There are no easy solutions and the problem is not going away. In order to manage the situation, as it has become, we need to at the very least have a clear and comprehensive understanding of the issues and forces that are driving resurgent medievalism in the middle east (but not only there… there is a surge of the medievalist mind in the USA, and I imagine to some degree in Western Europe as well) -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
You are justifying the hatred and aggressions by Islamists against the rest of us. This is a big mistake. One counter example of Islamist murders against Christian Filipinos, Buddhist Thais, Hindus in India and Kashmir, Islamist aggression in Ceylon, in Sudan, in Nigeria, etc. These nations have zero to do with western imperialists. Here, at least, there's no cause and effect. If Algerian murderers in Paris kill magazine editors and Jews, who are they avenging? Is it Muslim honor, the Algerians, Palestinians, Syrians, the US president's negotiation with Iran because they are Shia vs ISIS Sunnis??? You make excuses for them to justify their actions. In essence you support them and their actions, This is fine with me. Each to their own. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 10:02 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. The point is not to paper over the aggression done to expand the faith and enable a caliphate. Not to empower these aggressors, these new colonials. What about remediations for all this, I have a couple of vague ideas on what may work, circulated here before. Baring this or some other ideas, I suppose we all must play the hand we're dealt. Perhaps if we stopped invading their lands… and bombing them into freedom… torturing them into adopting Western “democratic values” they might not hate us as much as they do. We are witnessing the bumper crop sowed by the neocon inspired operation Iraqi freedom… ISIS is the bastard child of the last generational war. More bombs… and certainly a clash of civilizations end game is not a solution; it is just a horribly expensive recipe for continuous war. A cui bono? Not me, and that’s for fucking sure! Excuse me, if I piss all over your sick puppy, pathological desire for eternal war! (you who has never ever seen what war is up close and personal… you demand other people go do the killing and the dying for you, why are you still sitting on the couch? Sally forth and ride off to fight you own damn crusade… coward! You neocon bastards… have already murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, you have already prescribed the solution of bombing people to freedom, how many more people must die in your neocon nightmare before the world wakes up and shake you all off… in the same manner as when someone realizes they have body lice. What would really help this earth is for some effective neocon delousing powder… it needs to be liberally applied all across the Anglo-American world (and in Israel and much of the EU) You had your time, hundreds of thousands of people died as a result… and you left the world with the parting gift of psychotic blowback in the form of ISIS. You’re neocon centered world view is bankrupt and devoid of substantive actual understanding arising from reality based perception. Go do your own killing and dying, leave the rest of us out of it… this world of ours does not need yet another chickenhawk couch potato psycho-general. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 3:37 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:58 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, John, Chris P. is invoking imaginary Muslims who do not really exist in fact, but he desperately, wants to believe they do exist in real life. Chris P. is like many people, including world leaders like BHO who ideologically(?) will never concede that the majority of the Uma*, are fanatics, or silent in the face of fanaticism. Why are these folks this way? My best guess, is that they see that: a) the radical islamists are winning. And they'd better not speak up just in case. b) the ruling classes in the west, are weak-minded, or hungry for Islamic oil monies. So thus are cowards. c) Allah, might be on the side of the jihadists, so they, the uma, had better say nothing. I think western progressive liberals fail to speak out against a evil force that threatens their very core values for none of the above reasons, I think they do it because they've been
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Hee Hee! Still doing the Alinsky two-step? To be blunt, nobody did felatio better on Adolf's winkie back then, as your buddy, Joe Stalin did. Not, old man Kennedy, not even Neville Chamberlain performed as well. And Stalin ended up paying for it, or rather his half-murdered nation did. How will you expel me, or eradicate unwanted types like myself? Remember, those who fail to plan, plan to fail. :-D Mitch, you are an ignorant troll and the values you represent are antithetical to the values that the United States was founded on; you are an agent of an alien totalitarian ideology; a brown shirt tool of the enemies of our republic. You are an enemy of the US constitution and the republic that was founded upon those ideals. Fascists like you are trying to subvert our Republic from within and destroy it from within. You, continuously insinuate that I am consorting with enemies of the republic (e.g. committing treasonous acts) and question my patriotism, because I dare to oppose the mad ideology you represent! As a patriot I consider it my sacred duty to oppose brown-shirt tools of an alien and hostile ideology seeking to subvert the country I hold dear from within; you oppose the foundational ideals of America; you adhere to an ideology that would subvert the US Constitution and the republic founded upon it, imposing a totalitarian one party rule. Mitch, it is you, not I, who is un-American. -Chris Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 3:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow. Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the Jihadists.Think of Charles Lindbergh and the German American Bund, circa 1941. And, there's the likelihood that most people will say, At least under Bushie43, we felt safe. Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. I was a kid and did not ask to witness that war either, but life had other plans for me, and I lived through a piece of history. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. Okay, but you sound that way when you go all reflexive and attribute all the violence in the Middle east and that spills over here to “them” having been offended by some cartoon, when the problems and issues run much deeper than that. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. I get along just fine with most people… it is mainly just you and Mitch (aka spudboy
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its never that he and his droogies are anti-war, but they are anti-Us participation in any war you can think of. Beyond that, the Islamists are now trying for the death of 1000 cuts, little strikes, lone wolves, loaners, etc. Eventually they will be in a position to gain better weaponry and funding and planning. Do you think I am wrong? You are an enemy of the ideals and principles the country I love was founded on, Mitch. You are an enemy of the republic who would subvert it from within and turn it into a One Party totalitarian state where opposition to the Party becomes a crime against the state. That is the sick ideology you represent and adhere to; it is foreign and inimical to the principles of the Republic. You may wrap yourself in the American flag, in fact I am quite sure that you do, but you are an enemy of the underlying principles of the Republic that flag represents. You are a troll on a mission to help bring about a clash of civilizations eternal state of war… fuck you and your mission, I despise cowards like you who demand other people go off to kill and die. Face it buddy, you are an un-American Fascist troll. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/25/2015 5:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamists as victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't get you anywhere. WTF are you on about? Chris didn't say anything siding with the US's enemies or defending Islamic terrorists. You sound like one of Rush's ditto heads. Islamic terrorists are just that - terrorists. They have no more chance of conquering the U.S. or Western Europe than the North Vietnamese did. At a national level they are a public health problem like auto accidents and measles. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:02 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:35 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? What? You don't think if I post my position a few more dozen times, that the problem will not disappear from the global stage? Dear Internet of grand opinionage, I am disappointed in you! I wish you luck on your world changing quest…. There is some possibility that a few dozen or more posts on your part could trigger some world history altering re-framing within billions of minds; good luck on that. Go easy on me, man! The truth hurts enough, even though you said no single truth at the end of your last post, so I guess it's ok, if that itself is true...but wait! Oh no, my paradox is eating me alive... PG(no more time to complete acronym) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. You may not like me, Well..., it doesn't exactly cement the bonds of friendship to express the wish that I get Alzheimer's disease and that only then after your brain has fully and completely rotted into a plaque ridden mush does nature finally do the kindness of killing you off. It just doesn't seem very friendly to say that an amusing thought would be me growing into a vegetative Alzheimer riddled sponge and that the thought still cracks me up with laughter John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:26 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? You are justifying the hatred and aggressions by Islamists against the rest of us. This is a big mistake. One counter example of Islamist murders against Christian Filipinos, Buddhist Thais, Hindus in India and Kashmir, Islamist aggression in Ceylon, in Sudan, in Nigeria, etc. These nations have zero to do with western imperialists. Here, at least, there's no cause and effect. If Algerian murderers in Paris kill magazine editors and Jews, who are they avenging? Is it Muslim honor, the Algerians, Palestinians, Syrians, the US president's negotiation with Iran because they are Shia vs ISIS Sunnis??? You make excuses for them to justify their actions. In essence you support them and their actions, This is fine with me. Each to their own. A lying ugly response that is straight out of Goebel’s recipe in his Nazi cookbook of how to do propaganda. You make evil insinuations about my motives and attempt to equate any opposition to your mad desire for a clash of civilizations with support for the terrorists. That is both an evil and a dishonest thing to do… loser. Here is an appropriate Goebels quote that describes exactly what you are doing: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The big difference is that he was the Minister of propaganda of an ascendant Nazi regime, while you are merely some psychopath couch potato wannabe warrior pining to see some more shock and awe on light up television screen. A fucking evil clown is what you are Mitch -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 10:02 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. The point is not to paper over the aggression done to expand the faith and enable a caliphate. Not to empower these aggressors, these new colonials. What about remediations for all this, I have a couple of vague ideas on what may work, circulated here before. Baring this or some other ideas, I suppose we all must play the hand we're dealt. Perhaps if we stopped invading their lands… and bombing them into freedom… torturing them into adopting Western “democratic values” they might not hate us as much as they do. We are witnessing the bumper crop sowed by the neocon inspired operation Iraqi freedom… ISIS is the bastard child of the last generational war. More bombs… and certainly a clash of civilizations end game is not a solution; it is just a horribly expensive recipe for continuous war. A cui bono? Not me, and that’s for fucking sure! Excuse me, if I piss all over your sick puppy, pathological desire for eternal war! (you who has never ever seen what war is up close and personal… you demand other people go do the killing and the dying for you, why are you still sitting on the couch? Sally forth and ride off to fight you own damn crusade… coward! You neocon bastards… have already murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, you have already prescribed the solution of bombing people to freedom, how many more people must die in your neocon nightmare before the world wakes up and shake you all off… in the same manner as when someone realizes they have body lice. What would really help this earth is for some effective neocon delousing powder… it needs to be liberally applied all across the Anglo-American world (and in Israel and much of the EU) You had your time, hundreds of thousands of people died as a result… and you left the world with the parting gift of psychotic blowback in the form of ISIS. You’re neocon centered world view is bankrupt and devoid of substantive actual understanding arising from reality based perception. Go do your own killing and dying, leave the rest of us out of it… this world of ours does not need yet another chickenhawk couch potato psycho-general. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamists as victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't get you anywhere. My guess is that it is likely that when the Islamists strike again in the US, there will be a large scale public reaction. Remember 9-11? Think of the quietude of most progressives back then...silence. This time I see a day of rage, directed against the enablers and sympathizers of the Islamists. But that day may never happen, in the sense that only lone wolf attacks are doable. But if the worse happens, the supporters of Jihad, even though they are atheist - socialists will be focused on. Don't change your mind, but be aware, at least. My siding with who? … you are a lying sack of insinuating shit… a brown shirt fascist Tea Party freak… you and your filthy Nazi ideology have no place in America; you are antithetical to everything this country stands for evil fascist clown. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 11:36 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Have you ever lived through shock and awe.. in real life, not the remote digitally delivered sound and light show you see on CNN, but the real live terrifying horrendous fucking thing? No. Have you? Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager when my eyes were opened up wide to the true meaning and reality of war. I experienced the hatred up close and personal; I was there right up (13 days) to the end and witnessed the implosion of a regime. I have seen people executed in front of me and had M16s hot from just being fired pointed at me and seen my life flash by. I have seen napalm burned wrecks of human beings living on sidewalks as refugees, with nowhere to piss and no hope to live for… dead empty eyes of war depression…. I have seen lepers their cheeks eaten away by the disease… heard the bombs and saw the green flares parachute down followed by the flashes and booms…. Night after night, after night…. Seen convoys of coffins… two per truck, returning the dead. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon at that time, as the entire system imploded in those end of regime days. I have been personally the object of the hatred and had my head really bloodied in a big circle of hissing pure venomous hatred directed at me – the American teenager stand in for all the wrongs done to them. I learned how to be a warrior on that very day, how to commit myself to an existential immediacy of life and death struggle, surrounded by a blood thirsty hissing mob. I am alive, because I learned how to be a warrior when I was just 15 and I fought my way out going for the mobs leader – I knew I was going to kill him if I was going to die…. And my calm directed deadly intent blew an opening in the circle of hatred around me. My early life I spent in countries under-going regime change or where dark history was being made – e.g. in locales that fit the ancient Chinese curse of may you live in interesting times. I saw starving children with Kwashiorkor in Liberia when I was a five year old kid. Our world, in truth, when all the BS is stripped away, is a world of haves and have nothings, divided between warring spheres of influence, each ruled by largely occult and rarely mentioned elites who operate behind the superficial forms and ceremony that is kept front and center in order to distract and obfuscate. I grew up in the front line places where this great game was being executed on and it took me more than a decade to understand and work through all of the repercussions of the soul, that living through the kinds of intense experiences I did live through (my father seemed to always end up right in the middle of world’s dirty wars… and coup d'état working it from the “diplomatic” side of things). I have been to Afghanistan and to Libya… I swam amongst
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:02 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:35 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? What? You don't think if I post my position a few more dozen times, that the problem will not disappear from the global stage? Dear Internet of grand opinionage, I am disappointed in you! I wish you luck on your world changing quest…. There is some possibility that a few dozen or more posts on your part could trigger some world history altering re-framing within billions of minds; good luck on that. Go easy on me, man! The truth hurts enough, even though you said no single truth at the end of your last post, so I guess it's ok, if that itself is true...but wait! Oh no, my paradox is eating me alive... PG(no more time to complete acronym) Ahhh… the dread paradox predicament…. Consider this: there are multiple truths and each hurts in its own way; it is therefore of some common comfort that nothing can escape! -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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John, I don't know if I agree. Evil, can mean anything from opposing abortion, to supporting abortion. How ought we define evil. A refined definition is clearer, so I go with my own definition based only on behavior. For me, its like a motorist going through a 25 mph zone, at 85 mph. Illegal, and the reason why needs to be questioned. Even if the speeder was rushing to the hospital for an emergency for a family member, and the speeder kills someone, by accident, how are we to judge the accidental homicide? That's law and we are speaking of the Law called Sharia, to be imposed on all of us, and empowered by the Progressives, worldwide. As to the vileness of the jihadists, this is beyond question. The enablers of the Jihad, the academics and the politicians from the white house on down, are setting themselves up for a societal change, I suspect. Why? Because their description of the Islamists and who they are, their culture, then opinions, attitudes, and beliefs, do not factually match the reality. So what? What, will be, for the US, when the Jihadists successfully strike, once more, in the nation. Then, I believe, will a plurality of US citizens say: At least under Bush we felt safe! I am not a Bushie fan, and believe he, like other Presidents, sell out the country. We survive, but we get sold out. Then, also, I guess, this plurality, will turn their anger upon the defenders and excuse-makers of the Jihadists. There's an article in the Atlantic magazine today (a liberal mag) suggesting that the Japanese may change their view on Islam and the Muslims, because of the ISIS execution. Who knows? -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 8:37 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, That is not unusual, most people in liberal western culture are far more uncomfortable with the word evil than they are with the word fuck, but I think its appropriate to use both words in certain circumstances. since what it means to everyone is too vague. There is no consensus on the meaning but to each individual the meaning of evil is about as un-vague as words get. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Don't forget ignorant and stupid! Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. Western colonialists may have been as evil as Islamic Jihadis, well... almost, but they were not as ignorant and they were not as stupid. Also Western colonialists had the good manners not to exist during my lifetime. For these reason they haven't earned as much of my contempt as the Islamic Jihadis have, but there is no disputing matters of taste so your mileage may vary. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Malign: Evil in nature/effect. Aggressive and expansionism: American Football Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. The point is not to paper over the aggression done to expand the faith and enable a caliphate. That would be trivializing evil, and therefore too vague. Right. Point taken. Not to empower these aggressors, these new colonials. That would be evil, and therefore too vague yet again, for example when the US fought to rid themselves of influence of British empire. Funny how people never have trouble telling who is who in such situation? Liberal idiots are the worst though. You have to protect freedom by taking it away from the whole cultural group; only shaming the whole group and liberals on this list, will solve the problem. Thankfully, we have this covered. Generously. What about remediations for all this, I have a couple of vague ideas on what may work, circulated here before. Which you will keep sharing, no matter what is said, thankfully. I guess, you will then follow that up with your assessment that you are quite powerless to do something in the first place? And then no excuses... to Chris today, as if you were presiding over a court case and were the list's appointed judge, that is quite funny and kind of sad. I make an effort to be the fool here, but yield to the tenacity, time, and sheer genius of the professionals. Out of my league this. PGC Armchair Colonel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamists as victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't get you anywhere. My guess is that it is likely that when the Islamists strike again in the US, there will be a large scale public reaction. Remember 9-11? Think of the quietude of most progressives back then...silence. This time I see a day of rage, directed against the enablers and sympathizers of the Islamists. But that day may never happen, in the sense that only lone wolf attacks are doable. But if the worse happens, the supporters of Jihad, even though they are atheist - socialists will be focused on. Don't change your mind, but be aware, at least. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 11:36 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Have you ever lived through shock and awe.. in real life, not the remote digitally delivered sound and light show you see on CNN, but the real live terrifying horrendous fucking thing? No. Have you? Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager when my eyes were opened up wide to the true meaning and reality of war. I experienced the hatred up close and personal; I was there right up (13 days) to the end and witnessed the implosion of a regime. I have seen people executed in front of me and had M16s hot from just being fired pointed at me and seen my life flash by. I have seen napalm burned wrecks of human beings living on sidewalks as refugees, with nowhere to piss and no hope to live for… dead empty eyes of war depression…. I have seen lepers their cheeks eaten away by the disease… heard the bombs and saw the green flares parachute down followed by the flashes and booms…. Night after night, after night…. Seen convoys of coffins… two per truck, returning the dead. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon at that time, as the entire system imploded in those end of regime days. I have been personally the object of the hatred and had my head really bloodied in a big circle of hissing pure venomous hatred directed at me – the American teenager stand in for all the wrongs done to them. I learned how to be a warrior on that very day, how to commit myself to an existential immediacy of life and death struggle, surrounded by a blood thirsty hissing mob. I am alive, because I learned how to be a warrior when I was just 15 and I fought my way out going for the mobs leader – I knew I was going to kill him if I was going to die…. And my calm directed deadly intent blew an opening in the circle of hatred around me. My early life I spent in countries under-going regime change or where dark history was being made – e.g. in locales that fit the ancient Chinese curse of may you live in interesting times. I saw starving children with Kwashiorkor in Liberia when I was a five year old kid. Our world, in truth, when all the BS is stripped away, is a world of haves and have nothings, divided between warring spheres of influence, each ruled by largely occult and rarely mentioned elites who operate behind the superficial forms and ceremony that is kept front and center in order to distract and obfuscate. I grew up in the front line places where this great game was being executed on and it took me more than a decade to understand and work through all of the repercussions of the soul, that living through the kinds of intense experiences I did live through (my father seemed to always end up right in the middle of world’s dirty wars… and coup d'état working it from the “diplomatic” side of things). I have been to Afghanistan and to Libya… I swam amongst the Roman temple columns that rise up out of the Mediterranean sea in the ruins of Leptis Magna and galloped on the best stallions on Earth (the Afghan stallions before the Russians invaded). Unlike the many internet couch potato generals demanding that others go to war to die for them I have personally walked into the lion’s den of Arab nationalism and confronted it personally in the flesh
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On 1/25/2015 5:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamists as victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't get you anywhere. WTF are you on about? Chris didn't say anything siding with the US's enemies or defending Islamic terrorists. You sound like one of Rush's ditto heads. Islamic terrorists are just that - terrorists. They have no more chance of conquering the U.S. or Western Europe than the North Vietnamese did. At a national level they are a public health problem like auto accidents and measles. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Hee Hee! Still doing the Alinsky two-step? To be blunt, nobody did felatio better on Adolf's winkie back then, as your buddy, Joe Stalin did. Not, old man Kennedy, not even Neville Chamberlain performed as well. And Stalin ended up paying for it, or rather his half-murdered nation did. How will you expel me, or eradicate unwanted types like myself? Remember, those who fail to plan, plan to fail. :-D Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 3:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow. Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the Jihadists.Think of Charles Lindbergh and the German American Bund, circa 1941. And, there's the likelihood that most people will say, At least under Bushie43, we felt safe. Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. I was a kid and did not ask to witness that war either, but life had other plans for me, and I lived through a piece of history. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. Okay, but you sound that way when you go all reflexive and attribute all the violence in the Middle east and that spills over here to “them” having been offended by some cartoon, when the problems and issues run much deeper than that. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. I get along just fine with most people… it is mainly just you and Mitch (aka spudboy) who is in a category all by himself. I think you are over generalizing things a little. But yeah I never aspired to be a “diplomat”… after all I grew up witnessing the reality of how the game is played. My father was the kind of diplomat by the way, who was debriefed, at the end of his career, for six months in Langley Virginia (there is US agency that is headquartered there). We were put up in an old Virginia farm house that had been owned by the first president George Washington. That should give you a clue who he worked for and what he did and how much dirt he knew. He ended his career in Honduras in the 1980s, during the time Ambassador Negroponte was there, for anyone who is aware of the actual history being written there during that period that should tell you everything you need to know. You may not like me, Well..., it doesn't exactly cement the bonds of friendship to express the wish that I get Alzheimer's disease and that only then after your brain has fully and completely rotted into a plaque ridden mush does nature finally do the kindness of killing you off. It just doesn't seem very friendly to say that an amusing thought would be me growing into a vegetative Alzheimer riddled sponge and that the thought still cracks me up with laughter It does not help when you
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Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its never that he and his droogies are anti-war, but they are anti-Us participation in any war you can think of. Beyond that, the Islamists are now trying for the death of 1000 cuts, little strikes, lone wolves, loaners, etc. Eventually they will be in a position to gain better weaponry and funding and planning. Do you think I am wrong? -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/25/2015 5:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: That is anunusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were youthere as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemiescarries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamistsas victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't getyou anywhere. WTF are you on about? Chris didn't say anything siding with the US's enemies or defending Islamic terrorists. You sound like one of Rush's ditto heads. Islamic terrorists are just that - terrorists. They have no more chance of conquering the U.S. or Western Europe than the North Vietnamese did. At a national level they are a public health problem like auto accidents and measles. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how things come about, if they even do? To give this possibility a chance. It will never have a chance if communists, like yourself, dominate in politics, academia, and the media. Your side empowers the Jihadists and because they fit into your ideology as victims, ignore what they do and say, in real life. In fact, your team really wants the jihadists to eliminate your common enemy, America, the middle class, free thinkers, religious conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't tow the party line, basically the same assholes who turned a blind eye to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. When the Stalin-Hitler Pact of Steel was signed (1939-41), your side, worldwide, ceased its criticism of the Nazis, so as to align itself with Stalin. Woody Guthrie, for example, withdrew a song about Adolf that he had sung in 1938. This essentially is your side, your team, and the Jihadists are someone you sympathize with. Your side is killing off hope for any human future. This is sad for the whole world. You are simply another fanatic who knows what you feel, so thanks for the polarization. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 6:06 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its never that he and his droogies are anti-war, but they are anti-Us participation in any war you can think of. Beyond that, the Islamists are now trying for the death of 1000 cuts, little strikes, lone wolves, loaners, etc. Eventually they will be in a position to gain better weaponry and funding and planning. Do you think I am wrong? You are an enemy of the ideals and principles the country I love was founded on, Mitch. You are an enemy of the republic who would subvert it from within and turn it into a One Party totalitarian state where opposition to the Party becomes a crime against the state. That is the sick ideology you represent and adhere to; it is foreign and inimical to the principles of the Republic. You may wrap yourself in the American flag, in fact I am quite sure that you do, but you are an enemy of the underlying principles of the Republic that flag represents. You are a troll on a mission to help bring about a clash of civilizations eternal state of war… fuck you and your mission, I despise cowards like you who demand other people go off to kill and die. Face it buddy, you are an un-American Fascist troll. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/25/2015 5:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamists as victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't get you anywhere. WTF are you on about? Chris didn't say anything siding with the US's enemies or defending Islamic terrorists. You sound like one of Rush's ditto heads. Islamic terrorists are just that - terrorists. They have no more chance of conquering the U.S. or Western Europe than the North Vietnamese did. At a national level they are a public health problem like auto accidents and measles. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, not true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so that it will fall into the correct hands. You have zero criticism of Bamer's NSA, and you want us to sympathize with the Paris bombers. They are only doing it because of the evil Americans! Not really. What I am trying to subvert(?) is the unanswered propaganda spewed by yourself, with some occasional facts. You are adapting what you think is the language of conservatives and doing the old head-game romp. You remind me of the swinish, Michael Moore, who wrote a book some years ago, titled, Where's my Country, Dude! My instant reply to Moore, is that, Your country is 90 miles off Miami, known as communist Cuba. Your opinions are pretty much in synch, with Moore's, Chris. You make accusations, but I quote history. This is mere technique. How will you purge me, comrade? You never answered. Mitch, you sound increasingly like a single issue troll…. on a mission, to drag the US into an unending clash of civilizations global war, accusing anyone who opposes your call to war of treasonous activity. You define yourself as an enemy of America and do so, by your own actions and adherence to an alien anti-American fascist ideology that is inimical to the core values our Republic stands for. I don’t need to purge you Mitch – you have outed yourself. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Hee Hee! Still doing the Alinsky two-step? To be blunt, nobody did felatio better on Adolf's winkie back then, as your buddy, Joe Stalin did. Not, old man Kennedy, not even Neville Chamberlain performed as well. And Stalin ended up paying for it, or rather his half-murdered nation did. How will you expel me, or eradicate unwanted types like myself? Remember, those who fail to plan, plan to fail. :-D Mitch, you are an ignorant troll and the values you represent are antithetical to the values that the United States was founded on; you are an agent of an alien totalitarian ideology; a brown shirt tool of the enemies of our republic. You are an enemy of the US constitution and the republic that was founded upon those ideals. Fascists like you are trying to subvert our Republic from within and destroy it from within. You, continuously insinuate that I am consorting with enemies of the republic (e.g. committing treasonous acts) and question my patriotism, because I dare to oppose the mad ideology you represent! As a patriot I consider it my sacred duty to oppose brown-shirt tools of an alien and hostile ideology seeking to subvert the country I hold dear from within; you oppose the foundational ideals of America; you adhere to an ideology that would subvert the US Constitution and the republic founded upon it, imposing a totalitarian one party rule. Mitch, it is you, not I, who is un-American. -Chris Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 3:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow. Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the Jihadists.Think of Charles Lindbergh and the German American Bund, circa 1941. And, there's the likelihood that most people will say, At least under Bushie43, we felt safe. Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how things come about, if they even do? To give this possibility a chance. It will never have a chance if communists, like yourself, dominate in politics, academia, and the media. Your side empowers the Jihadists and because they fit into your ideology as victims, ignore what they do and say, in real life. In fact, your team really wants the jihadists to eliminate your common enemy, America, the middle class, free thinkers, religious conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't tow the party line, basically the same assholes who turned a blind eye to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. When the Stalin-Hitler Pact of Steel was signed (1939-41), your side, worldwide, ceased its criticism of the Nazis, so as to align itself with Stalin. Woody Guthrie, for example, withdrew a song about Adolf that he had sung in 1938. This essentially is your side, your team, and the Jihadists are someone you sympathize with. Your side is killing off hope for any human future. This is sad for the whole world. You are simply another fanatic who knows what you feel, so thanks for the polarization. My side? Come on give it a rest troll. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 6:06 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its never that he and his droogies are anti-war, but they are anti-Us participation in any war you can think of. Beyond that, the Islamists are now trying for the death of 1000 cuts, little strikes, lone wolves, loaners, etc. Eventually they will be in a position to gain better weaponry and funding and planning. Do you think I am wrong? You are an enemy of the ideals and principles the country I love was founded on, Mitch. You are an enemy of the republic who would subvert it from within and turn it into a One Party totalitarian state where opposition to the Party becomes a crime against the state. That is the sick ideology you represent and adhere to; it is foreign and inimical to the principles of the Republic. You may wrap yourself in the American flag, in fact I am quite sure that you do, but you are an enemy of the underlying principles of the Republic that flag represents. You are a troll on a mission to help bring about a clash of civilizations eternal state of war… fuck you and your mission, I despise cowards like you who demand other people go off to kill and die. Face it buddy, you are an un-American Fascist troll. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/25/2015 5:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamists as victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't get you anywhere. WTF are you on about? Chris didn't say anything siding with the US's enemies or defending Islamic terrorists. You sound like one of Rush's ditto heads. Islamic terrorists are just that - terrorists. They have no more chance of conquering the U.S. or Western Europe than the North Vietnamese did. At a national level they are a public health problem like auto accidents and measles. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you
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the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now
slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am
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n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies
you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain
information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused
on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how things come about,
if they even do? To give this possibility a chance. It will never have a chance
if communists, like yourself, dominate in politics, academia, and the media.
Your side empowers the Jihadists and because they fit into your ideology as
victims, ignore what they do and say, in real life. In fact, your team really
wants the jihadists to eliminate your common enemy, America, the middle class,
free thinkers, religious conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't tow the
party line, basically the same assholes who turned a blind eye to Stalin, Mao,
and Pol Pot. When the Stalin-Hitler Pact of Steel was signed (1939-41), your
side, worldwide, ceased its criticism of the Nazis, so as to align itself with
Stalin. Woody Guthrie, for example, withdrew a song about Adolf that he had
sung in 1938./span/p
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essentially is your side, your team, and the Jihadists are someone you
sympathize with. Your side is killing off hope for any human future. This is
sad for the whole world. You are simply another fanatic who knows what you
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Well you make these declarative statements regarding what you feel is fit for this country, with your own list of who is naughty and nice, and yourself as chief judge of who is to be included, and who is to be cast out. This is so much like extreme Christian fundamentalists and your beloved, Islamists, that I wonder how drawn you might have been to tyranical ideologies. This, would explain a lot. It may come as a surprise to you but in a democratic system people have differences of opinion and do not always agree on policy. However when a yahoo like you begins to slander anyone who opposes their policy by accusing them of supporting the enemy – e.g. of committing treasonous acts – you have left the big tent of democratic debate and have instead chosen to support totalitarianism. Your support of the imposition of a totalitarian system – to crush dissent and a diversity of opinions -- makes you a self-declared enemy of the republic. It is by your actions and by your calumny of anyone who dares to disagree with your fanatical advocacy for an endless war that you define yourself as adhering to an extremist totalitarian political ideology. Crushing dissent is not the way of democracy; it is the preference of totalitarians the world over (and it does not matter much what philosophy they putatively espouse, it is by their actions and kind of argument that they can be recognized. You share more with ISIS and the world view of hatred that drives them than you do with the ideals of the Age of Enlightenment that are enshrined in the US constitution and recognized as being the founding principles upon which our republic is based. I have as little love of the Islamists as I have for you Mitch… you are cut from the same cloth. Both you and ISIS espouse totalitarian solutions. You are far more like them than you may realize. You hate them, but like ISIS, you seek to impose a totalitarian monolithic order in order to mount a clash of civilizations endless war. You are just like the psychopath ISIS thugs and criminals in this crucial sense. You are an enemy of our Republic because you choose to subvert the ideals upon which it is based. Instead I support our Constitution and the Republic it is the basis for. This is the basic difference between what you believe and what I believe. I fully expect you to continue with your calumny and call me all manner of things that I am not… for you to continue to try to insinuate that I some kind of traitor who supports terrorist groups (who you darkly suggest will be dealt with once your side sweeps to power) This continued and long standing behavior of yours Mitch, is why I view you as an enemy of our Republic and of the Constitution upon which it is based. I am here and I am not going anywhere, and I will not let you intimidate me into silence. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:21 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:56 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, not true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so that it will fall into the correct hands. You have zero criticism of Bamer's NSA, and you want us to sympathize with the Paris bombers. They are only doing it because of the evil Americans! Not really. What I am trying to subvert(?) is the unanswered propaganda spewed by yourself, with some occasional facts. You are adapting what you think is the language of conservatives and doing the old head-game romp. You remind me of the swinish, Michael Moore, who wrote a book some years ago, titled, Where's my Country, Dude! My instant reply to Moore, is that, Your country is 90 miles off Miami, known as communist Cuba. Your opinions are pretty much in synch, with Moore's, Chris. You make accusations, but I quote history. This is mere technique. How will you purge me, comrade? You never answered. Mitch, you sound increasingly like a single issue troll…. on a mission, to drag the US into an unending clash of civilizations global war, accusing anyone who opposes your call to war of treasonous activity. You define yourself as an enemy of America and do so, by your own actions and adherence to an alien anti-American fascist ideology that is inimical to the core values our Republic stands for. I don’t need to purge you Mitch
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. What makes the ball game is people sowing fear and reaping aggression on all sides by committing violent acts for political and economic gain, which is a threat. It's perhaps a fine line between recognizing this fact and falling prey to the PR ploy as recognizing the fact brings our own political lines, which furthers the ploy's objective, into play. Brent made a good point: compare violence to potency of other threats. I'd add cui bono, obligatory grain of salt, and maybe we don't need cartoons to replace our thinking or humor. PGC It would behoove us to at least recognize that the roots of the problems in the middle east run deeper than offense at a cartoon. It is a complex mess with deep historical roots going back to the Ottoman period and on through the period of French and British colonial rule. There are no easy solutions and the problem is not going away. In order to manage the situation, as it has become, we need to at the very least have a clear and comprehensive understanding of the issues and forces that are driving resurgent medievalism in the middle east (but not only there… there is a surge of the medievalist mind in the USA, and I imagine to some degree in Western Europe as well) -Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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No, not true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so that it will fall into the correct hands. You have zero criticism of Bamer's NSA, and you want us to sympathize with the Paris bombers. They are only doing it because of the evil Americans! Not really. What I am trying to subvert(?) is the unanswered propaganda spewed by yourself, with some occasional facts. You are adapting what you think is the language of conservatives and doing the old head-game romp. You remind me of the swinish, Michael Moore, who wrote a book some years ago, titled, Where's my Country, Dude! My instant reply to Moore, is that, Your country is 90 miles off Miami, known as communist Cuba. Your opinions are pretty much in synch, with Moore's, Chris. You make accusations, but I quote history. This is mere technique. How will you purge me, comrade? You never answered. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:13 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Hee Hee! Still doing the Alinsky two-step? To be blunt, nobody did felatio better on Adolf's winkie back then, as your buddy, Joe Stalin did. Not, old man Kennedy, not even Neville Chamberlain performed as well. And Stalin ended up paying for it, or rather his half-murdered nation did. How will you expel me, or eradicate unwanted types like myself? Remember, those who fail to plan, plan to fail. :-D Mitch, you are an ignorant troll and the values you represent are antithetical to the values that the United States was founded on; you are an agent of an alien totalitarian ideology; a brown shirt tool of the enemies of our republic. You are an enemy of the US constitution and the republic that was founded upon those ideals. Fascists like you are trying to subvert our Republic from within and destroy it from within. You, continuously insinuate that I am consorting with enemies of the republic (e.g. committing treasonous acts) and question my patriotism, because I dare to oppose the mad ideology you represent! As a patriot I consider it my sacred duty to oppose brown-shirt tools of an alien and hostile ideology seeking to subvert the country I hold dear from within; you oppose the foundational ideals of America; you adhere to an ideology that would subvert the US Constitution and the republic founded upon it, imposing a totalitarian one party rule. Mitch, it is you, not I, who is un-American. -Chris Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 3:58 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow. Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the Jihadists.Think of Charles Lindbergh and the German American Bund, circa 1941. And, there's the likelihood that most people will say, At least under Bushie43, we felt safe. Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has
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Well you make these declarative statements regarding what you feel is fit for
this country, with your own list of who is naughty and nice, and yourself as
chief judge of who is to be included, and who is to be cast out. This is so
much like extreme Christian fundamentalists and your beloved, Islamists, that I
wonder how drawn you might have been to tyranical ideologies. This, would
explain a lot.
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true. You basically want the US to fail, and collapse so that it will fall into
the correct hands. You have zero criticism of Bamer's NSA, and you want us to
sympathize with the Paris bombers. They are only doing it because of the evil
Americans! Not really. What I am trying to subvert(?) is the unanswered
propaganda spewed by yourself, with some occasional facts. You are adapting
what you think is the language of conservatives and doing the old head-game
romp. You remind me of the swinish, Michael Moore, who wrote a book some years
ago, titled, Where's my Country, Dude! My instant reply to Moore, is that,
Your country is 90 miles off Miami, known as communist Cuba. Your opinions
are pretty much in synch, with Moore's, Chris. You make accusations, but I
quote history. This is mere technique. How will you purge me, comrade? You
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you sound increasingly like a single issue troll…. on a mission, to drag the
US into an unending clash of civilizations global war, accusing anyone who
opposes your call to war of treasonous activity. You define yourself as an
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Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. What makes the ball game is people sowing fear and reaping aggression on all sides by committing violent acts for political and economic gain, which is a threat. It's perhaps a fine line between recognizing this fact and falling prey to the PR ploy as recognizing the fact brings our own political lines, which furthers the ploy's objective, into play. Brent made a good point: compare violence to potency of other threats. I'd add cui bono, obligatory grain of salt, and maybe we don't need cartoons to replace our thinking or humor. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:52 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. By all means disagree with me, but when you begin to suggest I am a traitor because I disagree with your insane desire for a global war you have crossed a line -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 07:22 PM Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? No, n-n-n-ooo! Bwah hah hah! Ranting, isn't reasoning, but it obviously satisfies you. My mission, as far as this mailing list goes, generally is to gain information on the possibilities of human transcendence. I am sort of focused on the attainment of the Singularity which depending on how things come about, if they even do? To give this possibility a chance. It will never have a chance if communists, like yourself, dominate in politics, academia, and the media. Your side empowers the Jihadists and because they fit into your ideology as victims, ignore what they do and say, in real life. In fact, your team really wants the jihadists to eliminate your common enemy, America, the middle class, free thinkers, religious conservatives, and anyone else who doesn't tow the party line, basically the same assholes who turned a blind eye to Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. When the Stalin-Hitler Pact of Steel was signed (1939-41), your side, worldwide, ceased its criticism of the Nazis, so as to align itself with Stalin. Woody Guthrie, for example, withdrew a song about Adolf that he had sung in 1938. This essentially is your side, your team, and the Jihadists are someone you sympathize with. Your side is killing off hope for any human future. This is sad for the whole world. You are simply another fanatic who knows what you feel, so thanks for the polarization. My side? Come on give it a rest troll. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 6:06 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 2:17 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Brent, the selectivity of his outrage typifies who he blames who whom he hates. Its never that he and his droogies are anti-war, but they are anti-Us participation in any war you can think of. Beyond that, the Islamists are now trying for the death of 1000 cuts, little strikes, lone wolves, loaners, etc. Eventually they will be in a position to gain better weaponry and funding and planning. Do you think I am wrong? You are an enemy of the ideals and principles the country I love was founded on, Mitch. You are an enemy of the republic who would subvert it from within and turn it into a One Party totalitarian state where opposition to the Party becomes a crime against the state. That is the sick ideology you represent and adhere to; it is foreign and inimical to the principles of the Republic. You may wrap yourself in the American flag, in fact I am quite sure that you do, but you are an enemy of the underlying principles of the Republic that flag represents. You are a troll on a mission to help bring about a clash of civilizations eternal state of war… fuck you and your mission, I despise cowards like you who demand other people go off to kill and die. Face it buddy, you are an un-American Fascist troll. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 5:04 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/25/2015 5:33 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Chris, forget Goebbels, think instead of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals (your team) and yes I know it well, My guess is you were trying for Alinsky's #4, which says' Ridicule is man's most potent weapon, there's no defense against it. But it didn't work upon me-so far, that is. So it must be #6, select your target, freeze it, and don't let up. Alinsky was great. On the nature of Islam, think of when Stalin and Hitler were buddies with their pact of steel (1939) and knowing that whatever bastards the democracies were then, nazis and commies were far more murderous. The Muslims are victims of their laws (sharia). They are not baddies because of us, anymore than the Central African Republic is in trouble because of French and Belgian colonialism in 1890. Think mass murder highlighted only in Conrad's Heart of Darkness. Maybe 8 million worked to death over 20 years. Its almost 100 years later, and I won't hate the Modern Belgians for it. Let Islam own its own failures-they are not children. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:03 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:26 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? You are justifying the hatred and aggressions by Islamists against the rest of us. This is a big mistake. One counter example of Islamist murders against Christian Filipinos, Buddhist Thais, Hindus in India and Kashmir, Islamist aggression in Ceylon, in Sudan, in Nigeria, etc. These nations have zero to do with western imperialists. Here, at least, there's no cause and effect. If Algerian murderers in Paris kill magazine editors and Jews, who are they avenging? Is it Muslim honor, the Algerians, Palestinians, Syrians, the US president's negotiation with Iran because they are Shia vs ISIS Sunnis??? You make excuses for them to justify their actions. In essence you support them and their actions, This is fine with me. Each to their own. A lying ugly response that is straight out of Goebel’s recipe in his Nazi cookbook of how to do propaganda. You make evil insinuations about my motives and attempt to equate any opposition to your mad desire for a clash of civilizations with support for the terrorists. That is both an evil and a dishonest thing to do… loser. Here is an appropriate Goebels quote that describes exactly what you are doing: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The big difference is that he was the Minister of propaganda of an ascendant Nazi regime, while you are merely some psychopath couch potato wannabe warrior pining to see some more shock and awe on light up television screen. A fucking evil clown is what you are Mitch -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 10:02 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. The point is not to paper over the aggression done to expand the faith and enable a caliphate. Not to empower these aggressors, these new colonials. What about remediations for all this, I have a couple of vague ideas on what may work, circulated here before. Baring this or some other ideas, I suppose we all must play the hand we're dealt. Perhaps if we stopped invading their lands… and bombing them into freedom… torturing them into adopting Western “democratic values” they might not hate us as much as they do. We are witnessing the bumper crop sowed by the neocon inspired operation Iraqi freedom… ISIS is the bastard child of the last generational war. More bombs… and certainly a clash of civilizations end game is not a solution; it is just a horribly expensive recipe for continuous war. A cui bono? Not me, and that’s for fucking sure! Excuse me, if I piss all over your sick puppy, pathological desire for eternal war! (you who has never ever seen what war is up close and personal
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:12 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow. Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the Jihadists.Think of Charles Lindbergh and the German American Bund, circa 1941. And, there's the likelihood that most people will say, At least under Bushie43, we felt safe. Go to hell brown shirt, your kind has no place in America. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. I was a kid and did not ask to witness that war either, but life had other plans for me, and I lived through a piece of history. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. Okay, but you sound that way when you go all reflexive and attribute all the violence in the Middle east and that spills over here to “them” having been offended by some cartoon, when the problems and issues run much deeper than that. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. I get along just fine with most people… it is mainly just you and Mitch (aka spudboy) who is in a category all by himself. I think you are over generalizing things a little. But yeah I never aspired to be a “diplomat”… after all I grew up witnessing the reality of how the game is played. My father was the kind of diplomat by the way, who was debriefed, at the end of his career, for six months in Langley Virginia (there is US agency that is headquartered there). We were put up in an old Virginia farm house that had been owned by the first president George Washington. That should give you a clue who he worked for and what he did and how much dirt he knew. He ended his career in Honduras in the 1980s, during the time Ambassador Negroponte was there, for anyone who is aware of the actual history being written there during that period that should tell you everything you need to know. You may not like me, Well..., it doesn't exactly cement the bonds of friendship to express the wish that I get Alzheimer's disease and that only then after your brain has fully and completely rotted into a plaque ridden mush does nature finally do the kindness of killing you off. It just doesn't seem very friendly to say that an amusing thought would be me growing into a vegetative Alzheimer riddled sponge and that the thought still cracks me up with laughter It does not help when you call me dumber than dog shit either John… please don’t make it out as if this has been a one sided stream of abuse. You have dished your fair share out at me whenever we disagree. Look I apologize about that remark to you – it was pointedly mean and carefully aimed at you, I do not actually wish that for you and even though I find you incredibly abrasive I can also see that you are an intelligent person. If you can accept my apology and move on from that. Perhaps you could also apologize for all the insulting words you hurled at me and were hurling at me before, during and after I said those mean things about you? -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. I was a kid and did not ask to witness that war either, but life had other plans for me, and I lived through a piece of history. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. Okay, but you sound that way when you go all reflexive and attribute all the violence in the Middle east and that spills over here to “them” having been offended by some cartoon, when the problems and issues run much deeper than that. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. I get along just fine with most people… it is mainly just you and Mitch (aka spudboy) who is in a category all by himself. I think you are over generalizing things a little. But yeah I never aspired to be a “diplomat”… after all I grew up witnessing the reality of how the game is played. My father was the kind of diplomat by the way, who was debriefed, at the end of his career, for six months in Langley Virginia (there is US agency that is headquartered there). We were put up in an old Virginia farm house that had been owned by the first president George Washington. That should give you a clue who he worked for and what he did and how much dirt he knew. He ended his career in Honduras in the 1980s, during the time Ambassador Negroponte was there, for anyone who is aware of the actual history being written there during that period that should tell you everything you need to know. You may not like me, Well..., it doesn't exactly cement the bonds of friendship to express the wish that I get Alzheimer's disease and that only then after your brain has fully and completely rotted into a plaque ridden mush does nature finally do the kindness of killing you off. It just doesn't seem very friendly to say that an amusing thought would be me growing into a vegetative Alzheimer riddled sponge and that the thought still cracks me up with laughter It does not help when you call me dumber than dog shit either John… please don’t make it out as if this has been a one sided stream of abuse. You have dished your fair share out at me whenever we disagree. Look I apologize about that remark to you – it was pointedly mean and carefully aimed at you, I do not actually wish that for you and even though I find you incredibly abrasive I can also see that you are an intelligent person. If you can accept my apology and move on from that. Perhaps you could also apologize for all the insulting words you hurled at me and were hurling at me before, during and after I said those mean things about you? -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Not that it matters but Fox News is a solid US Chamber of Commerce network than a tea party network. Both political parties are owned by huge economic groups. The dems are owned by warren buffet, soros, tom steyer, the blackstone group, gates, etc. The reps are owned, by the US chamber of commerce. Know that these billionaires economic interests do not benefit the middle class. But, please note, there is no civil disturbance because of this-so it must be hopeless. -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 1:55 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. You may not like me, Well..., it doesn't exactly cement the bonds of friendship to express the wish that I get Alzheimer's disease and that only then after your brain has fully and completely rotted into a plaque ridden mush does nature finally do the kindness of killing you off. It just doesn't seem very friendly to say that an amusing thought would be me growing into a vegetative Alzheimer riddled sponge and that the thought still cracks me up with laughter John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
I kind of like the fascist clown for some reason, which is maybe because it reminds me of DC comics, the Joker? If I am a fascist, should I let the Jihadists kill us? Is this what gets me out of your typication? If so, its not worth it, and I'd say this for nearly, everyone. Being nice to Islamists is a sure way of getting people killed, and most of the Uma are Islamic Triumphalists, aka, Islamists. There is not a whole lot of people on their team that someone who likes freedom can sympathize with. Neonazis are far less dangerous to me, and the US, then progressives holding power of office, in academia, the so called news. White power belongs where it does its best, on Jerry Springer. Although there was an article a week ago about a neonazi who became a hacker and banged some feminist freak. Her takeaway was that according to the nazi, she leaned how to hack accounts of male antifeminists. Your team is passing domestic policy and foreign affairs, so I am more troubled by your side, then Herr Goosestepper. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:14 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] That is an unusual upbringing alright. How did you wind up in Nam, were you there as a Young Communist volunteer, or was it daddy was a military consultant, and took us there? It sounds atypical and therefore, peculiar. Your siding with the US's physical enemies carries its own baggage, as is your defending of the Islamists as victims, and the west as aggressors. Excuse making won't get you anywhere. My guess is that it is likely that when the Islamists strike again in the US, there will be a large scale public reaction. Remember 9-11? Think of the quietude of most progressives back then...silence. This time I see a day of rage, directed against the enablers and sympathizers of the Islamists. But that day may never happen, in the sense that only lone wolf attacks are doable. But if the worse happens, the supporters of Jihad, even though they are atheist - socialists will be focused on. Don't change your mind, but be aware, at least. My siding with who? … you are a lying sack of insinuating shit… a brown shirt fascist Tea Party freak… you and your filthy Nazi ideology have no place in America; you are antithetical to everything this country stands for evil fascist clown. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 11:36 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Have you ever lived through shock and awe.. in real life, not the remote digitally delivered sound and light show you see on CNN, but the real live terrifying horrendous fucking thing? No. Have you? Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager when my eyes were opened up wide to the true meaning and reality of war. I experienced the hatred up close and personal; I was there right up (13 days) to the end and witnessed the implosion of a regime. I have seen people executed in front of me and had M16s hot from just being fired pointed at me and seen my life flash by. I have seen napalm burned wrecks of human beings living on sidewalks as refugees, with nowhere to piss and no hope to live for… dead empty eyes of war depression…. I have seen lepers their cheeks eaten away by the disease… heard the bombs and saw the green flares parachute down followed by the flashes and booms…. Night after night, after night…. Seen convoys of coffins… two per truck, returning the dead. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon at that time, as the entire system imploded in those end of regime days. I have been personally the object of the hatred and had my head really bloodied in a big circle of hissing pure venomous hatred directed at me – the American teenager stand in for all the wrongs done to them. I learned how to be a warrior on that very day, how to commit myself to an existential immediacy of life and death struggle, surrounded by a blood thirsty hissing mob. I am alive, because I learned how to be a warrior when I was just 15 and I
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Like the Beatles once intoned, Carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you're not going to make it with anyone, anyhow. Your carrying ideological water for the jihad brothers may make the state department smile, but if, and when, the shit hits the fan, people will remember who defended the Jihadists.Think of Charles Lindbergh and the German American Bund, circa 1941. And, there's the likelihood that most people will say, At least under Bushie43, we felt safe. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 25, 2015 2:35 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:55 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager I had oppose the Vietnam War and thought it idiotic since about 1965, through pure luck I managed to avoid the draft and I would have never dreamed of volunteering. For years because of the war I said that Lyndon Johnson was the worst president in my lifetime, but now I think George W Bush has beaten him out. I also opposed the Iraq war. I was a kid and did not ask to witness that war either, but life had other plans for me, and I lived through a piece of history. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. I hate Fox news and always have, their imbecilic Tea Party buddies too. I'm more of a MSNBC - New York Times sort of guy. Okay, but you sound that way when you go all reflexive and attribute all the violence in the Middle east and that spills over here to “them” having been offended by some cartoon, when the problems and issues run much deeper than that. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon Your father was a diplomat?! Wow, I never would have guessed that, obviously you didn't inherit the diplomatic gene; it's not just me, you can't seem to get along with anybody around here. I get along just fine with most people… it is mainly just you and Mitch (aka spudboy) who is in a category all by himself. I think you are over generalizing things a little. But yeah I never aspired to be a “diplomat”… after all I grew up witnessing the reality of how the game is played. My father was the kind of diplomat by the way, who was debriefed, at the end of his career, for six months in Langley Virginia (there is US agency that is headquartered there). We were put up in an old Virginia farm house that had been owned by the first president George Washington. That should give you a clue who he worked for and what he did and how much dirt he knew. He ended his career in Honduras in the 1980s, during the time Ambassador Negroponte was there, for anyone who is aware of the actual history being written there during that period that should tell you everything you need to know. You may not like me, Well..., it doesn't exactly cement the bonds of friendship to express the wish that I get Alzheimer's disease and that only then after your brain has fully and completely rotted into a plaque ridden mush does nature finally do the kindness of killing you off. It just doesn't seem very friendly to say that an amusing thought would be me growing into a vegetative Alzheimer riddled sponge and that the thought still cracks me up with laughter It does not help when you call me dumber than dog shit either John… please don’t make it out as if this has been a one sided stream of abuse. You have dished your fair share out at me whenever we disagree. Look I apologize about that remark to you – it was pointedly mean and carefully aimed at you, I do not actually wish that for you and even though I find you incredibly abrasive I can also see that you are an intelligent person. If you can accept my apology and move on from that. Perhaps you could also apologize for all the insulting words you hurled at me and were hurling at me before, during and after I said those mean things about you? -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:08 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Platonist Guitar Cowboy *Sent:* Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. What makes the ball game is people sowing fear and reaping aggression on all sides by committing violent acts for political and economic gain, which is a threat. It's perhaps a fine line between recognizing this fact and falling prey to the PR ploy as recognizing the fact brings our own political lines, which furthers the ploy's objective, into play. Brent made a good point: compare violence to potency of other threats. I'd add cui bono, obligatory grain of salt, and maybe we don't need cartoons to replace our thinking or humor. PGC It would behoove us to at least recognize that the roots of the problems in the middle east run deeper than offense at a cartoon. I used cartoon in less than literal sense. It is a complex mess with deep historical roots going back to the Ottoman period and on through the period of French and British colonial rule. There are no easy solutions and the problem is not going away. What? You don't think if I post my position a few more dozen times, that the problem will not disappear from the global stage? Dear Internet of grand opinionage, I am disappointed in you! Sincerely, PGC In order to manage the situation, as it has become, we need to at the very least have a clear and comprehensive understanding of the issues and forces that are driving resurgent medievalism in the middle east (but not only there… there is a surge of the medievalist mind in the USA, and I imagine to some degree in Western Europe as well) Freedom includes by definition the right for everybody else to see/express things their way. Therefore it is not a simple, clear matter to fight for freedom of speech, as any form of battle/competition/conflict includes assumption of restricting/denying/limiting the freedom of the opponent, which leads to contradiction. Hence the laws against defamation. True to form of factual concreteness fetishes, we believe that power will take care of a power problem. Power marks difference/imbalance relative to some value(s), and using some form of it to eliminate lesser form is dubious but plausible; if done minimizing harm at maximum of levels. The truth that western liberal believes 'will establish itself over time' is problematic in one key sense: *when* *exactly *does the truth of freedom arrive (kinda sounds like waiting for messiah figure) and should we do something about the roads collapsing here, economic/political/theological differences, the people being hurt over there, or the laws and prohibition trampling freedom for security indefinitely; if so what? And why do we need all these lawyers if everything is clear? ;-) PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:35 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:08 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:30 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:51 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Just stop defending the indefensible islamists and refrain from making excuses for them. They are all adults and can speak for themselves. They believe what the believe, and it is neither my fault, nor even yours. The world is now slowly waking up to what is occuring, even to this day, the Japanese. I am sorry that disagreeing with your holy self is considered trolling. But thats what makes ball games. Deal with it. What makes the ball game is people sowing fear and reaping aggression on all sides by committing violent acts for political and economic gain, which is a threat. It's perhaps a fine line between recognizing this fact and falling prey to the PR ploy as recognizing the fact brings our own political lines, which furthers the ploy's objective, into play. Brent made a good point: compare violence to potency of other threats. I'd add cui bono, obligatory grain of salt, and maybe we don't need cartoons to replace our thinking or humor. PGC It would behoove us to at least recognize that the roots of the problems in the middle east run deeper than offense at a cartoon. I used cartoon in less than literal sense. And I did as well, the cartoon is emblematic of a larger tendency to prejudice and also of a kind of mode of discourse that reduces complex reality to facile caricature – IMO. It is a complex mess with deep historical roots going back to the Ottoman period and on through the period of French and British colonial rule. There are no easy solutions and the problem is not going away. What? You don't think if I post my position a few more dozen times, that the problem will not disappear from the global stage? Dear Internet of grand opinionage, I am disappointed in you! I wish you luck on your world changing quest…. There is some possibility that a few dozen or more posts on your part could trigger some world history altering re-framing within billions of minds; good luck on that. Sincerely, PGC In order to manage the situation, as it has become, we need to at the very least have a clear and comprehensive understanding of the issues and forces that are driving resurgent medievalism in the middle east (but not only there… there is a surge of the medievalist mind in the USA, and I imagine to some degree in Western Europe as well) Freedom includes by definition the right for everybody else to see/express things their way. yes Therefore it is not a simple, clear matter to fight for freedom of speech, as any form of battle/competition/conflict includes assumption of restricting/denying/limiting the freedom of the opponent, which leads to contradiction. Usually people holding different views will let each other voice those views without threat or sanction. However when one point of view begins to frame those who hold other dissenting points of view as being enemies of the state (or the faith, and often both) that is the watershed where democracy slides down into totalitarianism. Hence the laws against defamation. True to form of factual concreteness fetishes, we believe that power will take care of a power problem. Power marks difference/imbalance relative to some value(s), and using some form of it to eliminate lesser form is dubious but plausible; if done minimizing harm at maximum of levels. In the US, unlike in Europe (and Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and much of the rest of the world, it is very hard to win a defamation civil suit let alone win an actual legal case. Perhaps we have gone overboard in this way, hard to say. The truth that western liberal believes 'will establish itself over time' is problematic in one key sense: when exactly does the truth of freedom arrive (kinda sounds like waiting for messiah figure) and should we do something about the roads collapsing here, economic/political/theological differences, the people being hurt over there, or the laws and prohibition trampling freedom for security indefinitely; if so what? And why do we need all these lawyers if everything is clear? ;-) PGC There is no single “truth”, each person must discover their own way and each person’s way
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:58 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, John, Chris P. is invoking imaginary Muslims who do not really exist in fact, but he desperately, wants to believe they do exist in real life. Chris P. is like many people, including world leaders like BHO who ideologically(?) will never concede that the majority of the Uma*, are fanatics, or silent in the face of fanaticism. Why are these folks this way? My best guess, is that they see that: a) the radical islamists are winning. And they'd better not speak up just in case. b) the ruling classes in the west, are weak-minded, or hungry for Islamic oil monies. So thus are cowards. c) Allah, might be on the side of the jihadists, so they, the uma, had better say nothing. I think western progressive liberals fail to speak out against a evil force that threatens their very core values for none of the above reasons, I think they do it because they've been sold a bill of goods, the idea that a criticism of any religion means that you are a racist (even though no religion is a race) and thus a terrible human being. I don't know exactly how they did it but somehow the world's religious franchises, and especially Islam, managed to pull off the most successful advertising campaign in history, corporations can only dream of having PR that good! Imagine how great it would be for the company if people felt that anybody who criticizes McDonalds must, by the very definition, be a racist. John you are mistaken in framing it in terms of good versus evil, when what is driving behavior is, if anything ignorance. Ignorance and the types of social cultural results that ignorance promotes is the real underlying issue. It has been -- quite correctly IMO -- said that ignorance is the tap root of evil; evil is ignorance manifest. -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. The point is not to paper over the aggression done to expand the faith and enable a caliphate. Not to empower these aggressors, these new colonials. What about remediations for all this, I have a couple of vague ideas on what may work, circulated here before. Baring this or some other ideas, I suppose we all must play the hand we're dealt. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 3:37 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:58 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, John, Chris P. is invoking imaginary Muslims who do not really exist in fact, but he desperately, wants to believe they do exist in real life. Chris P. is like many people, including world leaders like BHO who ideologically(?) will never concede that the majority of the Uma*, are fanatics, or silent in the face of fanaticism. Why are these folks this way? My best guess, is that they see that: a) the radical islamists are winning. And they'd better not speak up just in case. b) the ruling classes in the west, are weak-minded, or hungry for Islamic oil monies. So thus are cowards. c) Allah, might be on the side of the jihadists, so they, the uma, had better say nothing. I think western progressive liberals fail to speak out against a evil force that threatens their very core values for none of the above reasons, I think they do it because they've been sold a bill of goods, the idea that a criticism of any religion means that you are a racist (even though no religion is a race) and thus a terrible human being. I don't know exactly how they did it but somehow the world's religious franchises, and especially Islam, managed to pull off the most successful advertising campaign in history, corporations can only dream of having PR that good! Imagine how great it would be for the company if people felt that anybody who criticizes McDonalds must, by the very definition, be a racist. John you are mistaken in framing it in terms of good versus evil, when what is driving behavior is, if anything ignorance. Ignorance and the types of social cultural results that ignorance promotes is the real underlying issue. It has been -- quite correctly IMO -- said that ignorance is the tap root of evil; evil is ignorance manifest. -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 7:43 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Have you ever lived through shock and awe.. in real life, not the remote digitally delivered sound and light show you see on CNN, but the real live terrifying horrendous fucking thing? No. Have you? Yes, in fact, I very much have! I grew up witnessing it! Saigon 1975. I left 13 days before Saigon fell on the last non-military jet to leave. I was a teenager when my eyes were opened up wide to the true meaning and reality of war. I experienced the hatred up close and personal; I was there right up (13 days) to the end and witnessed the implosion of a regime. I have seen people executed in front of me and had M16s hot from just being fired pointed at me and seen my life flash by. I have seen napalm burned wrecks of human beings living on sidewalks as refugees, with nowhere to piss and no hope to live for… dead empty eyes of war depression…. I have seen lepers their cheeks eaten away by the disease… heard the bombs and saw the green flares parachute down followed by the flashes and booms…. Night after night, after night…. Seen convoys of coffins… two per truck, returning the dead. I heard what was said at my father’s all night curfew parties, by the “diplomats” who were operating in Saigon at that time, as the entire system imploded in those end of regime days. I have been personally the object of the hatred and had my head really bloodied in a big circle of hissing pure venomous hatred directed at me – the American teenager stand in for all the wrongs done to them. I learned how to be a warrior on that very day, how to commit myself to an existential immediacy of life and death struggle, surrounded by a blood thirsty hissing mob. I am alive, because I learned how to be a warrior when I was just 15 and I fought my way out going for the mobs leader – I knew I was going to kill him if I was going to die…. And my calm directed deadly intent blew an opening in the circle of hatred around me. My early life I spent in countries under-going regime change or where dark history was being made – e.g. in locales that fit the ancient Chinese curse of may you live in interesting times. I saw starving children with Kwashiorkor in Liberia when I was a five year old kid. Our world, in truth, when all the BS is stripped away, is a world of haves and have nothings, divided between warring spheres of influence, each ruled by largely occult and rarely mentioned elites who operate behind the superficial forms and ceremony that is kept front and center in order to distract and obfuscate. I grew up in the front line places where this great game was being executed on and it took me more than a decade to understand and work through all of the repercussions of the soul, that living through the kinds of intense experiences I did live through (my father seemed to always end up right in the middle of world’s dirty wars… and coup d'état working it from the “diplomatic” side of things). I have been to Afghanistan and to Libya… I swam amongst the Roman temple columns that rise up out of the Mediterranean sea in the ruins of Leptis Magna and galloped on the best stallions on Earth (the Afghan stallions before the Russians invaded). Unlike the many internet couch potato generals demanding that others go to war to die for them I have personally walked into the lion’s den of Arab nationalism and confronted it personally in the flesh, announcing myself as an American and challenging people there to confront me as a human being, days after those same students had burned the American embassy in Tripoli…. I have walked away from armed checkpoints (in Libya) with every square inch of my back bristling with an itching desire to break out into a run, but instead walking away with a deliberate calm… not too fast, but not too slow either, engaging in “casual” conversation with my father to help keep a lid on the panic. I have seen the hatred and looked right into it, eyeball to eyeball, unlike you Mr. Clark! I have been there and I have lived through the reality of war and of imperial power politics, as it actually is executed on the ground, and unlike the many flabby loud mouthed neocon chickenhawk cowards demanding war who are clueless about the actual realities of war, my soul was seared open at a very tender age. You may not like me, but, unlike you, I have born personal and painful witness to the harsh reality of empire and of the means by which empire is maintained. Shut up No. Your choice, but consider this…. making loud noises, does not, in itself, lead you to wisdom. -Chris John K
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, That is not unusual, most people in liberal western culture are far more uncomfortable with the word evil than they are with the word fuck, but I think its appropriate to use both words in certain circumstances. since what it means to everyone is too vague. There is no consensus on the meaning but to each individual the meaning of evil is about as un-vague as words get. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Don't forget ignorant and stupid! Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. Western colonialists may have been as evil as Islamic Jihadis, well... almost, but they were not as ignorant and they were not as stupid. Also Western colonialists had the good manners not to exist during my lifetime. For these reason they haven't earned as much of my contempt as the Islamic Jihadis have, but there is no disputing matters of taste so your mileage may vary. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, since what it means to everyone is too vague. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. The point is not to paper over the aggression done to expand the faith and enable a caliphate. Not to empower these aggressors, these new colonials. What about remediations for all this, I have a couple of vague ideas on what may work, circulated here before. Baring this or some other ideas, I suppose we all must play the hand we're dealt. Perhaps if we stopped invading their lands… and bombing them into freedom… torturing them into adopting Western “democratic values” they might not hate us as much as they do. We are witnessing the bumper crop sowed by the neocon inspired operation Iraqi freedom… ISIS is the bastard child of the last generational war. More bombs… and certainly a clash of civilizations end game is not a solution; it is just a horribly expensive recipe for continuous war. A cui bono? Not me, and that’s for fucking sure! Excuse me, if I piss all over your sick puppy, pathological desire for eternal war! (you who has never ever seen what war is up close and personal… you demand other people go do the killing and the dying for you, why are you still sitting on the couch? Sally forth and ride off to fight you own damn crusade… coward! You neocon bastards… have already murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, you have already prescribed the solution of bombing people to freedom, how many more people must die in your neocon nightmare before the world wakes up and shake you all off… in the same manner as when someone realizes they have body lice. What would really help this earth is for some effective neocon delousing powder… it needs to be liberally applied all across the Anglo-American world (and in Israel and much of the EU) You had your time, hundreds of thousands of people died as a result… and you left the world with the parting gift of psychotic blowback in the form of ISIS. You’re neocon centered world view is bankrupt and devoid of substantive actual understanding arising from reality based perception. Go do your own killing and dying, leave the rest of us out of it… this world of ours does not need yet another chickenhawk couch potato psycho-general. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 3:37 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 10:58 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, John, Chris P. is invoking imaginary Muslims who do not really exist in fact, but he desperately, wants to believe they do exist in real life. Chris P. is like many people, including world leaders like BHO who ideologically(?) will never concede that the majority of the Uma*, are fanatics, or silent in the face of fanaticism. Why are these folks this way? My best guess, is that they see that: a) the radical islamists are winning. And they'd better not speak up just in case. b) the ruling classes in the west, are weak-minded, or hungry for Islamic oil monies. So thus are cowards. c) Allah, might be on the side of the jihadists, so they, the uma, had better say nothing. I think western progressive liberals fail to speak out against a evil force that threatens their very core values for none of the above reasons, I think they do it because they've been sold a bill of goods, the idea that a criticism of any religion means that you are a racist (even though no religion is a race) and thus a terrible human being. I don't know exactly how they did it but somehow the world's religious franchises, and especially Islam, managed to pull off the most successful advertising campaign in history, corporations can only dream of having PR that good! Imagine how great it would be for the company if people felt that anybody who criticizes McDonalds must, by the very definition, be a racist. John you are mistaken in framing it in terms of good versus evil, when what is driving behavior is, if anything ignorance. Ignorance and the types of social cultural results that ignorance promotes is the real underlying issue. It has been -- quite correctly IMO -- said that ignorance is the tap root of evil; evil is ignorance manifest. -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Perhaps if we stopped invading their lands… and bombing them into freedom… torturing them into adopting Western “democratic values” they might not hate us as much as they do. Perhaps if they stopped crashing civilian airliners into civilian skyscrapers, and stopped beheading cartoonists because they don't like their drawings, and had't religiously obeyed the orders of Osama bin Laden for decades we might not hate them as much as we do. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 5:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: I am uncomfortable with the plaster of evil myself, That is not unusual, most people in liberal western culture are far more uncomfortable with the word evil than they are with the word fuck, but I think its appropriate to use both words in certain circumstances. since what it means to everyone is too vague. There is no consensus on the meaning but to each individual the meaning of evil is about as un-vague as words get. I would define the Jihadis as aggressive, malign, expansionism. Don't forget ignorant and stupid! Did western nations do this until recently? Hell, yes. Western colonialists may have been as evil as Islamic Jihadis, well... almost, but they were not as ignorant and they were not as stupid. Also Western colonialists had the good manners not to exist during my lifetime. For these reason they haven't earned as much of my contempt as the Islamic Jihadis have, but there is no disputing matters of taste so your mileage may vary. Opinions vary Mr. Clark… I doubt the bombed out survivors in Gaza, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Syria.. would agree with your sanctimonious hypocritical and pompous attitude. Have you ever lived through shock and awe.. in real life, not the remote digitally delivered sound and light show you see on CNN, but the real live terrifying horrendous fucking thing? Shut up if you have not, you have no idea what war does to people. Hypocrisy abounds in those who have never had to experience the end results of the policies they impose. -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Have you ever lived through shock and awe.. in real life, not the remote digitally delivered sound and light show you see on CNN, but the real live terrifying horrendous fucking thing? No. Have you? Shut up No. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 8:01 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Perhaps if we stopped invading their lands… and bombing them into freedom… torturing them into adopting Western “democratic values” they might not hate us as much as they do. Perhaps if they stopped crashing civilian airliners into civilian skyscrapers, and stopped beheading cartoonists because they don't like their drawings, and had't religiously obeyed the orders of Osama bin Laden for decades we might not hate them as much as we do. Perhaps if you stopped reading talking points from a Faux News script you might begin to make a little sense. -Chris John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Yes, John, Chris P. is invoking imaginary Muslims who do not really exist in fact, but he desperately, wants to believe they do exist in real life. Chris P. is like many people, including world leaders like BHO who ideologically(?) will never concede that the majority of the Uma*, are fanatics, or silent in the face of fanaticism. Why are these folks this way? My best guess, is that they see that: a) the radical islamists are winning. And they'd better not speak up just in case. b) the ruling classes in the west, are weak-minded, or hungry for Islamic oil monies. So thus are cowards. c) Allah, might be on the side of the jihadists, so they, the uma, had better say nothing. So, there's no incentive for the rank and file Muslim to speak out. For them, they might ask, So where is the upside for opposing the jihad? *uma = Muslim Community. -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Jan 22, 2015 3:44 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:12 PM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: We know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of muslims do not turn psychotic in the face of cartoons. And we know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of people who turn psychotic in the face of cartoons are Muslims. And thanks to a recent opinion poll we also know that 64% of the Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan think the death penalty should be invoked for anyone who leaves Islam, and in Afghanistan 78% of the Muslims think so. And in Iraq and Afghanistan 60% of the Muslims think the killing of female family members by men should be legal if the women sully the family honor. So I think calling such a religion psychotic is a perfectly fair thing to do. Secondly, we know that learning the Koran acts as a defense against violence. Being taught the koran at madrassa is negatively correlated with becoming radicalized. I believe you just pulled that fact out of your ass. And have you ever actually looked at the Koran? I doubt if you have and you really should before insisting it is all nice and benign. Sam Harris in his book The End Of Faith provides some interesting quotes: Open the Koran, which is perfect in its every syllable, and simply read it with the eyes of faith. You will see how little compassion need be wasted on those whom God himself is in the process of “mocking,” “cursing,” “shaming,” “punishing,” “scourging,” “judging,” “burning,” “annihilating,” “not forgiving,” and “not reprieving.” God, who is infinitely wise, has cursed the infidels with their doubts. He prolongs their life and prosperity so that they may continue heaping sin upon sin and all the more richly deserve the torments that await them beyond the grave. In this light, the people who died on September 11 were nothing more than fuel for the eternal fires of God’s justice. To convey the relentlessness with which unbelievers are vilified in the text of the Koran, I provide a long compilation of quotations below, in order of their appearance in the text. This is what the Creator of the universe apparently has on his mind (when he is not fussing with gravitational constants and atomic weights): “It is the same whether or not you forewarn them [the unbelievers], they will have no faith” (2:6). “God will mock them and keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along” (2:15). A fire “whose fuel is men and stones” awaits them (2:24). They will be “rewarded with disgrace in this world and with grievous punishment on the Day of Resurrection” (2:85). “God’s curse be upon the infidels!” (2:89). “They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits [them]” (2:90). “God is the enemy of the unbelievers” (2:98). “The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], and the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you from your Lord” (2:105). “They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter” (2:114). “Those to whom We [God] have given the Book, and who read it as it ought to be read, truly believe in it; those that deny it shall assuredly be lost” (2:122). “[We] shall let them live awhile, and then shall drag them to the scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate” (2:126). “The East and the West are God’s. He guides whom He will to a straight path” (2:142). “Do not say that those slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, but you are not aware of them” (2:154). “But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved” (2:162). “They shall sigh with remorse, but shall never come out of the Fire” (2:168). “The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Yes, John, Chris P. is invoking imaginary Muslims who do not really exist in fact, but he desperately, wants to believe they do exist in real life. Chris P. is like many people, including world leaders like BHO who ideologically(?) will never concede that the majority of the Uma*, are fanatics, or silent in the face of fanaticism. Why are these folks this way? My best guess, is that they see that: a) the radical islamists are winning. And they'd better not speak up just in case. b) the ruling classes in the west, are weak-minded, or hungry for Islamic oil monies. So thus are cowards. c) Allah, might be on the side of the jihadists, so they, the uma, had better say nothing. I think western progressive liberals fail to speak out against a evil force that threatens their very core values for none of the above reasons, I think they do it because they've been sold a bill of goods, the idea that a criticism of any religion means that you are a racist (even though no religion is a race) and thus a terrible human being. I don't know exactly how they did it but somehow the world's religious franchises, and especially Islam, managed to pull off the most successful advertising campaign in history, corporations can only dream of having PR that good! Imagine how great it would be for the company if people felt that anybody who criticizes McDonalds must, by the very definition, be a racist. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:12 PM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: We know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of muslims do not turn psychotic in the face of cartoons. And we know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of people who turn psychotic in the face of cartoons are Muslims. And thanks to a recent opinion poll we also know that 64% of the Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan think the death penalty should be invoked for anyone who leaves Islam, and in Afghanistan 78% of the Muslims think so. And in Iraq and Afghanistan 60% of the Muslims think the killing of female family members by men should be legal if the women sully the family honor. So I think calling such a religion psychotic is a perfectly fair thing to do. Secondly, we know that learning the Koran acts as a defense against violence. Being taught the koran at madrassa is negatively correlated with becoming radicalized. I believe you just pulled that fact out of your ass. And have you ever actually looked at the Koran? I doubt if you have and you really should before insisting it is all nice and benign. Sam Harris in his book The End Of Faith provides some interesting quotes: Open the Koran, which is perfect in its every syllable, and simply read it with the eyes of faith. You will see how little compassion need be wasted on those whom God himself is in the process of “mocking,” “cursing,” “shaming,” “punishing,” “scourging,” “judging,” “burning,” “annihilating,” “not forgiving,” and “not reprieving.” God, who is infinitely wise, has cursed the infidels with their doubts. He prolongs their life and prosperity so that they may continue heaping sin upon sin and all the more richly deserve the torments that await them beyond the grave. In this light, the people who died on September 11 were nothing more than fuel for the eternal fires of God’s justice. To convey the relentlessness with which unbelievers are vilified in the text of the Koran, I provide a long compilation of quotations below, in order of their appearance in the text. This is what the Creator of the universe apparently has on his mind (when he is not fussing with gravitational constants and atomic weights): “It is the same whether or not you forewarn them [the unbelievers], they will have no faith” (2:6). “God will mock them and keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along” (2:15). A fire “whose fuel is men and stones” awaits them (2:24). They will be “rewarded with disgrace in this world and with grievous punishment on the Day of Resurrection” (2:85). “God’s curse be upon the infidels!” (2:89). “They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits [them]” (2:90). “God is the enemy of the unbelievers” (2:98). “The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], and the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you from your Lord” (2:105). “They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter” (2:114). “Those to whom We [God] have given the Book, and who read it as it ought to be read, truly believe in it; those that deny it shall assuredly be lost” (2:122). “[We] shall let them live awhile, and then shall drag them to the scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate” (2:126). “The East and the West are God’s. He guides whom He will to a straight path” (2:142). “Do not say that those slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, but you are not aware of them” (2:154). “But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved” (2:162). “They shall sigh with remorse, but shall never come out of the Fire” (2:168). “The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing” (2:172). “Theirs shall be a woeful punishment” (2:175). “How steadfastly they seek the Fire! That is because God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism” (2:176). “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage It is a good idea to always check the original arabic for mistakes in translation, as well as compare several translations when the meaning seems morally or scientifically wrong. In 2:191:8 it speaks of oppression not idolatry. Please see: http://islamawakened.com/quran/2/191/ http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2verse=191#(2:191:1) Samiya . . . . f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme. But if they desist,
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:12 PM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: We know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of muslims do not turn psychotic in the face of cartoons. And we know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of people who turn psychotic in the face of cartoons are Muslims. And thanks to a recent opinion poll we also know that 64% of the Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan think the death penalty should be invoked for anyone who leaves Islam, and in Afghanistan 78% of the Muslims think so. And in Iraq and Afghanistan 60% of the Muslims think the killing of female family members by men should be legal if the women sully the family honor. So I think calling such a religion psychotic is a perfectly fair thing to do. Secondly, we know that learning the Koran acts as a defense against violence. Being taught the koran at madrassa is negatively correlated with becoming radicalized. I believe you just pulled that fact out of your ass. And have you ever actually looked at the Koran? I doubt if you have and you really should before insisting it is all nice and benign. Sam Harris in his book The End Of Faith provides some interesting quotes: Open the Koran, which is perfect in its every syllable, and simply read it with the eyes of faith. You will see how little compassion need be wasted on those whom God himself is in the process of “mocking,” “cursing,” “shaming,” “punishing,” “scourging,” “judging,” “burning,” “annihilating,” “not forgiving,” and “not reprieving.” God, who is infinitely wise, has cursed the infidels with their doubts. He prolongs their life and prosperity so that they may continue heaping sin upon sin and all the more richly deserve the torments that await them beyond the grave. In this light, the people who died on September 11 were nothing more than fuel for the eternal fires of God’s justice. To convey the relentlessness with which unbelievers are vilified in the text of the Koran, I provide a long compilation of quotations below, in order of their appearance in the text. This is what the Creator of the universe apparently has on his mind (when he is not fussing with gravitational constants and atomic weights): “It is the same whether or not you forewarn them [the unbelievers], they will have no faith” (2:6). “God will mock them and keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along” (2:15). A fire “whose fuel is men and stones” awaits them (2:24). They will be “rewarded with disgrace in this world and with grievous punishment on the Day of Resurrection” (2:85). “God’s curse be upon the infidels!” (2:89). “They have incurred God’s most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits [them]” (2:90). “God is the enemy of the unbelievers” (2:98). “The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], and the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you from your Lord” (2:105). “They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter” (2:114). “Those to whom We [God] have given the Book, and who read it as it ought to be read, truly believe in it; those that deny it shall assuredly be lost” (2:122). “[We] shall let them live awhile, and then shall drag them to the scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate” (2:126). “The East and the West are God’s. He guides whom He will to a straight path” (2:142). “Do not say that those slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, but you are not aware of them” (2:154). “But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved” (2:162). “They shall sigh with remorse, but shall never come out of the Fire” (2:168). “The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing” (2:172). “Theirs shall be a woeful punishment” (2:175). “How steadfastly they seek the Fire! That is because God has revealed the Book with truth; those that disagree about it are in extreme schism” (2:176). “Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. . . . f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God’s religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil-doers”(2:190–93). “Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. But you may hate a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you. God knows, but you know not” (2:216). “They will not cease to fight against you until they force you to renounce your faith—if they are able. But whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever, his works shall come to nothing in this world and in the world to come. Such men shall be the tenants of
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On 1/21/2015 8:12 PM, chris peck wrote: And a fair answer would be they turned psychotic because they believed in a psychotic religion. No that would be a stupid answer because we know that it is hogwash. Firstly, we know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of muslims do not turn psychotic in the face of cartoons. That's deceptive rhetoric. No one thinks they're psychotic. They're radicalized in the literal sense of wanting to go back to the roots of Islam. They despise the West as immoral and corrupt and think the government should enforce Islamic values. And by that standard I'm not sure the vast majority are not radicalized by cartoons. What percentage of Muslims in Denmark and France thought the government should suppress the cartoons. 55% in Denmark. In the U.K. 62% said criticism of religion should not be protected as free speech. Secondly, we know that learning the Koran acts as a defense against violence. Being taught the koran at madrassa is negatively correlated with becoming radicalized. But it may be correlated with radicalizing others. I'll be being a seminary trained evangelist preacher is negatively correlated with shooting abortion clinic doctors too. thirdly, we know that Coulibaly, for example, came to Islam late. He had already accrued several convictions for violent and drug related crimes before he was 18. A psychologist reports he had an immature and psychotic personality. He was converted to radical Islam during a spell in prison for armed robbery, prior to that he had probably never even seen a Koran. In these respects he follows a fairly typical profile. He was allegedly introduced to Islam by Djamel Begal. Begal, a 'french' Algerian ... and we all know why Algerians are fucked off don't we? ... and erstwhile family man who worked for a homeless charity in the UK, had been arrested and tortured in Dubai while traveling to Afgahnistan in 2000. There was no evidence he was involved in any criminal activities. Tortures included anal rape, urethral insertions, ripping out finger nails, mock executions, force feeding, sleep deprivation and so on. The torture went on and on under the influence of pain enhancing hallucinogenic drugs for months. He was later returned to france where he was convicted on terrorism charges without recourse to a lawyer and imprisoned for ten years. Wikileaks would later release communications from the french judge who convicted Begal admitting that the evidence against him was insufficient. Why was Begal radicalized? Well, it was probably the words in a silly book rather than the torture and imprisonment he was subjected to with impunity and Frances colonial history. I mean an idiot might think so anyway. Fourthly, Coulibaly was actually recorded explaining his motivations: Every time, they try to make you think Muslims are terrorists. I was born in France. If they hadn't been attacked elsewhere I wouldn't be here. I'll tell them to stop attacking the Islamic State, stop unveiling our women, stop putting our brothers in prison for everything and anything. You're the ones who elected your governments, and the governments never hid their intentions to be at war in Mali or elsewhere. So whats with Mali then? Like many African countries Mali's society was ripped apart by French brutality and was conquered in the 1800s. A series of coups and military interventions and Frances' thoroughly evil colonial taxation system has ensured it remains under French control directly or by proxy ever since. Last time the French bombed peasants in Mali was in 2013. What a bunch of wankers. But that bunch of wankers, the French /*includes*/ Coulibaly. Why doesn't he say /*My*/ government is doing bad things and I must work to stop it. You say he wasn't raised Muslim and didn't see a Koran before he went to prison - but wasn't raised Mali either and he never saw it. Yet he identifies with Mali Muslims and refer to our women. You imply he's somehow avenging torture - but he wasn't tortured. A guy he never heard of was tortured and Coulibaly might well have been for it at the time. It seems to me he's a thug who met a guy in prison who showed him how he could feel justified and morally superior to the people who put him in prison. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
And a fair answer would be they turned psychotic because they believed in a psychotic religion. No that would be a stupid answer because we know that it is hogwash. Firstly, we know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of muslims do not turn psychotic in the face of cartoons. Secondly, we know that learning the Koran acts as a defense against violence. Being taught the koran at madrassa is negatively correlated with becoming radicalized. thirdly, we know that Coulibaly, for example, came to Islam late. He had already accrued several convictions for violent and drug related crimes before he was 18. A psychologist reports he had an immature and psychotic personality. He was converted to radical Islam during a spell in prison for armed robbery, prior to that he had probably never even seen a Koran. In these respects he follows a fairly typical profile. He was allegedly introduced to Islam by Djamel Begal. Begal, a 'french' Algerian ... and we all know why Algerians are fucked off don't we? ... and erstwhile family man who worked for a homeless charity in the UK, had been arrested and tortured in Dubai while traveling to Afgahnistan in 2000. There was no evidence he was involved in any criminal activities. Tortures included anal rape, urethral insertions, ripping out finger nails, mock executions, force feeding, sleep deprivation and so on. The torture went on and on under the influence of pain enhancing hallucinogenic drugs for months. He was later returned to france where he was convicted on terrorism charges without recourse to a lawyer and imprisoned for ten years. Wikileaks would later release communications from the french judge who convicted Begal admitting that the evidence against him was insufficient. Why was Begal radicalized? Well, it was probably the words in a silly book rather than the torture and imprisonment he was subjected to with impunity and Frances colonial history. I mean an idiot might think so anyway. Fourthly, Coulibaly was actually recorded explaining his motivations: Every time, they try to make you think Muslims are terrorists. I was born in France. If they hadn't been attacked elsewhere I wouldn't be here. I'll tell them to stop attacking the Islamic State, stop unveiling our women, stop putting our brothers in prison for everything and anything. You're the ones who elected your governments, and the governments never hid their intentions to be at war in Mali or elsewhere. So whats with Mali then? Like many African countries Mali's society was ripped apart by French brutality and was conquered in the 1800s. A series of coups and military interventions and Frances' thoroughly evil colonial taxation system has ensured it remains under French control directly or by proxy ever since. Last time the French bombed peasants in Mali was in 2013. What a bunch of wankers. Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:50:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:49 PM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: Since 1961 muslims have been subjected to increasingly draconian restrictions on their freedome and a media that depicts them in as dehumanizing way as possible. Well, the media certainly didn't need to work very hard to do that! In recent days it has been remarkably easy to depict Islamic culture as dehumanizing. The wankers at Charlie Hebdo are part of that. Of course they should be free to do it, but its no wonder this marginalized sector feels angry about it. Feeling angry is the natural state for Muslims. In the thirteenth century Islamic culture was the most advanced and progressive on the planet, but it's been straight downhill ever since, and today finding something to be offended about at is the only thing Islamic culture is still really really good at. The media now presents the story as though white french people should be afraid of Algerians. This has nothing to do with Algeria, the French or Charlie Hebdo, this has to do with Islamic values. Charlie Hebdo isn't even the worst or most idiotic Islam vs cartoon war. Back in 2005 it was Danish cartoons not French cartoons that cause violent riots and set Muslim nitwits off on a murder spree that ended up killing more than 200 people. Let me know if you think the cartoons deserved such a violent reaction, they were originally in Dutch but you can view them here with their English translation: http://www.aina.org/releases/20060201143237.htm John k Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
France has been known for its deliberate hatreds, pre-ww2, and post ww2. Having said this what I think is occurring is counter colonization, and as of late decades, deliberate. The imposition is from Islamic lands where the majority of the Uma, crave sharia law, sharia rule. I had pondered in years before that maybe this is karma for the French for their personal nastiness? In this case the lesser of the two evils right now are the jihadists, rather then the national front. On what to do, is another matter, perhaps best left off this forum? Dieudonné, their national treasure, as you term it, is a stage name, for a Muslim fellow, who carries his jihad to his shows. The Algerian war you write of are unquestionable in that the Pied Noire colonists were basically the same folks who followed Martial Petain and Pierre Laval collabiorators, during WW2. Again we have a case of the bad versus the worse. -Original Message- From: chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 7:49 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Maybe the Onion cartoon didn't set anyone off, but it just isn't true that these three Algerians are the only people who behave psychotically in the face of free speech. During the first salvos of the battle of Fallujah the allies ransacked and shut down the general hospital because it was releasing civilian casualty figures. That was a war crime. The allies bombed the offices of Al Jazeera in Bagdahd in 2003, a fact widely denied until David Blunket boasted about it in his memoirs. Why? They were releasing civilian casualty figures alongside photographic proof. Freely reporting the truth is simply unacceptable. In the war against Serbia Nato bombed Serbian state tv head quarters killing scores of journalists. We shouldn't be fooled into thinking France has any regard for free speech either. Only days after the Hebdo attacks their national treasure Dieudonné was arrested for an offensive face book post. He aligned himself with the killers rather than the victims in an exasperated outburst. It was deeply insensitive and deeply offensive. But so what? It was just a joke. Clarke's question isn't a fair one. A fair question would be to ask why these three men turned psychotic over a cartoon. Asking why muslims are the only group to turn psychotic implies muslims turn psychotic over jokes in general, which isnt true. It implies that the only people who have killed journalists have been muslims. Again not true. Why did these three Algerians turn psychotic? Who can honestly say? But we can look at the history of Algeria and France, and as it turns out the conquest and subjugation of the Algerian people was exceptionally brutal. Here is a postcard French ex-pats in Algeria could send home to mom depicting the fate of Algerian nationals who disobeyed: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/1337/5sor.jpg see, even beheading people and publishing it on public media has precedents in the west. The Algerians tried to get their country back triggering a bitter civil war that killed 1.5 million people and resulted in Algerian society being torn apart. Pro French Algericans escaped to france, where they have been treated like animals ever since. In 1961, in Paris, during a peaceful protest against the occupation of Algeria and against a curfew imposed by the state, the french police rounded up scores of Algerian men women and children, beat them unconscious and threw them into the Seine to drown. Thousands were rounded up into stadiums and beaten. There are reports that some were forced to drink bleach. Corpses washed up on the shores of the Seine for weeks. Upwards of 200 people were killed. Some estimates are far higher. France. Its not all cheese, baguettes and ooh la la. Since 1961 muslims have been subjected to increasingly draconian restrictions on their freedome and a media that depicts them in as dehumanizing way as possible. The wankers at Charlie Hebdo are part of that. Of course they should be free to do it, but its no wonder this marginalized sector feels angry about it. The media now presents the story as though white french people should be afraid of Algerians. Historically, its clearly the other way around because the whites in France have been behaving like a brutal and murderous bunch of cunts. That said, these three Algerians probably did what they did without reference to any of that and because of some words in a book. To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:45:13 -0500 Brent, you are suffering from progressive derangement syndrome, where all non-complaint minds are evil Nazis. I will never be compliant with progressive thinking because, a) it works poorly, and b) its totalitarian in nature, and becomes
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:49 PM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: Since 1961 muslims have been subjected to increasingly draconian restrictions on their freedome and a media that depicts them in as dehumanizing way as possible. Well, the media certainly didn't need to work very hard to do that! In recent days it has been remarkably easy to depict Islamic culture as dehumanizing. The wankers at Charlie Hebdo are part of that. Of course they should be free to do it, but its no wonder this marginalized sector feels angry about it. Feeling angry is the natural state for Muslims. In the thirteenth century Islamic culture was the most advanced and progressive on the planet, but it's been straight downhill ever since, and today finding something to be offended about at is the only thing Islamic culture is still really really good at. The media now presents the story as though white french people should be afraid of Algerians. This has nothing to do with Algeria, the French or Charlie Hebdo, this has to do with Islamic values. Charlie Hebdo isn't even the worst or most idiotic Islam vs cartoon war. Back in 2005 it was Danish cartoons not French cartoons that cause violent riots and set Muslim nitwits off on a murder spree that ended up killing more than 200 people. Let me know if you think the cartoons deserved such a violent reaction, they were originally in Dutch but you can view them here with their English translation: http://www.aina.org/releases/20060201143237.htm John k Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Maybe the Onion cartoon didn't set anyone off, but it just isn't true that these three Algerians are the only people who behave psychotically in the face of free speech. During the first salvos of the battle of Fallujah the allies ransacked and shut down the general hospital because it was releasing civilian casualty figures. That was a war crime. The allies bombed the offices of Al Jazeera in Bagdahd in 2003, a fact widely denied until David Blunket boasted about it in his memoirs. Why? They were releasing civilian casualty figures alongside photographic proof. Freely reporting the truth is simply unacceptable. In the war against Serbia Nato bombed Serbian state tv head quarters killing scores of journalists. We shouldn't be fooled into thinking France has any regard for free speech either. Only days after the Hebdo attacks their national treasure Dieudonné was arrested for an offensive face book post. He aligned himself with the killers rather than the victims in an exasperated outburst. It was deeply insensitive and deeply offensive. But so what? It was just a joke. Clarke's question isn't a fair one. A fair question would be to ask why these three men turned psychotic over a cartoon. Asking why muslims are the only group to turn psychotic implies muslims turn psychotic over jokes in general, which isnt true. It implies that the only people who have killed journalists have been muslims. Again not true. Why did these three Algerians turn psychotic? Who can honestly say? But we can look at the history of Algeria and France, and as it turns out the conquest and subjugation of the Algerian people was exceptionally brutal. Here is a postcard French ex-pats in Algeria could send home to mom depicting the fate of Algerian nationals who disobeyed: http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/1337/5sor.jpg see, even beheading people and publishing it on public media has precedents in the west. The Algerians tried to get their country back triggering a bitter civil war that killed 1.5 million people and resulted in Algerian society being torn apart. Pro French Algericans escaped to france, where they have been treated like animals ever since. In 1961, in Paris, during a peaceful protest against the occupation of Algeria and against a curfew imposed by the state, the french police rounded up scores of Algerian men women and children, beat them unconscious and threw them into the Seine to drown. Thousands were rounded up into stadiums and beaten. There are reports that some were forced to drink bleach. Corpses washed up on the shores of the Seine for weeks. Upwards of 200 people were killed. Some estimates are far higher. France. Its not all cheese, baguettes and ooh la la. Since 1961 muslims have been subjected to increasingly draconian restrictions on their freedome and a media that depicts them in as dehumanizing way as possible. The wankers at Charlie Hebdo are part of that. Of course they should be free to do it, but its no wonder this marginalized sector feels angry about it. The media now presents the story as though white french people should be afraid of Algerians. Historically, its clearly the other way around because the whites in France have been behaving like a brutal and murderous bunch of cunts. That said, these three Algerians probably did what they did without reference to any of that and because of some words in a book. To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:45:13 -0500 Brent, you are suffering from progressive derangement syndrome, where all non-complaint minds are evil Nazis. I will never be compliant with progressive thinking because, a) it works poorly, and b) its totalitarian in nature, and becomes increasingly so over time. Secondly, Chris is holding the spot for the most mentally-impaired judgment, on the mailing list, and I don't think he needs the competition. I used to be a progressive myself, so I am used to the diatribes, accusations, lies, and Sol Alinsky's rules for Radicals (if you have ever read the man's book?). Now, as to yout OECD comment, I am ok with cradle to grave social services, as long as we find a good way to pay for it all. I am pretty much the kind of libertarian who would like to see small scale fixes tried first, before the hoary hand over national government is imposed, along with all its strings and corruption. However I will accept it intellectually as long as it is thoughtfully planned. It can be done, but in the US, its done, more or less as bribes by the democrat party to guarantee people are dependent on the dems, rather than independent and upward bound. This, Chris's party doesn't want because otherwise, why vote for them? Question, how well do you feel the OECD countries, which you exult in, would be able to fund their national social services, if they had to rely
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Brent, you are suffering from progressive derangement syndrome, where all non-complaint minds are evil Nazis. I will never be compliant with progressive thinking because, a) it works poorly, and b) its totalitarian in nature, and becomes increasingly so over time. Secondly, Chris is holding the spot for the most mentally-impaired judgment, on the mailing list, and I don't think he needs the competition. I used to be a progressive myself, so I am used to the diatribes, accusations, lies, and Sol Alinsky's rules for Radicals (if you have ever read the man's book?). Now, as to yout OECD comment, I am ok with cradle to grave social services, as long as we find a good way to pay for it all. I am pretty much the kind of libertarian who would like to see small scale fixes tried first, before the hoary hand over national government is imposed, along with all its strings and corruption. However I will accept it intellectually as long as it is thoughtfully planned. It can be done, but in the US, its done, more or less as bribes by the democrat party to guarantee people are dependent on the dems, rather than independent and upward bound. This, Chris's party doesn't want because otherwise, why vote for them? Question, how well do you feel the OECD countries, which you exult in, would be able to fund their national social services, if they had to rely on their own national defense, rather than on US warships and planes. It would cut into the social services, no doubt, unless they could cut a deal with Putin, or China, not to invade? I am talking about tens of billions of ecu's or pounds, depending on where you are living. This would be what they call a trade off, indeed. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 4:04 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/19/2015 10:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: But I don'tlike your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its beentried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You mean like in all the OECD nations? Where people are happy and secure because they have a socialist safety net. I'd say you skinhead fascists, like the ones who set a sleeping homeless man on fire here last night, are a lot creepier and failed a lot bigger when you were in power. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe the Onion cartoon didn't set anyone off, It set nobody off even though the Hindi God Ganesha was in it, Jesus was in it, Moses was in it, Buddha was in it and they were all fucking each other. It set nobody off for one reason and one reason only, Muhammad was NOT in it. but it just isn't true that these three Algerians are the only people who behave psychotically in the face of free speech. Golly, I though this was the first time something like that had ever happened! Clarke's question isn't a fair one. Perhaps not, but Clark's question was. A fair question would be to ask why these three men turned psychotic over a cartoon. And a fair answer would be they turned psychotic because they believed in a psychotic religion. Why did these three Algerians turn psychotic? And the reason they believed in a psychotic religion was that there mommy and daddy believed in a psychotic religion. But we can look at the history of Algeria and France, and [blah blah] All religions have had atrocities committed against them at some point in their history, certainly the Jews have, and yet although the Onion cartoon insulted their religion it didn't turn a single Jew into a imbecilic murderer. Cartons only have that effect on Muslims. What explains that phenomenon? I think it's because all religions are imbecilic and toxic but some religions are more imbecilic and toxic than others. as it turns out the conquest and subjugation of the Algerian people was exceptionally brutal. No doubt, but was it more brutal than the Jewish Holocaust? I don't think so, but it wouldn't change anything even if it was because it would just explain why they were imbecilic and murderous, but it wouldn't make them one bit less imbecilic and murderous. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Truth hurts, huh? -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 2:05 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:00 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Basically you yourself are merely a fascist seeking to pimp the party line. Your billionaires, your totalitarians, your ant-democratic philosophy. The fascism statement is fact because so many billionaires own and operate the Dem party and that economically speaking, is plutocracy, oligarchy, and in essence a want to be dictatorship. Your self satisfied mixture of Nazism and communism, is actually something that was seen in Argentina under Juan Peron, where both former Nazis and commies supported the dude. You seem to carry the water for the late, great, El Presidente, philosophically, and this is no surprise for me. The Tea baggers oppose and are opposed by the US Chamber of Commerce, and its corporate minions, unlike your fascist party where all is lost and all is astro-turf. Based on the 2014 elections, do you think the Party will be holding on to power? I mean, from a sweep in 2012, to a sweep out in 2014, what happened? Golly! Off your meds again? -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 1:40 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? If your insult doesn't get your target riled up its a poor usage of language and a poor understanding of political psychology, after perusing your words. If I were a progressive, I would look at your wording (if you were identified as a conservative) and say, look at this Classist scumbag whose divisiveness and his bragging about how superior he is! Superiority, hmm! This Chris guy must be a neonazi. Heh! I mean Washington state is one of the whitest places in the nation! And, remember, not so long ago, that is where the neonazi Das Reich terrorists came from, and they robbed banks and killed that radio show host in Denver. He must be a freak'in loon. Love of state, yep, a hitlerite for sure. Also, Washington is near Idaho where they had the Aryan Nations! ? Also he works for a global corporation, which is one of the oligarchy (This accusation is probably not wrong). That proves it! The anti-immigrant thing is inaccurate (not that it matters to proggies). This is the kind of junk you do and your side does, but yeah, its fun ain't it?? Statistically the very red areas of the country with the strongest Tea bag (e.g. American Fascist Party) affiliation are on average net recipients of federal money – e.g. their economies depend on Federal government largesse. Interestingly the blue areas of our country (the more democratic leaning and liberal thinking areas) are on average net contributors to the federal government. It is many millions of people, primarily from blue parts of the country, like me who are mostly paying the bills of this country. The Teabagger parts of this country, meanwhile are often sucking at the teat of the federal government…. Living off of government checks, their moribund lackluster economies supported by federal tax dollar transfers into their depressed regions. You Tea Party folks are a bunch of obnoxious whiners! Angry at the everyone else, blaming others for your problems. You all need to shut up and get into a 12 step program. The xenophobe thing is absolutely wrong (not that it matters to you) since my focus is primarily murderous Islamists, as opposed to murderous Episcopalians. Actually, progressives are a greater threat to the US, then Muslim Radicals, because you guys defend them, no matter what, and seek to empower them, which is what progressives do. I mean, I am not attempting to persuade you of your error, because, who gives a fuck? But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You rail against the identifiable other that your Party Patriarchs have instructed you to yell at… like the good tool you are! -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 11:06 Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? If your insult doesn't get your target riled up its a poor usage of language and a poor understanding of political psychology, after perusing your words. If I were a progressive, I would look at your wording (if you were identified as a conservative) and say, look at this Classist scumbag whose divisiveness and his bragging about how superior he is! Superiority, hmm! This Chris guy must be a neonazi. Heh! I mean Washington state is one of the whitest places in the nation! And, remember, not so long ago, that is where the neonazi Das Reich terrorists came from, and they robbed banks and killed that radio show host in Denver. He must be a freak'in loon. Love of state, yep, a hitlerite for sure. Also, Washington is near Idaho where they had the Aryan Nations! ? Also he works for a global corporation, which is one of the oligarchy (This accusation is probably not wrong). That proves it! The anti-immigrant thing is inaccurate (not that it matters to proggies). This is the kind of junk you do and your side does, but yeah, its fun ain't it?? Statistically the very red areas of the country with the strongest Tea bag (e.g. American Fascist Party) affiliation are on average net recipients of federal money – e.g. their economies depend on Federal government largesse. Interestingly the blue areas of our country (the more democratic leaning and liberal thinking areas) are on average net contributors to the federal government. It is many millions of people, primarily from blue parts of the country, like me who are mostly paying the bills of this country. The Teabagger parts of this country, meanwhile are often sucking at the teat of the federal government…. Living off of government checks, their moribund lackluster economies supported by federal tax dollar transfers into their depressed regions. You Tea Party folks are a bunch of obnoxious whiners! Angry at the everyone else, blaming others for your problems. You all need to shut up and get into a 12 step program. The xenophobe thing is absolutely wrong (not that it matters to you) since my focus is primarily murderous Islamists, as opposed to murderous Episcopalians. Actually, progressives are a greater threat to the US, then Muslim Radicals, because you guys defend them, no matter what, and seek to empower them, which is what progressives do. I mean, I am not attempting to persuade you of your error, because, who gives a fuck? But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You rail against the identifiable other that your Party Patriarchs have instructed you to yell at… like the good tool you are! -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 11:06 Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you simply don't care whether they eventually start bombing and shooting when things seem right to them to do so. So says the unemployable, angry tea party, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, redneck who could not afford to live in a converted garage in the city where I live. As to your economic analysis, you mean after 6 years Seattle is all that's pulling the Obama economy from sliding back down into recession-ville? Man, that is some strong bud you are imbibing. We have some of the strongest world beating companies headquartered and operating out of here. And zero almost unemployment in the tech sector. And yeah, Washington state also has the best legal bud in the world and a happening music and arts scene. What does your rust belt has-been, industrially decaying, backwater have going for it? But your statements indicate to me a narcissistic mentality that believes after you get done damaging the old US, you, somehow, will be the last stalinoid standing. Fascinating that. Good luck. It is lazy self-absorbed angry idiots like you who have been dragging this country down with your low productivity, abyssimal skill sets and all around ignorance. The state of Washington (like most blue states and areas) is a net tax contributor to the federal government (and to the US economy. If bitter angry white male losers like you would instead of blaming others for “stealing your jobs” instead take some actual responsibility for yourselves and learn new skills in life – skills
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If your insult doesn't get your target riled up its a poor usage of language and a poor understanding of political psychology, after perusing your words. If I were a progressive, I would look at your wording (if you were identified as a conservative) and say, look at this Classist scumbag whose divisiveness and his bragging about how superior he is! Superiority, hmm! This Chris guy must be a neonazi. Heh! I mean Washington state is one of the whitest places in the nation! And, remember, not so long ago, that is where the neonazi Das Reich terrorists came from, and they robbed banks and killed that radio show host in Denver. He must be a freak'in loon. Love of state, yep, a hitlerite for sure. Also, Washington is near Idaho where they had the Aryan Nations! ? Also he works for a global corporation, which is one of the oligarchy (This accusation is probably not wrong). That proves it! The anti-immigrant thing is inaccurate (not that it matters to proggies). This is the kind of junk you do and your side does, but yeah, its fun ain't it?? The xenophobe thing is absolutely wrong (not that it matters to you) since my focus is primarily murderous Islamists, as opposed to murderous Episcopalians. Actually, progressives are a greater threat to the US, then Muslim Radicals, because you guys defend them, no matter what, and seek to empower them, which is what progressives do. I mean, I am not attempting to persuade you of your error, because, who gives a fuck? But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 11:06 Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you simply don't care whether they eventually start bombing and shooting when things seem right to them to do so. So says the unemployable, angry tea party, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, redneck who could not afford to live in a converted garage in the city where I live. As to your economic analysis, you mean after 6 years Seattle is all that's pulling the Obama economy from sliding back down into recession-ville? Man, that is some strong bud you are imbibing. We have some of the strongest world beating companies headquartered and operating out of here. And zero almost unemployment in the tech sector. And yeah, Washington state also has the best legal bud in the world and a happening music and arts scene. What does your rust belt has-been, industrially decaying, backwater have going for it? But your statements indicate to me a narcissistic mentality that believes after you get done damaging the old US, you, somehow, will be the last stalinoid standing. Fascinating that. Good luck. It is lazy self-absorbed angry idiots like you who have been dragging this country down with your low productivity, abyssimal skill sets and all around ignorance. The state of Washington (like most blue states and areas) is a net tax contributor to the federal government (and to the US economy. If bitter angry white male losers like you would instead of blaming others for “stealing your jobs” instead take some actual responsibility for yourselves and learn new skills in life – skills that are in demand – then you might have a little more luck yourself. Your kind always preaches using the language of personal responsibility, but I bet you blame others for your poor socio-economic status and low personal achievement. I am sure somehow this also must be the fault of those Islamic devils. Typical hypocrisy, easier to blame others for one’s ills and short comings. All of this would just be your business, but your psychopathic love affair with an existential clash of civilizations makes you impossible to ignore, which – believe me -- would be my preference. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 2:29 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Yah, could be. I was just strumming through the news when I hit this item, and it made me think of adding it to our discussion here. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/muslim-immigrants-smash-urinate-on-virgin-mary-statue-in-italy/ Sikh's mix in, Hindu's mix in, Buddhists and Daoists mix in, Jews and Atheists, all mix in (Jews funded and fought in th 1776 revo-a conspiracy?) and so forth and Deists
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Basically you yourself are merely a fascist seeking to pimp the party line. Your billionaires, your totalitarians, your ant-democratic philosophy. The fascism statement is fact because so many billionaires own and operate the Dem party and that economically speaking, is plutocracy, oligarchy, and in essence a want to be dictatorship. Your self satisfied mixture of Nazism and communism, is actually something that was seen in Argentina under Juan Peron, where both former Nazis and commies supported the dude. You seem to carry the water for the late, great, El Presidente, philosophically, and this is no surprise for me. The Tea baggers oppose and are opposed by the US Chamber of Commerce, and its corporate minions, unlike your fascist party where all is lost and all is astro-turf. Based on the 2014 elections, do you think the Party will be holding on to power? I mean, from a sweep in 2012, to a sweep out in 2014, what happened? Golly! -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 1:40 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? If your insult doesn't get your target riled up its a poor usage of language and a poor understanding of political psychology, after perusing your words. If I were a progressive, I would look at your wording (if you were identified as a conservative) and say, look at this Classist scumbag whose divisiveness and his bragging about how superior he is! Superiority, hmm! This Chris guy must be a neonazi. Heh! I mean Washington state is one of the whitest places in the nation! And, remember, not so long ago, that is where the neonazi Das Reich terrorists came from, and they robbed banks and killed that radio show host in Denver. He must be a freak'in loon. Love of state, yep, a hitlerite for sure. Also, Washington is near Idaho where they had the Aryan Nations! ? Also he works for a global corporation, which is one of the oligarchy (This accusation is probably not wrong). That proves it! The anti-immigrant thing is inaccurate (not that it matters to proggies). This is the kind of junk you do and your side does, but yeah, its fun ain't it?? Statistically the very red areas of the country with the strongest Tea bag (e.g. American Fascist Party) affiliation are on average net recipients of federal money – e.g. their economies depend on Federal government largesse. Interestingly the blue areas of our country (the more democratic leaning and liberal thinking areas) are on average net contributors to the federal government. It is many millions of people, primarily from blue parts of the country, like me who are mostly paying the bills of this country. The Teabagger parts of this country, meanwhile are often sucking at the teat of the federal government…. Living off of government checks, their moribund lackluster economies supported by federal tax dollar transfers into their depressed regions. You Tea Party folks are a bunch of obnoxious whiners! Angry at the everyone else, blaming others for your problems. You all need to shut up and get into a 12 step program. The xenophobe thing is absolutely wrong (not that it matters to you) since my focus is primarily murderous Islamists, as opposed to murderous Episcopalians. Actually, progressives are a greater threat to the US, then Muslim Radicals, because you guys defend them, no matter what, and seek to empower them, which is what progressives do. I mean, I am not attempting to persuade you of your error, because, who gives a fuck? But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You rail against the identifiable other that your Party Patriarchs have instructed you to yell at… like the good tool you are! -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 11:06 Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you simply don't care whether they eventually start bombing and shooting when things seem right to them to do so. So says the unemployable, angry tea party, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, redneck who could not afford to live in a converted garage in the city where I live. As to your economic analysis, you mean after 6 years Seattle is all
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:00 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? Basically you yourself are merely a fascist seeking to pimp the party line. Your billionaires, your totalitarians, your ant-democratic philosophy. The fascism statement is fact because so many billionaires own and operate the Dem party and that economically speaking, is plutocracy, oligarchy, and in essence a want to be dictatorship. Your self satisfied mixture of Nazism and communism, is actually something that was seen in Argentina under Juan Peron, where both former Nazis and commies supported the dude. You seem to carry the water for the late, great, El Presidente, philosophically, and this is no surprise for me. The Tea baggers oppose and are opposed by the US Chamber of Commerce, and its corporate minions, unlike your fascist party where all is lost and all is astro-turf. Based on the 2014 elections, do you think the Party will be holding on to power? I mean, from a sweep in 2012, to a sweep out in 2014, what happened? Golly! Off your meds again? -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 1:40 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? If your insult doesn't get your target riled up its a poor usage of language and a poor understanding of political psychology, after perusing your words. If I were a progressive, I would look at your wording (if you were identified as a conservative) and say, look at this Classist scumbag whose divisiveness and his bragging about how superior he is! Superiority, hmm! This Chris guy must be a neonazi. Heh! I mean Washington state is one of the whitest places in the nation! And, remember, not so long ago, that is where the neonazi Das Reich terrorists came from, and they robbed banks and killed that radio show host in Denver. He must be a freak'in loon. Love of state, yep, a hitlerite for sure. Also, Washington is near Idaho where they had the Aryan Nations! ? Also he works for a global corporation, which is one of the oligarchy (This accusation is probably not wrong). That proves it! The anti-immigrant thing is inaccurate (not that it matters to proggies). This is the kind of junk you do and your side does, but yeah, its fun ain't it?? Statistically the very red areas of the country with the strongest Tea bag (e.g. American Fascist Party) affiliation are on average net recipients of federal money – e.g. their economies depend on Federal government largesse. Interestingly the blue areas of our country (the more democratic leaning and liberal thinking areas) are on average net contributors to the federal government. It is many millions of people, primarily from blue parts of the country, like me who are mostly paying the bills of this country. The Teabagger parts of this country, meanwhile are often sucking at the teat of the federal government…. Living off of government checks, their moribund lackluster economies supported by federal tax dollar transfers into their depressed regions. You Tea Party folks are a bunch of obnoxious whiners! Angry at the everyone else, blaming others for your problems. You all need to shut up and get into a 12 step program. The xenophobe thing is absolutely wrong (not that it matters to you) since my focus is primarily murderous Islamists, as opposed to murderous Episcopalians. Actually, progressives are a greater threat to the US, then Muslim Radicals, because you guys defend them, no matter what, and seek to empower them, which is what progressives do. I mean, I am not attempting to persuade you of your error, because, who gives a fuck? But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You rail against the identifiable other that your Party Patriarchs have instructed you to yell at… like the good tool you are! -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 11:06 Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you simply
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On 1/19/2015 10:17 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: But I don't like your specious multiculturalist creepiness to go unchallenged on this email list. Its failed everywhere its been tried, as nearly all of the liberal crap has. You mean like in all the OECD nations? Where people are happy and secure because they have a socialist safety net. I'd say you skinhead fascists, like the ones who set a sleeping homeless man on fire here last night, are a lot creepier and failed a lot bigger when you were in power. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you simply don't care whether they eventually start bombing and shooting when things seem right to them to do so. So says the unemployable, angry tea party, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, redneck who could not afford to live in a converted garage in the city where I live. As to your economic analysis, you mean after 6 years Seattle is all that's pulling the Obama economy from sliding back down into recession-ville? Man, that is some strong bud you are imbibing. We have some of the strongest world beating companies headquartered and operating out of here. And zero almost unemployment in the tech sector. And yeah, Washington state also has the best legal bud in the world and a happening music and arts scene. What does your rust belt has-been, industrially decaying, backwater have going for it? But your statements indicate to me a narcissistic mentality that believes after you get done damaging the old US, you, somehow, will be the last stalinoid standing. Fascinating that. Good luck. It is lazy self-absorbed angry idiots like you who have been dragging this country down with your low productivity, abyssimal skill sets and all around ignorance. The state of Washington (like most blue states and areas) is a net tax contributor to the federal government (and to the US economy. If bitter angry white male losers like you would instead of blaming others for “stealing your jobs” instead take some actual responsibility for yourselves and learn new skills in life – skills that are in demand – then you might have a little more luck yourself. Your kind always preaches using the language of personal responsibility, but I bet you blame others for your poor socio-economic status and low personal achievement. I am sure somehow this also must be the fault of those Islamic devils. Typical hypocrisy, easier to blame others for one’s ills and short comings. All of this would just be your business, but your psychopathic love affair with an existential clash of civilizations makes you impossible to ignore, which – believe me -- would be my preference. -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 2:29 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Yah, could be. I was just strumming through the news when I hit this item, and it made me think of adding it to our discussion here. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/muslim-immigrants-smash-urinate-on-virgin-mary-statue-in-italy/ Sikh's mix in, Hindu's mix in, Buddhists and Daoists mix in, Jews and Atheists, all mix in (Jews funded and fought in th 1776 revo-a conspiracy?) and so forth and Deists, and Agnostics, and Platonists, and so forth. Why not the Muslims? I have pointed out one answer. But its not something you can live with. Alas or meh! Muslims, mix in fine in the state of Washington. They are my colleagues – highly educated software engineers – working along-side other programmers and technology workers from all ethnicities and religious backgrounds in the globally significant high technology cluster in the Seattle metro area. They are my neighbors, along with all the other diverse technology immigrant communities that now live here. My city… my metro area in this American continent, is one of the engines that keeps our country from sinking down into economic collapse, decline and historical irrelevance. There are communities from every part of the earth, living side by side and thriving here… and the collective energy and brilliance of this technology-cluster diaspora is the secret sauce that makes this world class technology cluster engine possible. You live somewhere in the American rust belt… in a declining industrial has-been-heartland.. a hollowed out husk of the former glory days. Is this what drives your bitterness? -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 1:27 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind
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Brent, Hindus are not on a campaign worldwide to ensure their rule. Today its the Muslims, tomorrow it may be the Hawaiian shirt wearers. The communists were the biggest mass murderers in human history, in part due to the fact they spent so much effort slaughtering their own people, unlike the Nazis, the Aztecs, the Conquistadores, who spent so much time slaughtering others. The Islamists come in even-steven with massacring outsiders (qufar-infidels) and also wish to destroy each other, Sunni v Shia, etc. So what to do? -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/18/2015 10:03 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Because its not part of the partyline is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable thejihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow downthe forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus,get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makessense. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave likehomicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted,but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist donot.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimatequestion. Of course it is not all Muslims who become homicidal, only a small number; yet certainly a much larger proportion than among thoseother religions. But the Tamil Tigers are Hindu and have engaged insuicide bombing and other terrorist acts. Christians and Jewscertainly also in different times. Buddhist and Jains and Quakersnot so much. Atheists...depends on how you count Stalin, Mao, andPol Pot. I don't think they had their 'religion' insulted; theyjust wanted power, but that might be true of imams too. I think theimportant difference is Muslims have been marginalized by theadvance of technological civilization and the Enlightenment. Sodisaffected young men, like the Kouchai brothers, see fighting forIslam as a worthy and noble venture to give meaning to their lives,without having give it themselves. By comparison, fighting for communism would have been attractive in the 50's but is passe now. Fighting for Capitalism makes no sense because Capitalism isdominant. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 2:09 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On 1/18/2015 10:03 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makes sense. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. Of course it is not all Muslims who become homicidal, only a small number; yet certainly a much larger proportion than among those other religions. But the Tamil Tigers are Hindu and have engaged in suicide bombing and other terrorist acts. Christians and Jews certainly also in different times. Buddhist and Jains and Quakers not so much. Atheists...depends on how you count Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. I don't think they had their 'religion' insulted; they just wanted power, but that might be true of imams too. I think the important difference is Muslims have been marginalized by the advance of technological civilization and the Enlightenment. So disaffected young men, like the Kouchai brothers, see fighting for Islam as a worthy and noble venture to give meaning to their lives, without having give it themselves. By comparison, fighting for communism would have been attractive in the 50's but is passe now. Fighting for Capitalism makes no sense because Capitalism is dominant. I am glad you see the distinction, and recognize that there are all kinds of people living in the middle east and Iran. The Arab/Persian/Turkish spheres all have long and glorious histories. They are complex places. Up to a point I agree with the analysis you provide. One cannot totally discount the experience of European Colonialism and later on the petro-dollar empire the victorious post WWII US. We have backed brutal tyrants (the Shah, whom we installed in a 1953 CIA run coup in Iran, instigated by that countries democratically elected governments refusal to continue allowing BP to take 90% of oil revenues out as profit). The opulent narcissistic kleptocracies of the Gulf Egypt also backed and supported… certainly not in the name of freedom. Iraq has been destroyed by more than twenty years of war (actually more than thirty, counting the Iraq/Iran war). Even in the periods between the two later Iraq wars it was strangled by economic war. Predictably it has fallen apart now and the most extreme elements of that society have emerged in the vacuum of the absence of state power. Should anyone really be surprised that a people traumatized by a multi generations long war, with all infrastructure basically destroyed (rebuilt “somewhat” to soon become destroyed again), with everything that comes with living under those kinds of harsh, brutalizing, dehumanizing conditions… should the West be surprised with the psychopathic freak/horror show that subsequently emerges? The Neocon prescription has been followed for almost 15 years. Iraq and Afghanistan were bombed into freedom; the United States went in and broke the pottery – just as Collin Powell had warned. You break it; you own it. ISIS and the other criminal gangs that have emerged may all adopt the messianic cloth of Islamic extremism, but the cause of their emergence is more the result of a many decade long US military action. What we see is what emerges from shock and awe and nation “building”… it is war’s bumper crop… this is classic blowback. Quite conveniently for the neocon airbags that still blather on (as they have been now for 15 years) exhorting others to go out to wage war, to kill and be killed… quite conveniently for them, ISIS makes the perfect bogey man (they are scary monsters, no doubt, I have seen some truly gruesome footage
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Yah, could be. I was just strumming through the news when I hit this item, and it made me think of adding it to our discussion here. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/muslim-immigrants-smash-urinate-on-virgin-mary-statue-in-italy/ Sikh's mix in, Hindu's mix in, Buddhists and Daoists mix in, Jews and Atheists, all mix in (Jews funded and fought in th 1776 revo-a conspiracy?) and so forth and Deists, and Agnostics, and Platonists, and so forth. Why not the Muslims? I have pointed out one answer. But its not something you can live with. Alas or meh! -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 1:27 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makes sense. Yes, very paranoid indeed… and yes, of course it would make “sense” to you; due to your own existential lock-in into your paranoid delusional world views. -Chris I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Yah, could be. I was just strumming through the news when I hit this item, and it made me think of adding it to our discussion here. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/muslim-immigrants-smash-urinate-on-virgin-mary-statue-in-italy/ Sikh's mix in, Hindu's mix in, Buddhists and Daoists mix in, Jews and Atheists, all mix in (Jews funded and fought in th 1776 revo-a conspiracy?) and so forth and Deists, and Agnostics, and Platonists, and so forth. Why not the Muslims? I have pointed out one answer. But its not something you can live with. Alas or meh! Muslims, mix in fine in the state of Washington. They are my colleagues – highly educated software engineers – working along-side other programmers and technology workers from all ethnicities and religious backgrounds in the globally significant high technology cluster in the Seattle metro area. They are my neighbors, along with all the other diverse technology immigrant communities that now live here. My city… my metro area in this American continent, is one of the engines that keeps our country from sinking down into economic collapse, decline and historical irrelevance. There are communities from every part of the earth, living side by side and thriving here… and the collective energy and brilliance of this technology-cluster diaspora is the secret sauce that makes this world class technology cluster engine possible. You live somewhere in the American rust belt… in a declining industrial has-been-heartland.. a hollowed out husk of the former glory days. Is this what drives your bitterness? -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 1:27 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com? ] Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makes sense. Yes, very paranoid indeed… and yes, of course it would make “sense” to you; due to your own existential lock-in into your paranoid delusional world views. -Chris I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makes sense. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makes sense. Yes, very paranoid indeed… and yes, of course it would make “sense” to you; due to your own existential lock-in into your paranoid delusional world views. -Chris I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
Yeah they might indeed be 'americanized' so to speak, or it might be that you simply don't care whether they eventually start bombing and shooting when things seem right to them to do so. As to your economic analysis, you mean after 6 years Seattle is all that's pulling the Obama economy from sliding back down into recession-ville? Man, that is some strong bud you are imbibing. But your statements indicate to me a narcissistic mentality that believes after you get done damaging the old US, you, somehow, will be the last stalinoid standing. Fascinating that. Good luck. -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 2:29 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Yah, could be. I was just strumming through the news when I hit this item, and it made me think of adding it to our discussion here. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/muslim-immigrants-smash-urinate-on-virgin-mary-statue-in-italy/ Sikh's mix in, Hindu's mix in, Buddhists and Daoists mix in, Jews and Atheists, all mix in (Jews funded and fought in th 1776 revo-a conspiracy?) and so forth and Deists, and Agnostics, and Platonists, and so forth. Why not the Muslims? I have pointed out one answer. But its not something you can live with. Alas or meh! Muslims, mix in fine in the state of Washington. They are my colleagues – highly educated software engineers – working along-side other programmers and technology workers from all ethnicities and religious backgrounds in the globally significant high technology cluster in the Seattle metro area. They are my neighbors, along with all the other diverse technology immigrant communities that now live here. My city… my metro area in this American continent, is one of the engines that keeps our country from sinking down into economic collapse, decline and historical irrelevance. There are communities from every part of the earth, living side by side and thriving here… and the collective energy and brilliance of this technology-cluster diaspora is the secret sauce that makes this world class technology cluster engine possible. You live somewhere in the American rust belt… in a declining industrial has-been-heartland.. a hollowed out husk of the former glory days. Is this what drives your bitterness? -Chris -Original Message- From: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 1:27 pm Subject: RE: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makes sense. Yes, very paranoid indeed… and yes, of course it would make “sense” to you; due to your own existential lock-in into your paranoid delusional world views. -Chris I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On 1/18/2015 10:03 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Because its not part of the party line is why. It's the ideology of progies to enable the jihad attacks against the west, perhaps so as to winnow down the forces of resistance, via Islamist attacks, and thus, get the party worldwide into power, placed their by beleaguered votes? Paranoid indeed, but it kind of makes sense. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -Original Message- From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon? On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com mailto:multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. Of course it is not all Muslims who become homicidal, only a small number; yet certainly a much larger proportion than among those other religions. But the Tamil Tigers are Hindu and have engaged in suicide bombing and other terrorist acts. Christians and Jews certainly also in different times. Buddhist and Jains and Quakers not so much. Atheists...depends on how you count Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot. I don't think they had their 'religion' insulted; they just wanted power, but that might be true of imams too. I think the important difference is Muslims have been marginalized by the advance of technological civilization and the Enlightenment. So disaffected young men, like the Kouchai brothers, see fighting for Islam as a worthy and noble venture to give meaning to their lives, without having give it themselves. By comparison, fighting for communism would have been attractive in the 50's but is passe now. Fighting for Capitalism makes no sense because Capitalism is dominant. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:33 PM, PGC multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. I observe a empirical fact, Muslims behave like homicidal imbeciles when their religion is insulted, but Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhist do not.Why the difference? It is a perfectly legitimate question. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. No, it just asks what distinguish two superficially similar cases, one in which a cartoon insulted Islam and one which insulted four other major religions, which had very different responses. I'd bet that the people that created it at The Onion suppose that violence is NOT justified by an insult. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:42 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. No, it just asks what distinguish two superficially similar cases, one in which a cartoon insulted Islam and one which insulted four other major religions, which had very different responses. I'd bet that the people that created it at The Onion suppose that violence is NOT justified by an insult. Hence the word ironically. If you want to believe that the cartoon was created out of pure innocence and curiosity of creative staff at the Onion, that is your choice. This doesn't bar us from questioning content and relate that to current events with extra grain of salt. I can't consume this pap otherwise, with sincere apologies to creative at the onion. Not my taste. We should aspire to better. PGC - Armchair Colonel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On 1/16/2015 10:14 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:42 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. No, it just asks what distinguish two superficially similar cases, one in which a cartoon insulted Islam and one which insulted four other major religions, which had very different responses. I'd bet that the people that created it at The Onion suppose that violence is NOT justified by an insult. Hence the word ironically. If you want to believe that the cartoon was created out of pure innocence and curiosity of creative staff at the Onion, that is your choice. This doesn't bar us from questioning content and relate that to current events with extra grain of salt. I can't consume this pap otherwise, with sincere apologies to creative at the onion. Not my taste. We should aspire to better. PGC - Armchair Colonel Then why don't you? Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why was nobody murdered because of this cartoon?
On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 7:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/16/2015 10:14 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 2:42 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/15/2015 7:33 PM, PGC wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 8:54:40 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: A fair question. I'm not so sure about that. The question presupposes ironically that violence is a justified response to insult. No, it just asks what distinguish two superficially similar cases, one in which a cartoon insulted Islam and one which insulted four other major religions, which had very different responses. I'd bet that the people that created it at The Onion suppose that violence is NOT justified by an insult. Hence the word ironically. If you want to believe that the cartoon was created out of pure innocence and curiosity of creative staff at the Onion, that is your choice. This doesn't bar us from questioning content and relate that to current events with extra grain of salt. I can't consume this pap otherwise, with sincere apologies to creative at the onion. Not my taste. We should aspire to better. PGC - Armchair Colonel Then why don't you? I do. It's my job, mucking around with wires on a wooden box for entertainment and education. But I make no PR here because that's off topic commercial interest and thus spam. PGC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
