[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/13/04 7:47 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -There's no sense of original purity of which we partake, there's just a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of another from their actions; probably given the observer/observed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful, though I have to say now that I don't know what all the fuss is about, particularly

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Good question! I would say offhand that the double cone is actually the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn is one of the countless

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
misunderstood his definition,or I heard a rather more elegant retelling than the original if you are correct. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you can experience Unity, but you cannot experience

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Llundrub wrote: Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou relationship to remain relatively intact at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Llundrub wrote: Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a copy of you reading this article? A person who is not you but who lives on a planet called Earth, with misty mountains, fertile fields and sprawling cities, in a solar system with eight other planets? The life

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Vaj
On Aug 14, 2005, at 3:08 AM, sparaig wrote: Should read the Scientific American online articles about multiverses.The first level multiverse is described below. There are 4 theoretical levels: I'll check that out, thanks! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY talks about being one with the immediate objectof perception for Unity while with growth towards Brahman, there is perception of being one with secondary, tertiary, etc., objects... Can a human *grow* into Brahman

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful, though I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems to me that Brahman Consciousness, more than any other state is process as opposed to attainment. YES Beautifully put, Sparaig, many thanks :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This goes back to MMY's claim that a sign of Unity is being able to do any and all of the TM-Sidhis at will (outside of Sidhis practice). The times the sidhis have really impressed me were outside of Sidhis practice,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say offhand that the double cone is actually the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn is one of the countless Krishna-bubbles or Universes, and so on...:-) The play of the three

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say offhand that the double cone is actually the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn is one of the countless Krishna-bubbles or Universes, and so on...:-) The play of the three

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY talks about being one with the immediate objectof perception for Unity while with growth towards Brahman, there is perception of being

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Llundrub
Interesting note also about the Krishna bubble universes. Once in 1981? as I was walking up the road, away from the TMO-Kansas City Capital building, it was early dawn on a Sunday I think, and I saw Krishna with his flute in a subtle sight vision. I ascribed it at the time to too many

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting note also about the Krishna bubble universes. Once in 1981? as I was walking up the road, away from the TMO-Kansas City Capital building, it was early dawn on a Sunday I think, and I saw Krishna with his

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More likely he read last night's theory-fest on Brahman Consciousness, while I skipped it. No offense, but it just didn't seem to be very practical or useful to me. These days I'm into everyday Buddhas and how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-14 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting note also about the Krishna bubble universes. Once in 1981? as I was walking up the road, away from the TMO-Kansas City

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi? In dvaita religions good is seen battling evil and one must close ranks and act upon the directions of the goodly master

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Seems like a mixture of both to me. He's not bound by codes of conduct, although he's very rigid regarding the purity of the teaching. He works for the betterment of the world, but it could be argued that his efforts are not entirely selfless. My belief is that he's very

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like a mixture of both to me. He's not bound by codes of conduct, although he's very rigid regarding the purity of the teaching. He works for the betterment of the world, but it could be argued that his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My belief is that he's very dualistic. Gotta agree with Llundrub on this one. There's always someone to blame for either the state of the world or for some failed plan. And it's never him. That's just the hat he's wearing for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread TurquoiseB
My belief is that he's very dualistic. Gotta agree with Llundrub on this one. There's always someone to blame for either the state of the world or for some failed plan. And it's never him. That's just the hat he's wearing for the party. The party's been going on for 40 years

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My belief is that he's very dualistic. Gotta agree with Llundrub on this one. There's always someone to blame for either the state of the world or for some failed plan. And it's never him. That's just the hat he's wearing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi? on 8/13/04 7:47 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -There's no sense of original purity of which we partake, there's just a -we must purify the world- approach. That's not very advaita

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/13/04 7:47 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -There's no sense of original purity of which we partake, there's just a -we must purify the world- approach. That's not very advaita. Moreover,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of another from their actions; probably given the observer/observed uncertainty one can never adequately determine the state of consciousness of another, if

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of another from their actions; probably given the observer/observed uncertainty one can never adequately

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have apparently confused myself on this distinction. It appears that in Unity we see everything in terms of ourselves, and in Brahman, there is fundamentally no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have apparently confused myself on this distinction. It appears that in Unity we see everything in terms of ourselves, and in Brahman, there is fundamentally no 'our self'. Or alternatively, there is one

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of another from their

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have apparently confused myself on this distinction. It appears that in Unity we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In Brahman, the double-cone of consciousness has realized itself alone, and that all the beloved states of consciousness are merely conic sections of itself: point (sleep), line (dream), plane (waking),

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip so that Brahman is neither absolute nor relative, nor both together, nor neither, and so on. There can be perception of (or via) Unity,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There *does* appear to be a subtle duality present in UC (despite the name) because it is experienced as a distinct SoC. Whereas in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip so that Brahman is neither absolute nor relative, nor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In Brahman, the double-cone of consciousness has realized itself alone, and that all the beloved states of consciousness are merely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is a horizontal plane through the center; the line is a diagonal plane through the center tangential to one edge; the X is the vertical cross-section. The higher states or planes intersect the cone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
That's just the hat he's wearing for the party.-Peter Do you know who is throwing the party? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is a horizontal plane through the center; the line is a diagonal plane through the center tangential to one edge; the X is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful, though I have to say now that I don't know what all the fuss is about, particularly visualizing these higher states. In all honesty, they look almost

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful, though I have to say now that I don't know what all the fuss is about,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got it- the googling was instaneously helpful,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
snip Kind of makes me wish I had gone to MIU; this analogy just came to me a few years ago when I was thinking about the relationship between Brahman and the classic seven states of consciousness :-) Akasha, you would have been right at home with all the philosophy majors. It was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:31 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Einstein and other relativity theorists, used a similar double cone to explain the time/space continuum and called the negative space Elsewhere. As most MIU core course students may remember from the physics courses. Itzhak Bentov also used

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kind of makes me wish I had gone to MIU; this analogy just came to me a few years ago when I was thinking about the relationship between Brahman and the classic seven states of consciousness :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Good question! I would say offhand that the double cone is actually the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn is one of the countless Krishna-bubbles or Universes, and so on...:-) Have you read the myth of Er in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kind of makes me wish I had gone to MIU; this analogy just came to me a few years ago when I was thinking about the relationship between Brahman

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread akasha_108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kind of makes me wish I had gone to MIU; this analogy just came to me a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi? of original purity of which we partake, there's just a -we must purify the world- approach. That's not very advaita. Moreover, remaking the world is not very advaita either. All of which leads

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of another from their actions; probably given the observer/observed uncertainty one can never adequately determine the state of consciousness of another, if one is not functioning at least from Brahman and willing to completely

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: One apparently cannot determine the state of consciousness of an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:31 PM, akasha_108 wrote: Einstein and other relativity theorists, used a similar double cone to explain the time/space continuum and called the negative space Elsewhere. As most MIU core course

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Yes, you can "experience" Unity, but you cannot "experience" Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-)I spent many years doing Forest Academys where Maharishi and his white pundits talked about the distinction between unity and brahman, and the main point of difference was always having to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Good question! I would say offhand that the double cone is actually the central core of a torus (the Hiranyagarbha-field), which in turn is one of the countless

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you can experience Unity, but you cannot experience Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-) I spent many years doing Forest Academys where Maharishi and his white pundits talked about the distinction between

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you can experience Unity, but you cannot experience Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-) I spent many years doing Forest Academys where Maharishi and his white pundits What is a white pundit? Is that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent many years doing Forest Academys where Maharishi and his white pundits What is a white pundit? Is that anything like a white

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Rory Goff wrote: He used the double-cone analogy? Oh yeah--took it to really the most experiential heights IMO. He also describes the macrocosmic hiranyagarbha in some detail. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Yes, I recall learning a lot of this stuff amongst the Pythagoreans and Neoplatonists, but don't recall if I've read Plato's Republic. Many thanks, Vaj; I will keep my eyes open for it :-) Just do a web search for it plato myth of er. It's the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Rory Goff wrote: He used the double-cone analogy? Oh yeah--took it to really the most experiential heights IMO. He also describes the macrocosmic hiranyagarbha in some detail. Cool. Bentov

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you can experience Unity, but you cannot experience Brahman -- Brahman experiences you :-) I spent many years doing Forest

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 6:11 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Cool. Bentov lives! :-) I just recently read parts of his daughters biography of Ben. Quite the man. There is also actually a quantum field theory based on the torus model of consciousness. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Rory Goff wrote: Yes, I recall learning a lot of this stuff amongst the Pythagoreans and Neoplatonists, but don't recall if I've read Plato's Republic. Many thanks, Vaj; I will keep my eyes

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
What is a "white pundit"?Is that anything like a "white Russian"?His non Indic pundits such as John Haeglen, Bevan Morris, etc etc etc... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou relationship to remain relatively intact at the subtlest levels, while BC destroys all such relationships and indeed every opposite or duality into utter

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're really attached to the notion of Brahman. Could be. You are seeing a very small, specific, and rather concentrated part of me here. When I am not talking to you guys, none of this material exists for me at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Llundrub wrote: Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou relationship to remain relatively intact at the subtlest levels, while BC destroys all such relationships and indeed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 13, 2004, at 6:39 PM, Llundrub wrote: Perhaps we could say Unity ripens the intimate identity between perceiver and the perceived, while allowing the essential I-thou relationship to remain relatively intact at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whereas the notion of Brahman is merely some sketchy concept with no actual basis in anything. All you're doing with this geometries of awareness is reifying some errant conceptuality which itself has no actual

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Peter
--- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Kind of makes me wish I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until any of us stop casting shadows and our very normal intentions manifest as siddhis (which others will no doubt notice) we ain't there yet. snip Now *this* is what I would call reification of the worst sort :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Robert Gimbel
I heard a mystic one time speak, on a basic and interesting point about communication. He was from Africa, a big guy (kind of looked like an old African King); Anyway he said, that it really doesn't matter what you say or if you are understood, because no one really understands anyone else,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
It seems to me that all *anyone* does who speaks of the unspeakable, is "reifying some errant conceptuality," and yet I enjoyed reading of "reifications" like these when I thought myself on a path, and I enjoy playing with these "reifications" now when there is evidently no path. No

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that all *anyone* does who speaks of the unspeakable, is reifying some errant conceptuality, and yet I enjoyed reading of reifications like these when I thought myself on a path, and I enjoy playing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Vaj
On Aug 13, 2005, at 7:47 PM, Rory Goff wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until any of us stop casting shadows and our very normal intentions manifest as siddhis (which others will no doubt notice) we ain't there yet. snip Now *this* is what I would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until any of us stop casting shadows and our very normal intentions manifest as siddhis (which others will no doubt notice) we ain't there yet. snip R. wrote: Now *this* is what I would call reification of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Llundrub
Don't hold back, Llundrub -- tell me what you *really* think :-)Seriously, did I inadvertently push some button when I compared the various states of consciousness to conic sections? Are you particularly attached to one of these states of consciousness, or something?-Sorry, once I got

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-13 Thread Rory Goff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't hold back, Llundrub -- tell me what you *really* think :-) Seriously, did I inadvertently push some button when I compared the various states of consciousness to conic sections? Are you particularly attached to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dvaita Vs. Advaita - Epistimological Aspects - Which is Maharishi?

2005-08-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In dvaita religions good is seen battling evil and one must close ranks and act upon the directions of the goodly master, or one is damned. In Advaita all that one surveys is the expression of the ultimate, and