[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Well, I think according to the naasadiiya-suukta of Rgveda (X 129,
Hymn of Creation) there was time before the Big Bang:
naasadaasiinnosadaasiit tadaaniim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdJ5sZIVbI
(na asat aasiit na u sat aasiit tadaaniim)
There was (aasiit) not (na) the non-existent (a-sat)
nor (no na u) the existent (sat) *then* (tadaaniim).
tadAnIm ind. (Pa1n2. 5-3 , 19) at that time , then (cf. %{id-}) RV. x , 129 ,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote:
Share,
The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's
asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big
Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of
God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a
prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such
statements?
JR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to
learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also
her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand
the role of gravity in relation to time.
I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.Â
Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a
sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees
and ground and sound waves. But thinking of time without space is for me
like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun.
I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience
and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time
itself. Thanks for posting.Â
From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No
Space
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A German physicist said so. Is she right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] More soothing?
Just curious, which one sounds more soothing to youse: standard Swedish spoken in Finland http://arenan.yle.fi/radio/soitin/yle-radio-vega or standard Swedish spoken (sung) in Sweden http://sverigesradio.se/nyheter/ (Click on the loudspeaker)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks L, this is quite clear and I enjoy your sense of humor. Anyway, what about the old restful alertness. You've said what indicates relaxation. Is there an EEG indication for the alert part? Well, standard EEG texts talk about alpha EEG as being associated with wakeful relaxation so its not just the TM organization's terminology. If you are sitting with your eyes closed, you tend to generate at least some alpha automatically. When you close your eyes, naturally you feel some quietness, some silence. Yes? All eyes closed meditation techniques appear to activate the Default Mode Network, which is what scientists are now calling the parts of the brain that become more active when you are turning your attention inward. How this activation works appears to vary from technique to technique. As far as I know, TM is one of the few where alpha EEG isn't eventually replaced with some other frequency. Instead, pure awareness is associated with MORE alpha EEG power and coherence, not less. I also appreciate this that you said in another post: Stress means a lot more in this context than was believed 40 years ago. Yeah, and there's more to be discovered I think. Yoga is the subsidence of mind fluctuations after all, and mind fluctuations are due to the leftover effects of past experience. Mindfulness has its own stress-reducing qualities and scientists are starting to come up with new theories to explain this beyond MMY's old meditation = rest theory. I'm thinking that perhaps activation of the DMN automatically induces stress reduction so all the various meditation techniques are going to have some effect in that direction. TM, being the most relaxing (gamma is associated with concentration and compassion meditation for example, and gamma is NOT a sign of a relaxed brain usually), should prove to have the most stress-reducing effect. Or so my reasoning goes... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Thanks L, this is quite clear and I enjoy your sense of humor. Anyway, what about the old restful alertness. You've said what indicates relaxation. Is there an EEG indication for the alert part? Well, standard EEG texts talk about alpha EEG as being associated with wakeful relaxation so its not just the TM organization's terminology. If you are sitting with your eyes closed, you tend to generate at least some alpha automatically. When you close your eyes, naturally you feel some quietness, some silence. Yes? All eyes closed meditation techniques appear to activate the Default Mode Network, which is what scientists are now calling the parts of the brain that become more active when you are turning your attention inward. How this activation works appears to vary from technique to technique. As far as I know, TM is one of the few where alpha EEG isn't eventually replaced with some other frequency. Instead, pure awareness is associated with MORE alpha EEG power and coherence, not less. That is a large assumption to say, pure awareness equals alpha coherence. When people pull on the skull cap and get measured they are not necessarily in pure awareness at all. Many could say they don't 'transcend' while they meditate as an experience. I watched a long time meditator old movement friend and others get hooked up who said that they don't transcend about their meditating experience. Evidently alpha does not necessarily equal transcendental pure awareness as a strict reductionism. Something else is going on. Like earnestly marketing some signature. oh look there it is! The person is transcended into pure awareness. Not. I also appreciate this that you said in another post: Stress means a lot more in this context than was believed 40 years ago. Yeah, and there's more to be discovered I think. Yoga is the subsidence of mind fluctuations after all, and mind fluctuations are due to the leftover effects of past experience. Mindfulness has its own stress-reducing qualities and scientists are starting to come up with new theories to explain this beyond MMY's old meditation = rest theory. I'm thinking that perhaps activation of the DMN automatically induces stress reduction so all the various meditation techniques are going to have some effect in that direction. TM, being the most relaxing (gamma is associated with concentration and compassion meditation for example, and gamma is NOT a sign of a relaxed brain usually), should prove to have the most stress-reducing effect. Or so my reasoning goes... L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Now, teacher alleges Girish Chandra Varma raped her for 15 years / Victim, Girish Chandra Varma with sexual harassment threatens to commit suicide
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... no_reply@... wrote: Yes her claim is seeming more and more ridiculous and implausible, you are on record here accepting them immediately and at face value though. Srijau, Is this the TM position on this now? To defend the accused publicly by attacking the victim? Is this what you are hearing in the middle of TM as position? Or is this your own (record)? Om, Interesting piece about women in India. http://www.npr.org/2013/03/28/175471907/on-indias-trains-seeking-safety-in-the-women-s-compartment --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this gang-rape case, which is still going on. The movement should go into quick action and fire him, otherwise the movement in India will be dead. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Now, teacher alleges Girish Chandra Varma raped her for 15 years Rageshri Ganguly http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toireporter/author-Rageshri-Ganguly.cms , TNN | Mar 25, 2013, 09.21 PM IST BHOPAL: In a surprising turn of events, a teacher of Maharishi Vidya Mandir (MVM) Ratanpur, who had earlier alleged sexual harassment http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/sexual-harassment against chairman of the group Girish Chandra Varma http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Girish-Chandra-Varma , went to the Mahila Thana http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/thana-electric-supply-co-ltd/stocks/com panyid-12537.cms with her husband on Sunday to file an FIR http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/FIR of repeated rape in the same case. Though the police did not register an FIR, the police station received her written complaint. The victim alleged that the police were under pressure from Varma and she would move court with a private complaint. In the fresh complaint, the teacher alleged that Varma not only repeatedly raped her for 15 years from 1998, but also wanted her to bring students and teachers of MVM http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/MVM to him with bad intention. Also, she had alleged that Varma had threatened her and her husband with dire consequences, including death threats, if they did not comply with his wishes. After coming out of thana, she alleged, the attitude of the investing officer of sexual harassment case changed after she received a call on her mobile phone and she said that the investigation of the previous complaint is still on and hence any action would be taken only after into the case of sexual harassment. IO Seema Patel, on the other hand, remained tight-lipped. _ Victim, Girish Chandra Varma with sexual harassment threatens to commit suicide MUMBAI: The woman complainant who had charged Girish Chandra Varma of Maharshi Group http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Maharshi-Group with sexual harassment and rape has threatened to commit suicide if police failed to register an FIR. The woman had on Sunday approached the police alleging that Varma, chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir (MVM) group, had raped her for 15 years. The couple also demanded that Varma should resign from the post of chairman on moral grounds. The complainant and wife of Rajesh Sharma told media at a press conference here on Monday that the only way left for her and her family was to commit suicide. Unless the police register an FIR under sections of rape against Varma I would commit suicide in front of the chief minister's residence within a week, the complainant said. We would have to take the Geetika Sharma way ( suicide )to convince the world that we are truthful, Sharma told the media. The couple also revealed the circumstances under which the victim was raped repeatedly by Girish Chandra Varma, including the last time on January 1, 2013 in his Audi http://www.zigwheels.com/newcars/Audi car. The couple questioned that when the new rape law is in place, why the FIR was not being registered. In the name of investigation, police are just dilly dallying since March 11. When I have detailed out the circumstances of rape as asked by the police and have named Varma as the accused why an FIR is not being registered in this case?, the complainant alleged. It is also highly objectionable that police are accepting Varma's statement provided to them in a CD rather than interrogating him face-to-face, she said. The victim in her complaint has stated that Varma possessed some objectionable pictures and videos of her taken during the rape, which he had threatened to make public unless she complied with his demands. Since our families knew each other much before my marriage, I tried to sort out the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall back. But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines is he? Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was helping her with her karma. I look forward to a full report in TM News magazine. What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for Girish Varma. He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated with him? http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. Do you think you could ever bring yourself to agree with the people who you have decided you don't like? Talk about closed-minded. Fer chrissakes, don't look at who is writing a post, as an experiment in objectivity, and respond based purely on the content, not on who wrote the damn thing. This drives me CRAZY. You, and others, are so damn predictable. SURPRISE US. Ann, do you actually read what you are responding to? I have the feeling you didn't even read it, nor the post that I was responding to Basically what set me off was this sentence, by Jim: That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) And before that, as a sort of reference point: Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. For me the first sentence is a clear insult, the smiley not withstanding. Or maybe I am missing something out of the American culture, and for you such vulgar demeaning examples are perfectly normal? Also the second sentence I cited is not so much better. I actually share things from my live, and he only uses it as a, sorry, dumb and stupid put down, so please tell me what I should like about it? His post was basically content free and thought free. But you are right in one way: I shouldn't even have responded to such stupidities and insults. I also see that as a flaw, I lost my balance, and neither his nor your post are worth responding to. Quite honestly Ann, I am very busy, so, if you need somebody for your entertainment, basically without having to think much, or look things up, ask somebody else. Judy is coming back soon, so why don't you ask her to entertain you? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: dude, you sound incoherent. I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Did Vipassonthat suddenly become more popular because you didn't like what I said? Or was it the rather rude reminder of B's past behavior that was verbotten? Spell it out, please. What's got 'B' to do with it? I am not B.If you insult people you have to take the shit, and *you* should know to whom you respond to, right? Is this a Judy implant to think that anyone who on occasion agrees with B, is open to serve as a substitute for him? It's easier to have just one target and one enemy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
navashok, I hope you will continue to share your experiences here. I, and I'm sure others too, find them beautiful and uplifting. Whatever they cost. Or even if they were totally free which I think the grace is. Also want to apologize to you and everyone on FFL for my part in the slippery fingers theme. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth snip I have had the most extraordinary and transformative experiences in settings that were completely free, or on donation basis. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall back. But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines is he? Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was helping her with her karma. I look forward to a full report in TM News magazine. What is the TM administration going to do about him? I recommend yagyas. [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for Girish Varma. He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated with him? If it wasn't for the fact that the Indian side of TMO has all the money from the western side, and that it's just plain *embarrassing* that such a large part of TM propaganda is based on the idea of spontaneous coherence creating in the rest of the world, I would have let him go the day after Marshy died when he tried to secede. He aint much of an advert but then it was TM that created him so maybe some karmic chickens are coming home to roost. Not that I believe any of that crap but I've no doubt there is some serious rationalisation going on amongst the TM leadership. I bet they can't believe they've got to deal with this after everything they've been saying over the years. Once again, I'm sure glad I never gave them any money http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This is disheartening sickening. She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop williamgcoop@ wrote: Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of molestation A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi Vidya Mandir in Bhopalhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal has filed a complaint against the chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir group of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and mental torture. Varma has just been granted bail in a firing incident earlier this year at Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came back to Bhopal couple of days ago. The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's Commission (SWC) alleging that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who also worked with the group, would lose their jobs if she failed to cooperate with him. The woman said that the accused used to insist her husband take her along on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a five star hotel was booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her husband away on errands and then molest her. She did not say anything earlier fearing social ostracism but when it became too much to take, she told her husband and decided to file a complaint. There have been counter allegations that the husband had been trying to extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house with claims that he sent various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and maligned Varma's image on social networking sites. http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint
[FairfieldLife] This is my idea of karma, or justice, or close to it...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
I did not insult anyone. You are the one full of it - go get your head straight. This is ridiculous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: dude, you sound incoherent. I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Did Vipassonthat suddenly become more popular because you didn't like what I said? Or was it the rather rude reminder of B's past behavior that was verbotten? Spell it out, please. What's got 'B' to do with it? I am not B.If you insult people you have to take the shit, and *you* should know to whom you respond to, right? Is this a Judy implant to think that anyone who on occasion agrees with B, is open to serve as a substitute for him? It's easier to have just one target and one enemy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many schools, universities, hospitals, commun- ity centers and major corporations. As far as I know, neither of these organizations has assets in the billions of dollars. Just sayin'...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall back. But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines is he? Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was helping her with her karma. I look forward to a full report in TM News magazine. What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for Girish Varma. He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated with him? http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saraswati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down. At the very least, there will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are lessons to be learned. It could be that TM-USA will separate from India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of education.. Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the scientific research part. Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
I went back and read your response to Ann, and now I get it, navashok. Jumping into the middle of something while making assumptions about me is a great way to get upset over nothing. You missed my earlier reference. Barry said that Ann had a stick up her butt. I asked him if he was jealous of this imagined stick, as he had, in the past, commented about a picture of himself standing next to a petite Asian woman, and Barry remarked at the time that he had his finger *up her butt*. He hasn't replied, so I thought I'd remind him. Get it now? Please let me know, if you do not, and I will do my best to further clarify, though it is getting downright clinical in here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I did not insult anyone. You are the one full of it - go get your head straight. This is ridiculous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: dude, you sound incoherent. I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Did Vipassonthat suddenly become more popular because you didn't like what I said? Or was it the rather rude reminder of B's past behavior that was verbotten? Spell it out, please. What's got 'B' to do with it? I am not B.If you insult people you have to take the shit, and *you* should know to whom you respond to, right? Is this a Judy implant to think that anyone who on occasion agrees with B, is open to serve as a substitute for him? It's easier to have just one target and one enemy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250 per student. I wonder if this is a matching funds project, or if this is a new pricing structure for the DLF... It seems to me that $250 per student is a reasonable cost for TM instruction by anyone's standards. While I agree that this is a good sign, and FAR more reasonable a cost for learning to meditate, TM-style, I think your phrase by anyone's standards reflects a lack of research on what other types of meditation cost to learn. For example, the results of 30 seconds of Googling: Vipassana Mediation: How much does the course cost? Each student who attends a Vipassana course is given this gift by a previous student. There is no charge for either the teaching, or for room and board. All Vipassana courses worldwide are run on a strictly voluntary donation basis. At the end of your course, if you have benefited from the experience, you are welcome to donate for the coming course, according to your volition and your means. Sahaja Yoga Meditation: Whether in the public, community, or business sectors, Sahaja Yoga Meditation is available without charge to the general public and to many
[FairfieldLife] Turin Shroud could be from Christ's lifetime:
Turin Shroud could be from Christ's lifetime: Infrared tests show ancient cloth may NOT be a medieval fake after all * Infra red tests dated the cloth to some time between 300BC and 400AD * The shroud will appear in a live TV broadcast on Saturday By Fiona Macrae http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=authornamef=Fiona+Macrae\ PUBLISHED:13:54 GMT, 28 March 2013| UPDATED:01:25 GMT, 29 March 2013 * Comments (471) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2300503/Turin-Shroud-med\ ieval-fake-dates-Christs-lifetime-say-scientists.html#comments * Share http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2300503/Turin-Shroud-med\ ieval-fake-dates-Christs-lifetime-say-scientists.html#socialLinks * * * * Some venerate it as the burial cloth of Christ. To others, the Turin Shroud is nothing more than a medieval hoax. Now, science has come down on the side of the believers. Researchers have dated a sample of the 14ft linen sheet to anything between 300BC to 400AD. [Separated at birth: Split screen showing the likeness between the Turin Shroud and a portrait by Leonardo da Vinci] Separated at birth: Split screen showing the likeness between the Turin Shroud and a portrait by Leonardo da Vinci They used forensic tests to compare fibres from the shroud with a range of ancient fabric samples. And they discovered that the material could have been made in Jesus's lifetime. Their results contradict a landmark 1988 study, spearheaded by the British Museum, which used carbon dating to examine the cloth. It said the shroud, which has an imprint of a bearded man with wounds consistent to being nailed to a cross, was actually made in the Middle Ages more than 1,000 years after the Crucifixion. But scientists at Padua University believe the original results could have been skewed by centuries of water and fire damage. More... * The Turin Shroud DOES have miraculous powers... whether it is genuine or not http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077341/The-Turin-shroud-DOES-m\ iraculous-powers--Whether-genuine-not.html * Shroud of Turin is a fake created by famous master Giotto, claims Italian art expert http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2000406/Shroud-Turin-fake-creat\ ed-famous-master-Giotto-claims-Italian-art-expert.html * The Turin Shroud is a fake and it's one of 40: Historian claims linen cloths were produced 1,300 years after crucifixion http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157217/The-Turin-Shroud-fake-E\ minent-historian-claims-40-similar-cloths-originated-1-300-years-AFTER-c\ rucifixion.html The shroud, which is one of Catholicism's most controversial relics, was once described by Pope John Paul II as `an icon of suffering in every age'. The findings are in a new book called Il Mistero della Sindone (The Mystery of the Shroud) which is published on Good Friday. The authors, Professor Giulio Fanti, an expert in mechanical and thermal measurement at the University of Padua's Engineering Faculty and journalist Saverio Gaeta, examined fibres from the Shroud and compared them to samples of cloth dating back to between 3000BC and up to the modern era to contrast them and see if it is a Medieval forgery. [Turin Shroud Face] [Turin Shroud Face] Has Turin Shroud mystery been solved? 14ft-long linen cloth, pictured above left in 1934, bears the faint image of the front and back of a tall, long-haired, bearded man and appears to be stained by blood from wounds in his feet, wrists and sides that match those suffered by Christ at his Crucifixion Key to the findings are three new tests, two chemical ones and one mechanical, the first two were carried out using infra-red light, and the other using Raman spectroscopy - which measures radiation through wavelengths and is commonly used in forensic science. The results dated the fibres from the cloth to a period between 300BC to 400AD, which covers the years of Christ's life. Debate has raged whether the image is that of Christ or a fake from the Middle Ages. But what is certain is that experts have never really been able to explain how the image was made. Carbon 14 tests were conducted on the cloth in 1988 and these findings suggested it dated from between 1260 and 1390. However, some scientists have since claimed that contamination over the ages from water damage and fire, were not taken sufficiently into account and could have distorted the results. Since then, there have been several requests for fresh tests but Church chiefs have always refused - and this is why Professor Fanti and his team had to rely on fibres that were used in the 1988 tests. Before he retired last month pope Emeritus Benedict XVI gave permission for the Shroud to go on display as a 'last gift' to the millions of Catholics before he retired from public office. Thirteen years ago when he was plain cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Benedict wrote that the shroud was a `truly mysterious image, which no human artistry was
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, I've thought the same way and I like your phrase the potential for sound. For the sake of discussion, I'd like to step even further back and ask, If a tree is *in* a forest, and there's nobody there to see or experience it, does it really exist? I'm finding this line of reasoning helps to clarify my understanding of consciousness as the *potential* for existence, and that different parts of creation, through the tools that each has, interpret this potential in many different ways, hence the vast diversity of creation: a human turns the potential (is not relative) sound vibrations into a sound (now relative) through the tools of our ears. And if enlightenment is nothing more than the realization of the potential for all existence along with existence itself, then the question becomes, for me at least, for what reason?  But thinking of time without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun. I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time itself. Thanks for posting. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  A German physicist said so. Is she right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Holi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Thank you! I read this to my wife, and we both began laughing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: When the elephant decides to walk through the village, all the dogs come out and bark. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi With the coming of Sai Baba, Maharishi and other Masters, all we've heard are the puppies whining. Soon, when Maitreya will proclaim his open mission in the world, the real dogs will start to make themselves heard. That will be quite a show for sure :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. Thanks John but I still have to argue that sound is produced by waves of moving air. It doesn't become a sound until it comes into contact with just the right element or physical entity. If sound waves were produced and only hit inanimate matter, matter without a means to transform that wave into what we recognize and define as sound, then it is just the potential for sound. It is not realized until it comes into contact with just the right thing (an ear). It is kind of like a cheese sandwich sitting on a plate. Until someone picks it up and puts it in their mouth it has no taste. It has the potential for taste but until it hits some taste buds it is just an object sitting on a plate. Simple explanation of sound I found: Sounds are an invisible form of energy. You can't see sound and you can't see air--but you know it's there. That's because sound is air molecules pushing into one another. When someone or something makes a sound, the air molecules around it vibrate, or move back and forth, and they push into the molecules in front of them. This starts a chain reaction. Imagine if you drop a rock into a pond. The water ripples outward around the rock because the rock is pushing the water around it. That's what sound is. In fact, sound is a kind of wave--similar to the waves in the ocean. Sound waves travel through the air by vibrating, or moving, the particles of matter in the air. If there were no particles in the air, there would be no sound made. In outer space, there are no particles in the air. In fact, there is no air in outer space. This means that there can be no sound in outer space. Sound is created when the following criteria are satisfied. 1.An object vibrates. 2.The object must be in contact with the air. 3.The air must be in contact with the listener. 4.The air contact between the source and listener must be continuous, without a vacuum gap. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? Very good question and one that seems germane at the moment, given the discussion with Curtis (well, maybe not a discussion, he was clearly a little grumpy about me not finding Jesus being euthanized instead of hung on a cross joke funny) about different audiences. I think smiley faces are compensations for the fact you can't show someone how you feel by a tone of voice or facial expression. They are either used to communicate the fact that what one just wrote was without malice or they are used (as in Barry's case) all the time so I don't know what they mean. And as we know, you can throw something out there you think is funny but God only knows what the other guy thinks about it so then we can get into a large subject of what is humour; is there an absolute or pure form that means everyone will find something/it funny or is it completely relative like art or virtually everything else we perceive as individuals on the planet? But back to that smiley face. I don't trust those. I think they are devious little devils which pop up under all kinds of situations and masquerade as friendly. In fact, I would go so far as to say the civilization and culture as we know it today is being undermined and destroyed by the colon and left-facing parantheses signs juxtaposed in the way that they are ( oh, that and the word awesome). Beware these two forces in our midst - they will be our undoing. From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.àBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.àAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.àKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.àTo that I say yes.àBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. Do you think you could ever bring yourself to agree with the people who you have decided you don't like? Talk about closed-minded. Fer chrissakes, don't look at who is writing a post, as an experiment in objectivity, and respond based purely on the content, not on who wrote the damn thing. This drives me CRAZY. You, and others, are so damn predictable. SURPRISE US. Ann, do you actually read what you are responding to? I have the feeling you didn't even read it, nor the post that I was responding to Well, move past your feeling and use your eyes and brain and then figure it out. Basically what set me off was this sentence, by Jim: That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) And before that, as a sort of reference point: Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. For me the first sentence is a clear insult, the smiley not withstanding. Or maybe I am missing something out of the American culture, and for you such vulgar demeaning examples are perfectly normal? Well, it was before my time (thankfully) but it appears the Doc was referring to something Barry actually posted a while back about having his digit inserted into the rectum of some woman he was standing next to in some photograph. Now who is being vulgar and demeaning? (Maybe you don't read the posts you are responding to.) Also the second sentence I cited is not so much better. I actually share things from my live, and he only uses it as a, sorry, dumb and stupid put down, so please tell me what I should like about it? Where do I say you should like it. I said I don't see you objective in your responses because you look at who wrote them, already know you don't like them, that they fall into the enemy group (just the way Barry does) and your response to the content of the post reflects this. Read the post of mine again because you got it wrong. His post was basically content free and thought free. But you are right in one way: I shouldn't even have responded to such stupidities and insults. I didn't say that either. I also see that as a flaw, I lost my balance, and neither his nor your post are worth responding to. You are so funny when you say that, because you ARE responding. It is exactly like saying, Not to mention... and then the person goes on to mention what they shouldn't mention. Quite honestly Ann, I am very busy, so, if you need somebody for your entertainment, basically without having to think much, or look things up, ask somebody else. Judy is coming back soon, so why don't you ask her to entertain you? Talk about rude. Move past the type of posting style you are belittling here and read the post you wrote to me and to Jim and then see it, if you can, for the insult-laden, content-free blather that it is. It isn't that you can't write about interesting things it is just that you are so reactive and rude to those you have decided are not on your side that your posts just scream,I am acting like a child because I can't help myself. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide
noozguru, how were they blocked? You know I just had a thought that horrifies me: maybe if the Chinese take over in person, maybe they'll throw out Monsanto, etc. There's a meeting in FF soon with Jeffrey Smith about how to shop for non GMO food in the local stores. Nonetheless I see farming or at least gardening in my future. Do you happen to remember a Nick Nolte Julia Roberts 1994 movie called I Love Trouble? Not great cinema but it was all about GMO milk. Even back then, people knew! I can't believe how dumb Monsanto is. The whole thing makes me want to sign up for that rocket ship to Mars. But being in Mars mahadasa it might not be advisable (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide Money, money, money, money. The world is about money. Forget enlightenment, get rich instead. Worse yet there was a recount in to areas of the California GMO labeling proposition. Recount showed more in favor than the original count. But when they went to do a recount in a farm area of the state guess what? They were blocked. Big agra did NOT want to see a recount. And probably that proposition actually won instead of losing. The new business model is to be a crook (though some would argue that has always been big business's model). On 03/28/2013 06:22 PM, Share Long wrote: why why why? What hold does Monsanto have over these people? The whole thing baffles me. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide On 03/28/2013 01:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/16674-focus-monsanto-and-the-seeds-of-suicide Obama signed HR 993 which has a rider protecting Monsanto. Obama has now proved to be an enemy of the people. He's frequently called Bush III. http://gmoinside.org/president-obama-were-not-going-away/
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.àBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.àAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.àKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.àTo that I say yes.àBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
Yes, more to be discovered and I enjoy your reasoning. About turning the attention inward: once a TM teacher who had spent a lot of time in Seelisburg, said that there comes a point where there is no longer an inward stroke and an outward stroke. So maybe more alpha coherence and strength even during activity? Restful alertness can be quite present even in activity as the years go by. It is a unique experience and I wouldn't mind seeing an EEG reading or 2 on that! From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks L, this is quite clear and I enjoy your sense of humor. Anyway, what about the old restful alertness. You've said what indicates relaxation. Is there an EEG indication for the alert part? Well, standard EEG texts talk about alpha EEG as being associated with wakeful relaxation so its not just the TM organization's terminology. If you are sitting with your eyes closed, you tend to generate at least some alpha automatically. When you close your eyes, naturally you feel some quietness, some silence. Yes? All eyes closed meditation techniques appear to activate the Default Mode Network, which is what scientists are now calling the parts of the brain that become more active when you are turning your attention inward. How this activation works appears to vary from technique to technique. As far as I know, TM is one of the few where alpha EEG isn't eventually replaced with some other frequency. Instead, pure awareness is associated with MORE alpha EEG power and coherence, not less. I also appreciate this that you said in another post: Stress means a lot more in this context than was believed 40 years ago. Yeah, and there's more to be discovered I think. Yoga is the subsidence of mind fluctuations after all, and mind fluctuations are due to the leftover effects of past experience. Mindfulness has its own stress-reducing qualities and scientists are starting to come up with new theories to explain this beyond MMY's old meditation = rest theory. I'm thinking that perhaps activation of the DMN automatically induces stress reduction so all the various meditation techniques are going to have some effect in that direction. TM, being the most relaxing (gamma is associated with concentration and compassion meditation for example, and gamma is NOT a sign of a relaxed brain usually), should prove to have the most stress-reducing effect. Or so my reasoning goes... L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote:
Well, I think according to the naasadiiya-suukta of Rgveda (X 129,
Hymn of Creation) there was time before the Big Bang:
naasadaasiinnosadaasiit tadaaniim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofdJ5sZIVbI
(na asat aasiit na u sat aasiit tadaaniim)
There was (aasiit) not (na) the non-existent (a-sat)
nor (no na u) the existent (sat) *then* (tadaaniim).
tadAnIm ind. (Pa1n2. 5-3 , 19) at that time , then (cf. %{id-}) RV. x ,
129 ,
Card,
The video clip you provided showed time was created after space was created. :)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote:
Share,
The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's
asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big
Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of
God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there
a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such
statements?
JR
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to
learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also
her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me
understand the role of gravity in relation to time.
I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its
passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people,
does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical
properties of trees and ground and sound waves. But thinking of time
without space is for me like contemplating a zen koan. Very fun.
I was fascinated that she ended the talk with a reference to neuroscience
and how progress in that field may hold the key to our understanding time
itself. Thanks for posting.Â
From: John jr_esq@
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 10:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No
Space
Â
A German physicist said so. Is she right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACS1_5jyvHE
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Share, I want to say that although I don't understand most of what you say, I do really enjoy your poetry. Have a lovely day. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this. Being a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage. Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound. To that I say yes. Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Holi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thank you! I read this to my wife, and we both began laughing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: When the elephant decides to walk through the village, all the dogs come out and bark. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi With the coming of Sai Baba, Maharishi and other Masters, all we've heard are the puppies whining. Soon, when Maitreya will proclaim his open mission in the world, the real dogs will start to make themselves heard. That will be quite a show for sure :-) Not a problem. I have it on good authority that when this happens, Santa Claus has agreed to zoom overhead and have his flying reindeer poop on all the dogs. If it happens over this coming weekend, I'm pretty sure the Easter Bunny will help out, too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: the rocks are listening to everything we say as we amble through the forum forest and into Gaia they tap their SOS Share, I can hear poetry and humor ringing in my ears. Maybe the rocks will too. :) From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this.àAnd I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound.àThis makes sense.àThen I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear?àAnd I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John.àBut isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved?àAnd are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Share, Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree. As such, a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or humanoids. And, the laws of physics are preserved. However, that sound will be perceived differently by a rock and a human. JR Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions.àAnyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above.àHere's another question:àin the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc.àhas humor occurred? From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.ÃâàBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.ÃâàAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.ÃâàKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.ÃâàTo that I say yes.ÃâàBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in the exoplanet. JR
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Holi
On 03/29/2013 08:46 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Thank you! I read this to my wife, and we both began laughing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ no_reply@ wrote: When the elephant decides to walk through the village, all the dogs come out and bark. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi With the coming of Sai Baba, Maharishi and other Masters, all we've heard are the puppies whining. Soon, when Maitreya will proclaim his open mission in the world, the real dogs will start to make themselves heard. That will be quite a show for sure :-) Not a problem. I have it on good authority that when this happens, Santa Claus has agreed to zoom overhead and have his flying reindeer poop on all the dogs. If it happens over this coming weekend, I'm pretty sure the Easter Bunny will help out, too. In the meantime break out the colored powders and start tossing them on people as they do in India for this holiday. Of course in France and the US you might wind up in jail for doing this. I'm sure DHS would frown on it. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide
The BRAD Blog: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9848 The Fresno recount was priced ridiculously where the cost of recounts in other California counties were reasonable. Democracy is only for the rich. We vastly outnumber the rich about 1000 to 1. We need to take over and take their toys from them. Spoiled brats! On 03/29/2013 08:20 AM, Share Long wrote: noozguru, how were they blocked? You know I just had a thought that horrifies me: maybe if the Chinese take over in person, maybe they'll throw out Monsanto, etc. There's a meeting in FF soon with Jeffrey Smith about how to shop for non GMO food in the local stores. Nonetheless I see farming or at least gardening in my future. Do you happen to remember a Nick Nolte Julia Roberts 1994 movie called I Love Trouble? Not great cinema but it was all about GMO milk. Even back then, people knew! I can't believe how dumb Monsanto is. The whole thing makes me want to sign up for that rocket ship to Mars. But being in Mars mahadasa it might not be advisable (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide Money, money, money, money. The world is about money. Forget enlightenment, get rich instead. Worse yet there was a recount in to areas of the California GMO labeling proposition. Recount showed more in favor than the original count. But when they went to do a recount in a farm area of the state guess what? They were blocked. Big agra did NOT want to see a recount. And probably that proposition actually won instead of losing. The new business model is to be a crook (though some would argue that has always been big business's model). On 03/28/2013 06:22 PM, Share Long wrote: why why why? What hold does Monsanto have over these people? The whole thing baffles me. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Monsanto and the Seeds of Suicide On 03/28/2013 01:29 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/16674-focus-monsanto-and-the-seeds-of-suicide Obama signed HR 993 which has a rider protecting Monsanto. Obama has now proved to be an enemy of the people. He's frequently called Bush III. http://gmoinside.org/president-obama-were-not-going-away/
[FairfieldLife] Some Varieties Of Meditative Experience
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5432713 (See comments)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Some Varieties Of Meditative Experience
Bollocks! Or bullocks, if one prefers. I am in a constant meditative state ha ha. PS I LOVE your koans about sets and Zenn diagrams. Prolly what got me in the above mentioned snafu in the first place (-: Ann, I agree that smiley faces are causing the downfall of civilization as we know it. But let's not blame colons just yet. I still need mine. And yes, Doc, this is me veering into the clinical once again. Emily, thank you, I don't understand me often either. So we're even. Happy Easter! From: PaliGap compost...@yahoo.co.uk To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Some Varieties Of Meditative Experience https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5432713 (See comments)
[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space
Awesome! :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing about all this. And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that situation (-: John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to be a sound. This makes sense. Then I wondered: well what about animals and what about human who cannot hear? And I like how you extend this avenue of thought even farther, John. But isn't it true that we can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved? And are you saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver? Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions. Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now. Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above. Here's another question: in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc. has humor occurred? Very good question and one that seems germane at the moment, given the discussion with Curtis (well, maybe not a discussion, he was clearly a little grumpy about me not finding Jesus being euthanized instead of hung on a cross joke funny) about different audiences. I think smiley faces are compensations for the fact you can't show someone how you feel by a tone of voice or facial expression. They are either used to communicate the fact that what one just wrote was without malice or they are used (as in Barry's case) all the time so I don't know what they mean. And as we know, you can throw something out there you think is funny but God only knows what the other guy thinks about it so then we can get into a large subject of what is humour; is there an absolute or pure form that means everyone will find something/it funny or is it completely relative like art or virtually everything else we perceive as individuals on the planet? But back to that smiley face. I don't trust those. I think they are devious little devils which pop up under all kinds of situations and masquerade as friendly. In fact, I would go so far as to say the civilization and culture as we know it today is being undermined and destroyed by the colon and left-facing parantheses signs juxtaposed in the way that they are ( oh, that and the word awesome). Beware these two forces in our midst - they will be our undoing. From: John jr_esq@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Share, The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it. She's asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the Big Bang. I can see the following questions coming up: Is Time the essence of God or vice-versa? Is there time in heaven or the unified field? Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time? What proof does she have to make such statements? JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: hey John I very much enjoyed this.àBeing a word person, was amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently.àAlso her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation to time. I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its passage.àKind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, does it make a sound.àTo that I say yes.àBecause of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves. Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the ear drum produce something we call sound I would have to say that if there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that mean there is an echo in here?) Ann, If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, would it make a sound? IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, even in a piece of rock. Also, the laws of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
This discovery of the Default Mode Network is interesting stuff. Sort of a consciousness equivalent to the autonomous nervous system. Maharishi used to talk about identification, how we get lost in the flower in front of us. Aside from a natural mini-rapture at the sight of a flower, he seemed to be saying that when stressed, the awareness disengages from the DMN, when engaged outwardly, aka, the lights are on, but nobody is home. The solution appears to be having conscious access to the DMN, regardless, or possibly a matter of healing the DMN so that it informs us constantly, fully integrated either way. Theoretically, once the DMN is fully functioning, it serves the same purpose that instinct does in lower animals, allowing for a more graceful, less troublesome existence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Thanks L, this is quite clear and I enjoy your sense of humor. Anyway, what about the old restful alertness. You've said what indicates relaxation. Is there an EEG indication for the alert part? Well, standard EEG texts talk about alpha EEG as being associated with wakeful relaxation so its not just the TM organization's terminology. If you are sitting with your eyes closed, you tend to generate at least some alpha automatically. When you close your eyes, naturally you feel some quietness, some silence. Yes? All eyes closed meditation techniques appear to activate the Default Mode Network, which is what scientists are now calling the parts of the brain that become more active when you are turning your attention inward. How this activation works appears to vary from technique to technique. As far as I know, TM is one of the few where alpha EEG isn't eventually replaced with some other frequency. Instead, pure awareness is associated with MORE alpha EEG power and coherence, not less. I also appreciate this that you said in another post: Stress means a lot more in this context than was believed 40 years ago. Yeah, and there's more to be discovered I think. Yoga is the subsidence of mind fluctuations after all, and mind fluctuations are due to the leftover effects of past experience. Mindfulness has its own stress-reducing qualities and scientists are starting to come up with new theories to explain this beyond MMY's old meditation = rest theory. I'm thinking that perhaps activation of the DMN automatically induces stress reduction so all the various meditation techniques are going to have some effect in that direction. TM, being the most relaxing (gamma is associated with concentration and compassion meditation for example, and gamma is NOT a sign of a relaxed brain usually), should prove to have the most stress-reducing effect. Or so my reasoning goes... L
[FairfieldLife] La Mer [Was Majorca Spain]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (snip) I could indeed. What I'd really like to do is to take a cruise on a freighter (container ship). Many such ships these days have a cabin or two for folks who want a quiet, relaxed ocean voyage but can't stand the idea of one of those monster cruise ships. You're one of only a handful of passengers, and you get treated like royalty, eat in the officers' mess, have the run of the ship, get friendly with the crew, stop at non-touristy ports of call. No frills, but supposedly very comfortable accommodations. A decade or so ago a friend of my Mum's went on such a trip and had a fabulous time. She is the town's ex-vicar's ex- wife. Following her divorce she discovered a love for the sea and for many years sailed a 26' yacht around the English South West coast (where the Spanish Armada began to get unstuck) and around the Med. Now, that's what I'd *really* like to do. Sadly, a 26-foot yacht ain't in the budget. Motor or sail? Sail. Her boat Kate was I think a Westerly Centaur 26. Such as this: http://goo.gl/F4BJJ They were sturdy boats built in the seventies. Many are still seeing action and trading hands for not such big bucks. For an inanimate object, Joan had a pretty profound relationship with Kate. I believe failing health finally forced her to sell up in the end; but that was just a few years ago in her eighties. I'm sure she was gutted. Memories of Kate... On one occasion Joan took Kate out for a day trip from her home port of Salcombe with a few friends (including my mother). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salcombe. Unfortunately a thick sea fog descended just as they were heading back. In those days no one had GPS - you had to plot your course on a chart and use dead reckoning. Everyone had the utmost confidence in Joan, who was both highly experienced and proficient in navigation. But even so they all got a bit of shock when the fog lifted slightly and revealed that they had just inched through an extremely narrow gap between a large rock and the headland. You can just make it out here: http://goo.gl/tXU4q In my student days I would return to Salcombe to work in the local hotels and sail (dinghies). One day the call came from Joan - would I like to join her for a three day trip around the coast to Teignmouth? As per usual she had a couple of English language students staying for the summer. One was a Dutch guy, whose name escapes me. The other was a French girl, Sylvie, whom I remember somewhat better (funny that). Both would be on the voyage, but neither had had any sailing experience. How flattering to think I may have been called up for my expertise! So I accepted without a seond thought. We set off in the evening to 'catch the tide'. And as I recall it was a beautiful, calm night with a full moon as we crossed the Salcombe bar and headed out to sea. The bar here is not the kind that Sinatra sang about in One For My Baby; it's a sand spit lurking close to the surface at the harbour entrance where waves can break at low tide (and turn very ugly in a strong southerly). If my mind had been on higher things, instead of trying to impress Sylvie, some words of Tennyson might have come to mind - a poem inspired by the Salcombe bar, at least if we are to believe the local tourist office: Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea, But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home. Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness or farewell, When I embark; For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar. Maybe the climax of our little voyage was less sublime, but our spirits were restored just the same by some fish and chips and an overnight stop in Teignmouth. Coming back the weather turned against us. It was chilly and grey with a bit of rain. The wind had freshened a bit, and was now against us, meaning that we had to tack back (perform a series of zig-zags) with the sails sheeted in as hard as possible to get Kate to sail as close to the wind as she could. All went well until it came to getting around the final headland - Start Point: http://goo.gl/VJMbh Of those on board, only Joan knew that it was going to get a bit fearsome as we stood out to sea the necessary few miles in order to make our final turn for home. This is because with the outgoing tide, all the water in The English Channel piles up at Start Point in order to escape to the Atlantic creating a tidal race. With wind against tide you can get a
[FairfieldLife] Re: La Mer [Was Majorca Spain]
Nowadays I sail a boat not unlike Kate: http://goo.gl/wXSsi - just many, many notches down on the derring-do scale. A few hours sailing around the bay or nosing around the creeks, find a nice spot to anchor and watch the sun set with a GT. Bliss. Beautiful craft!! Good for you. GT at sunset *does* sound like Bliss. - I love the water. Am more the passenger than sailor now. Had a sailfish beached at Repulse Bay, HK, early 70's, and downsized to a boogie board. Still have an inflatable canoe in the garage somewhere. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: (snip) I could indeed. What I'd really like to do is to take a cruise on a freighter (container ship). Many such ships these days have a cabin or two for folks who want a quiet, relaxed ocean voyage but can't stand the idea of one of those monster cruise ships. You're one of only a handful of passengers, and you get treated like royalty, eat in the officers' mess, have the run of the ship, get friendly with the crew, stop at non-touristy ports of call. No frills, but supposedly very comfortable accommodations. A decade or so ago a friend of my Mum's went on such a trip and had a fabulous time. She is the town's ex-vicar's ex- wife. Following her divorce she discovered a love for the sea and for many years sailed a 26' yacht around the English South West coast (where the Spanish Armada began to get unstuck) and around the Med. Now, that's what I'd *really* like to do. Sadly, a 26-foot yacht ain't in the budget. Motor or sail? Sail. Her boat Kate was I think a Westerly Centaur 26. Such as this: http://goo.gl/F4BJJ They were sturdy boats built in the seventies. Many are still seeing action and trading hands for not such big bucks. For an inanimate object, Joan had a pretty profound relationship with Kate. I believe failing health finally forced her to sell up in the end; but that was just a few years ago in her eighties. I'm sure she was gutted. Memories of Kate... On one occasion Joan took Kate out for a day trip from her home port of Salcombe with a few friends (including my mother). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salcombe. Unfortunately a thick sea fog descended just as they were heading back. In those days no one had GPS - you had to plot your course on a chart and use dead reckoning. Everyone had the utmost confidence in Joan, who was both highly experienced and proficient in navigation. But even so they all got a bit of shock when the fog lifted slightly and revealed that they had just inched through an extremely narrow gap between a large rock and the headland. You can just make it out here: http://goo.gl/tXU4q In my student days I would return to Salcombe to work in the local hotels and sail (dinghies). One day the call came from Joan - would I like to join her for a three day trip around the coast to Teignmouth? As per usual she had a couple of English language students staying for the summer. One was a Dutch guy, whose name escapes me. The other was a French girl, Sylvie, whom I remember somewhat better (funny that). Both would be on the voyage, but neither had had any sailing experience. How flattering to think I may have been called up for my expertise! So I accepted without a seond thought. We set off in the evening to 'catch the tide'. And as I recall it was a beautiful, calm night with a full moon as we crossed the Salcombe bar and headed out to sea. The bar here is not the kind that Sinatra sang about in One For My Baby; it's a sand spit lurking close to the surface at the harbour entrance where waves can break at low tide (and turn very ugly in a strong southerly). If my mind had been on higher things, instead of trying to impress Sylvie, some words of Tennyson might have come to mind - a poem inspired by the Salcombe bar, at least if we are to believe the local tourist office: Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea, But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home. Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness or farewell, When I embark; For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar. Maybe the climax of our little voyage was less sublime, but our spirits were restored just the same by some fish and chips and an overnight stop in Teignmouth. Coming back the weather turned against us. It was chilly and grey with a bit of
[FairfieldLife] Re: La Mer [Was Majorca Spain]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: - I love the water. Am more the passenger than sailor now. Had a sailfish beached at Repulse Bay, HK, early 70's, and downsized to a boogie board. Is that an Alcort Sailfish? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_(sailboat) That looks very similar to the first boat I had and learned to sail in, a Sea Bat like this: http://homepages.which.net/~rosgo/sailing/seabat.jpg That was about 1971, which is also the year I learned TM (lives running on parallel tracks and all that?). I got her for £70 by mail order ($106). I imagine your missus would have some good sailing yarns?
[FairfieldLife] Re: La Mer [Was Majorca Spain]
I don't remember the manufacturer, but yes, looks identical - 12 or 14' length (?), fiberglass, single sail, about double width of a surfboard, with a sight depression in it. The only issue I had was capsizing in shallow water and bending the aluminum mast, and cracking the wooden housing for the rudder, when I'd take it out in typhoon weather (7-8 on Beaufort scale). Very handy when the Bay was full of jellyfish, and sometimes a few sharks. Used to enjoy an offshore breeze. Tie up the tiller, and the sail at about 30 degrees off the coast, and lie on my stomach, cruising straight out to Bear Island. Yes, my wife has amazing stories of her adventures sailing around the world. Now that we are on a fixed income, I am hoping she publishes the book - lol. What has served as an enduring coincidence in our lives together, she went to the island of Java (where I lived for 4.5 years, as a child - 4.5 to 9 yrs. old), and visited the 9th century Buddhist temple, Borobudur, near Jogjakarta. I too, went there while living in Djakarta, touching the heel of the Buddha. She purchased a batik at the time, of the monument, which is now framed in our living room. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: - I love the water. Am more the passenger than sailor now. Had a sailfish beached at Repulse Bay, HK, early 70's, and downsized to a boogie board. Is that an Alcort Sailfish? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_(sailboat) That looks very similar to the first boat I had and learned to sail in, a Sea Bat like this: http://homepages.which.net/~rosgo/sailing/seabat.jpg That was about 1971, which is also the year I learned TM (lives running on parallel tracks and all that?). I got her for £70 by mail order ($106). I imagine your missus would have some good sailing yarns?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: I went back and read your response to Ann, and now I get it, navashok. Okay, so I understand. My reaction was to this sentence, and I didn't know it was a reference to something else. I had attributed it to something I said about my experience with other techniques, which I had shared here before. Because of the sentence that came before it. So it was actually a mis-attribution. Sorry for that. If I had known this, I had not reacted in this way. OTOH, I do not follow everything that goes on between you and Barry. I'm also quite busy, so I don't read everything. I had actually sent a post before, that was more to the points you were making. So, to conclude my point: I think there are free things, free spiritual endeavors that work very well, that they come at no cost does not say anything about their quality or lack thereof; in fact I am involved in such an endeavor for many years. Actively and passive. That does not mean that anything like commitment, purpose and practice does not play a role. Of course it does. So one 'gives' oneself to something. But that cannot be substituted by money. There are many such endeavors, some more known, some less known, but the less known are not less valuable. Jumping into the middle of something while making assumptions about me is a great way to get upset over nothing. You missed my earlier reference. Barry said that Ann had a stick up her butt. I asked him if he was jealous of this imagined stick, as he had, in the past, commented about a picture of himself standing next to a petite Asian woman, and Barry remarked at the time that he had his finger *up her butt*. He hasn't replied, so I thought I'd remind him. Get it now? Please let me know, if you do not, and I will do my best to further clarify, though it is getting downright clinical in here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I did not insult anyone. You are the one full of it - go get your head straight. This is ridiculous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: dude, you sound incoherent. I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Did Vipassonthat suddenly become more popular because you didn't like what I said? Or was it the rather rude reminder of B's past behavior that was verbotten? Spell it out, please. What's got 'B' to do with it? I am not B.If you insult people you have to take the shit, and *you* should know to whom you respond to, right? Is this a Judy implant to think that anyone who on occasion agrees with B, is open to serve as a substitute for him? It's easier to have just one target and one enemy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-40-formerly-incarcerated-youth/ 40 at a cost of $10,000 = $250 per student. 2 other projects: http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-25-domestic-abuse-survivors/ 25 at a cost of $6,250 = $250 per student. http://www.giveforyouth.org/microprojects/teach-meditation-to-18-former-child-prostitutes/ 18 at a cost of $4,500 = $250
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proof of Heaven - has anyone actually read this book?
God, you guys do make me laugh. Even when I've read the post a few times already! noozguru I also loved the story about the probation officer supplying the teen's first birthday cake. Very sweet. salyavin, as for we denizens of FFL being destined to spend all of eternity together...can we fix that posting limit first? Mr. Nabby, I believe turq's explanation about Lenz' suicide. You'll have to ask him yourself about the dog collar. I'm understanding it as unfathomable karma (-: From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proof of Heaven - has anyone actually read this book? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/26/2013 02:04 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: I just finished this book. It is quite accessible to a laywoman such as myself and is quite fascinating from many perspectives. I have not read the book, and in fact have no interest whatsoever in reading or hearing about people's NDE experiences; I'll find out what, if anything, happens after death soon enough, when I have a DE. The only reason I'm writing is to comment on your use of the word laywoman. I understand the usage, but am just pointing out that you might reconsider the term because the last time I heard it, it was being used by an Amsterdam prostitute to describe what she did for a living. :-) Should anyone be so humor-impaired as to no longer be able to recognize one, this was a joke. As for NDE's, IMO more people should be concerned with having NLE's than NDE's. That is, they're so worried/concerned/planning for what happens after death that they miss Life entirely. Or perhaps the interest in NDE is because this is a forum of old farts fearing that the D may be N. :-D Aha! What if the eastern idea that what we focus on becomes our reality is also true? Are we denizens of FFL destined to spend eternity together in this wonderland of towering clouds and angels. Here's hoping! But I worry that our eternal arguing might lower the tone of the place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proof of Heaven - has anyone actually read this book?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Mr. Nabby, I believe turq's explanation about Lenz' suicide. Share, so do I. The Turq confirms his guru was a drug-addict. Â You'll have to ask him yourself about the dog collar. Sorry, you can't really ask the Turq anything unless you are prepared for long rants about easterbunnies, Santa Claus, green beer, bars, young chicks and a general wasted life. Â I'm understanding it as unfathomable karma (-: Probably :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall back. But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines is he? Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was helping her with her karma. I look forward to a full report in TM News magazine. What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for Girish Varma. He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated with him? http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down. At the very least, there will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are lessons to be learned. It could be that TM-USA will separate from India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of education.. Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the scientific research part. Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried. Susan, Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board of Directors list is thinking a lot about this. Notice there are no women on our SBS Foundation Board: http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saras\ wati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ * Avinoam Shlomo Barkol Educator Ramat-Gan, Israel * John H. Black, M.A. Educator Palo Alto, CA, USA * Rafael David Business Entrepreneur Vero Beach, FL, USA * Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. Educator Boston, MA , USA * James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. Business Entrepreneur Boone, NC, USA * Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey Retired Businessman London, England * Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA Retired Real Estate Manager Palo Alto, CA, USA * Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * Harris Kaplan Retired Investment Fund Manager Boone, NC, USA * Steve Rubin Retired Businessman Sebastian, FL, USA * John Hagelin. Ph.D. Quantum Physicist and Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * John Fagan. Ph.D. Research Scientist and Activist Fairfield, IA, USA * Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D. Administrator and Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * Ior Guglielmi, M.D. Medical Doctor Verona, Italy * Robert LoPinto Retired Businessman Rockville, MD, USA * Thomas Elijah Stanley Philanthropist Fairfield, IA, USA * Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. Mayor Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA * Charoen-Rajapark Businessman Bangkok, Thailand * Paul Potter Educator New York, USA * Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D Scientist and Educator Champaign, IL, USA * Bruce Plaut, CPA, MBA Accountant and Businessman Fairfield, IA, USA * Emanuel Schiffgens Administrator Hannover, Germany * Kingsley Brooks, M.A. Administrator Lincoln, MA, USA * Bjarne Steffen Landsfeldt Administrator Mausing, Kjellerup, Denmark * Willem Meijles, Ph.D. Administrator Vlodrop, The Netherlands * Antonio Bartolomé Menéndez Businessman Banastás, Huesca, Spain * Mariano Facipieri Businessman Baschi, Italy * Jose Luis Alvares Roset Administrator Barcelona, Spain * John Carol Konhaus Agriculturalist and Administrator Nasu, Japan * Felix Urs Kägi Administrator Zürich, Switzerland * James Rogers Badgett Jr. Businessman Fairfield, IA, USA * Peter Warburton, M.A. Administrator Rendlesham, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK * Patrick John Barrett, Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist Boone, NC, USA * Lucien Mansour Retired Businessman Brussels, Belgium * Dean Dodrill Business Entrepreneur Washington, D.C., USA * Bevan Morris, Ph.D. Educator Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa, USA * Benjamin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall back. But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines is he? Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was helping her with her karma. I look forward to a full report in TM News magazine. What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for Girish Varma. He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated with him? http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down. At the very least, there will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are lessons to be learned. It could be that TM-USA will separate from India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of education.. Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the scientific research part. Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried. Susan, Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board of Directors list is thinking a lot about this. Notice there are no women on our SBS Foundation Board: Yes, there are no women. Because I believe that MMY did not want them on the board, right? It would be a real shame if the actions of one or a few undid all the years of genuine devotion on the part of many on this list, and Tony and John and Bevan. Whether you like them or not, they are devotees and have, imo, worked hard to make MMYs ideas a reality. Probably after MMY died they had serious misgivings about Girish and wanted to remove him, but they waited knowing MMY had picked him. Graft can happen anywhere, but I think organizations that are more mature have learned to have committees and oversight at every stage, especially when it comes to money issues. The temptation is just so great. And then there is the sex issue. Tough one, that. http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saras\ wati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ * Avinoam Shlomo Barkol Educator Ramat-Gan, Israel * John H. Black, M.A. Educator Palo Alto, CA, USA * Rafael David Business Entrepreneur Vero Beach, FL, USA * Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. Educator Boston, MA , USA * James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. Business Entrepreneur Boone, NC, USA * Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey Retired Businessman London, England * Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA Retired Real Estate Manager Palo Alto, CA, USA * Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * Harris Kaplan Retired Investment Fund Manager Boone, NC, USA * Steve Rubin Retired Businessman Sebastian, FL, USA * John Hagelin. Ph.D. Quantum Physicist and Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * John Fagan. Ph.D. Research Scientist and Activist Fairfield, IA, USA * Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D. Administrator and Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * Ior Guglielmi, M.D. Medical Doctor Verona, Italy * Robert LoPinto Retired Businessman Rockville, MD, USA * Thomas Elijah Stanley Philanthropist Fairfield, IA, USA * Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. Mayor Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA * Charoen-Rajapark Businessman Bangkok, Thailand * Paul Potter Educator New York, USA * Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D Scientist and Educator Champaign, IL, USA * Bruce Plaut, CPA, MBA Accountant and Businessman Fairfield, IA, USA * Emanuel Schiffgens Administrator Hannover,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual harassment guideline for its employees and officers? Probably not, I imagine they still hope that the stuff they teach about spontaneous right action and coherent behaviour is actually true and they therefore don't need a legal fall back. But if this story is true, it isn't an employee it's the guy at the top and he isn't going to want harassment guidelines is he? Still, at least he hasn't claimed he was helping her with her karma. I look forward to a full report in TM News magazine. What is the TM administration going to do about him? [?] The Girish story seems to broaden everyday. Do a google 'news' search for Girish Varma. He comes right up now, Times of India every day: Molestation, extortion, attemped murder, Sex in the back seat of an Audi. Five-Star Hotels. Other women come forward. It's very unfortunate. Jeeesus. The guy could take the whole Indian TM sub-continent down with him and TM Europe and the Americas too. Who would want to be associated with him? http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ Agreed, he could take the entire TMO down. At the very least, there will need to be major restructuring, looking over finances (that is if there is anything left for the TMO as opposed to the family members!). Girish could be the legacy that gets remembered. Starts with MMY and the Beatles and the finale is 50 years later with Girish. Somewhere here are lessons to be learned. It could be that TM-USA will separate from India. Seems in India it was just a big business with a cover story of education.. Here, we raised the money for them, and also did the scientific research part. Buck, are there big raja meetings to discuss this stuff? I wold think that Bevan and JOhn and RajaRaam are pretty worried. Susan, Yep one should wonder and hope that everyone on this Board of Directors list is thinking a lot about this. Notice there are no women on our SBS Foundation Board: http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-sarasw\ ati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ http://globalpeaceproject.net/about-us/the-foundation/brahmananda-saras\ wati-foundatio-board-of-directors/ * Avinoam Shlomo Barkol Educator Ramat-Gan, Israel * John H. Black, M.A. Educator Palo Alto, CA, USA * Rafael David Business Entrepreneur Vero Beach, FL, USA * Howard Martin Chandler, Ph.D. Educator Boston, MA , USA * James Kevin Egan, Ph.D. Business Entrepreneur Boone, NC, USA * Hugh Richard Alan Godfrey Retired Businessman London, England * Shawn Jeffrey Herman, MBA Retired Real Estate Manager Palo Alto, CA, USA * Richard Glenn Ross, B.F.A. Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * Harris Kaplan Retired Investment Fund Manager Boone, NC, USA * Steve Rubin Retired Businessman Sebastian, FL, USA * John Hagelin. Ph.D. Quantum Physicist and Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * John Fagan. Ph.D. Research Scientist and Activist Fairfield, IA, USA * Graham Anthony de Freitas, Ph.D. Administrator and Educator Fairfield, IA, USA * Ior Guglielmi, M.D. Medical Doctor Verona, Italy * Robert LoPinto Retired Businessman Rockville, MD, USA * Thomas Elijah Stanley Philanthropist Fairfield, IA, USA * Robert G. Wynne, Ph.D. Mayor Maharishi Vedic City, IA, USA * Charoen-Rajapark Businessman Bangkok, Thailand * Paul Potter Educator New York, USA * Michael Charles Dillbeck, Ph.D Scientist and Educator Champaign, IL, USA * Bruce Plaut, CPA, MBA Accountant and Businessman Fairfield, IA, USA * Emanuel Schiffgens Administrator Hannover, Germany * Kingsley Brooks, M.A. Administrator Lincoln, MA, USA * Bjarne Steffen Landsfeldt Administrator Mausing, Kjellerup, Denmark * Willem Meijles, Ph.D. Administrator Vlodrop, The Netherlands * Antonio Bartolomé Menéndez Businessman Banastás, Huesca, Spain * Mariano Facipieri Businessman Baschi, Italy * Jose Luis Alvares Roset Administrator Barcelona, Spain * John Carol Konhaus Agriculturalist and Administrator Nasu, Japan * Felix Urs Kägi Administrator Zürich, Switzerland * James Rogers Badgett Jr. Businessman Fairfield, IA, USA * Peter Warburton, M.A. Administrator Rendlesham, Woodbridge, Suffolk, UK * Patrick John Barrett, Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist Boone, NC, USA * Lucien Mansour Retired Businessman Brussels, Belgium *
[FairfieldLife] Happy
This is what I am all about. This music, this video, this guy dancing is all exactly who I am, what I love, how I'm going out in this world at the end of it all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_426RiwST8
[FairfieldLife] Google's 'Let It Snow' easter egg frosts your screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqGbEYWs04Q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqGbEYWs04Q and some other tricks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vej8QBH8YDU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vej8QBH8YDU and for FFL newcomer The answer to the universe http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+answer+to+the+ultimate+question+of+life%2C+the+\ universe%2C+and+everything http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+answer+to+the+ultimate+question+of+life%2C+the\ +universe%2C+and+everything
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
No biggie. Yeah, money is not the determining factor, and there is a whole lot of stuff, angles, perspectives, and choices. What you pay for was closer to what Ann said - commitment and investment. Sorry for the confusion, and I really do not arbitrarily insult people.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I went back and read your response to Ann, and now I get it, navashok. Okay, so I understand. My reaction was to this sentence, and I didn't know it was a reference to something else. I had attributed it to something I said about my experience with other techniques, which I had shared here before. Because of the sentence that came before it. So it was actually a mis-attribution. Sorry for that. If I had known this, I had not reacted in this way. OTOH, I do not follow everything that goes on between you and Barry. I'm also quite busy, so I don't read everything. I had actually sent a post before, that was more to the points you were making. So, to conclude my point: I think there are free things, free spiritual endeavors that work very well, that they come at no cost does not say anything about their quality or lack thereof; in fact I am involved in such an endeavor for many years. Actively and passive. That does not mean that anything like commitment, purpose and practice does not play a role. Of course it does. So one 'gives' oneself to something. But that cannot be substituted by money. There are many such endeavors, some more known, some less known, but the less known are not less valuable. Jumping into the middle of something while making assumptions about me is a great way to get upset over nothing. You missed my earlier reference. Barry said that Ann had a stick up her butt. I asked him if he was jealous of this imagined stick, as he had, in the past, commented about a picture of himself standing next to a petite Asian woman, and Barry remarked at the time that he had his finger *up her butt*. He hasn't replied, so I thought I'd remind him. Get it now? Please let me know, if you do not, and I will do my best to further clarify, though it is getting downright clinical in here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I did not insult anyone. You are the one full of it - go get your head straight. This is ridiculous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: dude, you sound incoherent. I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Did Vipassonthat suddenly become more popular because you didn't like what I said? Or was it the rather rude reminder of B's past behavior that was verbotten? Spell it out, please. What's got 'B' to do with it? I am not B.If you insult people you have to take the shit, and *you* should know to whom you respond to, right? Is this a Judy implant to think that anyone who on occasion agrees with B, is open to serve as a substitute for him? It's easier to have just one target and one enemy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed enlightenment? Do you have to say this, because you feel so threatened that people make experiences outside TM? You don't even know what you are talking about - copy all the neo-advaitic teachings, mix them with a little TM, and don't even know where they are coming from, right? These teachings were all given free, you just use - abuse them quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teach meditation to 40 formerly incarcerated youth
I was somewhat misled, trying to take the mechanical technique of TM as the be all/end all of knowledge, not recognizing that there was quite a bit of emotional and rational integration that had to accompany all of the awareness uncovered, as a result of transcending. Took me running into quite a few walls (ouch!) before I recognized it - I'm stubborn that way. Running and other intense physical pursuits were the key to beginning a blending of all that I had discovered through TM and TMSP, and the rest of the world, which I had kind of given up on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: No biggie. Yeah, money is not the determining factor, and there is a whole lot of stuff, angles, perspectives, and choices. What you pay for was closer to what Ann said - commitment and investment. Sorry for the confusion, and I really do not arbitrarily insult people.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I went back and read your response to Ann, and now I get it, navashok. Okay, so I understand. My reaction was to this sentence, and I didn't know it was a reference to something else. I had attributed it to something I said about my experience with other techniques, which I had shared here before. Because of the sentence that came before it. So it was actually a mis-attribution. Sorry for that. If I had known this, I had not reacted in this way. OTOH, I do not follow everything that goes on between you and Barry. I'm also quite busy, so I don't read everything. I had actually sent a post before, that was more to the points you were making. So, to conclude my point: I think there are free things, free spiritual endeavors that work very well, that they come at no cost does not say anything about their quality or lack thereof; in fact I am involved in such an endeavor for many years. Actively and passive. That does not mean that anything like commitment, purpose and practice does not play a role. Of course it does. So one 'gives' oneself to something. But that cannot be substituted by money. There are many such endeavors, some more known, some less known, but the less known are not less valuable. Jumping into the middle of something while making assumptions about me is a great way to get upset over nothing. You missed my earlier reference. Barry said that Ann had a stick up her butt. I asked him if he was jealous of this imagined stick, as he had, in the past, commented about a picture of himself standing next to a petite Asian woman, and Barry remarked at the time that he had his finger *up her butt*. He hasn't replied, so I thought I'd remind him. Get it now? Please let me know, if you do not, and I will do my best to further clarify, though it is getting downright clinical in here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I did not insult anyone. You are the one full of it - go get your head straight. This is ridiculous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: dude, you sound incoherent. I cannot figure out what you are trying to say. Did Vipassonthat suddenly become more popular because you didn't like what I said? Or was it the rather rude reminder of B's past behavior that was verbotten? Spell it out, please. What's got 'B' to do with it? I am not B.If you insult people you have to take the shit, and *you* should know to whom you respond to, right? Is this a Judy implant to think that anyone who on occasion agrees with B, is open to serve as a substitute for him? It's easier to have just one target and one enemy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: You get what you pay for. That is why most people have never heard of these two meditation programs - No one with any name recognition has found them to be successful, so rather than generating interest, or even controversy, these two marginal techniques are relegated to the backwaters of spiritual concern. Perhaps you can amuse yourself by finding all the other free and useless forms of meditation available around the globe, and then please share them with us. That is, when you aren't sticking your finger someplace warm and stinky.:-) You are really dump and stupid, aren't you? Is this the kind of level you have reached in your supposed
[FairfieldLife] LIVE WITH PAST FUTURE IN THE NOW: Existential Life Review, Part 2 Web Radio
LIVE WITH PAST FUTURE IN THE NOW: Existential Life Review, Part 2 Web Radio Experientials Experience time as you live now. Exercises at http://schoolofcounseling.org/2013/03/29/live-with-past-future-in-the-now-existential-life-review-part-2-web-radio/ Learn what you need to reprogram from the past and let your hopes for the future enhance your present. Live in the present and realize that past and future connect to you now, in the present. Burdens of the past exist for you in the present and can be reprogrammed. Hopes and opportunities for the future exist for you in the present and can provide directions for you now. Life's a river that flows always and smoothly toward the future.
[FairfieldLife] Teaser: Meditation, Creativity, Peace - David Lynch 16 Country Tour Documentar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG4XPk8runI
[FairfieldLife] President Barack Monsanto Obama
People are pissed that Obama is a shill for Monsanto. Glad to see the public reacting. Makes Michele's efforts for organic farming a bit phony. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576835/critics-slam-obama-for-protecting-monsanto/ Do samyama on Destroy Monsanto.
[FairfieldLife] Chat With a Martian
Google Earth 5 - 3D Mars! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtXFLL7Y2g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtXFLL7Y2g Google's 3D map program, called Google Earth, now has a Mars expansion pack. So you can sail through a 3D Red Planet - and if you take nablusoss1008 [:D] with you , you'll meet a Martian too. [:x] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjcrQzSt6o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjcrQzSt6o Type Meliza in the search window while looking at Mars (look for the planet icon at the top of GE 5 and switch to Mars). This will fly you to a place on mars with a place mark labeled MELIZA. Click on that and the place mark bubble will open and start talking to you. The program is based on an old computer application called Elizathe old Eliza online therapist program. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/GNU_Emacs_ELIZ\ A_example.png/488px-GNU_Emacs_ELIZA_example.png] I'll bet therapy works way better on Mars because all those pink rocks are so calming. have pun [:)]
[FairfieldLife] Yo, Curtis...
Ann, it would be best if you skip this post. Curtis, what did Jesus really say while on the cross? Peter, come to me Peter! Yes Lord, I'm here. Peter, I can see your house from up here!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yo, Curtis...
Very dry, excellent. I always imagined that he said: GOOD Friday, my ass. Like they say, blasphemy is a victimless crime. I can't think of that moment without a flash to the scene from the Life of Brian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey no_reply@... wrote: Ann, it would be best if you skip this post. Curtis, what did Jesus really say while on the cross? Peter, come to me Peter! Yes Lord, I'm here. Peter, I can see your house from up here!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Chat With a Martian
Those rocks are so calming on far away Mars they too have been listening to all that we say pink they've become from so much blushing From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Chat With a Martian Google Earth 5 - 3D Mars! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QtXFLL7Y2g Google's 3D map program, called Google Earth, now has a Mars expansion pack. So you can sail through a 3D Red Planet - and if you take nablusoss1008 with you , you'll meet a Martian too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vjcrQzSt6o Type Meliza in the search window while looking at Mars (look for the planet icon at the top of GE 5 and switch to Mars). This will fly you to a place on mars with a place mark labeled MELIZA. Click on that and the place mark bubble will open and start talking to you. The program is based on an old computer application called Elizathe old Eliza online therapist program. I'll bet therapy works way better on Mars because all those pink rocks are so calming. have pun
[FairfieldLife] Heretical teachings in Evangelical Christianity
Preacher Steve Hill (the fiery evangelist from the Brownsville Revival) claims to have had a Divinely inspired prophetic vision from God: http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/34894-steve-hill-the-spiritual-avalanche-that-could-kill-millions . Charisma Magazine April 2013 says False teachings running rampant within he American church have a created a whiteout condition for millions of believers. Here's how to detect - and overcome - these destructive doctrines before it's too late. ... Then Hill lists 7 heretical teachings in the possible avalanche overcoming beleivers: ... 1. Overemphasis of Prosperity 2. Exaggerated View of Grace. [my comment: this refers to hyper-grace teachings of some who live in sin and use hyper-grace (i.e. readily available forgiveness) to justify repeated sins. In other words, do what you want since all the Christian needs is forgiveness to eradicate sin, then repeat the process.] 3. Antinomianism - against law [this is an extreme form of hyper-...grace]. In practice, it means that anything goes since Jesus ...has set us free. ... 4. Deification of Man We are in grave danger worldwide as millions upon millions gaze upon man rather than God. 5. Challenging the Authority of the Word [truth comes from God via the Bible]. 6. Rejecting Hell 7. Universal Reconciliation. 3.
[FairfieldLife] Christ Resurrected
by Rembrandt: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/924.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christ Resurrected
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-christ-1700.jpg (in the air version) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: by Rembrandt: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/924.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Post Count Sat 30-Mar-13 00:15:03 UTC
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[FairfieldLife] Willkommen zurück, Michael and Judy
A week in the coop, now you're back in the loop.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christ Resurrected
Dude is totally voguing at that sausage party. If Jesus had come back in 1990 he would have cleaned up with that move. Club kid on the bottom right just fell into a K hole. Better put a mirror under that nose to check. Nowadays MC JC is gunna need to serve up a little Harlem shake if he wants to clear some space on the dance floor for a little second coming action. (or first) And a shower would be nice, with a little modern day hair product. Things get a little sweaty out heagh when they start mixing up some Lil Wayne into Dre beats played backwards, and you can't start at camel on the stank-O-meter. Oh yeah, with all those dudes, Mr. Savior had better have Crystal and V.O. flowing like the Red Sea. (coughslotsofblow) Cuz dem threads are not gunna pull any honeys other than chicks from the burbs who maxed Daddy's credgit card buying those stripper heels, the push UP bra, and the I am rolling on E mirror top with the LEDs. They like free drinks. Lots of free drinks. (coughsagainblowandE) Good luck converting the vertical to the horizontal my shizzzavior. Happy Easter. (Trim the beard, North and most importantly wax down South. Nobody wants to see a burning bush today.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Noel-coypel-the-resurrection-of-christ-1700.jpg (in the air version) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote: by Rembrandt: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/1/924.jpg
[FairfieldLife] Welcome MJ (Was: Willkommen zurück, Michael and Judy
And guess what, you can post - Yaay !!! Life's just not about food stamps, fried catfish, fried okra, canned pork and beans and Campbell soups. Don't be so cruel and selfish now, we need our weekly dose of anti-TM venom, the antidote to our miserable, pathetic lives. No need to feel shy or embarrassed and I won't complain about the same old sorry ass routine of yours. Don't let those posts rot in the drafts folder of your email - Let 'er rip. Unleash those drafts, why are you so click shy now? I can't bear your silence and this tension. Love, Ravi On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: A week in the coop, now you're back in the loop.
[FairfieldLife] Kim Jung Un is Angry with Willy
So what did Willy do to piss off the Jong Un? http://www.kvue.com/news/NKorea-orders-rocket-prep-after-US-B-2-drill-200590371.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome MJ (Was: Willkommen zurück, Michael and Judy
It is also about RC colas and moon pies From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Welcome MJ (Was: Willkommen zurück, Michael and Judy And guess what, you can post - Yaay !!! Life's just not about food stamps, fried catfish, fried okra, canned pork and beans and Campbell soups. Don't be so cruel and selfish now, we need our weekly dose of anti-TM venom, the antidote to our miserable, pathetic lives. No need to feel shy or embarrassed and I won't complain about the same old sorry ass routine of yours. Don't let those posts rot in the drafts folder of your email - Let 'er rip. Unleash those drafts, why are you so click shy now? I can't bear your silence and this tension. Love, Ravi On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: A week in the coop, now you're back in the loop.
[FairfieldLife] Question about Indian Jyotish
I have a question for Ravi and any other Indians here on FFL I was thinking about jyotish and wonder how much people still use it in India. I have been given to understand there was a time when all kinds of events would precipitate a consultation with a jyotish practitioner - weddings, birth of a child, choosing a time to start a business and so on. With the youth of India apparently getting more and more enamored of all things electronic, is there still a great use of jyotish in general society? I mean especially with the IT professionals, do many of them use jyotish? And the businesses, do the business leaders of big companies consult jyotish folks? What about the people in the rural areas? Just curious. MJ
[FairfieldLife] Eclipses and Such
Re: Sal's post about the English TMO being running scared of an eclipse - an old friend of mine who was a student forever at MIU sent me this: Back around 1987 I was required to speak about TM and Education on a radio and television station as part of my field work requirement in the MA in Education program. I, Mark Kurita, Dr. Susan Levin Dillbeck and an unremembered driver where in a car that was traveling toward a Sunday morning Des Moines television program. We had heard that there was going to be an eclipse of the sun by the moon that day. When the eclipse started to occur, Dr. Dillbeck told us this was very inauspicious and everyone except the driver should meditate. We meditated about twenty minutes and some twenty minutes later we arrived at the station. As I remember it went well. Whew! It's a good thing we meditated!
[FairfieldLife] Indian Life
http://jalopnik.com/a-guide-to-driving-in-india-without-dying-262254628
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Nabby...
Junior Brown puts them all to shame http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bQfZCrhYU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_wLVCLPx0M From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Nabby... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: Some of them there hillbilly music for y'all.. http://youtu.be/b0eknUtEMWw In the world of strange guitar playing Enver Izmailov - tapping guitar virtuozo from Ukraine takes the price Enver who is a jazz-guitarist, seems to have become more commercial with the years, but have a listen to this, from about 1:0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCzETvRJMoM don't miss this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-D0cLnZZk4
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Shermer rebuts Eben Alexander
I got a good deal more out of Anita Moorjani's book on her NDE - mainly I think because she was just saying - here is what happened to me, not trying to prove it happened. And it was impressive that her cancer cleared within weeks of the experience. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Shermer rebuts Eben Alexander --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Whoops - this was meant for Salyavin808. Â This book was interesting to me, not with respect to proving or disproving the phenomena of NDE's, but rather, the way it forced him to completely re-evaluate his assumptions as a scientist and the efforts he went to to reconcile his beliefs about the world and life with his experience. Â It's a great little story for many reasons, not just the obvious. Â Re-evaluating assumptions is always a good excerise, the NDE seems to generate a lot of positive energy in people. I guess they interpret it in much the same way I think the TM experience is interpreted - that it is a world beyond this one - and not just a change in the way the brain organises it's many contributory parts in making the picture of the world that we frequently mistake for the world itself. TM did it for me, as did LSD. I'm sure that if was a previous non-experiencer in any of the mind expanding shit I've been into and had an NDE during an accident or any health crisis, I would be much more likely to put extra weight on the experience being a foretelling of what is to come rather than the neural reshuffling I rather suspect it is. As I say, there isn't much in what I've read about the NDE that I haven't experienced before but I would still like to try an NDE, if only they could be induced without the near-death part! Bit I bet that would take a lot of the impact away from it. And what of the small percentage of people who don't have a happy trip to heaven. It seems a few have a vision of endless painful torment and instead of the sort of life affirming positive changes that most go through, they dread dying, being convinced they are going to hell! Maybe it's all true, that'd be a turn up! Might be worth a deathbed conversion
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bhairitu will enjoy this
Take it from someone with experience - AtT sucks big time particularly when it comes to Internet - Comcast sucks as far as being a TV provider, but their Xfinity internet is way better than U Verse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEvRL9h643o Warning - there is plenty of profanity - also shows the down side of being attached to the outcome of an activity. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bhairitu will enjoy this Maybe they will pay you some interest too. When I switched from Earthlink to ATT Broadband they were supposed to give me a $50 rebate to help defray the cost of the modem/router. They messed up the account and I didn't get the rebate at least right away. A little over a year later the modem/router died and though out of warranty I talked them into replacing it (probably because the support person thought that it sucked that it died just a little out of warranty). In the process they must have reviewed the account and found they never paid me the rebate so sent a check with interest. When I went to U-Verse Internet and phone with ATT they sent a $100 gift card. I knew to use it up within the first month or Visa would charge a fee. So all purchases were done with it instead of cash. I'm contemplating replacing Comcast with their TV service and I would get a $200 gift card and to same with it. There's not a lot of choice when it comes to TV and I've even considered doing without (cutting the cable). Most shows I really want to watch can still be seen using Hulu Plus and most of the cable network shows with Vudu or Amazon. Comcast may start encrypting the limited basic channels anyway rendering my computer TV tuners extinct. On 03/26/2013 07:55 AM, Share Long wrote: Thank you to Doc, Alex and noozguru for all the great info. Let me tell you of my adventures yesterday with Verizon the Obsequious. For my first foray they used the Bold Strategy of having me be hung up on while waiting for Customer Service. But being the dauntless lass that FFL has made me, gratitude all around, I dialed in again, waffled through the automated menu and this time got an actual person! Christian. Christian who kept putting me on hold. And then thanking me for being patient when he returned. Dear Christian of course had no way of knowing that I loathe and detest when someone, even in 3D life, thanks me for being patient. What in God's name makes them think I'm being patient?! I'm pure pitta for God's sake! There's not a patient bone in my body. Instead I follow Mark Russell's advice that the secret of patience is to do something else in the meantime. Now that's a strategy dear to any pitta's heart. But back to Verizon. Then Christian passed me to another person, Michelle. Michelle with the Bad Customer Karma, where Bad refers both to the Customer, Me, and to her Karma. Anyway, she made it clear how lucky I was that we didn't have to wait 72 hours to access my account history. They quickly located my December 2012 balance which was $208.25! But, you gotta love how the buts keep coming, but I had to buy another month for $15 to even find out if they would credit my account! So I did. Then she announced the total fee, $16.38 which dismayed me because for 8 1/2 years, as I told the hapless Michelle, the monthly amount with taxes was $16.05. She floundered about, probably thinking at this point that I was a test customer. Rather than simply a testy one ha ha. We soldiered on, she put me on hold again, thanked me again for about the 6 billionth time for being patient and then informed me that the amount was not only too high for her to authorize but also too high for her supervisor to authorize! Talk about cults! Soo, I will have to wait, patient person that they think I am, probably another 72 hours to see if I get the $208.25 credited back to my account. They now know that I got other options. But if they don't do what's right, by gum, I'm outta there and may they spend my $224.63 in good health. Poor little Verizon, I had no idea they were so strapped for cash! From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bhairitu will enjoy this Better known as customer retention and also works with cable companies. ;-) You can get all kinds of unadvertised deals this way. Just say you're going to walk. On 03/25/2013 01:07 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Whoooa. Call up Verizon, and get a real person on the phone, and explain your situation. Very much worth it. They will both work with you to fix your problem, and often have packages to offer you that aren't advertised. You have been a customer
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kim Jung Un is Angry with Willy
Kim Jong Un's actions don't fit with his ayurvedic body constitution. IMO, he's a puppet of the North Korean Army generals. He's a type that would prefer to eat than fight. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: So what did Willy do to piss off the Jong Un? http://www.kvue.com/news/NKorea-orders-rocket-prep-after-US-B-2-drill-200590371.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Company Offers One Way Trip to Mars
That is one of the funniest things I have ever read - Post TM Stress Disorder - all the people on TM Free blog have it too! From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Company Offers One Way Trip to Mars Right he does need it, MJ apparently has saved so many anti-TM messages in his drafts folder over the last week and half that he is totally stressed out deciding which and how many to post. Not to mention drafts of drafts and drafts of drafts of drafts - he is totally confused as to which is a clickable, sendable draft versus non-clickable, non-sendable draft of a draft or draft of a draft of a draft - not even a few draft beers resolve this confusion. He didn't even have any time to collect his food stamps !!! Poor guy - he needs a break. I think MJ definitely suffers from PTMSD - Post TM Stress Disorder that I have talked about in the past. He needs all the help we can extend !!! On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll sponsor MJ for a trip. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Any takers here on FFL? http://gma.yahoo.com/company-offers-one-way-trip-mars-191306571--abc-news-topstories.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Shermer rebuts Eben Alexander
So what did everyone think about the concept of God telling him that evil has to exist for us to have free will? From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Shermer rebuts Eben Alexander --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: The title is the worse part of the book.  Did you read it?  The point of the book isn't actually his NDE.  Yup. From: curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Shermer rebuts Eben Alexander  Hi Emily, Hi five for bringing new material. I grabbed it at the library as soon as its catnip (for me) title had its effect. I had to read some of the critiques to understand the scientific issues with his claims. Evaluating this book is a great education in how we need to approach the flood of popular books from scientists or doctors without a background in the field. Scientific understanding is a collaborative process filled with outliers expanding the edges of the known as well as people who are just a bit off. It taught me a lot about how complex determining death is in the short run. In the long run it becomes more obvious! Neurosurgeons are as naive as anyone else concerning the issues with being confident of our knowledge if they have not studied epistemology. He makes a few fatal errors in his assumptions. Having had the kind of experiences he recounts in the altered states produced by lots of meditation, I understand the compelling nature of what the brain can produce. I suspect under the extreme conditions his was under are even more compelling. His title is fascinating: Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife. It makes us feel as if we should take his claim more seriously because of his background doesn't it? It worked on me. But in the end we have a subjective account with no scientific way to know when exactly he had these experiences as his brain powered down and up. So we are left with another account that uses the tantalizing concept of near death which sounds more like death than not death in the same way that barely legal porn gets more Internet porn hits than legal porn. (Or so I am told having no first hand knowledge in this area.) Our minds are amazing and the collaborative effect of minds trying to get to the bottom of life's deepest questions is fascinating. I will always respond to the catnip of the outliers, but wont be surprised when, after more study, they don't quite deliver what they promised. I always learn from taking the ride. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Read the book Xeno and then I would love to have a discussion with you.it was written by a neuroscientist after all.  And he addresses exactly what you discuss below in the context of medical science.  From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Michael Shermer rebuts Eben Alexander  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: This is a beautiful picture.  Can you believe I just finished this book?  Eben Alexander refutes all this in the later Chapters of this book - he addresses this supposition of hallucination specifically by making the very real point that his neocortex was not functioning, amongst other things.  How would he, in that state, know whether he even had a neocortex? Someone had to feed him this information. Neurologists point out that even in states where the patient seems to be in cardiac arrest, there is some slight activity that keeps a small amount of blood flow to the brain. In these emergency situations, there is no electroencephalographic monitoring of the brain, though that might be introduced as additional controls someday. No one has figured out just when a patient has the NDE in these situations as they cannot point out they are having an experience, so currently there are a lot of unknowns about these experiences. Those that believe in NDEs assume the brain is not functioning, but this is unknown except in the case where the patient does not revive, and then of course they do not report an NDE. These kinds of experiences often occur under very specific circumstances where a patient or a subject is not in a life threatening situation such as cardiac arrest, which is why scientists very substantially question whether they have any 'supernatural' component at all.
[FairfieldLife] Re: La Mer [Was Majorca Spain]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote: (snip) A decade or so ago a friend of my Mum's went on such a trip and had a fabulous time. She is the town's ex-vicar's ex- wife. Following her divorce she discovered a love for the sea and for many years sailed a 26' yacht around the English South West coast (where the Spanish Armada began to get unstuck) and around the Med. Now, that's what I'd *really* like to do. Sadly, a 26-foot yacht ain't in the budget. Motor or sail? Sail. Her boat Kate was I think a Westerly Centaur 26. Such as this: http://goo.gl/F4BJJ *sigh* I've never been on a sailboat, except a Sailfish on a lake once many, many years ago. They were sturdy boats built in the seventies. Many are still seeing action and trading hands for not such big bucks. For an inanimate object, Joan had a pretty profound relationship with Kate. I believe failing health finally forced her to sell up in the end; but that was just a few years ago in her eighties. I'm sure she was gutted. Memories of Kate... On one occasion Joan took Kate out for a day trip from her home port of Salcombe with a few friends (including my mother). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salcombe. Unfortunately a thick sea fog descended just as they were heading back. In those days no one had GPS - you had to plot your course on a chart and use dead reckoning. Everyone had the utmost confidence in Joan, who was both highly experienced and proficient in navigation. But even so they all got a bit of shock when the fog lifted slightly and revealed that they had just inched through an extremely narrow gap between a large rock and the headland. You can just make it out here: http://goo.gl/tXU4q Ai! Did she do that deliberately, or by very lucky accident? If deliberately, why?? And this is just a fabulous story, PaliGap; I enjoyed it immensely: In my student days I would return to Salcombe to work in the local hotels and sail (dinghies). One day the call came from Joan - would I like to join her for a three day trip around the coast to Teignmouth? As per usual she had a couple of English language students staying for the summer. One was a Dutch guy, whose name escapes me. The other was a French girl, Sylvie, whom I remember somewhat better (funny that). Both would be on the voyage, but neither had had any sailing experience. How flattering to think I may have been called up for my expertise! So I accepted without a seond thought. We set off in the evening to 'catch the tide'. And as I recall it was a beautiful, calm night with a full moon as we crossed the Salcombe bar and headed out to sea. The bar here is not the kind that Sinatra sang about in One For My Baby; it's a sand spit lurking close to the surface at the harbour entrance where waves can break at low tide (and turn very ugly in a strong southerly). If my mind had been on higher things, instead of trying to impress Sylvie, some words of Tennyson might have come to mind - a poem inspired by the Salcombe bar, at least if we are to believe the local tourist office: Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea, But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home. Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness or farewell, When I embark; For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar. Maybe the climax of our little voyage was less sublime, but our spirits were restored just the same by some fish and chips and an overnight stop in Teignmouth. Coming back the weather turned against us. It was chilly and grey with a bit of rain. The wind had freshened a bit, and was now against us, meaning that we had to tack back (perform a series of zig-zags) with the sails sheeted in as hard as possible to get Kate to sail as close to the wind as she could. All went well until it came to getting around the final headland - Start Point: http://goo.gl/VJMbh Of those on board, only Joan knew that it was going to get a bit fearsome as we stood out to sea the necessary few miles in order to make our final turn for home. This is because with the outgoing tide, all the water in The English Channel piles up at Start Point in order to escape to the Atlantic creating a tidal race. With wind against tide you can get a sea forming that's out of all proportion to the weather conditions. And that's how it turned out to be, as plucky Kate with Joan at the helm tossed and pranced out
Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome MJ (Was: Willkommen zurück, Michael and Judy
Oh yeah - Moonpie, you suddenly evoked my memory of it. RC Cola - still remember it. In case you are wondering I lived in your neck of the woods - Huntsville, Alabama for 3 years during the early to mid-nineties and learned a lot about the Southern culture - enough to make fun of it anyway. On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: ** It is also about RC colas and moon pies -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2013 8:52 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Welcome MJ (Was: Willkommen zurück, Michael and Judy And guess what, you can post - Yaay !!! Life's just not about food stamps, fried catfish, fried okra, canned pork and beans and Campbell soups. Don't be so cruel and selfish now, we need our weekly dose of anti-TM venom, the antidote to our miserable, pathetic lives. No need to feel shy or embarrassed and I won't complain about the same old sorry ass routine of yours. Don't let those posts rot in the drafts folder of your email - Let 'er rip. Unleash those drafts, why are you so click shy now? I can't bear your silence and this tension. Love, Ravi On Mar 29, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: A week in the coop, now you're back in the loop.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Question about Indian Jyotish
Well I grew up completely irreligious and had no idea about astrology when I grew up in India - this is the best thing my mom gave me, totally left me alone to enjoy my inner world and didn't give me any belief system. So I learned Jyotish only because someone close to me used astrology for their delusional, narcissistic beliefs and the bizarre Jyotish based abuse that was directed at me and my curiosity was aroused - I had to know what it was that was making this person act so abnormal because from my perspective I wasn't anything but loving towards this person. I wouldn't have learned much about Indian spirituality and other religious based systems such as Jyotish otherwise. And because I learned it from a very rational, Western based context I only accept what makes sense to me and reject most of it, either way I don't base my daily life on it or believe in its predictive techniques. But based upon my observation during the trip of India - the older generation still relies on Jyotish - especially Panchanga, for example my brother-in-law wouldn't start anything during Rahu Kaalam - an inauspicious time of the day. But the younger generation is totally moving away from these old traditions. Can't comment much on businesses in India because I have never worked there myself - but I'm sure it's not at all used in the American IT, banking related companies but most likely used by others. On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: ** I have a question for Ravi and any other Indians here on FFL I was thinking about jyotish and wonder how much people still use it in India. I have been given to understand there was a time when all kinds of events would precipitate a consultation with a jyotish practitioner - weddings, birth of a child, choosing a time to start a business and so on. With the youth of India apparently getting more and more enamored of all things electronic, is there still a great use of jyotish in general society? I mean especially with the IT professionals, do many of them use jyotish? And the businesses, do the business leaders of big companies consult jyotish folks? What about the people in the rural areas? Just curious. MJ
[FairfieldLife] Vedic Atoms
What were Vedic Atoms and what happened to them - any good stories about them?
