Re: [FairfieldLife] Apologies to group/Michael Dean Goodman
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Press Release - Global County
Hey! This is new! --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heard it before? Ingegerd Global Country of World Peace - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - _ Maharishi to hold global news conference Wednesday, 4pm (UK time) - details how to connect via Internet, satellite, or telephone - see below _ Maharishi's Historic Proclamation to the World The Arrow Has Left the Bow And will soon hit the target Maharishi's Program to Create Coherent World Consciousness Has Begun Signs of Decreased Negative Global Trends To Appear within the Next Few Months The world press will soon have the opportunity to report the good news of increased positivity and peace in every nation His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi proclaimed this week that his global peace program is now under way and will soon produce clear signs of increased positive trends in global events. For the past few weeks I have been telling the world press that 'the arrow has left the bow and will soon hit the target'-that my program to create coherent world consciousness has already started in one place-India-and that very soon it will begin in every other country, Maharishi said. A new fortune is dawning for all mankind. Maharishi called on the world press to report back to him the good news, including trends towards increased coherence and harmony in world events, improved government, greater affluence, better health, and improved education in every country. Maharishi's declaration came during his January 25 global news conference from the Capital of the Global Country of World Peace in Meru, Holland. Maharishi's global peace program comes after 50 years of bringing the Transcendental Meditation program to millions of individuals worldwide Maharishi's announcement comes after 50 years of bringing the scientifically proven benefits of the Transcendental Meditation program to millions of individuals throughout the world. Now, Maharishi said, he is producing the same effect on a global scale-bringing the benefits of his program to the whole world family. Maharishi's global peace program calls for establishing in every country groups of several hundred to several thousand coherence-creating experts (the number of experts depends upon the population size of the country). These experts will practice the Transcendental Meditation technique and Yogic Flying to enliven within their own self-referral Transcendental Consciousness the all-pervading Unified Field of Natural Law to create coherent national consciousness-the basis of invincibility for the country. Maharishi said that such groups can easily be established in every country, including in schools where students can practice Yogic Flying in groups for 20 to 30 minutes a day. Then national consciousness will always remain coherent and positive. There will be affluence, joy, happiness, satisfaction, and bliss everywhere. There will be no conflicts, no disturbance, no suffering, no problems, Maharishi said. Maharishi's program to create permanent world peace has been verified by extensive scientific research In response to a press question, Maharishi cited the Meissner Effect in physics to explain how groups of coherence-creating experts can prevent negative trends in the nation. The Meissner Effect is a fundamental principle in nature revealing that internally coherent systems are naturally resistant to disruption, and spontaneously repel disruptive external influences, while incoherent systems are easily penetrated by disorder from outside. We have a simple, proven formula to create integrated national consciousness so that no negative trends arise in the nation, Maharishi said. Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation and global peace programs have been verified through more than 600 scientific studies conducted at 250 independent research institutions in 33 countries during the past 35 years. Sovereignty is a laughingstock in the world Maharishi said his global peace plan comes at a time when no nation in the world can claim to be either safe or sovereign. Sovereignty has no meaning in the world today-it is a fraud, a laughingstock, Maharishi said. Countries with more money can buy countries with less money and dictate the terms. As long as every nation does not rise on its own to true sovereignty in invincibility, then permanent world peace will always remain a question mark. Once world consciousness is integrated and every country is invincible, no weakness or problems will ever arise anywhere-either inside or outside the country. A new time of affluence and all good is dawning Maharishi explained that it may take a few months for the peace- creating groups to be established, but emphasised that the
[FairfieldLife] The Meaning and Purpose of Culture
Dear Friends, here is a good aritcle i found while surfing net. I am sharing this with you all... The word âcultureâ nowadays is used in so many peripheral contexts that its original meaning has been submerged. For example, we have a âpopular cultureâ, by which is meant the collective human intellectual achievements. There is a âconsumerist cultureâ, which is taken by some as a determinant of the status of a person along with his educational success and/or financial strength. To be an integral part of this culture, one has to have a higher spending power, which yields a greater availability of materialistic pleasures and facilities. We also hear of an âemerging cultureâ, which reflects the attitudes and the behavioral characteristics of a particular social group. An emerging drug or pub culture among the youngsters of today is an example. Modern colleges and universities take pride in their âcompetitive cultureâ that helps to bring out the best in students and aid their intellectual development. However, none of these descriptions highlight the essential features of the true meaning of âcultureâ. The concept of culture: Intellectuals and thinkers of the world have defined and analysed âcultureâ in their own way. Prof. Edward Burnett Tylor, a famous 19th century English anthropologist, gave one of the first clear definitions of culture in the West. He defined culture as a complex collection of âknowledge, belief, art, law, morals, customs and any other capabilities and habits acquired by man as a member of societyâ.1According to Matthew Arnold, a poet of the Victorian era, culture means âcontact with the best which has been thought and said in the worldâ.2He considered culture as a âstudy of perfectionâ. Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of independent India, described culture as the outcome and basis of training, establishment and development of physical and mental potentials. Sri Rajgopalacharya, the first Governor General of British India, defined it as the collective _expression_ of the thoughts, speeches and deeds of the learned, talented or creative members of a society or a nation. In the 1950s, A. L. Kroeber and Clyde Kluckhohn collected over a hundred definitions of culture. A modern definition of culture is given by anthropologist William A. Haviland in Cultural Anthropology as follows: âCulture is a set of rules or standards that, when acted upon by the members of a society, produce behaviour that falls within a range of variance the members consider proper and acceptable.â3In other words, culture does not refer to the behaviour that is observed but to values and beliefs which generate behaviour. Some modern definitions of culture tend to be inclusive of the âemerging cultureâ of society. For instance, in Culture and Modernity, Roop Rekha Verma defines culture as âa system of the patterns and the modes of expectations, expressions, values, institutionalisation and enjoyment habits of people in general.â4Note the inclusion of the term âenjoyment habitsâ. What is the Vedic view on the concept of culture? Pritibhushan Chatterji in Knowledge, Culture and Man says that culture âmeans something cultivated or ripened⦠âCultureâ also refers to some kind of refinement which is born of education and enlightenment.â5This seems to be largely in agreement with the Vedic interpretation of culture. The Vedic term for culture is sanskrati, which originates from the word samskara.6Samskara in a linguistic sense implies the process of refinement and purification. Thus, sanskrati means the assimilated treasure of the methods that: (1) purify and uplift the human life; (2) teach us the art of living happily with others, the etiquettes of civilization and the ethics of social benevolence; or (3) encompass those values and practices which effectuate refinement and happy progress of the internal and external aspects of peopleâs life and instil sanskaras in their conduct along with natural enlightenment and strengthening of their mental and physical talents. There are thus many viewpoints on culture and so it is difficult to find a universal definition. Actually, the meaning and purpose of culture is vast â they incorporate the genesis and expansion of the philosophy, values, goals and modes of life in any society or nation. In short, culture is the traditional yet evolving basis and nature of life of a social or national system that provides support and atmosphere for civilised, liberal and illuminating progress of people. Indeed, culture is an ensemble of immeasurable trends and attempts that have gradually evolved and excelled since the ancient times and have contributed to the overall development and progress of humans. It represents those lines of thoughts and systems of the human society that aim to cultivate samskaras in every realm of human life. Cultural
[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (Was: Scorpion etiquette guide)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even the most sattvic and enlightened souls can recognize the low level of life lived in the mud of the Kaliyuga This is reminiscent of a combination of the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Pharissees in general. Praise the Lord for the fact that we are not as other men... etc. The bottom line, bbrigante, is that you attempt to hide behind this high sounding rhetoric the fact that you are a fool, a racist and a narrow minded biggot. I suspect that you have some trauma in your life involving someone from the UK. Maybe your wife has sh***ed a Brit recently. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Preach on, Brother. I agree with everything said below. And do feel like much of FFL has been hijacked and taken to an entirely different tone and tenor from what it used to be. There are several people whose posts I consistently open because I know that there will be something of value in what they write. Conversely, there are a half-a-dozen or maybe a little more, whose posts I almost always skip because they are consistently carping on someone else's post (from the same half dozen). And this latter group are responsible for over half the entire postings. Bummer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/31/06 8:16 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicely put, Michael. It seems to me that much of FFL is a different place than it was a few years ago. There are wonderful discussions, good laughs, and such knowledgable people here. But I skip many of the posts these days because they are so hostile - from a subset of people looking to engage each other by jumping on a word's implied meaning, an assumed criticism, the personality or character of someone they've never met, on and on. I'm not sure why they are here on FFL at all. Why not email each other on the side or better yet, just call each other on the phone and work out these issues and conflicts between each other, rather than taking up space on FFL? The tone of this kind of stuff is off, unpleasant, and it feels as if a portion of FFL has been hijacked. I agree. I don't get this hostility on the Internet thing. Would the people who behave this way here do so face to face? Maybe, if they had been married 10 years and it wasn't working out, but otherwise, I'll bet they're a lot more cordial in real life than they are on the Net, or at least I hope so. Amma always says that anger is like a knife without a handle that's sharp on both ends - it injures the attacker as much as the person being attacked. I know that when I spew negativity on someone, I feel polluted afterwards. And upon reflection, I realize that I'm just lashing out against my own flaws, mirrored back to me by the person I'm attacking. Can a sincere spiritual aspirant habitually indulge in negative behavior? Wouldn't their spiritual progress be facilitated by examining why they tend to do that and rooting out that tendency? Wouldn't they and all they influence feel better if they did so? People are always going to do things which potentially could invoke our anger or negativity. Seems to me that we use take those situations as an opportunity for our own growth by exercising restraint and judgment and sublimating the tendency to respond in kind. In a word, forgiveness. Maybe our doing so will facilitate their growth as well, by setting an example or causing them to reflect on their own behavior rather than reinforcing their destructive habit. Just some thoughts. Sorry if I'm sounding preachy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Gayatri Mantra
Sanskrit scholars! I've got a question for you. In transliterations of the Gayatri mantra I have seen the first word after om phonetically spelled either Bhur or Bhu. Which one is correct? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman's REAL Name
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for their non-existent individuality different from tbeir birth certificate. And these Atman/Brahmans make a big deal about using their own birth-given individuality tag. Michael is REALLY proud of that. fear vs no fear. Perhaps I am fearful of becoming like that someday. Then I asked, who is that who is fearing? and I could not asnwer, I could find no fearer. From that moment on I became obsessed with asking people to please use their birth names. Go Figure! We have nothing to fear but tag names themselves. Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
IMO, posters get into a pit of sand, hard to dig out, when they try to diagnose motives and moods of other posters. If Dr. Pete can't do it via text, and he is a trained professional in deciphering such with live clients Is there anyone here who is trained to work with dead clients? If so, speak up! Sal Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
This is really a great analysis, Gabby, my previous joke about it notwithstanding. Pretty much how I often feel as well. Sal --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG's recent post is another example. Diagnosing complex and generally perversre motives for people's replies to an ealier post of his: instead of taking the, what I read as, generaly mild criticism for a sloppily reported article and a weak analysis of it. And what is hostility --different folks may have different tolerances. My making the above statement (last sentence or prior paragraph), do you take that as hostile? I don't. Perhaps some do. Its not a direct attack on MG, its not implying he is eternally sloppy or weak thinking. It is a comment about a piece of work (a post) submitted to a larger audience. A benefit of this group is, amongst other things, is to get feedback on our ideas, and the clarity in which we present them. By posting something, we are implicitly asking for opinions andfeedback. Not everything we all post is clearly thought out, well researched or clearly written. I think it is within the bounds of the charter of the group to provide feedback. A problem is, some people when when they receive feedback, even the most reasonable and deserved feedback and take it personally, they internalize it, they see it as a personal attack. And often, as a defense mechansim, they strike back: The 'reviewer' is angry, The 'reviewer' is stupid, The 'reviewer' has an agenda against me, The 'reviewer' is hiding his own inadequacies. They stike back defensively, instead of looking at the criticism objectively, not taking it personally, evaluating it for valid points, learning from what is usefulck feedback, and disgarding the rest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion etiquette guide
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: If you spill a stranger's drink by accident, it is good manners (and prudent) to offer to buy another, a section entitled Pubs advises. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/international/01letter.html Uh, this is called flaming in internet lingo. Though it reminds me that Newcastle Brown is an excellent beer! Quoting an article in the NY Times, usually considered to be the standard-setter in journalism, despite the Blair scandal etc., hardly qualifies as flaming ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming ). I'm not serious, of course, about the Brits being the only people who live low and deplorable lives -- it's the Kaliyuga, all countries are territories of evil - - but it is legitimate to remind people that life is lived at just about the lowest level possible without Mother Earth trying to shrug off her burden. MMY's characterization of the UK as scorpionland is just symbolic of the whole reason why he has made TM less accessible in every country except India (India is a mess, but it's the only country that can initiate the transition to a Sat Yuga level of orderliness). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html It is in the eye of the beholder, Bob, literally. Even the most sattvic and enlightened souls can recognize the low level of life lived in the mud of the Kaliyuga. The world is said to be bliss to the enlightened, but that does not mean that there is no recognition of the suffering and ignorance prevalent on the planet. And it only out of compassion that great saints like Guru Dev and MMY leave their peaceful lives of bliss in seclusion and come out into the world to free the ignorant from the burden of suffering. Guru Dev and MMY didn't just come out and smile and say life is bliss, although certainly that is what they were living -- they offered a practical way for householders to also live a life of bliss. Unfortunately, the growth of the TM movement cannot proceed in an ugly world except by fits and starts -- it's too challenging to people living in darkness -- so that's why MMY has withdrawn TM -- to one degree or another, from all countries except India (where the price of instruction is affordable for everybody). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html I didn't realize you had posted the link to remind all of us that there is mud and evil and all that in the world. I recognize that- Liberation is impossible without passing through the great world of darkness. Having said that, and now realizing the intent of your message, why is it necessary to point out the negative attributes of this world when they are as you say, so endemic? If negativity is self evident to all in this world, what benefit is there to point it out? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Preach on, Brother. I agree with everything said below. And do feel like much of FFL has been hijacked and taken to an entirely different tone and tenor from what it used to be. ... And this latter group are responsible for over half the entire postings. Compared to two years ago, there are now 2-10 times the number posts, compared on monthly basis, than then. So half of the new postings are to your liking. Lets assume you enjoyed 100% of posts two years ago (hard to believe). So you now have 1-5 times as many good posts, in your view. So your gripe and grief has nothing to do with the quantity of good posts, but apparently that you now have to schroll a bit more. Poor Baby! :) You could simple choose e-mail subscriptions and use filters for your undesirables -- though you may miss a lot. There are several people whose posts I consistently open because I know that there will be something of value in what they write. Conversely, there are a half-a-dozen or maybe a little more, whose posts I almost always skip because they are consistently carping on someone else's post (from the same half dozen). One person's carping is anothers insightful critique. I believe the FFL population contains a wider range of views and backgrounds compared to two years ago. This is a good thing, IMO. A wider range of views will naturally bring out a wider range of critiques. Again, this is a good thing, IMO. A good critic of the facts, sourcing, logic or style of any post can be excellent feedback -- to the poster and indirectly for all readers. It can, and does, IMO, raise the averall quality of posts in the longrun. A more diverse group and set of posts will also bring out a wider range of styles of criticism (criticism as in film, food, literature or design 'criticism'. Over the years, some are more refined, some cruder. Though crude to some may be simply a missing of context. If you read thread selectively, and suddenly read an (intended) satire of a prior post, you may think it is totally bizzarre, out of placeB and rude. But that may be your lack -- you don't get the references and allusions. It may be a quite insightful critique of a prior post -- but due to your limited vision and reading, it appears crude. Also, if you peg aka sterotype someone as crude often it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will find evidence of crudeness everywhere. But if read from a fresh-field, you may find humor and/or reasonable criticism. Bummer. Bummerness is structured in consciousness. So I can't sympathize with your plight too much. You have as many, perhaps many times more quality posts now, compared to the past, and your missing of seeing quality in bad posters may be due to your own shortcomings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
When I first chanced on FFL it seemed 'gentlemanly' if you can excuse the non-PC term. Nowadays, it is an alley where one has to beware of who might be about. Although it appears that there are more posts nowadays, this is something of an illusion, since there is now an anything-goes mentality whereas then there seemed to be more self- discipline and a higher standard of debate. Slanging matches might have their value but when they become routine they are offensive. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/31/06 8:16 PM, wayback71 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nicely put, Michael. It seems to me that much of FFL is a different place than it was a few years ago. There are wonderful discussions, good laughs, and such knowledgable people here. But I skip many of the posts these days because they are so hostile - from a subset of people looking to engage each other by jumping on a word's implied meaning, an assumed criticism, the personality or character of someone they've never met, on and on. I'm not sure why they are here on FFL at all. Why not email each other on the side or better yet, just call each other on the phone and work out these issues and conflicts between each other, rather than taking up space on FFL? The tone of this kind of stuff is off, unpleasant, and it feels as if a portion of FFL has been hijacked. I agree. I don't get this hostility on the Internet thing. Would the people who behave this way here do so face to face? Maybe, if they had been married 10 years and it wasn't working out, but otherwise, I'll bet they're a lot more cordial in real life than they are on the Net, or at least I hope so. Amma always says that anger is like a knife without a handle that's sharp on both ends - it injures the attacker as much as the person being attacked. I know that when I spew negativity on someone, I feel polluted afterwards. And upon reflection, I realize that I'm just lashing out against my own flaws, mirrored back to me by the person I'm attacking. Can a sincere spiritual aspirant habitually indulge in negative behavior? Wouldn't their spiritual progress be facilitated by examining why they tend to do that and rooting out that tendency? Wouldn't they and all they influence feel better if they did so? People are always going to do things which potentially could invoke our anger or negativity. Seems to me that we use take those situations as an opportunity for our own growth by exercising restraint and judgment and sublimating the tendency to respond in kind. In a word, forgiveness. Maybe our doing so will facilitate their growth as well, by setting an example or causing them to reflect on their own behavior rather than reinforcing their destructive habit. Just some thoughts. Sorry if I'm sounding preachy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sanskrit scholars! I've got a question for you. In transliterations of the Gayatri mantra I have seen the first word after om phonetically spelled either Bhur or Bhu. Which one is correct? I'm too lazy to check that out now, but I'm quite sure it's om bhuur bhuvaH svaH (pronounced approximately like bhoo[oo]r bhoovas swaha) The stand alone form of bhuur is bhuuH (bhoohoo), but due to sandhi the visarga-sound 'H' changes to 'r', because the visarga is followed by a voiced consonant 'b'. As you can see, pronunciation of visarga is greatly affected by what's following it. If a pause follows visarga, at least nowadays it's usually pronounced with an echo vowel (svaH - swaha, bhuuH - bhoohoo, RSiH - risheehee). __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [...] Ownership and identity with petty things like thoughts and intellectual creations certainly wanes in the process of consciouness waking up to itself. From day one of transcennding IME. To claim full wakefulness of consiousness to itself, while still strongly exhibiting strong attachment to and identity with ones mental processes and output is an experiential oxymoron in my view and experience. Of course, one can never be CERTAIN of someone else's state of consciousness (or even of one's own, if I read certain things correctly), but one's own judgement in who to bother to pay attention to seems worth using, and even unavoidable though we might pretend otehrwise. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
Thank you, I see it entirely differently now. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Preach on, Brother. I agree with everything said below. And do feel like much of FFL has been hijacked and taken to an entirely different tone and tenor from what it used to be. ... And this latter group are responsible for over half the entire postings. Compared to two years ago, there are now 2-10 times the number posts, compared on monthly basis, than then. So half of the new postings are to your liking. Lets assume you enjoyed 100% of posts two years ago (hard to believe). So you now have 1-5 times as many good posts, in your view. So your gripe and grief has nothing to do with the quantity of good posts, but apparently that you now have to schroll a bit more. Poor Baby! :) You could simple choose e-mail subscriptions and use filters for your undesirables -- though you may miss a lot. There are several people whose posts I consistently open because I know that there will be something of value in what they write. Conversely, there are a half-a-dozen or maybe a little more, whose posts I almost always skip because they are consistently carping on someone else's post (from the same half dozen). One person's carping is anothers insightful critique. I believe the FFL population contains a wider range of views and backgrounds compared to two years ago. This is a good thing, IMO. A wider range of views will naturally bring out a wider range of critiques. Again, this is a good thing, IMO. A good critic of the facts, sourcing, logic or style of any post can be excellent feedback -- to the poster and indirectly for all readers. It can, and does, IMO, raise the averall quality of posts in the longrun. A more diverse group and set of posts will also bring out a wider range of styles of criticism (criticism as in film, food, literature or design 'criticism'. Over the years, some are more refined, some cruder. Though crude to some may be simply a missing of context. If you read thread selectively, and suddenly read an (intended) satire of a prior post, you may think it is totally bizzarre, out of placeB and rude. But that may be your lack -- you don't get the references and allusions. It may be a quite insightful critique of a prior post -- but due to your limited vision and reading, it appears crude. Also, if you peg aka sterotype someone as crude often it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will find evidence of crudeness everywhere. But if read from a fresh-field, you may find humor and/or reasonable criticism. Bummer. Bummerness is structured in consciousness. So I can't sympathize with your plight too much. You have as many, perhaps many times more quality posts now, compared to the past, and your missing of seeing quality in bad posters may be due to your own shortcomings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to group/Michael Dean Goodman
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
I really disagree. About 2-3 years ago the posts/post-ers on this site were far superior to what they have been for some time now. I cannot recall the names of all the post-ers from that era but I always enjoyed reading Doug Hamilton's quotes, Rick was a much more active poster and his posts usually had much more meat to them than more recently. Mark Meredith nearly always had something insightful to offer, Patrick Gillam's posts were always crystal clear (not to mention always editorially correct). Bob Brigante, who used to snarl a lot always had information packed posts. To me that has been lost in some of the endless blather that passes for posts on this site more recently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, I see it entirely differently now. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Preach on, Brother. I agree with everything said below. And do feel like much of FFL has been hijacked and taken to an entirely different tone and tenor from what it used to be. ... And this latter group are responsible for over half the entire postings. Compared to two years ago, there are now 2-10 times the number posts, compared on monthly basis, than then. So half of the new postings are to your liking. Lets assume you enjoyed 100% of posts two years ago (hard to believe). So you now have 1-5 times as many good posts, in your view. So your gripe and grief has nothing to do with the quantity of good posts, but apparently that you now have to schroll a bit more. Poor Baby! :) You could simple choose e-mail subscriptions and use filters for your undesirables -- though you may miss a lot. There are several people whose posts I consistently open because I know that there will be something of value in what they write. Conversely, there are a half-a-dozen or maybe a little more, whose posts I almost always skip because they are consistently carping on someone else's post (from the same half dozen). One person's carping is anothers insightful critique. I believe the FFL population contains a wider range of views and backgrounds compared to two years ago. This is a good thing, IMO. A wider range of views will naturally bring out a wider range of critiques. Again, this is a good thing, IMO. A good critic of the facts, sourcing, logic or style of any post can be excellent feedback -- to the poster and indirectly for all readers. It can, and does, IMO, raise the averall quality of posts in the longrun. A more diverse group and set of posts will also bring out a wider range of styles of criticism (criticism as in film, food, literature or design 'criticism'. Over the years, some are more refined, some cruder. Though crude to some may be simply a missing of context. If you read thread selectively, and suddenly read an (intended) satire of a prior post, you may think it is totally bizzarre, out of placeB and rude. But that may be your lack -- you don't get the references and allusions. It may be a quite insightful critique of a prior post -- but due to your limited vision and reading, it appears crude. Also, if you peg aka sterotype someone as crude often it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will find evidence of crudeness everywhere. But if read from a fresh-field, you may find humor and/or reasonable criticism. Bummer. Bummerness is structured in consciousness. So I can't sympathize with your plight too much. You have as many, perhaps many times more quality posts now, compared to the past, and your missing of seeing quality in bad posters may be due to your own shortcomings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hagelin film now even bleeping better!
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=29460 And then, of course, there's Ramtha himself, the 35,000 year-old Lemurian warrior who is channeled by a superrich, puffy-faced blond woman from Yelm named JZ Knight. Ramtha appears in the film, speaks in a wacky brogue, and puffs away on a Sherlock Holmesstyle pipe. But sadly, he does not dance. Whatever put this idea into my head, you might ask? Quoth the press notes: Noted parapsychologists Ian Wickramasekera and Stanley Krippner of Saybrook Graduate School repeatedly observed that while JZ Knight is channeling Ramtha, her brain-wave state shifts from beta (a normal waking state) to delta (deepest sleep). Although operating from delta, Ramtha is able to talk, walk, eat, drink, and dance using JZ's lower cerebellum. God, would I shell out to see two and a half hours of that. Dance, Ramtha, dance! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
on 2/2/06 2:03 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really disagree. About 2-3 years ago the posts/post-ers on this site were far superior to what they have been for some time now. I cannot recall the names of all the post-ers from that era but I always enjoyed reading Doug Hamilton's quotes, Rick was a much more active poster and his posts usually had much more meat to them than more recently. My work load is greater and I need to stay more focused, so I just spot-read posts here and do hit-and-run responses much of the time. LB hasn't been reading lately. He always posted quality stuff. He and Thom Krystofiak (I think) had a great debate about karma a couple of years ago. I also like Irmeli's and Ingegard's stuff. Back to work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion etiquette guide
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: If you spill a stranger's drink by accident, it is good manners (and prudent) to offer to buy another, a section entitled Pubs advises. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/international/01letter.html Uh, this is called flaming in internet lingo. Though it reminds me that Newcastle Brown is an excellent beer! Quoting an article in the NY Times, usually considered to be the standard-setter in journalism, despite the Blair scandal etc., hardly qualifies as flaming ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming ). I'm not serious, of course, about the Brits being the only people who live low and deplorable lives -- it's the Kaliyuga, all countries are territories of evil - - but it is legitimate to remind people that life is lived at just about the lowest level possible without Mother Earth trying to shrug off her burden. MMY's characterization of the UK as scorpionland is just symbolic of the whole reason why he has made TM less accessible in every country except India (India is a mess, but it's the only country that can initiate the transition to a Sat Yuga level of orderliness). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html It is in the eye of the beholder, Bob, literally. Even the most sattvic and enlightened souls can recognize the low level of life lived in the mud of the Kaliyuga. The world is said to be bliss to the enlightened, but that does not mean that there is no recognition of the suffering and ignorance prevalent on the planet. And it only out of compassion that great saints like Guru Dev and MMY leave their peaceful lives of bliss in seclusion and come out into the world to free the ignorant from the burden of suffering. Guru Dev and MMY didn't just come out and smile and say life is bliss, although certainly that is what they were living -- they offered a practical way for householders to also live a life of bliss. Unfortunately, the growth of the TM movement cannot proceed in an ugly world except by fits and starts -- it's too challenging to people living in darkness -- so that's why MMY has withdrawn TM -- to one degree or another, from all countries except India (where the price of instruction is affordable for everybody). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html I didn't realize you had posted the link to remind all of us that there is mud and evil and all that in the world. I recognize that- Liberation is impossible without passing through the great world of darkness. Having said that, and now realizing the intent of your message, why is it necessary to point out the negative attributes of this world when they are as you say, so endemic? If negativity is self evident to all in this world, what benefit is there to point it out? * Because the extreme negativity of the world today requires specific strategy on the part of saints who want to enlighten the earth, namely a gradual approach to unfolding enlightenment values, an approach which has necessitated completely cutting off the UK from TM activities and raising the price everywhere except India, another de facto cut-off: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light Most meditators are completely fed up with TM-movement policies, without seeing the big picture of the Divine Plan which MMY explained in the 60s (see link above). My pointing this out is useful to those folks who like TM but don't see any utility in policies which obviously limit the growth of the movement. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
on 2/2/06 2:45 PM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 2:03 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really disagree. About 2-3 years ago the posts/post-ers on this site were far superior to what they have been for some time now. I cannot recall the names of all the post-ers from that era but I always enjoyed reading Doug Hamilton's quotes, Rick was a much more active poster and his posts usually had much more meat to them than more recently. My work load is greater and I need to stay more focused, so I just spot-read posts here and do hit-and-run responses much of the time. LB hasn't been reading lately. He always posted quality stuff. He and Thom Krystofiak (I think) had a great debate about karma a couple of years ago. I also like Irmeli's and Ingegard's stuff. Back to work. Also, I'm taking tabla lessons and like to practice every night if possible. Here a tidbit: I was playing tablas with a little bhajan group and a friend came up to me afterwards and told me that when he was on International Staff, they used to smuggle cash from country to country in tablas. They'd take the heads off, stuff them with large denomination bills, and take them as luggage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] LBS, Phil Goldberg, Vashti, yah, those were some great posts/dialogues. LB had a lot to say and said it well; for the time Phil posted here it was a much higher form of post until people started attacking him because his PhD was not from an accredited institution. Vashti's posts (other than her and Rory rehashing their past personal relationship on FF life) were great, I always loved it when she posted. thanks for thinking my blah blah blah re: MDG was kinda funny. I cracked myself up with it. Rudra Joe (Kirk) occasionally had an amazingly poignant post but you really had to wade through a pile of what became increasingly vile posts. I don't really have much to say anymore, maybe that's what has happened to most of us. Like Rick mentioned in one of his responses to this point, I have way too many responsibilities, more than ever, to take time to think of something good to say. I miss Doug Hamilton's posts the most of all. and others who have left. But also, as I recall, a fair amount of mediocre stuff. Rudra Joe comes to mind, IMO. 10% of his stuff was great, the rest not worth the read, IMO. And who can forget Ron F. His flood of silly and inconsequential posts makes spraig's flow seem like a small trickle. (referring to quantity. I like some of spraig's content.) And while some of Rory's early stuff was of interest, he would at times (this is two years back) post a river of Madame Blavatsky rifs that was IMO self-indulgant and not very useful (to me, and I gather from the comments to most others). And MDG would often post what seemed to 10-page regurgitations of advanced lectures. Old stuff most of us heard, or gave ourselves. And that california Doctor, can't recall his name, was one of the most ripping and IMO negative posters ever. The good old days may be like the grass thats always greener. I think the amt immigrants have introduced personal attacks as a much more practiced form of post. Though outside of these, they can have useful things to say. Another issue is length. It seems to me, some of the better posts 2-3 years ago were a page or two. Well thought out, developed, new insights. Yet, today, most people complain if posts are too long -- or skip them. Quality diologue comes from people taking the time to read and absorb longer posts, and to read the whole thread. Then they have a basis to make insightful comments. If anything, some readers today -- who long for better posts -- are like fast-food eaters. They skim a few posts in a thread, make some irrelevant and sometimes quite silly, out-in-space comments that detract from the thread, not contributing to it. No one is a guest the at Hotel FFL. There is not a staff to cater to your whims. If you want better quality, content, logic and manners, then start doing so yourselves -- both for orginal topics and thoughtful useful feedback and commentaries. If everyone here felt and acted as a host and not a guest to be served, I think we could (again ?) have a five-star hotel. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) --- anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really disagree. About 2-3 years ago the posts/post-ers on this site were far superior to what they have been for some time now. I cannot recall the names of all the post-ers from that era but I always enjoyed reading Doug Hamilton's quotes, Rick was a much more active poster and his posts usually had much more meat to them than more recently. Mark Meredith nearly always had something insightful to offer, Patrick Gillam's posts were always crystal clear (not to mention always editorially correct). Bob Brigante, who used to snarl a lot always had information packed posts. To me that has been lost in some of the endless blather that passes for posts on this site more recently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, I see it entirely differently now. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Preach on, Brother. I agree with everything said below. And do feel like much of FFL has been hijacked and taken to an entirely different tone and tenor from what it used to be. ... And this latter group are responsible for over half the entire postings. Compared to two years ago, there are now 2-10 times the number posts, compared on monthly basis, than then. So half of the new postings are to your liking. Lets assume you enjoyed 100% of posts two years ago (hard to believe). So you now have 1-5 times as many good posts, in your view. So your gripe and grief has nothing to do with the quantity of good posts, but apparently that you now have to schroll a bit more. Poor Baby! :) You could simple choose e-mail subscriptions and use filters for your undesirables -- though you may miss a lot. There are several people whose posts I consistently open because I know that there will be something of value in what they write. Conversely, there are a half-a-dozen or maybe a little more, whose posts I almost always skip because they are consistently carping on someone else's post (from the same half dozen). One person's carping is anothers insightful critique. I believe the FFL population contains a wider range of views and backgrounds compared to two years ago. This is a good thing, IMO. A wider range of views will naturally bring out a wider range of critiques. Again, this is a good thing, IMO. A good critic of the facts, sourcing, logic or style of any post can be excellent feedback -- to the poster and indirectly for all readers. It can, and does, IMO, raise the averall quality of posts in the longrun. A more diverse group and set of posts will also bring out a wider range of styles of criticism (criticism as in film, food, literature or design 'criticism'. Over the years, some are more refined, some cruder. Though crude to some may be simply a missing of context. If you read thread selectively, and suddenly read an (intended) satire of a prior post, you may think it is totally bizzarre, out of placeB and rude. But that may be your lack -- you don't get the references and allusions. It may be a quite insightful critique of a prior post -- but due to your limited vision and reading, it appears crude. Also, if you peg aka sterotype someone as crude often it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will find evidence of crudeness everywhere. But if read from a fresh-field, you may find humor and/or reasonable criticism. Bummer. Bummerness is structured in consciousness. So I can't sympathize with your plight too much. You have as many, perhaps many times more quality posts now, compared to the past, and your missing of seeing quality in bad posters may be due to your own shortcomings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) speaking strictly for myself, I think that is the total truth. Ran out of steam, just trying to make do (not do-do) daily. --- anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really disagree. About 2-3 years ago the posts/post-ers on this site were far superior to what they have been for some time now. I cannot recall the names of all the post-ers from that era but I always enjoyed reading Doug Hamilton's quotes, Rick was a much more active poster and his posts usually had much more meat to them than more recently. Mark Meredith nearly always had something insightful to offer, Patrick Gillam's posts were always crystal clear (not to mention always editorially correct). Bob Brigante, who used to snarl a lot always had information packed posts. To me that has been lost in some of the endless blather that passes for posts on this site more recently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Thank you, I see it entirely differently now. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavismarek@ wrote: Preach on, Brother. I agree with everything said below. And do feel like much of FFL has been hijacked and taken to an entirely different tone and tenor from what it used to be. ... And this latter group are responsible for over half the entire postings. Compared to two years ago, there are now 2-10 times the number posts, compared on monthly basis, than then. So half of the new postings are to your liking. Lets assume you enjoyed 100% of posts two years ago (hard to believe). So you now have 1-5 times as many good posts, in your view. So your gripe and grief has nothing to do with the quantity of good posts, but apparently that you now have to schroll a bit more. Poor Baby! :) You could simple choose e-mail subscriptions and use filters for your undesirables -- though you may miss a lot. There are several people whose posts I consistently open because I know that there will be something of value in what they write. Conversely, there are a half-a-dozen or maybe a little more, whose posts I almost always skip because they are consistently carping on someone else's post (from the same half dozen). One person's carping is anothers insightful critique. I believe the FFL population contains a wider range of views and backgrounds compared to two years ago. This is a good thing, IMO. A wider range of views will naturally bring out a wider range of critiques. Again, this is a good thing, IMO. A good critic of the facts, sourcing, logic or style of any post can be excellent feedback -- to the poster and indirectly for all readers. It can, and does, IMO, raise the averall quality of posts in the longrun. A more diverse group and set of posts will also bring out a wider range of styles of criticism (criticism as in film, food, literature or design 'criticism'. Over the years, some are more refined, some cruder. Though crude to some may be simply a missing of context. If you read thread selectively, and suddenly read an (intended) satire of a prior post, you may think it is totally bizzarre, out of placeB and rude. But that may be your lack -- you don't get the references and allusions. It may be a quite insightful critique of a prior post -- but due to your limited vision and reading, it appears crude. Also, if you peg aka sterotype someone as crude often it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will find evidence of crudeness everywhere. But if read from a fresh-field, you may find humor and/or reasonable criticism. Bummer. Bummerness is structured in consciousness. So I can't sympathize with your plight too much. You have as many, perhaps many times more quality posts now, compared to the past, and your missing of seeing quality in bad posters may be due to your own shortcomings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
[FairfieldLife] 'We don't have to fight the darkness: we just bring the light,'
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now. on 2/2/06 3:04 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would they need to smuggle cash--or anything else? To avoid having to pay the fees or taxes you have to pay when moving money from country to country. At least thats my understanding. Sal On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Also, I'm taking tabla lessons and like to practice every night if possible. Here a tidbit: I was playing tablas with a little bhajan group and a friend came up to me afterwards and told me that when he was on International Staff, they used to smuggle cash from country to country in tablas. They'd take the heads off, stuff them with large denomination bills, and take them as luggage. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Gayatri Mantra
No scholar here, but I believe earth is bhuh. The h on the end is a silibant which becomes r juxtaposed with the next b sound due to sandhi. Om bhurbhuvah... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sanskrit scholars! I've got a question for you. In transliterations of the Gayatri mantra I have seen the first word after om phonetically spelled either Bhur or Bhu. Which one is correct? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) Maybe we should shut FFL down for a year, all go to our rooms,take a good nap, round some, take care of personal lives, then commence again. Or maybe we should just send the naughty ones to their rooms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 3:04 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would they need to smuggle cash--or anything else? To avoid having to pay the fees or taxes you have to pay when moving money from country to country. At least that¹s my understanding. *** There are probably few countries that impose legitimate fees or taxes on moving money -- it's more likely that it was done to avoid paying bribes to customs officials when they saw a large amount of currency there for dipping into. When you leave/enter the USA, you need to declare whether you have more than $10K in cash/etc., or you could be heavily fined, but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe, unlike many countries around the world where this is SOP: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml Sal On Feb 2, 2006, at 2:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Also, I'm taking tabla lessons and like to practice every night if possible. Here a tidbit: I was playing tablas with a little bhajan group and a friend came up to me afterwards and told me that when he was on International Staff, they used to smuggle cash from country to country in tablas. They'd take the heads off, stuff them with large denomination bills, and take them as luggage. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Global Good News gets accurate
Usually GGN reprints all articles touting meditation as being about TM, whether they are or not, but a recent post goes accurate: Global Good News comment: Although only the study on 'younger biological age' was credited to the Transcendental Meditation Technique, virtually all of the research listed above is research that has been conducted on the Transcendental Meditation Technique. This research can be viewed online at www.tm.org. There have been more than 600 scientific research studies conducted at more than 200 universities and independent research institutions in 35 countries validating the benefits the Transcendental Meditation Technique for mind, body, behaviour, and environment. http://www.globalgoodnews.com/health-news-a.html?art=1138212632795495 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Denmark - the Land of Utopia
If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
Very true, Bob. They leave all that to the politicians. Sal On Feb 2, 2006, at 3:38 PM, bbrigante wrote: but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
on 2/2/06 3:38 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are probably few countries that impose legitimate fees or taxes on moving money -- it's more likely that it was done to avoid paying bribes to customs officials when they saw a large amount of currency there for dipping into. When you leave/enter the USA, you need to declare whether you have more than $10K in cash/etc., or you could be heavily fined, but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe, unlike many countries around the world where this is SOP: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml So moving money from Spain to Switzerland, which Leon Weiner was arrested for doing, would have involved paying a bribe to some officials? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) I was thinking the same thing- completely *gone* Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
LBS, Phil Goldberg, Vashti, yah, those were some great posts/dialogues. snip Rudra Joe (Kirk) occasionally had an amazingly poignant post but you really had to wade through a pile of what became increasingly vile posts. snip I miss Doug Hamilton's posts the most of all. Don't forget Rudrani. Definitely don't forget Rudrani. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Well, for starters your posts always seem to me to be reasonably polite, which is welcome. Thanks. I think if posters maintained politeness that would be a really good way forward. Politeness is usually a more effective way of communicating and critiquing another's posts. Delete the part after 'and' and it's still true. We all get sucked into lower levels of communication, or the simulation thereof, from time to time. I grew up in the Deep South. It has its minusses; it has its plusses. Among the plusses is the generally-accepted code of social behavior of being Southern. Great care is given to etiquette. There are ways of doing things that facilitate communication and there are ways of doing things that hinder it. I have been guilty of the latter more than most. But the former is more fun. If more people (including myself) made a conscious effort to be a little more mindful when dashing off posts to FFL, I suspect it would be a very different place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been on forums way back to CompuServe in the early 1980's. On all groups over the years I subscribe to there would be flare-ups over how people post and the value of what they post. These would always simmer down and the discussion group would return to normal. Absolutely. ALL of them. It doesn't matter HOW pedestrian and non-controversial the discussion groups are -- for example, alt.too.over.the.top. to.work.in.the.real.world.AI.nerd on Usenet. I work with these guys. They don't *have* a personal life, other than online. But they display the same behaviors that people who *do* have personal lives display in *their* lives. One person's *brilliant observations* can be another person's snore. Absofuckinglutely. And that's just fine. We all have the things we resonate with, and the things we don't. A resonant thread appears on FFL. and you groove with it; a dissonant thread appears, and you don't. What is important to me as an occassional contrib- utor, is that you've got that *choice*. You can follow up on the resonant threads, and ignore the dissonant ones. No value judgement either way. TM'ers, by and large being Saraswati worshipers tend to overvalue the intellect... I could not agree more. ...in spite of what Maharishi taught on that. I could not diagree more. There is what Maharishi taught audibly, in the lectures that were deemed worthy of being preserved for posterity, and then there was what Maharishi taught by allowing it to exist and flourish within his organization. He not only allowed overvaluing the intellect, he supported it often enough that it became the accepted norm. And that's sad, in my estimation. It didn't have to be that way. Intellect could have been presented as just another way of looking at things, as it is in many spiritual trips. IMHO, Rick, to his credit, maintains a reasonably loose discussion group here. It is a group that fills a need. I could not agree more. It's a forum on which -- be it for good or bad -- You Can Say Whatever The Fuck You Want To Other TMers And Get Away With It. That's a neat thing. No TM brownshirters ready to pounce on you for saying someting Off The Program. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
The Punch 'n' Judy, crocodile policeman stuff is what really exhausts, but for those who want to, there is still no end of material to chew on and ponder which relates to TM, MMY and his guru, not even been touched upon here. I have produced a resource of a set of webpages offering most of the known material of Guru Dev and have offered up translation of recently discovered texts at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm But, with the exception of the 'OM' debate, it has stimulated very little response here on FFL. It would be interesting to hear some of the issues discussed here. Perhaps, That's the way to do it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) I was thinking the same thing- completely *gone* Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) speaking strictly for myself, I think that is the total truth. Ran out of steam, just trying to make do (not do-do) daily. Right on. In a very real sense, isn't that why we all (or many of us, anyway) got tired of the TM movement? It was just the same old same old, over and over. The Next Big Thing was really the Last Big Thing with a different 'skin.' In my experience, truly unique and thougtful posts, done on a consistent basis, can change the whole tone of an Internet discussion group such as this. If you've got a direction you think it would be interesting to explore for a while, post away... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
on 2/2/06 5:51 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Punch 'n' Judy, crocodile policeman stuff is what really exhausts, but for those who want to, there is still no end of material to chew on and ponder which relates to TM, MMY and his guru, not even been touched upon here. I have produced a resource of a set of webpages offering most of the known material of Guru Dev and have offered up translation of recently discovered texts at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm But, with the exception of the 'OM' debate, it has stimulated very little response here on FFL. It would be interesting to hear some of the issues discussed here. Perhaps, That's the way to do it. Whether or not anyone takes you up on this offer, perhaps you could give us links or paste text of some points that you consider most fascinating. That might get some discussion going. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 5:51 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have produced a resource of a set of webpages offering most of the known material of Guru Dev and have offered up translation of recently discovered texts at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm But, with the exception of the 'OM' debate, it has stimulated very little response here on FFL. It would be interesting to hear some of the issues discussed here. Perhaps, That's the way to do it. Whether or not anyone takes you up on this offer, perhaps you could give us links or paste text of some points that you consider most fascinating. That might get some discussion going. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have produced a resource of a set of webpages offering most of the known material of Guru Dev http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm excellent site. It would be interesting to hear some of the issues discussed here. In The Real Thing .. it said SBS did not accept darshan of women. Do you have quotes reflecting his views on women, their role, etc. Also, I have seen other shanks accept darshan of woman. Is SBS view and practice more an exception or more the rule in shank maths. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've got a direction you think it would be interesting to explore for a while, post away... While always a good thing, over the years, posters of new directions and deeper, well-thought-out posts have observed after doing do, they often get little response. Pauls recent post about his site is a good example. While not all new direction / deeper posts merit much comment, I know I often read a good post and just say good post to myself and move on. Quality posts and posters will be encouraged if they receive feedback. Its not a flattery or ego thing, its just some basic feedback and response to communicate message received. And a few comments or questions on the post will stimulate more quality discussion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scorpion etiquette guide
England seems to be a hotbed of spiritual activity these days, with none of the other organizations pulling up stakes. Are they all missing the big picture of the Divine Plan? Are they, as the True Believer would insist, having nothing to contribute? --- bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: If you spill a stranger's drink by accident, it is good manners (and prudent) to offer to buy another, a section entitled Pubs advises. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/01/international/01letter.html Uh, this is called flaming in internet lingo. Though it reminds me that Newcastle Brown is an excellent beer! Quoting an article in the NY Times, usually considered to be the standard-setter in journalism, despite the Blair scandal etc., hardly qualifies as flaming ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming ). I'm not serious, of course, about the Brits being the only people who live low and deplorable lives -- it's the Kaliyuga, all countries are territories of evil - - but it is legitimate to remind people that life is lived at just about the lowest level possible without Mother Earth trying to shrug off her burden. MMY's characterization of the UK as scorpionland is just symbolic of the whole reason why he has made TM less accessible in every country except India (India is a mess, but it's the only country that can initiate the transition to a Sat Yuga level of orderliness). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html It is in the eye of the beholder, Bob, literally. Even the most sattvic and enlightened souls can recognize the low level of life lived in the mud of the Kaliyuga. The world is said to be bliss to the enlightened, but that does not mean that there is no recognition of the suffering and ignorance prevalent on the planet. And it only out of compassion that great saints like Guru Dev and MMY leave their peaceful lives of bliss in seclusion and come out into the world to free the ignorant from the burden of suffering. Guru Dev and MMY didn't just come out and smile and say life is bliss, although certainly that is what they were living -- they offered a practical way for householders to also live a life of bliss. Unfortunately, the growth of the TM movement cannot proceed in an ugly world except by fits and starts -- it's too challenging to people living in darkness -- so that's why MMY has withdrawn TM -- to one degree or another, from all countries except India (where the price of instruction is affordable for everybody). Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html I didn't realize you had posted the link to remind all of us that there is mud and evil and all that in the world. I recognize that- Liberation is impossible without passing through the great world of darkness. Having said that, and now realizing the intent of your message, why is it necessary to point out the negative attributes of this world when they are as you say, so endemic? If negativity is self evident to all in this world, what benefit is there to point it out? * Because the extreme negativity of the world today requires specific strategy on the part of saints who want to enlighten the earth, namely a gradual approach to unfolding enlightenment values, an approach which has necessitated completely cutting off the UK from TM activities and raising the price everywhere except India, another de facto cut-off: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light Most meditators are completely fed up with TM-movement policies, without seeing the big picture of the Divine Plan which MMY explained in the 60s (see link above). My pointing this out is useful to those folks who like TM but don't see any utility in policies which obviously limit the growth of the movement. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates2006.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
There are more satsangs to be translated. I don't know much about Shankaracharyas, but generally speaking the world of sadhus and swamis has changed a lot since Guru Dev's time. Many use the internet, hold post office accounts and fraternise, but that is not to say they are any less sincere than seekers fifty years ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I have produced a resource of a set of webpages offering most of the known material of Guru Dev http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm excellent site. It would be interesting to hear some of the issues discussed here. In The Real Thing .. it said SBS did not accept darshan of women. Do you have quotes reflecting his views on women, their role, etc. Also, I have seen other shanks accept darshan of woman. Is SBS view and practice more an exception or more the rule in shank maths. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
I heard MMY say (or perhaps Charlie or Jerry say that MMY said) that all faiths would come to SBS for blessings and instructions. And being a sat-guru, world teacher, he could teach anyone in a way that was consistent with their faith and would help them. Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists all came to him and got upliftment and methods they could use. In that context, I assume most of the lectures you have are to devout hindus. So he extolls hindu shastras. In giving advice and techniques to christians and muslims, presumably he focused on their path. And if we are to believe conventional wisdom (tales from MMY), SBS gave MMY a path for householders -- world wide. Presumably this was not the mainstream things he taught his monks to do, nor devout hindu audiences. As a world teacher, it would be natural for him to have many messages for many paths, pehaps for many mountains. (Process = Product). Do your researches indicate any of this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/2/06 5:51 PM, Premanand Paul Mason at premanandpaul@ wrote: I have produced a resource of a set of webpages offering most of the known material of Guru Dev and have offered up translation of recently discovered texts at:- http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm But, with the exception of the 'OM' debate, it has stimulated very little response here on FFL. It would be interesting to hear some of the issues discussed here. Perhaps, That's the way to do it. Whether or not anyone takes you up on this offer, perhaps you could give us links or paste text of some points that you consider most fascinating. That might get some discussion going. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:31 PM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. One of his primary disciples--actually the person who was elected to the position of Shankaracharya, Sw. Karpatri, who insisted SBS be given the position--was also very traditional like his guru (SBS). All westerners were considered "mlecchas" and although they were allowed to receive teachings, they had to sit at the back of the room with the untouchables. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:54 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:And if we are to believe conventional wisdom (tales from MMY), SBS gave MMY a path for householders -- world wide. Presumably this was not the mainstream things he taught his monks to do, nor devout hindu audiences. In spending a good amount of time with some of the western swamis who were all initiated by the Shankaracharya of the south I can tell you none of these people were using mantras for meditation--they were all doing a higher form of meditation to quickly realize Brahman. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:54 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: And if we are to believe conventional wisdom (tales from MMY), SBS gave MMY a path for householders -- world wide. Presumably this was not the mainstream things he taught his monks to do, nor devout hindu audiences. In spending a good amount of time with some of the western swamis who were all initiated by the Shankaracharya of the south I can tell you none of these people were using mantras for meditation--they were all doing a higher form of meditation to quickly realize Brahman. I stumbled into the Kalachakra week-long teaching given by HHDL in Sarnath -- with the sand painting of the mandala and all. Meditation on that, or mastery of it, is said to do great things. It is so detailed and intricate. To practice and master goking it, did seem a lot more sophisticated than TM. Then again TM's dogma is simplicity is the key. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/2/06 3:38 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are probably few countries that impose legitimate fees or taxes on moving money -- it's more likely that it was done to avoid paying bribes to customs officials when they saw a large amount of currency there for dipping into. When you leave/enter the USA, you need to declare whether you have more than $10K in cash/etc., or you could be heavily fined, but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe, unlike many countries around the world where this is SOP: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml So moving money from Spain to Switzerland, which Leon Weiner was arrested for doing, would have involved paying a bribe to some officials? Possibly if he had declared the money when leaving Spain, as he would have to do when leaving the USA, there might have been a concern about having to pay a bribe to Spanish officials at that time -- although there would not have been a problem with having to pay a bribe to a Swiss customs guard, there might well have been a tradition of having to pay off poorly paid Spaniards (Spain in the 70s was pretty poor, no senor?). You are not presenting any evidence of any law requiring payment of fees on transfer of money between countries, and if there were no such fee, then it would be hard to explain why it was necessary to hide the money. Possibly, there was concern about being targeted for a robbery. I remember at MIU in the 70s, Jacob Hahn, the cashier, used to take a different route to the bank from MIU every day to make cash deposits. Even if Spanish guards would not hit you up for a bribe, they might tip off criminals at the passenger's destination. It would also not to be safe to put money in checked baggage, obviously, there is all kinds of theft even in the U.S. from checked baggage to this day. And there is also a problem with other passengers seeing that you have a lot of money -- theft from carryon baggage happens too, easy to do when the courier is sitting in TM. Bottom line: where's your proof to support your thesis that there are laws which require payment of fees to transfer money? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possibly if he had declared the money when leaving Spain, as he would have to do when leaving the USA, there might have been a concern about having to pay a bribe to Spanish officials at that time I think the issue was transfer fees -- most countries have them, it was in an Italy to US transfer I witnessed. However, spanish border guards were a bit daunting if not scary 1n 1970. I took the train unmfrom France to Spain in late 1970. Franco was still in power. Spain was not a human rights citidel. The border guards stopped me, took me to a small back room, ask me some things in broken english, called others over. Took me to another back room. Much to do going on, convos in spanish among guards. It dragged on and on. I played dumb because I was, I had no clue what the problem was. After some time, they just said go. Which I did. It was not until later it dawned on me they wanted bakshesh. But I was a young kid --first time in Europe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:14 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 2, 2006, at 7:54 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: And if we are to believe conventional wisdom (tales from MMY), SBS gave MMY a path for householders -- world wide. Presumably this was not the mainstream things he taught his monks to do, nor devout hindu audiences. In spending a good amount of time with some of the western swamis who were all initiated by the Shankaracharya of the south I can tell you none of these people were using mantras for meditation--they were all doing a higher form of meditation to quickly realize Brahman. I stumbled into the Kalachakra week-long teaching given by HHDL in Sarnath -- with the sand painting of the mandala and all. Meditation on that, or mastery of it, is said to do great things. It is so detailed and intricate. To practice and master "goking" it, did seem a lot more sophisticated than TM. Then again TM's dogma is simplicity is the key. The kalachakra-tantra is an anuttara tantra, as is Sri Vidya the path of SBS. And they both contain simple methods of meditation but also both go far beyond basic sitting practice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/2/06 3:38 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are probably few countries that impose legitimate fees or taxes on moving money -- it's more likely that it was done to avoid paying bribes to customs officials when they saw a large amount of currency there for dipping into. When you leave/enter the USA, you need to declare whether you have more than $10K in cash/etc., or you could be heavily fined, but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe, unlike many countries around the world where this is SOP: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml So moving money from Spain to Switzerland, which Leon Weiner was arrested for doing, would have involved paying a bribe to some officials? Possibly if he had declared the money when leaving Spain, as he would have to do when leaving the USA, there might have been a concern about having to pay a bribe to Spanish officials at that time -- although there would not have been a problem with having to pay a bribe to a Swiss customs guard, there might well have been a tradition of having to pay off poorly paid Spaniards (Spain in the 70s was pretty poor, no senor?). You are not presenting any evidence of any law requiring payment of fees on transfer of money between countries, and if there were no such fee, then it would be hard to explain why it was necessary to hide the money. Possibly, there was concern about being targeted for a robbery. I remember at MIU in the 70s, Jacob Hahn, the cashier, used to take a different route to the bank from MIU every day to make cash deposits. Even if Spanish guards would not hit you up for a bribe, they might tip off criminals at the passenger's destination. It would also not to be safe to put money in checked baggage, obviously, there is all kinds of theft even in the U.S. from checked baggage to this day. And there is also a problem with other passengers seeing that you have a lot of money -- theft from carryon baggage happens too, easy to do when the courier is sitting in TM. Bottom line: where's your proof to support your thesis that there are laws which require payment of fees to transfer money? I keep wondering why it would be necessary to transfer funds in *cash*, in physical bills. Why not deposit the money in a bank account and have the bank transfer the funds? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) speaking strictly for myself, I think that is the total truth. Ran out of steam, just trying to make do (not do-do) daily. Right on. In a very real sense, isn't that why we all (or many of us, anyway) got tired of the TM movement? It was just the same old same old, over and over. The Next Big Thing was really the Last Big Thing with a different 'skin.' In my experience, truly unique and thougtful posts, done on a consistent basis, can change the whole tone of an Internet discussion group such as this. If you've got a direction you think it would be interesting to explore for a while, post away... Since Roe-V-Wade in'73, there have been some 47 million people refused entry into the world. Now, these people are are not going to be paying into social security-- will the boomers feel a pinch with this or will what looks like the plan to eliminate the older segment of society make up for it? Being in the dinosaur category and,not having any payments or credit cards and, being off the grid, I have some hope of surviving. Planning to put in a bigger garden next year so probably could help out if things get too bad- on a small scale.. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Rick, here is a stream-of thinking answer to your suggestion. It is apparent when reading Guru Dev's satsangs that he was totally sold on the idea of everyone living by the Shastras. So it might be interesting to take a raincheck on that area. He really was quite adamantly against arbitrariness - caste was important as was ritual. He was highly unimpressed with science. He had a downer on Westerners. He seemed to have absolute belief in fatalism. He didn't seem to believe that just doing some worship or meditation was enough, he believed that living by the Shastras was totally necessary (sorry to come back to that first point - but it is so recurrent as to be inescapable). Okay, where were we. Oh yes, he most certainly was completely sold into the idea of rebirth and all the rest of Hinduism's basic beliefs, thus re-enforcing the idea that all things Hindu are right and fine and dandy. But often he makes it clear that he is repeating accepted wisdom. BUT that is entirely contrary to what I understand MMY has been saying. He has encouraged people to believe that being enlightened will give up the answers. i.e. it is consciousness not books that give the knowledge. Would Guru Dev have disagreed that consciousness is the ultimate source of knowledge? I have trouble believing that he would have. Perhaps what he was doing by emphasizing the shastras was giving his students/followers something to live by *until* they could depend on consciousness for knowledge. And if that's what he was telling them, he would have to live by the shastras' rules himself, would he not, to set an example? MMY actually does somewhat the same thing, by giving some general behavioral recommendations and then telling TMers to follow the scriptures of their religion, and/or the laws of the land, and/or the advice of their elders, if they are in doubt about the right thing to do. He doesn't specify a particular set of scriptures or laws because he wants to reach people of all religions (and no religion) and all nations. It is likely Guru Dev lived an exhalted inner existence and was incredibly at peace with himself. It is implicit in everything MMY says about his guru that we are to take it that he was enlightened. However, if one lives purely by rules, Shastras and convention and never makes decisions for oneself, in any real sense, the point of wanting enlightenment gets lost. People want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. On the other hand, I would suspect that once one attains complete inner freedom, having to follow external laws and rules isn't much of a pinch. Presumably we want to become enlightened not so we can be free of rules, but so rules can no longer impinge on our sense of freedom, which has become absolute and infinite. There must be something there worth discussing, other than the confused way I have laid out the ideas. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] consciousness rising in sat yuga
Rep. Charles Rangel, D-NY, who is African-American, was asked on public TV what he thought about the president. Well, he said, I really think that he shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [Fwd: Movement now owns two properties in the greater Asheville area!]
Looks good to me for there future here in the States as far as the return of Purusha is concerned.@ present some 20-30 are @ Livingston Manor NY. plans to build on th east side of Shandalle to commence in the Spring 06. There are now 40-60 in the Netherlands a ruffly equal # in India along with the Rajas for a month or so @ the ctr. of India. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- From: Dr. Pomfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Feb 02 20:05:36 CST 2006 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;@unspecified-domain Subject: Movement now owns two properties in the greater Asheville area! Hello,?We are happy to announce that today the Global Country of World Peace?purchased another beautiful parcel of mountain land near Asheville.? This is in addition to the previously purchased 68 acres. The new?land is about 700 acres and will serve as the new home for the?Thousand-Headed Purusha program. To celebrate this new victory for Natural Law in our area, all Sidhas?and Governors are invited to meet tomorrow (Friday)?for lunch at Greenlight?Cafe in downtown Black Mountain at 12:30. After lunch, everyone interested in?visiting the property is invited to meet at Truly Ball's house?at 2 o'clock. Directions to Truly's house: Take I-40 East to Exit 64. Take a right on Highway 9 South. Go 1.5 miles. Then take a left on Knoll Hill Lane. Her house is the second house on the right.?Jai Guru Dev?Tom, Jeanne, Truly, Sarah, Linda, Patrick and Elaine ---End Message---
[FairfieldLife] Black Mountain property is 15 minutes strait east of Ashville NC
Its some 700 acres there .Strait east of Asheville NC. on the side of Black Mountain less wind then on the top of a mountain, I note. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: test # one to see if we reconnect with U new eamil?
more Purusha news To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---BeginMessage--- Title: Re: test # one to see if we reconnect with U new eamil? Dear Bill, Good to hear from you. Yes, best to delete old email and use [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you may have heard by now, Purusha is on the move. We had been living in North Carolina for over 10 years, and as of this last weekend everyone is out. About 50 Purusha are gone to India, about 25 or so are in Livingston Manor in NY, and the largest group, about 80 are in Holland. We have heard that Mother Divine are in Vedic City. Maharishi invited a group of up to 50 Purusha to go to INDIA to participate in the month-long World Festival of Peace inaugurating the beginning of a the new World Capital of Peace--and then continue. Located in the center, or Brahmasthan, of India, in Madhya Pradesh, the World Capital of Peace will be a huge development that will be home to 16,000 Yogic-Flying Vedic Pandits. It expands on an existing facility where 2000-3000 Maharishi Vedic Pandits have already been based for some time now. This group of 16,000, along with five other groups of 8,000 in India (totaling 56,000), will create coherence for the whole world through their daily performance of Vedic yagyas for peace, and also, of course, their group practice of Maharishi's programs for enlightenment. Parliaments of World Peace will also be located there, to administer the whole world in enlightenment. Maharishi considers this inauguration to be of great historic importance for India and for the world, and to underscore that, and encourage the progress in building there, he sent almost all of his 22 Rajas of the Global Country of World Peace, as well as 50+ National Leaders from various countries, to India for the 4-week festival. When Maharishi came out of his annual week of silence Jan 8, in addition to the invitation to India, he made one other major announcement: that we are completing purchase of a parcel of land in North Carolina FOR PURUSHA, and that building will go ahead very quickly. We will see what becomes of that! As for my situation, at the end of December I was returning to North Carolina from Xmas vacation in Toronto, and had problems crossing the border into the US from Canada. They got fussy about my documents and said NO GO!. So now it sits that the next time I cross the border, I will have to provide proof of residency for over a year in Canada, and also proof that I am employed in Canada. This puts the nix on joining any Purusha group in the US for at least a year. Regarding going to India or Holland, I will have to delay that trip until I further evaluate my fathers health. He has prostate cancer and is being treated with chemo and hormone therapy. Prostate cancer is slow growing, and is treatable, but it runs in the family and my Dad's younger brother passed from this, so we are taking it seriously. The treatment my Dad is taking has knocked the psa count down for now, but the side effects of the treatment seem to be creating problems for him, especially in terms of mobility. This along with arthritis is slowing him down considerably. Over the last year he has been asking me to come up and be with him in Nanaimo. I have been putting this off as I was waiting to see what Purusha's destiny will be. I was hoping that we would be situated in North America where perhaps I could manage my fathers health situation from a relatively close distance. I can't do this from India or Holland. But I don't feel that I am out of the loop. I am working on a Purusha project with Neil so I am considering my stay here in Nanaimo as also a field project. As to when I can get back with the group, it depends on my Dad's situation. He is on a wait list for knee replacements, and perhaps when that happens, and his general health improves, then I will be free to go. This may be as soon as a few months but could be longer. It has been a little challenging to be away from the group, but I know that it is important and Dharmic to take care of one's Parents. Maharishi has always told us to take good care of our parents. So I will be in Canada taking care of my father for awhile. I know it is the right place for me to be right now. I appreciate your continued support. The fact is that a few strong sponsors had diminished their support last year, and I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 18Jan2006 Press Conference
at minute 30, MMY talks about higher states of consciousness in relation to the relative states at minute 47, Minister Feldman talks about spending $300 trillion on reconstruction of the world according to Sthapathya Veda standards at minute 58, the chairman of the Indology Dept at Germany's Tubingen University calls Maharishi Vedic University in Germany God-sent and says he will allow transfer of all credits from MVU to Tubingen Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more qualityposts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 2/2/06 3:38 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are probably few countries that impose legitimate fees or taxes on moving money -- it's more likely that it was done to avoid paying bribes to customs officials when they saw a large amount of currency there for dipping into. When you leave/enter the USA, you need to declare whether you have more than $10K in cash/etc., or you could be heavily fined, but there is just about zero possibility of a USA customs official asking for a bribe, unlike many countries around the world where this is SOP: http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/kbyg/money.xml So moving money from Spain to Switzerland, which Leon Weiner was arrested for doing, would have involved paying a bribe to some officials? Possibly if he had declared the money when leaving Spain, as he would have to do when leaving the USA, there might have been a concern about having to pay a bribe to Spanish officials at that time -- although there would not have been a problem with having to pay a bribe to a Swiss customs guard, there might well have been a tradition of having to pay off poorly paid Spaniards (Spain in the 70s was pretty poor, no senor?). You are not presenting any evidence of any law requiring payment of fees on transfer of money between countries, and if there were no such fee, then it would be hard to explain why it was necessary to hide the money. Possibly, there was concern about being targeted for a robbery. I remember at MIU in the 70s, Jacob Hahn, the cashier, used to take a different route to the bank from MIU every day to make cash deposits. Even if Spanish guards would not hit you up for a bribe, they might tip off criminals at the passenger's destination. It would also not to be safe to put money in checked baggage, obviously, there is all kinds of theft even in the U.S. from checked baggage to this day. And there is also a problem with other passengers seeing that you have a lot of money -- theft from carryon baggage happens too, easy to do when the courier is sitting in TM. Bottom line: where's your proof to support your thesis that there are laws which require payment of fees to transfer money? I keep wondering why it would be necessary to transfer funds in *cash*, in physical bills. Why not deposit the money in a bank account and have the bank transfer the funds? *** It may not have been legal to make such a transfer from a nonprofit entity in Spain to a nonprofit entity in Switzerland, tax laws and all that -- if that were the case, then bank wires would have been indadvisable. Or maybe it was just such a hassle to make a wire transfer and comply with all the requirements of the law in two countries that the TMO decided to run the risk of having their runner arrested. People used to yell at Guru Dev all the time because he would not respect fenced property, but would walk straight through people's land in his desired direction. No big deal, since the funds were used for TMO purposes regardless of the country where they were raised or spent. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: I agree with you. But perhaps we've rehashed the basic themes over so much that all we're left with is the seemingly endless nitpicking. Who knows. Maybe we're all exhausted ;-) speaking strictly for myself, I think that is the total truth. Ran out of steam, just trying to make do (not do-do) daily. Right on. In a very real sense, isn't that why we all (or many of us, anyway) got tired of the TM movement? It was just the same old same old, over and over. The Next Big Thing was really the Last Big Thing with a different 'skin.' In my experience, truly unique and thougtful posts, done on a consistent basis, can change the whole tone of an Internet discussion group such as this. If you've got a direction you think it would be interesting to explore for a while, post away... Since Roe-V-Wade in'73, there have been some 47 million people refused entry into the world. Now, these people are are not going to be paying into social security-- will the boomers feel a pinch with this or will what looks like the plan to eliminate the older segment of society make up for it? Being in the dinosaur category and,not having any payments or credit cards and, being off the grid, I have some hope of surviving. Planning to put in a bigger garden next year so probably could help out if things get too bad- on a small scale.. N. *** Not to worry, Illegal workers in the USA are subsidizing your retirement to the tune of $7 billion/year because they kick into the Social Security/Medicare fund, but can't collect when they get old: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: [Fwd: Movement now owns two properties in the greater Asheville area!]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks good to me for there future here in the States as far as the return of Purusha is concerned.@ present some 20-30 are @ Livingston Manor NY. plans to build on th east side of Shandalle to commence in the Spring 06. There are now 40-60 in the Netherlands a ruffly equal # in India along with the Rajas for a month or so @ the ctr. of India. So where is Shandalle? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: snipPeople want to feel free of the interminable rules and regulations, that's a big part of why they take a dive into the peace to be found beyond thinking. On the other hand, I would suspect that once one attains complete inner freedom, having to follow external laws and rules isn't much of a pinch. Presumably we want to become enlightened not so we can be free of rules, but so rules can no longer impinge on our sense of freedom, which has become absolute and infinite. Yep, you hit the nail on the head- the inner sense of freedom actually overtakes the freedom which can be expressed externally, so that there is an inexhaustable supply within. This makes it easy to express whatever we want to express, and to effortlessly withhold that which it is prudent to withhold. This creates the external impression that one who is enlightened is always in tune with his or her surroundings. I remember reading about some enlightened guy or another in some book talking about being able to play the appropriate part at all times. So very true! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Actually, there are far more quality posts now.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy
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I heard MMY say (or perhaps Charlie or Jerry say that MMY said) that
all faiths would come to SBS for blessings and instructions. And
being
a sat-guru, world teacher,
And, in addition to that, a jagad-guru...
1 jagat mfn. ( %{gam} redupl. Pa1n2. 3-2 , 178 Va1rtt. 3) moving ,
movable , locomotive , living RV. AV. c. ; (= %{jA4gata}) composed
in the Jagati1 metre RV. i , 164 , 23 Shad2vBr. i , 4 La1t2y. i , 8 ,
9 ; m. air , wind L. ; m. pl. people , mankind Ra1jat. (C) iii ,
494 ; n. that which moves or is alive , men and animals , animals as
opposed to men , men (Naigh. ii , 3) RV. AV. c. ([EMAIL PROTECTED] , `
within everybody's sight ' R. vii , 97 , 1 ; 5 and 10) ; the world ,
esp. this world , earth S3Br. Mn. c. ; the Jagati metre RV. i ,
164 , 25 ; N. of a Sa1man see - %{sAman} ; n. du. heaven and the
lower world Kir. v , 20 ; n. pl. the worlds (= %{-gat-traya}) Prab.
i , 10 ; people , mankind Kpr. x , 50/51 (Sa1h. and Kuval.) ; (%
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Denmark - the Land of Utopia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: If you have seen the News - Denmark has published some drawings of the Prophed Mohammed - the same did a little Magazine in Norway. And now the Muslims in the Arab Countries are furious about it, burning the Norwegian and Danish Flags - and is threatening. I think the Democracy and the Free Press is under pressure these days - and I am really worried for the result. Those few Drawings has been a political issue - it is amazing. Before that - MMY did put Denmark on the Top Ten List for Enligtenment.. Ingegerd I thought they were pretty funny, but the radical islamists don't have a very well developed sense of humor. The dangers of fundementalism and literalism and all that JohnY You have seen them? I have not. The Magazine that published the drawings in Norway is so small, that I did not even know they exist - but the Militants in Palestine knew, and now they proclaim to kill innocent people from Scandinavia. I remember MMY once had some remarks on different relegions, saying that Veda is the source for all relegions. The oldest one is Hinduism and the youngest Islam. All relegions will fall, and the youngest will fall first. Not without a fight, I think. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
