[FairfieldLife] The Two Ultimate Spiritual Experiences.
The Two Ultimate Spiritual Experiences. One can only talk from ones own personal experience of things, and you can never know what another person or animal experiences, and telling people or reading it, is not the same thing; and some tell the truth of things as they find it and some do not alas. Therefore many may not agree with my own findings (or as yet anyway), even though some have claimed to experience the identical things; so they have told me for the last forty years anyway. But not a lot of them. However, and be all that as it is; the two most profound spiritual experiences which I have known as thus are briefly mentioned here. Needless to say all life and all experience IS a spiritual and metaphysical experience although one would never guess it most of the time. The nature of reality does not issue things forth with names attached, but we have to attach them in order to communicate, so these two things could be called anything which you want to call them (Fred and Hilda, if you like). But, given that some in the past have known the two identical things which I myself have experienced (and mention here as my top two) I choose to call them that which I do call them. The penultimate spiritual experience is categorised as an Introverted Mystical Experience; (it takes place INWARDS) and I call it by two names, either (1) The Paradise Event; or (2) The Mystical Gnosis Event. This experience is one in which the observer experiences leaving the world behind and travels to a transcendent realm of being which is experienced to be beyond space and time, and whilst IN IT one cannot even remember ever having had existed on earth or even that an earth or anything other than IT exists. All memory of anything else is wiped clean for that duration (three hours in my own case). This is the experience which reveals the essence of our true condition of BEING after the resurrection of consciousness back into the ground of being. It does not change or evolve; it is pure primordial cognition. One cannot think there, one just has vision and understanding. The event is also known as The Mystic Death and Resurrection Event. But that which one KNOWS and understands whilst there has been called Gnosis or Reunion by many people for eons of time. No doubt other parts of the world and cultures have called it different things; but a Rose is a Rose by any other. So, this experience addresses the question of what we are and where we come from. But one knows nothing of the world or incarnation whilst there for all memory and personality is utterly obliterated whilst there kind of magic is that. I have described this in fine grain detail but alas it takes four chapters of a book, so one cannot do it here. However, the Ultimate, and most important spiritual experience of all (in my experience of things anyway) is the one which brings it all back to Earth again. For this joins the whole, transcendence and the here and now and the earth, and everything in existence. I call this by two names too. (1) The Reciprocal Convergence of BEING; or (2) The Paradise on Earth Event. I only knew this for one hour and could not take any more of it at the time. Moreover, I cannot describe it too well either, for it is too difficult, and nothing like I can describe the transcendent event. This experience is what for me is the ultimate Extroverted Mystical Experience. It happens on earth here and now. In a nutshell it is the union of that transcendant paradise state of being and Earth and daily consciousness, or the transcendent realm and this realm here and now all joined up in ONE event. It is like a closed gap in creation is opened up and the whole lot of it is united in ONE great cosmic dance with no alienation of the parts; and I (mind) am the dancer of the dance, the singer of the song,and the lover of the loved. It is amazing. It is not only a case of what one knows and feels and understands at the time but it also effects and changes the five external physical senses too. One can see this world different; and the light of Paradise itself is within everything, from my body (and other people) to a blade of grass, and the sky and the clouds, all of it. And one can hear more and smell more. Had I never had the other experience first (twenty years before this one) I would never have fully understood this one. But whereas the first experience in transcendence was about BEING this one is about BECOMING. Its is like the whole of existence is an implicate unfolding event and this is the culmination of all existence The Consummatum Incarnate it is achieved. But it could not happen without US, the Observer of the Observed. For IT needs us as much as we need IT for existence. It is a partnership in the process of BEING and BECOMINB in form as it is in essence and the Cosmic Principle at root. What affect does all this have afterwards? It is like the next stage
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Also new is the stuff at the bottom, which, when you click the one on the left, shows all the messages for that topic threaded, which will make finding older ones a lot easier. You could arrange them in thread order in the old format too. The Up Thread option was very precise because it tracked specific conversations, so you didn't have to wade through all the posts in the thread to find the one you were looking for. There are uses for both a thread-order option and an Up Thread option. There was no reason to get rid of the Up Thread one. If you look at the view all messages option I don't even *see* a View all messages option. Where did you find it? , the older/newer messages options go in different directions than the previous/next message option when you're reading individual messages. Someone needs to read a few books on human interface design, and the trade offs between implementing radically new designs and keeping older, less efficient designs. Unless you're talking about an Apple Computer, which had Nazi-like control of the interface (the interface gurus were called interface-nazis by the Mac programming community), trying to implement a completely new design is foolish. Even more foolish is keeping some arbitrary elements around that are completely inconsistent with the new interface and actually contradict it. There's lots of valid ways of designing and transitioning to a new interface. This isn't one of them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
...and where's the always-valuable up thread link button? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Also new is the stuff at the bottom, which, when you click the one on the left, shows all the messages for that topic threaded, which will make finding older ones a lot easier. You could arrange them in thread order in the old format too. The Up Thread option was very precise because it tracked specific conversations, so you didn't have to wade through all the posts in the thread to find the one you were looking for. There are uses for both a thread-order option and an Up Thread option. There was no reason to get rid of the Up Thread one. If you look at the view all messages option I don't even *see* a View all messages option. Where did you find it? , the older/newer messages options go in different directions than the previous/next message option when you're reading individual messages. Someone needs to read a few books on human interface design, and the trade offs between implementing radically new designs and keeping older, less efficient designs. Unless you're talking about an Apple Computer, which had Nazi- like control of the interface (the interface gurus were called interface-nazis by the Mac programming community), trying to implement a completely new design is foolish. Even more foolish is keeping some arbitrary elements around that are completely inconsistent with the new interface and actually contradict it. There's lots of valid ways of designing and transitioning to a new interface. This isn't one of them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Neckware inspired by inner consciousness
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[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and where's the always-valuable up thread link button? Crap software, a real step backwards. They haven't even figured out how to turn on the feature that shows the links that have already been read in a different color. God, I hate it when a big company gives a project like this to some software newbie who doesn't know his ass from a user interface. Maybe Yahoo decided that helping to put journalists in China in jail wasn't enough damage to their rep, and they had to go for the Full Monty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neckware inspired by inner consciousness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Image Hosting by Vendio] My Jerry Garcia ties are much better. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Well, the funny thing was, he would try to change his writing style and tone so he'd appear to be a different person. Maybe he got the idea from Barry, who used to do the same back in the day. But neither of them were very good at it, and they couldn't sustain the new persona for very long. Only Judy could interpret changing ISPs and thus one's screen name as an attempt to fool her. Paranoia is entertaining. :-) Just for the fun of it, let's put Ms. I'm Honest And You're Not to the test here. Go back and find all of the userids you think I've used on a.m.t. or here and post them. I'll tell you how many of them were really me and how many of them were projections of your own paranoia. Either that, or retract the slam above. Put up or shut up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Also new is the stuff at the bottom, which, when you click the one on the left, shows all the messages for that topic threaded, which will make finding older ones a lot easier. You could arrange them in thread order in the old format too. The Up Thread option was very precise because it tracked specific conversations, so you didn't have to wade through all the posts in the thread to find the one you were looking for. There are uses for both a thread-order option and an Up Thread option. There was no reason to get rid of the Up Thread one. If you look at the view all messages option I don't even *see* a View all messages option. Where did you find it? The message list link. When you first log in, its called something else. I'm starting to get the impression that someone implemented a half-finished upgrade to the interface without noticing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Has anyone read 'Mipam?'
You're a learned bunch. It is billed as the first novel written especially for Western readers by a Tibetan Lama. And it's delightful; I'm enjoying it thoroughly. However, there seems to be some controversy over who really wrote it. Lama Yongden, the purported author, was a real Tibetan Lama. However, he was also the adopted son of Alexandra David-Neel, and lived most of his life in her household. There is speculation that either they worked together on it or that she really wrote it and released it under her son's name. So far, I'm inclined to go with the latter theory. That said, *whoever* wrote it has a wry sense of humor that I thoroughly appreciate. And it does show a knowledge of Tibetan culture that is missing from most books about it during that period (1938) or any other. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The USA and Fundies
Well Cat, we obviously do not have as much experience of this plagueover here as you do over there (maybe just a few young kids at times) but sure, I have met a few even here - and hundreds on email needless to say :- But over the years I have met many fine people who devote their whole life to getting people out of cults of all kinds, including fundemtalists religions. Some of these people became great friends and colleagues of mine. For them this is a lifetime mission - mine is only an occasional passing bit of fun. I aint here to save souls mate :- )) Anyway, there is nothing to save them from except themselves and simple psychology could take care of that if it bothered. My interest in them is solely political and sociological. I am not having them gits dictating social policy and civil laws to me - you know my big thing is politics well enough. But what I cannot understand really is why such a great country as the USA, with all those fine people there, all those resources, money, education, potentials, can turn out people like this by the bloody millions. Ker-Riced I would love to be President of the USA for twenty years. You listen to these buggers on short wave radio (all of it from the USA) and one would think you had tuned into another planet mate - it is unbelievable, and sad. They have alot of power Cat, and that does not auger well. Merlin. - Original Message - From: Cat To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: du_moderator ; jgweston2004 ; jmystic Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: [Real-Gnosis] Re: [ask-the-mystics] Re: [Mystical-Spiritual-Experience] Re: Du Group Richard, Dearheart, you UNDERESTIMATE greatly..just what a huge deal it is to get fundamentlist Christians to think about their tales, myths, religion..in any other light than what they have been given from birth. Honest to goodness...even getting them to consider a different spin on a myth..or accept an image of a 'Laughing Jesus' is HUGE...earth-shatterinly huge. You would fall off your chair if you knew what a big deal it is...even just to get them to 'maybe consider' something else. The DU list is definitely NOT for you and neither is its membership open to the type of stuff you write. Why? Too many choices too fast. It's a bit like trying to give a toddler a teething cracker and then throwing a T-bone steak at 'em. Their system cannot handle it. These are baby-steps..way too slow and limited for you,. You can take galaxies at a single bound [I KNOW..I've seen you do it]. But these darlin's are just beginning to give themselves permission to crawl under their own power. Their moderator isn't trying to manipulate the group members. The moderator is trying to 'limit the menu' for those who are just cutting their teeth. I know you feel insulted, and I am terribly sorry for that. But there are different grades for different levels of understanding. Your post was the equivalent of a PHD presenting a thesis to a group of pre-schoolers and then being offended because the material wasn't suitable for them AT THIS PARTICULAR STAGE. At your level, it's all ONE..and you can swallow that and keep your sanity in tact..or even make peace with your insanity--whatever. But for those just beginning to wake up...you've got to be gentle...and still let them have their 'loveys' and the things that are familiar and comfortable to them. You try to take away the crutches before the legs are healed...and you have flapping wobblies all over the sidewalk. And Richard, these folks are broken...broken on a level you cannot possibly believe it is possible to be THAT broken at and still draw the breath of life. But they are. And there are hundreds of thousands of them all over the world. So check yourself, dearheart. I KNOW your intentions are good. But you're a tall strong drink...and infants need milk. You can pour your 500 proof self in my glass any time. I'll fall off my stool and drool a puddle on the floor. But the babies...the babies you simply cannot deal with...not right now. You don't know your own strength, if you did, what you tried to do today would be a vile cruelty. And cruelty is NOT part of my fantasy about you. XOCat __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: The USA and Fundies
Looks like there's a new swingin' Dick in town. :-) Wow...look at this field here...it looks like I can enter as many Yahoo! groups in it as I want...why not spam all of them with my golden shower? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Cat, we obviously do not have as much experience of this plague over here as you do over there (maybe just a few young kids at times) but sure, I have met a few even here - and hundreds on email needless to say :- But over the years I have met many fine people who devote their whole life to getting people out of cults of all kinds, including fundemtalists religions. Some of these people became great friends and colleagues of mine. For them this is a lifetime mission - mine is only an occasional passing bit of fun. I aint here to save souls mate :- )) Anyway, there is nothing to save them from except themselves and simple psychology could take care of that if it bothered. My interest in them is solely political and sociological. I am not having them gits dictating social policy and civil laws to me - you know my big thing is politics well enough. But what I cannot understand really is why such a great country as the USA, with all those fine people there, all those resources, money, education, potentials, can turn out people like this by the bloody millions. Ker-Riced I would love to be President of the USA for twenty years. You listen to these buggers on short wave radio (all of it from the USA) and one would think you had tuned into another planet mate - it is unbelievable, and sad. They have a lot of power Cat, and that does not auger well. Merlin. - Original Message - From: Cat To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mystical-Spiritual- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: du_moderator ; jgweston2004 ; jmystic Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: [Real-Gnosis] Re: [ask-the-mystics] Re: [Mystical- Spiritual-Experience] Re: Du Group Richard, Dearheart, you UNDERESTIMATE greatly..just what a huge deal it is to get fundamentlist Christians to think about their tales, myths, religion..in any other light than what they have been given from birth. Honest to goodness...even getting them to consider a different spin on a myth..or accept an image of a 'Laughing Jesus' is HUGE...earth-shatterinly huge. You would fall off your chair if you knew what a big deal it is...even just to get them to 'maybe consider' something else. The DU list is definitely NOT for you and neither is its membership open to the type of stuff you write. Why? Too many choices too fast. It's a bit like trying to give a toddler a teething cracker and then throwing a T-bone steak at 'em. Their system cannot handle it. These are baby-steps..way too slow and limited for you,. You can take galaxies at a single bound [I KNOW..I've seen you do it]. But these darlin's are just beginning to give themselves permission to crawl under their own power. Their moderator isn't trying to manipulate the group members. The moderator is trying to 'limit the menu' for those who are just cutting their teeth. I know you feel insulted, and I am terribly sorry for that. But there are different grades for different levels of understanding. Your post was the equivalent of a PHD presenting a thesis to a group of pre-schoolers and then being offended because the material wasn't suitable for them AT THIS PARTICULAR STAGE. At your level, it's all ONE..and you can swallow that and keep your sanity in tact..or even make peace with your insanity-- whatever. But for those just beginning to wake up...you've got to be gentle...and still let them have their 'loveys' and the things that are familiar and comfortable to them. You try to take away the crutches before the legs are healed...and you have flapping wobblies all over the sidewalk. And Richard, these folks are broken...broken on a level you cannot possibly believe it is possible to be THAT broken at and still draw the breath of life. But they are. And there are hundreds of thousands of them all over the world. So check yourself, dearheart. I KNOW your intentions are good. But you're a tall strong drink...and infants need milk. You can pour your 500 proof self in my glass any time. I'll fall off my stool and drool a puddle on the floor. But the babies...the babies you simply cannot deal with...not right now. You don't know your own strength, if you did, what you tried to do today would be a vile cruelty. And cruelty is NOT part of my fantasy about you. XO Cat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe,
[FairfieldLife] Re: The USA and Fundies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Cat, we obviously do not have as much experience of this plague over here as you do over there (maybe just a few young kids at times) but sure, I have met a few even here - and hundreds on email needless to say :- But over the years I have met many fine people who devote their whole life to getting people out of cults of all kinds, including fundemtalists religions. Some of these people became great friends and colleagues of mine. For them this is a lifetime mission - mine is only an occasional passing bit of fun. I aint here to save souls mate :- )) Anyway, there is nothing to save them from except themselves and simple psychology could take care of that if it bothered. My interest in them is solely political and sociological. I am not having them gits dictating social policy and civil laws to me - you know my big thing is politics well enough. But what I cannot understand really is why such a great country as the USA, with all those fine people there, all those resources, money, education, potentials, can turn out people like this by the bloody millions. Ker-Riced I would love to be President of the USA for twenty years. You listen to these buggers on short wave radio (all of it from the USA) and one would think you had tuned into another planet mate - it is unbelievable, and sad. They have a lot of power Cat, and that does not auger well. Merlin. - Original Message - From: Cat To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mystical-Spiritual- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: du_moderator ; jgweston2004 ; jmystic Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: [Real-Gnosis] Re: [ask-the-mystics] Re: [Mystical- Spiritual-Experience] Re: Du Group Richard, Dearheart, you UNDERESTIMATE greatly..just what a huge deal it is to get fundamentlist Christians to think about their tales, myths, religion..in any other light than what they have been given from birth. Honest to goodness...even getting them to consider a different spin on a myth..or accept an image of a 'Laughing Jesus' is HUGE...earth-shatterinly huge. You would fall off your chair if you knew what a big deal it is...even just to get them to 'maybe consider' something else. The DU list is definitely NOT for you and neither is its membership open to the type of stuff you write. Why? Too many choices too fast. It's a bit like trying to give a toddler a teething cracker and then throwing a T-bone steak at 'em. Their system cannot handle it. These are baby-steps..way too slow and limited for you,. You can take galaxies at a single bound [I KNOW..I've seen you do it]. But these darlin's are just beginning to give themselves permission to crawl under their own power. Their moderator isn't trying to manipulate the group members. The moderator is trying to 'limit the menu' for those who are just cutting their teeth. I know you feel insulted, and I am terribly sorry for that. But there are different grades for different levels of understanding. Your post was the equivalent of a PHD presenting a thesis to a group of pre-schoolers and then being offended because the material wasn't suitable for them AT THIS PARTICULAR STAGE. At your level, it's all ONE..and you can swallow that and keep your sanity in tact..or even make peace with your insanity-- whatever. But for those just beginning to wake up...you've got to be gentle...and still let them have their 'loveys' and the things that are familiar and comfortable to them. You try to take away the crutches before the legs are healed...and you have flapping wobblies all over the sidewalk. And Richard, these folks are broken...broken on a level you cannot possibly believe it is possible to be THAT broken at and still draw the breath of life. But they are. And there are hundreds of thousands of them all over the world. So check yourself, dearheart. I KNOW your intentions are good. But you're a tall strong drink...and infants need milk. You can pour your 500 proof self in my glass any time. I'll fall off my stool and drool a puddle on the floor. But the babies...the babies you simply cannot deal with...not right now. You don't know your own strength, if you did, what you tried to do today would be a vile cruelty. And cruelty is NOT part of my fantasy about you. XO Cat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
Hi Fred (if that is the name there), Yeah, many thanks. You know tis funny really, for my field is depth psychology and metaphysics, but one of my best mates field was physics. He won the Nobel Prize for uniting two of the four fundamental forces of the physical universe and came up with the Electroweak Field, He also started anddirected the International Centre for Theoretical Physics in Trieste. But do you know what his real favourite stuff was? Well I will tell you, it was my stuff which I had written about - that addressing the perennial questions - what are we; where do we come from; and what are we doing here; etc. He was a mystic too. Anyway, I do not know about this so called book called Unlocking Reality on which there are so many websites - tis hilarious is it not. It might be a hoax or it might be the best propaganda ever for a book that is about to be published - who cares - we will see :- But as I said, there are two doors to be opened. One is the door to our SELF (the observer) and the other is the door to all the stuff which we aint (the Observed). The third door (which is rarely found as yet) is the one that unites both. But that seems to be too deep a secret even to mention as yet - and I bet that bloody book (if ever it comes out) does not even mention these things. Oh by the way, there is indeed much more to the nature of reality (and ourselves) than can be detected by the five external senses. Ipso Facto. They are but periscopes above the waves of time and space - but we go deeper Fred; and it becomes obvious and axiomatic. We go much deeper than time and space. If you like to read then try the book - The Mystical Gnosis Event and the Human Situation. It address the things that interest you; and that is for sure. Let me know what you think of it and I will pass it on to the author - I know him well. Anyway good luck and good hunting. Gnothi Seauton. Dick Richardson Depth Psychology. Physics and Metaphysics. http://www.psychognois.net - Original Message - From: fredgrant123 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors "The concept of 'unlocking reality' is aninteresting one is it not."Yes it is Dick. For me this implies there is more to life than meets the eye, and thatthere are ways you can open opportunities which you may not haverealized existed before. To use a crude example, say there was a magicword which affected atomic structure by its frequency, so atoms thisword was aimed at dispersed. Sounds too far fetched? You point yourremote at the telly and the picture changes. How far back would youneed to go for this to be considered magic? Anyway, you could gothrough life never knowing the magic word, so when confronted with anobsticle, you would always try to find your way round and neverdissolve it. Meanwhile, the words potential exists, waiting to be found. Unlocking Reality for me is about being in tune with my surroundings,and understanding how to flow with the situation around me. UnlockReality has a unique view on this. The problem with my trying torelate it to you, apart from the fact that it asks its readers not to,is that a step by step explaination is needed to unfold these ideas. Don't get me wrong, it's not complicated, but it is precise. Mosteveryone who reads it will understand it, unless you are determinednot to, and it really will and does Unlock the potential in Life. Iapply things it taught me every day, and they work.--- In Unlock-Reality@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am new on this list. The concept of 'unlocking reality' isan interesting one is it not. We come into this world knowing nothing,understanding nothing, remembering nothing, and there are so manydoors to unlock the learning thereof therein. I am not quite too sureas yet as to what (if any) specific unlocking this list is referringto but I will soon find out no doubt.In so far as I see it there are only two doors to unlock, so I guessyou must be talking about one of them at least, if not both :- ))) But given that there is WE (the observer) and the OBSERVED, then as Isee it they are the two doors to unlock - what are we the observer andwhat is the observed. Needless to say we cannot ask as to what theobserved is when it is not being observed for that question aint upfor being answered; for without an observer nothing would be known andno questions asked.Dick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [snip] [..] I'm a practicing tantrik and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Nice pun :-) Tantra is not about sex. You do tantra a disservice just as Rajneesh did and many westerners who don't understand what tantra really is. Go find a real tantrik guru and study with him a few years and then we'll have a serious discussion about tantra. Let me see if I got this right, you are addressing a male and direct him to another male for instruction in tantric sexual practices (the subject of this thread). The defense rests.. :-) Wrong, you must've missed the first sentence in the paragraph of mine you just quoted above. [snip] No, I just read the subject header before replying: Tantric Sexual Practices Did you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hey Rick
T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if the New Improved Yahoo! Groups software allows cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you might want to send them an email asking what's up. Just a suggestion... Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] a new swingin' Dick in town
[Looks like there's a new swingin' Dick in town. :-) "Wow...look at this field here...it looks like I can enter as many Yahoo! groups in it as I want...why not spam all of them with my golden shower?"] Spam? Is that your idea of spam Sir addressing more than one list with a mail? Wow mate, you amaze me ! Well, not really just kidding; seen it all before so many times. Why not address the content rather than the number of recipients? Anyway, given that most of them are mine, no problem eh. However, given that it IS a problem for you I can remedy that with one click on the unsubscribe button, which I will do after I have sent this. Seen enough of it in one dayanyway. We would not want you to read anything which bothers you now would we. Oh and by the way, people are people no matter what damn list they are on or how many yeah? What have you got against people and communication I wonder - but never mind skip it. Tis a big world innit chum - easy to get lost in. Good luck to you Sir. Merlin of Exmoor mit de swinging Dick. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: a new swingin' Dick in town
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Looks like there's a new swingin' Dick in town. :-) Wow...look at this field here...it looks like I can enter as many Yahoo! groups in it as I want...why not spam all of them with my golden shower?] Spam? Is that your idea of spam Sir - addressing more than one list with a mail? Wow mate, you amaze me ! Well, not really just kidding; seen it all before so many times. Why not address the content rather than the number of recipients? There was content? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fred (if that is the name there), Yeah, many thanks. You know tis funny really, for my field is depth psychology and metaphysics, but one of my best mates field was physics. He won the Nobel Prize for uniting two of the four fundamental forces of the physical universe and came up with the Electroweak Field, He also started and directed the International Centre for Theoretical Physics in Trieste. But do you know what his real favourite stuff was? Well I will tell you, it was my stuff which I had written about - that addressing the perennial questions - what are we; where do we come from; and what are we doing here; etc. He was a mystic too. Anyway, I do not know about this so called book called Unlocking Reality on which there are so many websites - tis hilarious is it not. It might be a hoax or it might be the best propaganda ever for a book that is about to be published - who cares - we will see :- But as I said, there are two doors to be opened. One is the door to our SELF (the observer) and the other is the door to all the stuff which we aint (the Observed). The third door (which is rarely found as yet) is the one that unites both. But that seems to be too deep a secret even to mention as yet - and I bet that bloody book (if ever it comes out) does not even mention these things. Oh by the way, there is indeed much more to the nature of reality (and ourselves) than can be detected by the five external senses. Ipso Facto. They are but periscopes above the waves of time and space - but we go deeper Fred; and it becomes obvious and axiomatic. We go much deeper than time and space. If you like to read then try the book - The Mystical Gnosis Event and the Human Situation. It address the things that interest you; and that is for sure. Let me know what you think of it and I will pass it on to the author - I know him well. Anyway good luck and good hunting. Gnothi Seauton. Dick Richardson Depth Psychology. Physics and Metaphysics. http://www.psychognois.net - Original Message - From: fredgrant123 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors The concept of 'unlocking reality' is an interesting one is it not. Yes it is Dick. For me this implies there is more to life than meets the eye, and that there are ways you can open opportunities which you may not have realized existed before. To use a crude example, say there was a magic word which affected atomic structure by its frequency, so atoms this word was aimed at dispersed. Sounds too far fetched? You point your remote at the telly and the picture changes. How far back would you need to go for this to be considered magic? Anyway, you could go through life never knowing the magic word, so when confronted with an obsticle, you would always try to find your way round and never dissolve it. Meanwhile, the words potential exists, waiting to be found. Unlocking Reality for me is about being in tune with my surroundings, and understanding how to flow with the situation around me. Unlock Reality has a unique view on this. The problem with my trying to relate it to you, apart from the fact that it asks its readers not to, is that a step by step explaination is needed to unfold these ideas. Don't get me wrong, it's not complicated, but it is precise. Most everyone who reads it will understand it, unless you are determined not to, and it really will and does Unlock the potential in Life. I apply things it taught me every day, and they work. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dick Richardson rwr@ wrote: Hello, I am new on this list. The concept of 'unlocking reality' is an interesting one is it not. We come into this world knowing nothing, understanding nothing, remembering nothing, and there are so many doors to unlock the learning thereof therein. I am not quite too sure as yet as to what (if any) specific unlocking this list is referring to but I will soon find out no doubt. In so far as I see it there are only two doors to unlock, so I guess you must be talking about one of them at least, if not both :- ))) But given that there is WE (the observer) and the OBSERVED, then as I see it they are the two doors to unlock - what are we the observer and what is the observed. Needless to say we cannot ask as to what the observed is when it is not being observed for that question aint up for being answered; for without an observer nothing would be known and no questions asked. Dick. Dick by name and dickhead by nature. I do not know what group you think you are addressing, and neither do you. Spam off, dickhead. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[FairfieldLife] Re: [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
Ah sorry about that spelling mate, I write too damned quick :- had near on two hundred emails so far this morning and it is only 10.30 A.M. The moral is do not write books :- ))) Oh my university is the biggest one there is by the way - it is called life and the Cosmos. Yeah, Psychognosis it is Sir; thanks for reminding me:- ) I coined thatword years ago simply to mean the KNOWLEDGE of SELF. But I only came to use it a couple of books ago. Kungfu Leo eh, fascinating name, it makes the mind boggle ;- ) Merlin of Exmoor. - Original Message - From: kungfu_leo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors Interesting site though, Dickhttp://www.psychognosis.net(You missed out the first 's'). In which university is your department?--- In Unlock-Reality@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dick Richardson Depth Psychology. Physics and Metaphysics. http://www.psychognois.net __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
[ Spam off, dickhead.] Go to hell sonny - It will be my idea when I do; not yours sunshine. Pop around and see me sometime eh and we will discuss it. Who the do you think you are anyway? Dick. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'Trump Seeking Tehran Real Estate'
One of the(possible) strategies of the Bush Administration; To Entice with Temptations... Send the Trump to Tehran; Incite them with every imaginable pleasure and illusion of power; And surely this offer won't be refused..(We) are branches of the same tree of Abraham... (Wejust got a little lost in the desert ...somewhere, left of Atlantic City, A long timeago... Send inthe Donald, And all will be well!! 'The Force Be With You' __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] 'Trump Seeking Tehran Real Estate'
One of the(possible) strategies of the Bush Administration; To Entice with Temptations... Send the Trump to Tehran; Incite them with every imaginable pleasure and illusion of power; And surely this offer won't be refused..(We) are branches of the same tree of Abraham... (Wejust got a little lost in the desert ...somewhere, left of Atlantic City, A long timeago... Send inthe Donald, And all will be well!! 'The Force Be With You' __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Spam off, dickhead.] Go to hell sonny - It will be my idea when I do; not yours sunshine. Pop around and see me sometime eh and we will discuss it. Who the do you think you are anyway? Dick. Finally, someone on the group whose screen name personifies the idea of 'name and form.' :-) And who can't even spell the URL of the book he's trying to peddle. I figure it will be his idea of when to beat feet from FFL about the same time that Rick wakes up. Synchronicity, that. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
Would you like a serious discussion at all - are you capable? Choose a subject. I await with baited breath. You just like scabbing people it seems to me - prove me wrong. And here - just one list for you. Feel free. Merlin. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ Spam off, dickhead.] Go to hell sonny - It will be my idea when I do; not yours sunshine. Pop around and see me sometime eh and we will discuss it. Who the do you think you are anyway? Dick.Finally, someone on the group whose screen name personifies the idea of 'name and form.' :-)And who can't even spell the URL of the bookhe's trying to peddle. I figure it will be "his idea" of when to beatfeet from FFL about the same time that Rick wakes up. Synchronicity, that. :-) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Pretty much any topic is fair game.
[ Pretty much any topic is fair game. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, Sthapatya-Veda, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Judaism, Scientology, etc.] Well, when is it gonna come them - fire away, that is what I came here for. Merlin. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you like a serious discussion at all - are you capable? Choose a subject. I await with baited breath. You just like scabbing people it seems to me - prove me wrong. And here - just one list for you. Feel free. Merlin. The 'one list' thing is better; you're starting to catch a clue. Now if you can get over that 'serious' thang you might actually be worth talking to. :-) So far, no punches pulled, you've come off as a screaming ego trying to sell its ideas and its book, with very little substance in either. Prove me wrong...lurk for a while and find out what this group is interested in and then post something. In the meantime, I suggest you check out the Google group alt.religion.gnostic. Those guys will help you out with the ego thang. Unc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 9:49 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:Of course it could have happened. But he also could have in depth sexual imformation from the extraterrtrials in that UFO in Switzerland. At least some people witnessed that...hahahaha. Yea. Ask Casey Coleman and Rick Stanely who people on FFLSWORE they had heard these guys say they witnessed UFOs with M. Theyeach responded on FFL and basically said, "What crap". So that you see no evidence to support your "Maharishi-as-tantric adept enlightening his female students thru sex from the spontaneous transmission he received from SBS once-upon-a-time" most odd characterization is no surprise. Its a limited and distorted, strawmanish representation of what has been said, its mind-boggling that its coming from you. Who I take as a open, open-inquiry, rational, non-dogmatic, balanced kind of guy. Well let's look at what you've presented and see if it jives with the above statement. Did you not propose he was a tantric adept No! I said its a resonable hypothesis he pick up some knowledge ofsexual tantra in 30+ years in India, around yogis, sadhus, pudnits andtantrics. And just being in indian culture. And maybe using ritam."mmm, tantra, what is this? ahhh I see." possibly having tantric sex with shakti-laden female Definately had sex with female staff. I hypothesize it could haveinvolved some tantric experimentation. What point is unclear? disciples?Never. He never has had a female disciple to my knowldege. Rindi maybe. Did you not propose he could have received a mind-to-mind transmission of tantric teaching from SBS?Sure, that might have been one many possibilities that he picked upsome basic knowledge of tantra. Including the small subset involvingsex. A low probability one. But I "threw" in the trasmissionpossibility due to your general discussions of it. So if itsabsolutely not a possiblity,then letstake it off the table. So thenwe are left with the possibilities that he picked up some knowledge ofsexual tantra in 30+ years in India, by being around yogis, sadhus,pudnits and tantrics. And just being in indian culture. Jeez, Ipicked up some basic knowledge of it in my first month coursein 1968.Hardly as deep a crowd as M mingled with in 30years. Or, possibly he he picked up some basic tantric sexual knowledgedirectly like Shankara in prep for with Mishra and his wife. Did you not propose he could have gotten this from tantric adepts he met Sure. Its possible that he picked up basic sexual tantric knowlegefrom any number of yogis saints and sadhus in his time before, duringand after SBS. See abovewith in secret?"in secret" ??? Are you really saying "Maharishi-as-tantricadept enlightening his female students thru sex from the spontaneoustransmission he received from SBS once-upon-a-time" is a fairreprestation of the above Q and A. If so, WOW!!! I am flabergasted.Shocked. Way disappointed.It's a synopsis of your presentation, no mine!"Maharishi-as-tantric adept" -- never said "was adept" "enlightening his female students" -- never said enlightening "thru sex" -- yes its clear he had sex"from the spontaneous transmission he received from SBSonce-upon-a-time" -- oneof many possible avenues to get tantricknowledge. An obscure and low probability on IMO. Ritam, discussionwith sadhus,yogis and tantrics in 30 years in india, Indian culture,books, pundits, are all possible means that he may have gotten someworking knowldge of sexual tantra. Why is that such an odd possibilityin your mind.It's not odd, it just doesn't wash, sorry (for the numerous reasons I've given already). The relevant question is do you have any evidence of substance that disproves or discounts the possibility of #1 and #2 above. Its NOT saying #1 and #2 are true, but simply acknowledging that they are hypotheses that cannot be concluseively disproven (at this point). Above and beyond what I've already conveyed, Which provides nothing regarding the disproving of the possibility,the hypotheses of #1 and #2 above. Do your statements discount them? Not on my book. But thanks for yourinput.However I think you should consider the idea of "transgressive practices" and violation of natural law.I will. I could better if I knew what they meant.The use of meat and wine. If you've never had formal initiation into any of the inner, outer or secret tantras however, you may want to consider some of the unique elements of tantric initiation--esp. those into a sexual tantra--Well, I think even you could agree that if I never had formalinitiation into such, it would be hard for me to "consider some ofthe unique elements of tantric initiation". But thanks for implying my ritam is THAT strong. That's was not what I was implying. that you might not be aware of. Again, exactly how does one consider things they are not aware of?Gain some experience in the subject at hand?I have read Svobodas trilogy. Read some other things. Tantra is nottotaly foreign to me. Hardly makes me
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 6, 2006, at 1:27 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@... wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 9:47 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:55 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:[...] The word *tantra* does not necessarily infer *sexual*. Yes, the TM mantras are tantric in origin, but not in a sexual sense. Why do you say they are tantric in origin? Because they all occur in tantras and aren't found at all in the Vedas. Hmmm... When MMY refers to the "vedic," he's talking about all the "vedic literature" as he defines it PLUS any techniques he associates with that liteature, such as dyhan. http://ff.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ That a list of mantras doesn't appear in the Veda explicitly isn't any more relevant than the fact that the 100,000+ variations of the yoga asanas don't get explicit mention either --or are you saying that only asanas that are described/mentioned explicitly in the Vedas are genuine vedic asanas? Yoga asanas come from the Nath tantric siddhas. They ain't Vedic either dude.Er, I take it that Patanjali's Yoga Sutras aren't vedic either?Are you seriously saying you believe they are? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Beer carnage!
http://www.equitymaster.com/tm.asp Tuesday, 6th June, 2006 Closing Bear carnage! The markets crashed during the final hour of trade as selling activity intensified in the heavyweights, defying the signs of recovery seen in the penultimate trading hour. Stocks across sectors took a pounding today, as the bearish sentiment continued unabated. Nonetheless, select banking stocks managed to close higher. In global markets, all Asian markets with the exception of Taiwan closed in the red today, while European indices are also currently trading lower. The BSE Sensex closed at 9,957 (down 256 points) and the NSE Nifty closed at 2,937 (down 79 points). The rupee was trading at 45.93 to the dollar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Well, the funny thing was, he would try to change his writing style and tone so he'd appear to be a different person. Maybe he got the idea from Barry, who used to do the same back in the day. But neither of them were very good at it, and they couldn't sustain the new persona for very long. Only Judy could interpret changing ISPs and thus one's screen name as an attempt to fool her. Paranoia is entertaining. :-) Ah, no, in fact there were whole new personalities to go with the new IPSs and screen names in an attempt to fool the entire alt.m.t newsgroup. Not sure why Barry doesn't want to admit it, but I'll be happy to go dig up some references if anyone is interested. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: ...and where's the always-valuable up thread link button? Crap software, a real step backwards. They haven't even figured out how to turn on the feature that shows the links that have already been read in a different color. Actually, as I already noted, if you click on a link to a post in the message list, it does change color. If you read the subsequent posts by clicking on Next, however--without going back to the message list--the links in the message list stay the same color. One workaround is, when you've finished reading the new posts via Next, go back to the message list and click on the link to the most recent post. Then at least you'll have marked how far you read. (This is assuming you read posts in posting order rather than by thread.) God, I hate it when a big company gives a project like this to some software newbie who doesn't know his ass from a user interface. Google did the same thing a year or so ago. Just recently they added a new improvement. When you click on a thread (on Google the posts are all ordered by thread, but you read posts by pages rather than individual posts), it used to take you to the most recent one in the thread. Now it takes you to the *first* post in a thread, so if it's a long one, you have to click on page after page to go through the entire thread to get to the most recent posts. Maybe Yahoo decided that helping to put journalists in China in jail wasn't enough damage to their rep, and they had to go for the Full Monty. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Also new is the stuff at the bottom, which, when you click the one on the left, shows all the messages for that topic threaded, which will make finding older ones a lot easier. You could arrange them in thread order in the old format too. The Up Thread option was very precise because it tracked specific conversations, so you didn't have to wade through all the posts in the thread to find the one you were looking for. There are uses for both a thread-order option and an Up Thread option. There was no reason to get rid of the Up Thread one. If you look at the view all messages option I don't even *see* a View all messages option. Where did you find it? The message list link. Boy, I don't see it. Where is it on the page? When you first log in, its called something else. I'm starting to get the impression that someone implemented a half-finished upgrade to the interface without noticing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
On Jun 5, 2006, at 10:19 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: otherwise there is utter imbalance in the equation. So Muktanada's 16 yr olds were tantra adepts? Come on!!! Again, an important fine point. Muktananda claimed to be doing yoni- puja on these women AND practicing urdhva-retas on these kids. And first hand accounts tend to bear this out, that is they were congruent with someone who was practicing vajroli. Interestingly this practice is also considered helpful in being able to perform shaktipat, so there is a practical connection there (which of course also makes it much more difficult for these ladies to process their trauma).And so your points about muktananda do possibly not apply to M?As I indicated earlier, it would depend on more technical factors whether that was true or not.But now we do have some insight into the technical aspects I was referring to. Since we now have the input from Rick that M. could not retain his bindu--aka his retas (semen)--he was clearly (by definition of the practice of urdhva-retas) not performing that practice. In other words it was most likely just plain ole Sexual Incest.One wonders if in his hidden past he was raised Catholic?Actually knowing this simple fact, that M. appears to NOT have had control of his own bindu (his ejaculation) is really all that we needed to know to conclude this discussion. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Well, the funny thing was, he would try to change his writing style and tone so he'd appear to be a different person. Maybe he got the idea from Barry, who used to do the same back in the day. But neither of them were very good at it, and they couldn't sustain the new persona for very long. Only Judy could interpret changing ISPs and thus one's screen name as an attempt to fool her. Paranoia is entertaining. :-) Ah, no, in fact there were whole new personalities to go with the new IPSs That would be ISPs... and screen names in an attempt to fool the entire alt.m.t newsgroup. Not sure why Barry doesn't want to admit it, but I'll be happy to go dig up some references if anyone is interested. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Well, the funny thing was, he would try to change his writing style and tone so he'd appear to be a different person. Maybe he got the idea from Barry, who used to do the same back in the day. But neither of them were very good at it, and they couldn't sustain the new persona for very long. Only Judy could interpret changing ISPs and thus one's screen name as an attempt to fool her. Paranoia is entertaining. :-) Just for the fun of it, let's put Ms. I'm Honest And You're Not to the test here. Go back and find all of the userids you think I've used on a.m.t. or here and post them. I'll tell you how many of them were really me and how many of them were projections of your own paranoia. Sure you will, Barry. After all, your word is your bond, right? How could anybody here not have complete faith in your integrity? Either that, or retract the slam above. Put up or shut up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Beer carnage!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh! I saw the post title and assumed it was about the real-ale festival they just held in my home town. This looks even more serious though. http://www.equitymaster.com/tm.asp Tuesday, 6th June, 2006 Closing Bear carnage! The markets crashed during the final hour of trade as selling activity intensified in the heavyweights, defying the signs of recovery seen in the penultimate trading hour. Stocks across sectors took a pounding today, as the bearish sentiment continued unabated. Nonetheless, select banking stocks managed to close higher. In global markets, all Asian markets with the exception of Taiwan closed in the red today, while European indices are also currently trading lower. The BSE Sensex closed at 9,957 (down 256 points) and the NSE Nifty closed at 2,937 (down 79 points). The rupee was trading at 45.93 to the dollar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
Well, for your information son I wrote the book on Gnosis and Gnosticism probably before you were born sunshine. And no, I aint worth talking to, but you might try listening - that'll be the day that hell freezes over and there are no fundamentalist religionists in the USA or the middle east - like never :- Ker-Riced, I am glad that all Yanks aint like you buddy - I would never have helped them out of the shit if they were. Bloody colonials are full of their selves these days. So fine, bring on the Gnostics - Or even the silly gits that cling to Gnosticism and the demiurge. What a lot of retarded wankers eh mate. I was once asked to become a Bishop in a Gnostic church - but that was one of the more sensible ones you see Buddy. So, fir away on Gnosis then, it is right up my street mate. Written five books on it you know, and they are downloaded every day - not by you obviously :- Merlin of Exmoor mit de big mouth and the swinging dick - yeah? - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Dick Richardson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you like a serious discussion at all - are you capable? Choose a subject. I await with baited breath. You just like scabbing people it seems to me - prove me wrong. And here - just one list for you. Feel free. Merlin.The 'one list' thing is better; you're startingto catch a clue.Now if you can get over that 'serious' thang you might actually be worth talking to. :-)So far, no punches pulled, you've come off asa screaming ego trying to sell its ideas and its book, with very little substance in either.Prove me wrong...lurk for a while and find outwhat this group is interested in and then postsomething.In the meantime, I suggest you check out theGoogle group alt.religion.gnostic. Those guyswill help you out with the ego thang.Unc __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Well, the funny thing was, he would try to change his writing style and tone so he'd appear to be a different person. Maybe he got the idea from Barry, who used to do the same back in the day. But neither of them were very good at it, and they couldn't sustain the new persona for very long. Only Judy could interpret changing ISPs and thus one's screen name as an attempt to fool her. Paranoia is entertaining. :-) Just for the fun of it, let's put Ms. I'm Honest And You're Not to the test here. Go back and find all of the userids you think I've used on a.m.t. or here and post them. I'll tell you how many of them were really me and how many of them were projections of your own paranoia. Sure you will, Barry. After all, your word is your bond, right? How could anybody here not have complete faith in your integrity? Either that, or retract the slam above. Put up or shut up. Note, by the way, that the slam Barry refers to here is what I said about his not being very good at hiding his real identity. I've hurt his writerly pride, I'm afraid. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson rwr@ wrote: Would you like a serious discussion at all - are you capable? Choose a subject. I await with baited breath. You just like scabbing people it seems to me - prove me wrong. And here - just one list for you. Feel free. Merlin. The 'one list' thing is better; you're starting to catch a clue. Now if you can get over that 'serious' thang you might actually be worth talking to. :-) So far, no punches pulled, you've come off as a screaming ego trying to sell its ideas and its book, with very little substance in either. Prove me wrong...lurk for a while and find out what this group is interested in and then post something. In the meantime, I suggest you check out the Google group alt.religion.gnostic. Those guys will help you out with the ego thang. Tell me, Turquoise, you seem a scholarly sort. Is there is tradition in the Vedas for a lynching? Or, maybe the Moderator could let his leopards off their leashes and have a good feed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Empirical method
Can't fault the logic. Thought it would be a good way to honor today's date's numerological foolishness! Check it out: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060605/od_nm/ukraine_lion_dc;_ylt=AuEVv3QHyvUSnG8MZCnDAgKs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson rwr@ wrote: [snip] Tell me, Turquoise, you seem a scholarly sort. Is there is tradition in the Vedas for a lynching? Or, maybe the Moderator could let his leopards off their leashes and have a good feed. Well, I am one of the moderators, and my leopards are only fixated on spammers. As for the dueling dick fest, Dick Richardson unsubscribed from FFL a little while ago. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Well, the funny thing was, he would try to change his writing style and tone so he'd appear to be a different person. Maybe he got the idea from Barry, who used to do the same back in the day. But neither of them were very good at it, and they couldn't sustain the new persona for very long. Only Judy could interpret changing ISPs and thus one's screen name as an attempt to fool her. Paranoia is entertaining. :-) I just remembered one specific instance in which in Barry's initial post to alt.m.t under a new screen name, he reproduced one of his own older posts under a different name--a satirical piece, as I recall-- saying he didn't know who had posted it originally, but that he thought it was very funny and highly germane to whatever was going on in the newsgroup at the time. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Rick
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hey Rick on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if the New Improved Yahoo! Groups software allows cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you might want to send them an email asking what's up. Just a suggestion... Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but hes a real person who will engage in discussion if theres interest. Hes been a member here and in another (now inactive) group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. Hes feisty and colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle that, eh? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
In a message dated 6/5/06 9:48:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I thought his equating spiritual ganja with male pedophilia wassick. But "Killing kitties can be fun." is so say over the top sickits hard to fathom. Hard to want to interact with someone with that POV. Umm, I could be wrong but I think Shemp is pulling your chains. LOL __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya on 6/6/06 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 9:48:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I thought his equating spiritual ganja with male pedophilia was sick. But Killing kitties can be fun. is so say over the top sick its hard to fathom. Hard to want to interact with someone with that POV. Umm, I could be wrong but I think Shemp is pulling your chains. LOL I began to suspect that after he started praising DDT. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hi Dick
Title: Re: Hi Dick Hi Honey I'm home Now shall we chat or shall we sling shit at each other - I am good at both. Merlin of Exmoor. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
In a message dated 6/6/06 10:12:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Umm, I could be wrong but I think Shemp is pulling your chains. LOLI began to suspect that after he started praising DDT. In regards to DDT and it's ban, it has been successful and worth while. Several birds of prey, namely Peregrine falcons and Bald Eagles were nearing extinction due to DDT being in the food chain. It had devastating effects on their reproductive systems and by 1970 it wasn't sure as to whether they could be saved, But theban on it's wide spread use cleaned up the environment and these particular species have made remarkable come backs, to the point of being taken off of the endangered species list. The fact that these species have had an amazing recovery means that DDT is less likely to be further along in the food chain, protecting other species, including our own. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Cosmic Amnesia and Consciousness Expansion.
Cosmic Amnesia and Consciousness Expansion. Dick Richardson for Margaret Harrell Hello Margaret; regards to your most interesting questions on these two specifics with reference to transcendent mystical experiences. Let me first try and elaborate more on the phenomenon of consciousness expansion and which indeed came first, at the beginning of these events in my case. When writing the actual exegesis of those events (the initial transcendent experience) I had to write as like a living diary of how it was and what it was like. To have interjected concepts and knowledge from later aspects in life would have spoiled the actual story of the journey. I tried to make it that people could try living it with me, and what I felt at the time. That, as you obviously realise is why it is written that way. Much of the remainder of the book goes on to talk of things in depth but not the depths to which you push for answers :- ) and which I find admirable. Anyway, I will begin with the expansion phenomenon itself. The Expansion of Consciousness into the Soul. Without any shadow of doubt (and I am not the type that frightens too readily) this was the most frightening thing I have ever experienced. Not really frightening in the sense of deep fear but rather more in total and utter shock and bewilderment, and the unknowing as to what was happening or why or where it was going to end. It was literally, and without any warning, like blowing up on the inside in all truth I think some people might have died of fright, but I do not know. It was just like my head blew out into the size of the universe (not into the universe, for this was inner space hidden space). So what was it an expansion of consciousness into? I would imagine that some groups of people might perhaps assumed it to be the mind of their deity or creator. But no. This stuff was to do with me personally, and beyond any shadow of doubt as far as I am concerned. Hence there is no question of it. So what was it? It was me. I later came to call that part of ourselves (within the double vortex of our emanation) the soul; our own individual soul: the subconscious mind would be a synonym as far as I am concerned. But wow, it is big. It became clear to me that this aspect of our being contains much data of a personal record; the place where past experiences (and perhaps more) is stored, for the record. Moreover, this aspect of ourselves can and does communicate with our normal daily consciousness (the incarnate personality). It is plainly obvious to me that most of the experiences which people put down to religious experience, contacts with the deity, out of the body experiences, ghosts, visions, near death experiences, are all a product of this realm, this part of our own being. And each persons soul or subconscious being unique to them; and hence the varieties of experiences which this level can generate even to the point where the consciousness can exist within the picture created. This aspect of the soul I call the Arkon Realm. All of its manifestations are symbolic, every one of them. They are not real entities as seen and lived in, they are done to create an effect on the top-side consciousness and personality. Thus they are real symbolic Arkon Image Emanations, but that which you see or do in them is simply for the learning of and message contained within the actual effect of them. They alone are capable of changing a persons life for ever. Hence, my music made of light experience, and the boy, were symbolic emanations of communication with one part of the mind to the other, and for effect. All these experiences (therein) are symbolic of something else, and something much deeper in the nature of our being and creation itself. But their function is for effect, change, modulation; they are gradually turning a pint jug into a quart jug; and a pigs ear into a silk purse; or a Homo Sapien into a Homo Ensophicus. So the expansion (unless everything I have ever learned is wrong) is like a small drop of water dropping back into a vast pond and becoming the whole surface area of that pond and I emphasis only the surface area, NOT the depths of the pond itself, or the side walls (which are dangerous, and contain the incarnate survival kit of the species in encoded data (the psychic department of the double vortex). I have to re-emphasise that whilst at the level I still had all my mental faculties of the outside world personality: memories; personality; sense of humour, and all the rest of it; just simply no body and no connection to it. I could not have returned to normality by choice or intentional activity. I was there and there was nothing I could do about it. Given that your other question related to the phenomenon of Cosmic Amnesia I will say no more about the soul and its other depths and functions other than to say that it is something oh so very different to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 6, 2006, at 1:27 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 9:47 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:55 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] The word *tantra* does not necessarily infer *sexual*. Yes, the TM mantras are tantric in origin, but not in a sexual sense. Why do you say they are tantric in origin? Because they all occur in tantras and aren't found at all in the Vedas. Hmmm... When MMY refers to the vedic, he's talking about all the vedic literature as he defines it PLUS any techniques he associates with that liteature, such as dyhan. http://ff.mum.edu/vedicreserve/ That a list of mantras doesn't appear in the Veda explicitly isn't any more relevant than the fact that the 100,000+ variations of the yoga asanas don't get explicit mention either --or are you saying that only asanas that are described/mentioned explicitly in the Vedas are genuine vedic asanas? Yoga asanas come from the Nath tantric siddhas. They ain't Vedic either dude. Er, I take it that Patanjali's Yoga Sutras aren't vedic either? Are you seriously saying you believe they are? The Yoga Sutras are a compilation of practices from what, the 2nd century or thereabouts? Technically, they're not vedic because they were written too late, but since they're a compilation of what was already being practiced, it seems likely that the practices described were around during the Vedic era. In fact, Artwork depicting yoga asanas predate the time period assigned to the Vedic age, so obviously this is the case... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] The message list link. Boy, I don't see it. Where is it on the page? Think outside teh box. It's just above the next/prev links. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] [Unlock-Reality] Re: The two doors
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: In the meantime, I suggest you check out the Google group alt.religion.gnostic. Those guys will help you out with the ego thang. Tell me, Turquoise, you seem a scholarly sort. Is there is tradition in the Vedas for a lynching? Or, maybe the Moderator could let his leopards off their leashes and have a good feed. No need...if he actually does try to run his number at a.r.g., they'll laugh him out of town so fast he won't have the strength to spam FFL any more. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] An Introduction to the Double Vortex Theory of Emanation
An Introduction to the Double Vortex Theory of Emanation Regarding Universal Essence and Form Part One. Ponder thus, when and if time allows, on these few initial basic concepts of being. In the meantime each come up with your own theory. And thence we will seek for correlations in time yet to come. Minds are not brought forth for emptying, but rather for using, knowing things, and thence participating in the wise use of knowledge and understanding, and from each to all things which exist. RWR. For those who wish to pursue this further, and in due course, I will supply maps (drawings) to accompany the events which happen and of which I speak, and in far more detail than a mere synopsis can achieve; and also an explanation for all yet known aspects of anomalous and life changing experiences which we undergo. A map is not a photograph but merely an aid, a picture in the minds eye, to the structure, and as to where things are and where they happen in the scheme of things. It is a tendency, and long has been so, to think of the mind as a mere closed and isolated one dimensional epiphenomenon in the skull. Things suggest otherwise however; indeed they reveal otherwise. My contention is that we conscious entities are integral to the whole cosmos of existence, and indeed that a physical level of emanation of mindfulness and awareness, and knowing, and participation in creation itself, could not exist without us. Even matter has inward depths and deeper levels of structure. So too does the mind and psyche. (Those who wish for further details and the drawings which will accompany them; please let me know; for I will send no more unless I hear to the contrary; this is not general publication). My contention is also that although we are in this world we are not of this world. My understanding and theory is based both upon first hand experience and observations of other people, thought and deep contemplation. But experience is the greater part not only of theories but of life itself of course :- ) I also assert that in due course, and in their own good time, every living entity (mind) eventually comes to affirm - Ah, yes, now I see ! And at that time the sum of the parts dance together in one divine dance of creation, or cosmic existence; and both Imminent in space and time and Transcendent of space and time, at one and the same instant of being; in a unification of all that IS. Our knowledge of the transcendent aspect of our self (which so many esoterics get hung up on and do not go beyond) is only half the story. Hence my old war cry of Half Baked Mystics :-) Those who have read my book The Tractate on Transcendence, will know of this other aspect to be known, lived in, loved, and aimed for in incarnate existence. Religionists aim for a reunion with the transcendent. But those who go beyond such things (and mere beliefs and wishes), aim for its fulfilment on earth in time and space in FORM as it is in ESSENCE. WE are not here to die, but to live and love it, and become even more than we now are in the chain of being. All these things of esoteric learning have to be brought back to earth again; ad hoc. For that purpose the unity of the all in everything. Everything known in existence has to be accounted for in a justified theory and philosophy in our understanding of reality. We cannot pick and choose as to what we would like creation to be like; for it is what it is. We cannot decide to put bits in and leave bits out to suit ourselves. For what IS IS. Unlike science we cannot leave out the conscious aspect of creation: and unlike religions of priestcraft we cannot leave out the known facts of the physical universe; for to do either is but a symptom of the alienation in practice. The... 'Oh sod that lot, it is not important', kind of attitude: and a product of the Alienated Mind itself. Much like one half of the brain telling the other half to get lost :- )) My main interest is a map of the mind and psyche of emanation; but it must not conflict with what is yet known. Unless of course that which is yet speculated (not KNOWN) is wrong. But there is of course more than one way of knowing something. Most problems in human existence on earth (apart from natural disasters) are due to an alienation (Forgetfulness Cosmic Amnesia - of self and its connection with all that exists) a separation between the rational discursive mind and our non-temporal deeper self. The basis, or first level, of most human problems is that of fear (although they need NOT exist at all); fear of this that or the other, and due to this initial and necessary separation when symmetry is set up in a temporal universe a symmetry of part and anti-part. Hence psychological problems amount to a mountain of problems on earth whereas the natural disasters are what they are beyond our control. But we pick ourselves up and move on from there.
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] The message list link. Boy, I don't see it. Where is it on the page? Think outside teh box. It's just above the next/prev links. You called it a View all messages link. When you said The 'message list' link, I thought you meant that if you click the message list link, you'll see a View all messages link. But you were just correcting what the link is called, I gather. The Message list link I know about. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] The message list link. Boy, I don't see it. Where is it on the page? Think outside teh box. It's just above the next/prev links. Heh. But even the message list link is only there *sometimes*, I just discovered. After I sent that last post and clicked continued to take me back to your post that I had replied to, it was gone. But it *was* there when I first clicked Reply to your post. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Rape of Gnosis.
The Rape of Gnosis. We are not in a position to know as to how many different religions and or spiritual philosophies and belief systems have ever existed on earth. I would imagine that most of them were never even documented for posterity and the record. The interaction of human societies however, and the globalisation of ideas therefrom, would inevitably bring forth a mixing bowl of conceptualisations appertaining to metaphysical ideas, stories and myths. Consequently the world (or any evolving world) would seem to inevitably synthesise such stories into a mere handful of large scale systems of thoughtin much the same way that the commercial businesses buy each other out in the rat race to become the big and dominant one; if not the only one (a problem with men not the nature of reality itself). Millions of people worldwide claim to adhere to one of the large existing isms or doctrines, and for whatever reasons they do so. There is also the psychological (or maybe pathological) question ofOh how lovely the world would be if everybody thought the same as I did, and acted as I would like them to act. Likewise many millions of people worldwide refrain from aligning themselves with any doctrine or belief system, and simply live life by their own inner moral views and simply take what comes in life: and which seems to be becoming more common over the years. However, most of the existing world religions and spiritual philosophies are accredited to one individual, and each in their own case. Likewise is a dead social activist/initiator very useful; for they cannot argue back if and when their own original statements (and or beliefs) become distorted for reasons of commercial shelf life and saleability. Nothing quite like a dead hero for inspiration and icon status. A rare exception to this social phenomenon is that of Gnosticism. Gnosticism (the religion), like any other ism is a belief system adhered to by those believing in the phenomena of gnosis (not a particular persons assertions), an event of cognitive spiritual (metaphysical) personal encounterjust as is Mysticism. The point being that neither gnosis or mystical experiences are religions, but rather phenomena which people encounter direct and first handand invariably spontaneous events (unsolicited or self-invoked) such as are all genuine shifts of conscious experience. A typical modern day example is that of the phenomena of Near Death Experiences. The term was only coined during the middle to late sixties or thereabout (if I remember rightly) but the conscious event has presumably been encountered ever since humanity existed on earth, and just as even deeper and more revealing metaphysical experiences have done. The point being that pretty well everybody on earth has now heard of NDEs, but only a small percentage of people have the experience of one. Thus, the event thereof and the social ism thereof are not the same thing obviously; and many academics and scribes have written about the phenomena whilst without knowing it directly. The first thing that springs to mind in most people when they hear the word Gnosticism is that of two conflicting entitiesa good creator and a not so good amateur and possibly evil creator (the Demiurge) playing some kind of metaphysical chess game in which human beings are the mere pawns in the game. Much like Christianity really. The great problem with humanity is that they love to fill gaps in knowledge and understanding with their own self-imagined answers. And many folk love to jump on somebody elses pre-constructed band wagon, for it saves them working things out for themselves. Human beings encounter absolutely incredible and way out transcendent conscious events and which are superb beyond words. When normal daily consciousness is restored there comes the self-evident dichotomy and question ofHow come daily conscious experience on earth aint as good as that other mode of being!!!? And in order to dig out an answer even some of them (the direct experiencers) concoct what they consider to be an answer to that dichotomysome rotten devil is getting in the way and messing it all up here on earth, kind of thing! If this was not so true and destructive it would be funny, damned hilarious in fact. Have you ever had a good dream and then woke up to find that you have so many bills to pay and that all aint milk and honey? Well, imagine that scenario taken to the power of infinity. How come a good creation contains a rotten world? Well, it is human beings that make it a rotten world, not creation itself; and they are acts of freedom of choice and intent. Thus it becomes that people hearing about this event of gnosis also come to hear the invented answers of gap fillers, even some from the original source maybe, but predominately from later scribes and the meddling bandwagon adherents and cling-ons. Millions of people
[FairfieldLife] Spirituality and Morality in the Fourth Millennium.
Spirituality and Morality in the Fourth Millennium. On rare occasions we can be known to see a few moves ahead in the game of chess; and sometimes with certainty in the case for forced positions. But to imagine what the human existential experience, and social set-up will be like in 3005, and for that millennium, is impossible; and a thousand years is a long way off in human terms. We have no idea as to what will be discovered, what inventions will come along, what people will desire and what will motivate them in consensus terms in a thousand years time. Indeed, humanity and maybe the world itself, will not be here in a thousand years time; but I feel sure that it will be; and albeit much different from today. Thus, any comments or speculation upon that in this day and age is mere conjecture; or in some aspects of it one might say even prophetic :- ) And humanity and consensus awareness evolves as do most things here in time and space. When it comes to such things as a consensus spirituality and morality and understanding of things, I would imagine that in a thousand years time folk will look back on this period of history, the twentieth and twenty first centuries, as some kind of late antiquity wherein the social paradigm slowly began to evolve into a very different mode of existential existence on earth; and wherein, because of the speed of change, and the degree of it, many found themselves at a loss to comprehend the rapidly changing social set-up and their place in the scheme of things; and hence a deep seated alienation in psychological terms for many. And probably by virtue of this the degree of falling back into ancient superstitions and or new age speculations, and also the psychological escape by way of drugs and drink, or inventing enemies to keep them occupied and amused, etc. But we know well enough that there are some aspects of both spirituality and morality which do not change in time - and to say nothing of the depths of the human mind/psyche itself. What is new is always changing, but that which things are based upon, and the inner and deeper structure of these things, exist now, as they did thousands of years ago, and still will be in thousands of years time; and no doubt all time. Thus, one can only speculate upon the things which are known not to change, and conjecture as to how that will be addressed and put into living social practice at any time in the close or way distant future; and irrespective of the high or low state of human civilisation and technology at any one point in time or history. Society is but a thin veneer on our existence, and can wax and wane by virtue of many things, including natural disasters, climatic and ecological change, etc. But the human mind and the inner structure or psyche of our being is old indeed; and although the surface or top-side cutting edge of this evolves, the basics and its foundation do not. Hence some things will always be the same; no matter where and when incarnate life manifests and has its existence here. In the living memory of people of my own generation things have changed quite a lot. Over the last one hundred years a large percentage, if not a small majority now, have walked from the old superstitions and the doctrinal religious indoctrinated state belief systems; and it is a matter of the records that although there is a drastic decline in religion and churchianity year by year, there is no decline in what people now call spirituality (as opposed to religion). Indeed, there seems to be a growth and renewed interest in it. And whereas over the last two or three thousand years many, or the majority, were prepared to accept what they were told to believe in, in this day and age the majority are not. That is a small step in a couple of hundred years for society, but it is a giant leap in the human experiential paradigm in potential for things to come. In a nutshell people are now asking their own questions and seeking for their own experience of spirituality, one way or another, and their moral stance comes from within them (as it indeed should do anyway) rather than being inflicted upon them from outside. State laws of conduct will of course always have exist (unless we become perfect), and can be enforced, and indeed should be where need be. But morality, just like spirituality and living experience, cannot be enforced; laws do not change what a person is; they simply try to control what they do about what they are and where they are each AT. But even state laws which apply to morality were based upon the existing paradigmatic understandings of any society at any one time in history. But just as people learn and move on by way of experience, or evolve in awareness and understanding, then so too must the laws of a nation state, or the whole world, come to evolve and change by virtue of it. So, how will this be applied in a thousand years hence one
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if the New Improved Yahoo! Groups software allows cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you might want to send them an email asking what's up. Just a suggestion... Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but he¹s a ³real² person who will engage in discussion if there¹s interest. He¹s been a member here and in another (now inactive) group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. He¹s feisty and colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle that, eh? Rick, lemme get this straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dick is doing, is ok as long as it's a person who actually participates on the forum? 'Cuz, other than responding on the list, he doesn't strike me as any different than the Christian and Muslim spammers that were attempting to post to FFL recently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just bleating like a bloody castrated sheep? Star a sodding conversation for Ker-Riced sake - what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but moan moan bloody moan all the time. Hey man, you are alive, say something before you aint. Leave some bloody footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to come here eh. Dick. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@...wrote: on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com wrote: T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if the "New Improved Yahoo! Groups" software allows cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you might want to send them an email asking what's up. Just a suggestion... Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but he¹s a ³real² person who will engage in discussion if there¹s interest. He¹s been a member here and in another (now inactive) group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. He¹s feisty and colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle that, eh?Rick, lemme get this straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dickis doing, is ok as long as it's a person who actually participates onthe forum? 'Cuz, other than responding on the list, he doesn't strikeme as any different than the Christian and Muslim spammers that wereattempting to post to FFL recently. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also new is the stuff at the bottom, which, when you click the one on the left, shows all the messages for that topic threaded, which will make finding older ones a lot easier. You could arrange them in thread order in the old format too. The Up Thread option was very precise because it tracked specific conversations, so you didn't have to wade through all the posts in the thread to find the one you were looking for. There are uses for both a thread-order option and an Up Thread option. There was no reason to get rid of the Up Thread one. So if you are on this group so much why do you use the web site anyway? Why not just have the emails sent or do you just have dial-up? With broadband the volume of download messages is not an issue. And with a good email program like Thunderbird you have all kinds of ways to display, sort, mark and find messages. There seems to be a tendency here that people only reply to the recently posted message in a thread. If someone replies again to the first message of the topic because it is more germane to do so or to comment on some point that has been made that isn't one of the messages in the most active part of the thread it will get ignored. That says a lot about how people here use the list and how differently they do compared to most other group lists I'm on. In fact I would say it doesn't say much for the awareness of users on group where awareness is supposed to be the principal benefit of the theme of the group. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/6/06 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 9:48:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I thought his equating spiritual ganja with male pedophilia was sick. But Killing kitties can be fun. is so say over the top sick its hard to fathom. Hard to want to interact with someone with that POV. Umm, I could be wrong but I think Shemp is pulling your chains. LOL Good to know. Perhaps Shemp is dealing with his personal chain issues. I began to suspect that after he started praising DDT. No thats for real I believe. DDT is a standard retort of the head-in-the-sand global climate change crowd. But thats hardly an excuse. What next, will he make what he feels are really funny chain-pulling remarks about genocide, rape, lynching blacks and pedophilia? Along with his continual stream of uninformed, don't want to be informed, knuckle-head, never read anything about global climate change, vacuuous posts. Whew! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just bleating like a bloody castrated sheep? Star a sodding conversation for Ker-Riced sake - what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but moan moan bloody moan all the time. Hey man, you are alive, say something before you aint. Leave some bloody footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to come here eh. Dick. Is there not a voting system on YahooGroups? I propose a motion: This house would use its Right Foot of Indignation to kick Dick's sorry arse into the Ditch of Oblivion Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: snip There are uses for both a thread-order option and an Up Thread option. There was no reason to get rid of the Up Thread one. So if you are on this group so much why do you use the web site anyway? Why not just have the emails sent or do you just have dial- up? With broadband the volume of download messages is not an issue. I have broadband, of course, but for lots of reasons which would be too long and boring to go into, it makes more sense for me to use the Web site. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Murphy's Laws is now available
My book, Murphy's Laws of the Inner Life, is now available for purchase. Most of the members of FFL should find this book interesting as it has to do with my experiences in the TM movement, as well as other paths and the double life that doing both of these entails. I think Murphy's Laws offers readers three things: 1. Entertaining stories for those who enjoy spiritual adventures. 2. The laws themselves, which are not put forth as absolute truths but as personal truths, which might stimulate readers to think about what is really true for them. 3. A model and a technique for others who wish to use writing as a means of spiritual unfoldment. Many of us have reached an age when it is natural to reflect on what our lives have meant and what is really true for us based on our experience. I think the technique that I have stumbled across is excellent for this. I give details on how to use it in my introduction. Murphy's Laws can be ordered from lulu.com at http://www.lulu.com/ content/255081 or from my Web site which will redirect you to Lulu: http:// dawnhawk.com . At either site you can also read the back cover material and the first few chapters to help you decide if this is a book that you would enjoy. If you have any friends (or mailing lists) who you think might enjoy such a book, I would be extremely grateful if you would forward this information to them. I am depending on word of mouth (and internet) to get the word out. Michael Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just bleating like a bloody castrated sheep? Star a sodding conversation for Ker-Riced sake - what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but moan moan bloody moan all the time. Hey man, you are alive, say something before you aint. Leave some bloody footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to come here eh. Dick. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:36 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if the New Improved Yahoo! Groups software allows cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you might want to send them an email asking what's up. Just a suggestion... Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but he1s a 3real2 person who will engage in discussion if there1s interest. He1s been a member here and in another (now inactive) group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. He1s feisty and colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle that, eh? Rick, lemme get this straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dick is doing, is ok as long as it's a person who actually participates on the forum? 'Cuz, other than responding on the list, he doesn't strike me as any different than the Christian and Muslim spammers that were attempting to post to FFL recently. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just bleating like a bloody castrated sheep? Star a sodding conversation for Ker- Riced sake - what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but moan moan bloody moan all the time. Hey man, you are alive, say something before you aint. Leave some bloody footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to come here eh. Dick. Hi Dick, Not too interested in posterity, or bleating for that matter...Nonetheless, I read some of what is on your website- and find a lot on your website in common with my basic perspective; here to BE and live a life both personal and transcendent. (enjoyed the few poems I read also). So perhaps I am just too lazy or disinterested in books in general to plow through all of what you've written, and for that I apologize in advance, but my question is, given you explanations of the phenomenal world, and the strange interface we enjoy in it, do you find evidence of more evolved beings, such as gods and angels, or is it purely a world of us BEING? Thanks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Murphy's Laws is now available
I earlier read some the excerpts for which you provided links. I liked it. You seem to have well distilled some life experiences. Publishing question: Will you be making it available on Amazon? If so, how does that work? Do you supply them with x copies? Or do they get books from Lulu -- as orders come in? Or simply drop-ship from LuLu? Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ashelkent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My book, Murphy's Laws of the Inner Life, is now available for purchase. Most of the members of FFL should find this book interesting as it has to do with my experiences in the TM movement, as well as other paths and the double life that doing both of these entails. I think Murphy's Laws offers readers three things: 1. Entertaining stories for those who enjoy spiritual adventures. 2. The laws themselves, which are not put forth as absolute truths but as personal truths, which might stimulate readers to think about what is really true for them. 3. A model and a technique for others who wish to use writing as a means of spiritual unfoldment. Many of us have reached an age when it is natural to reflect on what our lives have meant and what is really true for us based on our experience. I think the technique that I have stumbled across is excellent for this. I give details on how to use it in my introduction. Murphy's Laws can be ordered from lulu.com at http://www.lulu.com/ content/255081 or from my Web site which will redirect you to Lulu: http:// dawnhawk.com . At either site you can also read the back cover material and the first few chapters to help you decide if this is a book that you would enjoy. If you have any friends (or mailing lists) who you think might enjoy such a book, I would be extremely grateful if you would forward this information to them. I am depending on word of mouth (and internet) to get the word out. Michael Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick on 6/6/06 11:36 AM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/6/06 4:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote: T'would seem, from some of today's traffic, as if the New Improved Yahoo! Groups software allows cross-posting by non-members. If so, that's IMO a classically Bad Thing. As list moderator, you might want to send them an email asking what's up. Just a suggestion... Dick may have posted the same message to several groups, but hes a real person who will engage in discussion if theres interest. Hes been a member here and in another (now inactive) group I manage, and IMO is a good fellow. Hes feisty and colorful and can be quite argumentative, but we can handle that, eh? Rick, lemme get this straight. Folks posting canned content, like Dick is doing, is ok as long as it's a person who actually participates on the forum? 'Cuz, other than responding on the list, he doesn't strike me as any different than the Christian and Muslim spammers that were attempting to post to FFL recently. My attitude is that if the Muslim and Christian spammers actually monitored the forums to which they post their pre-written pieces, and engaged in a dialog with people who cared to respond to them, that would be OK. Dick is obviously monitoring the forum and ready to discuss what hes posting. If no one cares to do that, so be it. Hell run out of pre-written things to post. Posting a pre-written thing is no different than posting an interesting article one finds in the hope of stirring up discussion. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, why do you not try saying something instead of just bleating like a bloody castrated sheep? Star a sodding conversation for Ker-Riced sake - what's the matter with you lot here - nothing but moan moan bloody moan all the time. Hey man, you are alive, say something before you aint. Leave some bloody footprints in the sands of time for kids yet to come here eh. Dick. This is Rick's group, but he did make me a moderator, and I'm trying to clarify Rick's position with respect to what constitutes spam and/or inappropriate self-promotion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of us... Sal On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, feste37 wrote: You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
oh sal, you aren't egotistical. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of us... Sal On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, feste37 wrote: You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
Guess I'll have to try harder, then--good to know I've got the rude, boring part down though... :) Sal On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:43 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote: oh sal, you aren't egotistical. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of us... > > Sal > > > On Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, feste37 wrote: > > > You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away? >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Murphy's Laws is now available
Why do you charge money for it? Why not put it as free download on the internet? Life experience does not cost us anything - comes free goes free; yeah? We can always do other things to earn cash - no prob. Dick. - Original Message - From: ashelkent To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Murphy's Laws is now available My book, Murphy's Laws of the Inner Life, is now available for purchase. Most of the members of FFL should find this book interesting as it has to do with my experiences in the TM movement, as well as other paths and the double life that doing both of these entails.I think Murphy's Laws offers readers three things:1. Entertaining stories for those who enjoy spiritual adventures.2. The laws themselves, which are not put forth as absolute truths but as personal truths, which might stimulate readers to think about what is really true for them.3. A model and a technique for others who wish to use writing as a means of spiritual unfoldment. Many of us have reached an age when it is natural to reflect on what our lives have meant and what is really true for us based on our experience. I think the technique that I have stumbled across is excellent for this. I give details on how to use it in my introduction.Murphy's Laws can be ordered from lulu.com at http://www.lulu.com/content/255081 or from my Web site which will redirect you to Lulu: http://dawnhawk.com . At either site you can also read the back cover material and the first few chapters to help you decide if this is a book that you would enjoy.If you have any friends (or mailing lists) who you think might enjoy such a book, I would be extremely grateful if you would forward this information to them. I am depending on word of mouth (and internet) to get the word out.Michael __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] hi jim
Well hi there Jim - live conversation at last eh. Interesting point is it not. Yes, I have implications of other levels of some kind of incarnate forms existing elsewhere - but ONLY implications; and implications do not interest me too much, I HAVE to know things from first hand experience - the rest is hearsay to me (even if it is true). And I am living this life here and now, not another one or somebody else's. The stuff is here and now. Fine if you have not got the time or interest to read it all :- ) There are 6.4 billion people here so they tell me (I have not counted them myself) but a tiny percentage of a hell of a lot is a tidy bit :- It gets read a lot every day, and it goes down well so they tell me. Sorry to hear that you have no interest in the world to come (or maybe I misunderstood you). But what you and I do today (all of us) is the foundation of tomorrow and the kids that will come here. Let us make a better world for them to come into than the one we found sixty years ago eh. Writing helps, I know. I did not think it would when they asked me to do it years ago - but it does make a difference. So I was wrong and they were right. We live and learn eh. Isit not a waste not to pass on our hard earned experience of life - and for FREE to the next generations. I think it is important. Experience is not JUST for ourselves. Dick. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick Hi Dick,Not too interested in posterity, or bleating for that matter...Nonetheless, I read some of what is on your website- and find a lot on your website in common with my basic perspective; here to BE and live a life both personal and transcendent. (enjoyed the few poems I read also).So perhaps I am just too lazy or disinterested in books in general to plow through all of what you've written, and for that I apologize in advance, but my question is, given you explanations of the phenomenal world, and the strange interface we enjoy in it, do you find evidence of more evolved beings, such as gods and angels, or is it purely a world of us BEING?Thanks __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick
Oh you are a breath of divine air in stagnant smelly pool Ma'am - I will love you for ever - honest. Sir Richard of Exmoor. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick Probably because he fits in so well with the rest of us...SalOn Jun 6, 2006, at 12:16 PM, feste37 wrote: You seem like a rude, egotistical old bore. Why don't you just go away? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/6/06 9:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 9:48:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I thought his equating spiritual ganja with male pedophilia was sick. But Killing kitties can be fun. is so say over the top sick its hard to fathom. Hard to want to interact with someone with that POV. Umm, I could be wrong but I think Shemp is pulling your chains. LOL I began to suspect that after he started praising DDT. Oh, no. The praise for DDT is real...and the statistic on millions who have died as a result of the environmentalists' success in getting DDT banned in 3rd world countries is only too real. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/6/06 9:50 AM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 9:48:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I thought his equating spiritual ganja with male pedophilia was sick. But Killing kitties can be fun. is so say over the top sick its hard to fathom. Hard to want to interact with someone with that POV. Umm, I could be wrong but I think Shemp is pulling your chains. LOL Good to know. Perhaps Shemp is dealing with his personal chain issues. I began to suspect that after he started praising DDT. No thats for real I believe. DDT is a standard retort of the head-in-the-sand global climate change crowd. That's all you've got to say about millions who died as a result of the environmentalists' successful ban of DDT...that's it's a standard retort? No acknowledgement that it's a correct assessment? No admission that the environmentalists were wrong and 10s of millions of the world's poor died as a result? Oh, my. But thats hardly an excuse. What next, will he make what he feels are really funny chain-pulling remarks about genocide, rape, lynching blacks and pedophilia? Along with his continual stream of uninformed, don't want to be informed, knuckle-head, never read anything about global climate change, vacuuous posts. Whew! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: IMPORTANT: Deer Tick Warning!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/6/06 9:50 AM, MDixon6569@ at MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 6/5/06 9:48:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I thought his equating spiritual ganja with male pedophilia was sick. But Killing kitties can be fun. is so say over the top sick its hard to fathom. Hard to want to interact with someone with that POV. Umm, I could be wrong but I think Shemp is pulling your chains. LOL Good to know. Perhaps Shemp is dealing with his personal chain issues. I began to suspect that after he started praising DDT. No thats for real I believe. DDT is a standard retort of the head-in-the-sand global climate change crowd. But thats hardly an excuse. What next, will he make what he feels are really funny chain-pulling remarks about genocide, rape, lynching blacks and pedophilia? Along with his continual stream of uninformed, don't want to be informed, knuckle-head, never read anything about global climate change, vacuuous posts. Whew! Actually, when you make comments like you did about that U of C professor from that column that I posted, I am led to believe that you are of the same intolerant ilk that the columnist was talking about. So I'm not really interested in dialoguing with you. As for genocide, rape. lunching blacks, etc. comment of yours...well, we'll let that speak for itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Tantric Sexual Practices (was Urdhva-retas?)
peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: [snip] [..] I'm a practicing tantrik and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Nice pun :-) Tantra is not about sex. You do tantra a disservice just as Rajneesh did and many westerners who don't understand what tantra really is. Go find a real tantrik guru and study with him a few years and then we'll have a serious discussion about tantra. Let me see if I got this right, you are addressing a male and direct him to another male for instruction in tantric sexual practices (the subject of this thread). The defense rests.. :-) Wrong, you must've missed the first sentence in the paragraph of mine you just quoted above. [snip] No, I just read the subject header before replying: Tantric Sexual Practices Did you? I certainly did. Why else as a tantrik would I have responded to such a topic. It should have read pseudo-tantric sexual practices. Oh well as we see the topic has degenerated into yet another writer's spat. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Darkness Returning ??
What happened to rising Sat Yuga? Apparently dark clouds are upon us once again ... thus this urgent letter from Vedic City. Raja Wynne expresses grave concern over the next few weeks? Can anyone explain this? [text of email message 6/6/6 11AM] Dear Maharishi Vedic City Community, There will be a Town Meeting this Thursday, June 8th, at 8 p.m. in the main lecture hall of Headley Hall. (Headley Hall is located on Mansion Drive, behind RajaWynne's house.) The purpose of this meeting is to finalize our plans for immediately beginning group flying at convenient locations in and around Maharishi Vedic City. The Fairfield Sidha community will be holding a similar meeting the same evening for the same purpose. As everyone knows, the United States was one of the countries adopted by International for the purpose of creating an invincible nation free from war and all problems. The way to achieve this is group practice of the TM Sidhi program. Recently Raja Wynne has expressed grave concern about the well-being of our country over the next few weeks. We need to respond to the challenge of these times by doing our utmost to avert any dangers to our country or any wrong-doing by our country. We look forward to seeing everyone on Thursday night. Jai Guru Dev Cynthia Parker and Mac Muehlman Directors, Maharishi Peace Palace of Maharishi Vedic City [as everyone knows, ha ha ha ... NOT!] -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Darkness Returning ??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What happened to rising Sat Yuga? Apparently dark clouds are upon us once again ... thus this urgent letter from Vedic City. Raja Wynne expresses grave concern over the next few weeks? Can anyone explain this? The Movement needs more money? [text of email message 6/6/6 11AM] Dear Maharishi Vedic City Community, There will be a Town Meeting this Thursday, June 8th, at 8 p.m. in the main lecture hall of Headley Hall. (Headley Hall is located on Mansion Drive, behind RajaWynne's house.) The purpose of this meeting is to finalize our plans for immediately beginning group flying at convenient locations in and around Maharishi Vedic City. The Fairfield Sidha community will be holding a similar meeting the same evening for the same purpose. As everyone knows, the United States was one of the countries adopted by International for the purpose of creating an invincible nation free from war and all problems. The way to achieve this is group practice of the TM Sidhi program. Recently Raja Wynne has expressed grave concern about the well- being of our country over the next few weeks. We need to respond to the challenge of these times by doing our utmost to avert any dangers to our country or any wrong-doing by our country. We look forward to seeing everyone on Thursday night. Jai Guru Dev Cynthia Parker and Mac Muehlman Directors, Maharishi Peace Palace of Maharishi Vedic City [as everyone knows, ha ha ha ... NOT!] -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] DDT, was: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
Title: DDT, was: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya on 6/6/06 2:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all you've got to say about millions who died as a result of the environmentalists' successful ban of DDT...that's it's a standard retort? How did these millions die? There was no alternative preferable to DDT? What would have been the consequences if we had continued to use DDT to save these millions? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] If you knew of a spiritual practice that you were *certain*
In this month last year this list had 5302 emails the most it has had in a month, and a hell of a lot. I picked one at random, and which asked this fascinating question . ["If you knew of a spiritual practice that you were *certain* produced beneficial effects to all who practice it, and produced equally beneficial effects for the world as a whole, and you had the ability to legislate the practice and force everyone to do it, would it be ethical to do so; that is, would such an approach be in accord with the dharma?"] My answer is no, I would not do it. If I had a magic wand to give people the deepest known transcendent mystical experience then I would bury it many fathoms deep so that nobody would ever find it. These things MUST happen to people when they are ready to cope with it not before. Their inner system of dynamics knows when they can cope with it or they would not have had it. One does not mess with other peoples minds and lives talking can be both food for thought or turmoil for some and that is problematic enough, and a choice we each have to make. Leave their inner growth to themselves. But mere words here or there can help a little and for those whos ears cannot hear it then no problem, for they will wave it anyway. As for legislation of state laws, then that is invariable a hotchpotch made by fools and greedy sods for bigger fools and even more greedy sods. Merlin. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Bring back DDT
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html Bring Back DDT, and Science With It! By Marjorie Mazel Hecht What DDT Can Do Banned to Kill People The Silent Spring Fraud POPs Convention Is Genocide Full text of Editorial from Summer 2002 issue The 1972 U.S. ban on DDT is responsible for a genocide 10 times larger than that for which we sent Nazis to the gallows at Nuremberg. It is also responsible for a menticide which has already condemned one entire generation to a dark age of anti-science ignorance, and is now infecting a new one. The lies and hysteria spread to defend the DDT ban are typical of the irrationalist, anti-science wave which has virtually destroyed rational forms of discourse in our society. If you want to save scienceand human livesthe fight to bring back DDT, now being championed by that very electable candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., had better be at the top of your agenda. Sixty million people have died needlessly of malaria, since the imposition of the 1972 ban on DDT, and hundreds of millions more have suffered from this debilitating disease. The majority of those affected are children. Of the 300 to 500 million new cases of malaria each year, 200 to 300 million are children, and malaria now kills one child every 30 seconds. Ninety percent of the reported cases of malaria are in Africa, and 40 percent of the world's population, inhabitants of tropical countries, are threatened by the increasing incidence of malaria. The DDT ban does not only affect tropical nations. In the wake of the DDT ban, the United States stopped its mosquito control programs, cutting the budgets for mosquito control and monitoring. Exactly as scientists had warned 25 years ago, we are now facing increases of mosquito-borne killer diseasesWest Nile fever and dengue, to name the most prominent. Christopher Sloan What DDT Can Do Malaria is a preventable mosquito-borne disease. It can be controlled by spraying a tiny amount of DDT on the walls of houses twice a year. DDT is cheaper than other pesticides, more effective, and not harmful to human beings or animals. Even where mosquito populations have developed resistance to DDT, it is more effective (and less problematic) than alternative chemicals. The reason is that mosquitoes are repelled by the DDT on house walls and do not stay around to bite and infect the inhabitants. This effect is known as excito-repellency, and has been shown to be a dominant way that DDT controls malaria-bearing mosquitoes, in addition to killing them on contact.1 Studies have demonstrated this for all major species of malaria-bearing mosquitoes. It costs only $1.44 per year to spray one house with DDT. The more toxic substitutes cost as much as 10 to 20 times more and require more frequent applications, making spraying programs prohibitively expensive. In addition, replacement pesticides have to be applied more frequently and are more toxic. Banned to Kill People DDT came into use during World War II, and in a very short time saved more lives and prevented more diseases than any other man-made chemical in history. Millions of troops and civilians, in particular war refugees, were saved from typhus because one DDT dusting killed the body lice that spread that dread disease. Why was DDT banned, 30 years after its World War II introduction and spectacular success in saving lives? The reason was stated bluntly by Alexander King, founder of the Malthusian Club of Rome, who wrote in a biographical essay in 1990, My chief quarrel with DDT in hindsight is that it has greatly added to the population problem. King was particularly concerned that DDT had dramatically cut the death rates in the developing sector, and thus increased population growth. As King correctly observed, the incidence of malaria, and its death rates, were vastly reduced by DDT spraying. To take one example: Sri Lanka (Ceylon) had 2.8 million cases of malaria and more than 12,500 deaths in 1946, before the use of DDT. In 1963, after a large-scale spraying campaign, the number of cases fell to 17, and the number of deaths fell to 1. But five years after the stop of spraying, in 1969, the number of deaths had climbed to 113, and the number of cases to 500,000. Today, malaria rates have soared in countries that stopped spraying. In South Africa, the malaria incidence increased by 1,000 percent in the late 1990s. The Silent Spring Fraud The campaign to ban DDT got its start with the publication of Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring in 1962. Carson's popular book was a fraud. She played on people's emotions, and to do so, she selected and falsified data from scientific studies, as entomologist Dr. J. Gordon Edwards has documented in his analysis of the original scientific studies that Carson cited.2 As a result of the propaganda and lies, the U.S. Environmental
Re: [FairfieldLife] Darkness Returning ??
In a message dated 6/6/06 2:12:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What happened to rising Sat Yuga? Apparently dark clouds are upon us once again ... thus this urgent letter from Vedic City. Raja Wynne expresses "grave concern" over the next few weeks? Can anyone explain this? [text of email message 6/6/6 11AM]Dear Maharishi Vedic City Community, H. notice the date of the text message. LOL __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Actually, when you make comments like you did about that U of C professor from that column that I posted, I am led to believe that you are of the same intolerant ilk that the columnist was talking about. So I'm not really interested in dialoguing with you. No more vacuuous posts? Any more benefits? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: new format?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] The message list link. Boy, I don't see it. Where is it on the page? Think outside teh box. It's just above the next/prev links. Heh. But even the message list link is only there *sometimes*, I just discovered. After I sent that last post and clicked continued to take me back to your post that I had replied to, it was gone. But it *was* there when I first clicked Reply to your post. The case of the missing link? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] DDT, was: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
In a message dated 6/6/06 2:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 6/6/06 2:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all you've got to say about millions who died as a result of the environmentalists' successful ban of DDT...that's it's "a standard retort"?How did these millions die? There was no alternative preferable to DDT? What would have been the consequences if we had continued to use DDT to “save” these “millions?” How much DDT would it take to kill every living Mosquito that carried malaria on earth and how would it impactthe rest of life on earth? Some times the "cure" can be worse than the "disease". __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: hi jim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well hi there Jim - live conversation at last eh. Well, in response to your previous messages, and the signed name Merlin, I saw in my mind's eye a bearded patriarch shaking his crooked stick at the sky, and thought Looks like fun!. Interesting point is it not. Yes, I have implications of other levels of some kind of incarnate forms existing elsewhere - but ONLY implications; and implications do not interest me too much, I HAVE to know things from first hand experience - the rest is hearsay to me (even if it is true). And I am living this life here and now, not another one or somebody else's. The stuff is here and now. Yes. Agreed. I asked the question to quickly find out more about the structure of this gnosis experience of yours- recognizing of course its dynamic and ever evolving nature, as the essence of life itself... Fine if you have not got the time or interest to read it all :- ) There are 6.4 billion people here so they tell me (I have not counted them myself) but a tiny percentage of a hell of a lot is a tidy bit :- It gets read a lot every day, and it goes down well so they tell me. Sounds good- once I read some, I *got* the rest, and I tend to read anything of substantial length (tens of pages, upward) like that anyway. Get the signature, essence, or seed of consciousness of the writing and then allow it to bloom in my mind. Sorry to hear that you have no interest in the world to come (or maybe I misunderstood you). But what you and I do today (all of us) is the foundation of tomorrow and the kids that will come here. Let us make a better world for them to come into than the one we found sixty years ago eh. Writing helps, I know. I did not think it would when they asked me to do it years ago - but it does make a difference. So I was wrong and they were right. We live and learn eh. Is it not a waste not to pass on our hard earned experience of life - and for FREE to the next generations. I think it is important. Experience is not JUST for ourselves. Again, agreed. I should have said I was not interested in posterity in and of itself; 'take care of the present and the future takes care of itself'. I have a daughter and always marvel at the quality of her soul. I enjoy writing also, though far briefer than book length. My favorite form of communication is through my art, because although a wholeness, a complete thought, is created at the conclusion of a piece, I am never quite sure what it means, except that the meaning is immediate. Dick. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Rick Hi Dick, Not too interested in posterity, or bleating for that matter...Nonetheless, I read some of what is on your website- and find a lot on your website in common with my basic perspective; here to BE and live a life both personal and transcendent. (enjoyed the few poems I read also). So perhaps I am just too lazy or disinterested in books in general to plow through all of what you've written, and for that I apologize in advance, but my question is, given you explanations of the phenomenal world, and the strange interface we enjoy in it, do you find evidence of more evolved beings, such as gods and angels, or is it purely a world of us BEING? Thanks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bring back DDT
May you wake up in Bombay tomorrow morning and see if you still want DDT. It'll smell like they sprayed Detol all over the city. Apparently to some folks idea of science is tightly bound to making money. shempmcgurk wrote: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html Bring Back DDT, and Science With It! By Marjorie Mazel Hecht What DDT Can Do Banned to Kill People The Silent Spring Fraud POPs Convention Is Genocide Full text of Editorial from Summer 2002 issue The 1972 U.S. ban on DDT is responsible for a genocide 10 times larger than that for which we sent Nazis to the gallows at Nuremberg. It is also responsible for a menticide which has already condemned one entire generation to a dark age of anti-science ignorance, and is now infecting a new one. The lies and hysteria spread to defend the DDT ban are typical of the irrationalist, anti-science wave which has virtually destroyed rational forms of discourse in our society. If you want to save science—and human lives—the fight to bring back DDT, now being championed by that very electable candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., had better be at the top of your agenda. Sixty million people have died needlessly of malaria, since the imposition of the 1972 ban on DDT, and hundreds of millions more have suffered from this debilitating disease. The majority of those affected are children. Of the 300 to 500 million new cases of malaria each year, 200 to 300 million are children, and malaria now kills one child every 30 seconds. Ninety percent of the reported cases of malaria are in Africa, and 40 percent of the world's population, inhabitants of tropical countries, are threatened by the increasing incidence of malaria. The DDT ban does not only affect tropical nations. In the wake of the DDT ban, the United States stopped its mosquito control programs, cutting the budgets for mosquito control and monitoring. Exactly as scientists had warned 25 years ago, we are now facing increases of mosquito-borne killer diseases—West Nile fever and dengue, to name the most prominent. Christopher Sloan What DDT Can Do Malaria is a preventable mosquito-borne disease. It can be controlled by spraying a tiny amount of DDT on the walls of houses twice a year. DDT is cheaper than other pesticides, more effective, and not harmful to human beings or animals. Even where mosquito populations have developed resistance to DDT, it is more effective (and less problematic) than alternative chemicals. The reason is that mosquitoes are repelled by the DDT on house walls and do not stay around to bite and infect the inhabitants. This effect is known as excito-repellency, and has been shown to be a dominant way that DDT controls malaria-bearing mosquitoes, in addition to killing them on contact.1 Studies have demonstrated this for all major species of malaria-bearing mosquitoes. It costs only $1.44 per year to spray one house with DDT. The more toxic substitutes cost as much as 10 to 20 times more and require more frequent applications, making spraying programs prohibitively expensive. In addition, replacement pesticides have to be applied more frequently and are more toxic. Banned to Kill People DDT came into use during World War II, and in a very short time saved more lives and prevented more diseases than any other man-made chemical in history. Millions of troops and civilians, in particular war refugees, were saved from typhus because one DDT dusting killed the body lice that spread that dread disease. Why was DDT banned, 30 years after its World War II introduction and spectacular success in saving lives? The reason was stated bluntly by Alexander King, founder of the Malthusian Club of Rome, who wrote in a biographical essay in 1990, My chief quarrel with DDT in hindsight is that it has greatly added to the population problem. King was particularly concerned that DDT had dramatically cut the death rates in the developing sector, and thus increased population growth. As King correctly observed, the incidence of malaria, and its death rates, were vastly reduced by DDT spraying. To take one example: Sri Lanka (Ceylon) had 2.8 million cases of malaria and more than 12,500 deaths in 1946, before the use of DDT. In 1963, after a large-scale spraying campaign, the number of cases fell to 17, and the number of deaths fell to 1. But five years after the stop of spraying, in 1969, the number of deaths had climbed to 113, and the number of cases to 500,000. Today, malaria rates have soared in countries that stopped spraying. In South Africa, the malaria incidence increased by 1,000 percent in the late 1990s. The Silent Spring Fraud The campaign to ban DDT got its start with the publication of Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring in 1962. Carson's popular book was a fraud. She played on people's emotions, and to do so, she selected and falsified
[FairfieldLife] Re: DDT, was: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/6/06 2:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all you've got to say about millions who died as a result of the environmentalists' successful ban of DDT...that's it's a standard retort? How did these millions die? Malaria, other diseases that would have been eradicated by disease- bearing mosquitoes et. al. had DDT been allowed to be used. There was no alternative preferable to DDT? DDT is/was a wonder pesticide. Apparently, nothing comes close to it in its effectiveness. What would have been the consequences if we had continued to use DDT to ³save² these ³millions?² Uh, they'd be alive? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new_morning_blank_slate no_reply@ wrote: Actually, when you make comments like you did about that U of C professor from that column that I posted, I am led to believe that you are of the same intolerant ilk that the columnist was talking about. So I'm not really interested in dialoguing with you. No more vacuuous posts? Any more benefits? The vaccuuos posts continue at my pleasure...the attempts to dialogue with a superior being such as yourself cease. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DDT, was: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/6/06 2:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 6/6/06 2:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all you've got to say about millions who died as a result of the environmentalists' successful ban of DDT...that's it's a standard retort? How did these millions die? There was no alternative preferable to DDT? What would have been the consequences if we had continued to use DDT to âsaveâ these âmillions?â How much DDT would it take to kill every living Mosquito that carried malaria on earth and how would it impact the rest of life on earth? Some times the cure can be worse than the disease. Well, you know what Lenin said: You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. So, what's 30 or 40 million black Africans more or less, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bring back DDT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May you wake up in Bombay tomorrow morning and see if you still want DDT. It'll smell like they sprayed Detol all over the city. Apparently to some folks idea of science is tightly bound to making money. Like the typical liberal that you are, you don't give a shit how many millions die because of your silly policies. If the left's policies to stop global warming are put into effect, many more millions will die. And, of course, the Left doesn't give a rat's ass... shempmcgurk wrote: http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html Bring Back DDT, and Science With It! By Marjorie Mazel Hecht What DDT Can Do Banned to Kill People The Silent Spring Fraud POPs Convention Is Genocide Full text of Editorial from Summer 2002 issue The 1972 U.S. ban on DDT is responsible for a genocide 10 times larger than that for which we sent Nazis to the gallows at Nuremberg. It is also responsible for a menticide which has already condemned one entire generation to a dark age of anti-science ignorance, and is now infecting a new one. The lies and hysteria spread to defend the DDT ban are typical of the irrationalist, anti-science wave which has virtually destroyed rational forms of discourse in our society. If you want to save scienceand human livesthe fight to bring back DDT, now being championed by that very electable candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination, Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., had better be at the top of your agenda. Sixty million people have died needlessly of malaria, since the imposition of the 1972 ban on DDT, and hundreds of millions more have suffered from this debilitating disease. The majority of those affected are children. Of the 300 to 500 million new cases of malaria each year, 200 to 300 million are children, and malaria now kills one child every 30 seconds. Ninety percent of the reported cases of malaria are in Africa, and 40 percent of the world's population, inhabitants of tropical countries, are threatened by the increasing incidence of malaria. The DDT ban does not only affect tropical nations. In the wake of the DDT ban, the United States stopped its mosquito control programs, cutting the budgets for mosquito control and monitoring. Exactly as scientists had warned 25 years ago, we are now facing increases of mosquito-borne killer diseasesWest Nile fever and dengue, to name the most prominent. Christopher Sloan What DDT Can Do Malaria is a preventable mosquito-borne disease. It can be controlled by spraying a tiny amount of DDT on the walls of houses twice a year. DDT is cheaper than other pesticides, more effective, and not harmful to human beings or animals. Even where mosquito populations have developed resistance to DDT, it is more effective (and less problematic) than alternative chemicals. The reason is that mosquitoes are repelled by the DDT on house walls and do not stay around to bite and infect the inhabitants. This effect is known as excito-repellency, and has been shown to be a dominant way that DDT controls malaria-bearing mosquitoes, in addition to killing them on contact.1 Studies have demonstrated this for all major species of malaria-bearing mosquitoes. It costs only $1.44 per year to spray one house with DDT. The more toxic substitutes cost as much as 10 to 20 times more and require more frequent applications, making spraying programs prohibitively expensive. In addition, replacement pesticides have to be applied more frequently and are more toxic. Banned to Kill People DDT came into use during World War II, and in a very short time saved more lives and prevented more diseases than any other man- made chemical in history. Millions of troops and civilians, in particular war refugees, were saved from typhus because one DDT dusting killed the body lice that spread that dread disease. Why was DDT banned, 30 years after its World War II introduction and spectacular success in saving lives? The reason was stated bluntly by Alexander King, founder of the Malthusian Club of Rome, who wrote in a biographical essay in 1990, My chief quarrel with DDT in hindsight is that it has greatly added to the population problem. King was particularly concerned that DDT had dramatically cut the death rates in the developing sector, and thus increased population growth. As King correctly observed, the incidence of malaria, and its death rates, were vastly reduced by DDT spraying. To take one example: Sri Lanka (Ceylon) had 2.8 million cases of malaria and more than 12,500 deaths in 1946, before the use of DDT. In 1963, after a large- scale spraying campaign, the number of cases fell to 17, and the number of deaths fell to 1. But five years after the stop of spraying, in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: hi jim
Good luck with your art there Jim - the world needs it. Like music it can inspire the mind, elevate the soul and expand consciousness. Good stuff. And good luck with the kido there - yeah I love em too, I have five of my own their ages are 48 44 28 25 and 15 - - four girls and a boy - and a few grandchildren too with more to come no doubt. I love kids. We also fostered a coloured girl from the slums of Bristol some years back, and she is now a grown woman and doing oh so well. So life has been kind to me - 67 and never yet been ill or even had a headache as yet - and yet oh so busy - probably too busy to get ill - and I have been smoking since I was four - but ssshhh, I am not recommending it :- Dick. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: hi jim . __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does Any of This Ring True To Anyone?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tomflocco.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Don't believe it one company US Search has sent thousands of messages and I listed them as spam and still they keep comming. STINKS Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: DDT, was: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
Looks like the right wing DDT propaganda ignores some important facts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT_ban Although the publication of Silent Spring undoubtedly influenced the U.S. ban on DDT in 1972, the reduced usage of DDT in malaria eradication began the decade before because of the emergence of DDT-resistant mosquitoes. Indeed, Paul Russell, a former head of the Allied Anti-Malaria campaign, observed that eradication programs had to be wary of relying on DDT for too long as resistance has appeared [after] six or seven years. Furthermore, the application of DDT that proved most troubling to environmentalists (and indeed, health officials) was in agriculture. Even as anti-malaria programs were reducing their usage of DDT, producers of cotton and other cash crops were spraying ever increasing amounts of the pesticide, further limiting DDT's overall effectiveness. As noted above, El Salvador actually saw its cases of malaria increase during years of high DDT usage, directly contradicting the claims of Crichton and others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/6/06 2:01 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: That's all you've got to say about millions who died as a result of the environmentalists' successful ban of DDT...that's it's a standard retort? How did these millions die? Malaria, other diseases that would have been eradicated by disease- bearing mosquitoes et. al. had DDT been allowed to be used. There was no alternative preferable to DDT? DDT is/was a wonder pesticide. Apparently, nothing comes close to it in its effectiveness. What would have been the consequences if we had continued to use DDT to ³save² these ³millions?² Uh, they'd be alive? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Darkness Returning ??
Apparently Hindus believe that today (06-06-2006) is a very significant day that occurs once every 65,000 years. Supposedly a lot of changes are supposed to occur. george_deforest wrote: What happened to rising Sat Yuga? Apparently dark clouds are upon us once again ... thus this urgent letter from Vedic City. Raja Wynne expresses grave concern over the next few weeks? Can anyone explain this? [text of email message 6/6/6 11AM] Dear Maharishi Vedic City Community, There will be a Town Meeting this Thursday, June 8th, at 8 p.m. in the main lecture hall of Headley Hall. (Headley Hall is located on Mansion Drive, behind RajaWynne's house.) The purpose of this meeting is to finalize our plans for immediately beginning group flying at convenient locations in and around Maharishi Vedic City. The Fairfield Sidha community will be holding a similar meeting the same evening for the same purpose. As everyone knows, the United States was one of the countries adopted by International for the purpose of creating an invincible nation free from war and all problems. The way to achieve this is group practice of the TM Sidhi program. Recently Raja Wynne has expressed grave concern about the well-being of our country over the next few weeks. We need to respond to the challenge of these times by doing our utmost to avert any dangers to our country or any wrong-doing by our country. We look forward to seeing everyone on Thursday night. Jai Guru Dev Cynthia Parker and Mac Muehlman Directors, Maharishi Peace Palace of Maharishi Vedic City [as everyone knows, ha ha ha ... NOT!] -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: If you knew of a spiritual practice that you were *certain*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this month last year this list had 5302 emails - the most it has had in a month, and a hell of a lot. I picked one at random, and which asked this fascinating question.. [If you knew of a spiritual practice that you were *certain* produced beneficial effects to all who practice it, and produced equally beneficial effects for the world as a whole, and you had the ability to legislate the practice and force everyone to do it, would it be ethical to do so; that is, would such an approach be in accord with the dharma?] My answer is no, I would not do it. If I had a magic wand to give people the deepest known transcendent mystical experience then I would bury it many fathoms deep so that nobody would ever find it. These things MUST happen to people when they are ready to cope with it - not before. Their inner system of dynamics knows when they can cope with it or they would not have had it. Fine, but now could you answer the question that was asked? One does not mess with other peoples minds and lives - talking can be both food for thought or turmoil for some - and that is problematic enough, and a choice we each have to make. Leave their inner growth to themselves. But mere words here or there can help a little - and for those who's ears cannot hear it then no problem, for they will wave it anyway. As for legislation of state laws, then that is invariable a hotchpotch made by fools and greedy sods for bigger fools and even more greedy sods. Merlin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] DDT, was: Cat Killings, was: Kumbaya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/6/06 2:17:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 6/6/06 2:01 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all you've got to say about millions who died as a result of the environmentalists' successful ban of DDT...that's it's a standard retort? How did these millions die? There was no alternative preferable to DDT? What would have been the consequences if we had continued to use DDT to “save” these “millions?” How much DDT would it take to kill every living Mosquito that carried malaria on earth and how would it impact the rest of life on earth? Some times the cure can be worse than the disease. Not to mention that some indigenous populations had a cure for Malaria. It was a tree bark, chinchona from which quinine evolved. When I went to India the tour notes said to wait until arriving their to purchase malaria medicines as what cost about $1 a pill there costs $100 here. However I was there out of mosquito season so it wasn't needed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
