[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > I have some seniority too, since post #67, September 28, 2001,  is mine 
> > (under a different handle). I've been here ever since. 
> > 
> >
> 
> No it should go to a mediator meditator.  It is time for: 
> !Return of Anti-Blasphemy Law and Order!  It's time is nigh. It will be a 
> dawn of a New FFL Life, an age of Enlightenment on FFL.  In that new day on 
> FFL all will be meditators and the wolf and the lamb will live together; the 
> leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be 
> safe with the lion, and a little child [Buck] will lead them all.

Actually, the wolf will leave and the lamb will die of boredom.
 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is what we can expect X 10, perhaps even more now with the 
> > > > "generous" gift from Rick to Alex.
> > > > 
> > > > If Alex doesn't like it, why not let Buck do the moderating ? :-)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Well, in terms of people still here who posted early on, Dick Mays has 
> > > top seniority at post #5, followed closely by Buck at #6. Buck's been 
> > > chomping at the bit to whip this place into accord with Natural Law, so 
> > > why not put him in charge of the whole thing? To put it another way, what 
> > > would Maharishi do? Maharishi would chose Buck.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[John]

Share,

I'd say that lady astrologer is one mighty smart person!  :)
She essentially stated some of the things I mentioned here on the forum.

JR




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> John, a friend sent me this info on the new prince's chart. Thought you might 
> enjoy.
> http://www.jyotishstar.com/hrh-prince-george-august-2013.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:26 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism 
> > > devoid of true consciousness. It is the inertia of our 
> > > conditioning that we fail to truly question."
> > > 
> > > David Frawley
> > 
> > While true on one level, this is a declaration made
> > on the basis of a value judgment. An assumption that
> > Frawley not only makes but fails to challenge is 
> > "thought is NOT 'true consciousness.'" 
> > 
> > Step back from that assumption, and deal with the
> > possibility that thought is NOT the antithesis of
> > 'true consciousness,' but merely another aspect of
> > it, and it's a whole other story. 
> > 
> > Can you deal with that, John? Can you honestly state
> > that your moments of no-thought in "transcendence"
> > have NO "higher" or "better" significance than your 
> > moments of thought? 
> > 
> > If you cannot, then your life is ruled by dogma. 
> > 
> > The "wish to believe," not the "will to find out."
> > 
> > Just sayin'...
> >
> Barry,
> 
> It appears to me that one has to define what is "true consciousness".  
> After it's defined, then it would not seem reasonable to say both true and 
> not true consciousness are true at the same time.  Isn't that correct?
> 
> 
>   
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[sparaig]

That might be, but the criteria for having some degree CC isn't perfect 
silence, but just never losing PC while engaged in activity.

L.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Lawson,
> 
> It all depends on what is your definition of cosmic consciousness.  But 
> having a noisy mind appears to be an indication of an inertia due to having a 
> conditioned mind.  What do you think?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > Well, "putting" one's mind into silence sounds a bit contrived, to me.
> > 
> > Someone in CC doesn't necessarily have a quiet mind. In fact, someone in CC 
> > might have a very noisy mind -- conceivably even noisier than before they 
> > "attained" CC -- though the trend should be towards more silence over time, 
> > or such is my understanding.
> > 
> > L
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> > > comment.
> > > 
> > > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to 
> > > share this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this 
> > > technology of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to 
> > > put this together. 
> > > 
> > > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It 
> > > is a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > > 
> > > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> > > recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, 
> > > his projecting isn't helping.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of 
> > > > true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail 
> > > > to truly question."
> > > > 
> > > > David Frawley
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[Share Long]

John, a friend sent me this info on the new prince's chart. Thought you might 
enjoy.
http://www.jyotishstar.com/hrh-prince-george-august-2013.html





From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:26 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism 
> > devoid of true consciousness. It is the inertia of our 
> > conditioning that we fail to truly question."
> > 
> > David Frawley
> 
> While true on one level, this is a declaration made
> on the basis of a value judgment. An assumption that
> Frawley not only makes but fails to challenge is 
> "thought is NOT 'true consciousness.'" 
> 
> Step back from that assumption, and deal with the
> possibility that thought is NOT the antithesis of
> 'true consciousness,' but merely another aspect of
> it, and it's a whole other story. 
> 
> Can you deal with that, John? Can you honestly state
> that your moments of no-thought in "transcendence"
> have NO "higher" or "better" significance than your 
> moments of thought? 
> 
> If you cannot, then your life is ruled by dogma. 
> 
> The "wish to believe," not the "will to find out."
> 
> Just sayin'...
>
Barry,

It appears to me that one has to define what is "true consciousness".  After 
it's defined, then it would not seem reasonable to say both true and not true 
consciousness are true at the same time.  Isn't that correct?


   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Buck]

Were I king of FFL I'd make some changes around here.  Like did you see MJ 
earlier today revealing some personal information about an anonymous FFL poster 
here.  Were I King, MJ would be out of here on his ear for serious felony 
against the guidelines.  That guy has fouled and had way more than three 
strikes here.  I'd clean up the roster real quick. -Buck  

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > I have some seniority too, since post #67, September 28, 2001,  is mine 
> > (under a different handle). I've been here ever since. 
> > 
> >
> 
> No it should go to a mediator meditator.  It is time for: 
> !Return of Anti-Blasphemy Law and Order!  It's time is nigh. It will be a 
> dawn of a New FFL Life, an age of Enlightenment on FFL.  In that new day on 
> FFL all will be meditators and the wolf and the lamb will live together; the 
> leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be 
> safe with the lion, and a little child [Buck] will lead them all.
> 
>   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > This is what we can expect X 10, perhaps even more now with the 
> > > > "generous" gift from Rick to Alex.
> > > > 
> > > > If Alex doesn't like it, why not let Buck do the moderating ? :-)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Well, in terms of people still here who posted early on, Dick Mays has 
> > > top seniority at post #5, followed closely by Buck at #6. Buck's been 
> > > chomping at the bit to whip this place into accord with Natural Law, so 
> > > why not put him in charge of the whole thing? To put it another way, what 
> > > would Maharishi do? Maharishi would chose Buck.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> I have some seniority too, since post #67, September 28, 2001,  is mine 
> (under a different handle). I've been here ever since. 
> 
>

No it should go to a mediator meditator.  It is time for: 
!Return of Anti-Blasphemy Law and Order!  It's time is nigh. It will be a dawn 
of a New FFL Life, an age of Enlightenment on FFL.  In that new day on FFL all 
will be meditators and the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard 
will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with 
the lion, and a little child [Buck] will lead them all.

  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > This is what we can expect X 10, perhaps even more now with the 
> > > "generous" gift from Rick to Alex.
> > > 
> > > If Alex doesn't like it, why not let Buck do the moderating ? :-)
> > >
> > 
> > Well, in terms of people still here who posted early on, Dick Mays has top 
> > seniority at post #5, followed closely by Buck at #6. Buck's been chomping 
> > at the bit to whip this place into accord with Natural Law, so why not put 
> > him in charge of the whole thing? To put it another way, what would 
> > Maharishi do? Maharishi would chose Buck.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[Richard J. Williams]

On 8/5/2013 3:31 PM, sparaig wrote:


Maharishi basically calls TM "plain old thinking" when explaining it 
in this video:



So, MMY said that 'TM' is meditation that is based on thinking?

"Anyone who can think can meditate." - MMY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ

Its one of my favorite talks by him, and its just a Q&A session with 
some people, who might not even be meditators, rather than some formal 
lecture time.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
, "Richard J. Williams" 


>
> Apparently you've bought into the story of 'TM' being
> somehow different than just plain old thinking. I'm
> sure this won't be lost on Barry. LoL!
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> I can't see any of your images Steve, and I really want to. Can
> anyone else see these??

Nope. But, don't look at me... I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it 
use a proper image hosting service.

*cough* imgur.com *cough*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[Michael Jackson]

nope




 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray
 


  
I can't see any of your images Steve, and I really want to. Can anyone else see 
these??

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
>  [2013-08-05_09-54-47_880.jpg]
> 
>   [2013-08-05_09-53-29_362.jpg]
> 
> 
> Couple things.  Turns out it wasn't the Lone Ranger, but Matt Dillon. 
> That was my sister in that picture.  I may be have been a little squirt
> next to her.
> My grandpa had a PR name (seen here) which was similar, but not the same
> as his actual last name.
> A couple other pictures coming shortly.
> 
> 
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: all in a day's work: police report from Fairfield today

[feste37]

She clearly has no idea of what she's just drawn. I found it hilarious. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> priceless!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
> >
> > Better get on down... to ABC!
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5aBryfanU4
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" feste37@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 8/3 Received Report from Josie Hanes Design for a penis painted on
> the window, 3rd time this has happened
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[Ann]

I can't see any of your images Steve, and I really want to. Can anyone else see 
these??

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
>  [2013-08-05_09-54-47_880.jpg]
> 
>   [2013-08-05_09-53-29_362.jpg]
> 
> 
> Couple things.  Turns out it wasn't the Lone Ranger, but Matt Dillon. 
> That was my sister in that picture.  I may be have been a little squirt
> next to her.
> My grandpa had a PR name (seen here) which was similar, but not the same
> as his actual last name.
> A couple other pictures coming shortly.
> 
> 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 08/05/2013 01:33 PM, Susan wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>  On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote:
> > I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who 
> > has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests.  He got 
> > convinced otherwise and has made this docu.  It features info and also 
> > interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves 
> > and changed their minds about nuclear energy.  Stuart Brand (Whole 
> > Earth catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six 
> > Degrees in 2007.  I have mentioned that book here several times - 
> > terrific and accessible read about climate change.  Lynas was anti 
> > nuclear for years - and now changed his mind.  A worthwhile movie to 
> > see - and while I am not at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a 
> > really good case for the positives.  It also seems that there is a type 
> > of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is recyclable by the 
> > nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also incredible.
> >
> >
>  I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a
>  terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy
>  is NOT a very good idea.  And when you let profit hungry big
>  corporations run the show the problem gets worse.
> 
>  Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a
>  human population.  This needs to be addressed humanly through one child
>  programs etc.  We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much
>  lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology
>  we have today.  The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that
>  laissez faire capitalism promotes.  That keeps excessive consumption
>  alive just so some bunch can keep making money.  How insane!
> 
> >>> And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child 
> >>> policy? This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution.  On a long 
> >>> drive recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very 
> >>> well written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on:  The 
> >>> plot is about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something 
> >>> drastic to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct 
> >>> due to damage to the planet.  Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce 
> >>> into the atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who 
> >>> breathe it infertile.
> >>> In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for 
> >>> some event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us 
> >>> from ourselves.
> >> OK, spoiler here
> >

> >> And I have other friends who have chosen not  to have children at all in
> >> spite of the fact that they are very bright people.  It's the religious
> >> fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because
> >> their emotions drive them more than reason.
> > And also the billions of people in other countries who have many children.
> 
> And they do that because they want at least one child to survive to take 
> care of them in old life.  Do some kind of program like Social Security 
> for the and the problem goes away.  Also more education for women in 
> developing countries is essential for keeping the birth rate down.
> 
> >
> > My soon to be married son is seriously considering not having children due 
> > to what he expects the future to be like. I would love grandchildren and we 
> > humans seem to be pack animals, but I can understand his concerns. This is 
> > not something we thought of back in the 70's and 80's.
> >> BTW, a few months back I found a copy of a Chinese newspaper delivered
> >> here and to all houses in the neighborhood.   The ad on the front page
> >> celebrated the single child policy.  Of course folks from China are
> >> coming over on tours to buy houses in the US.
> > More details on folks from China coming here to buy homes, please.  So they 
> > can have more children? Due to pollution in China?  It is not easy to 
> > become a citizen here for them, is it?
> 
> More money.  It's the rich Chinese buying houses and in some cases 
> businesses.  You can probably look up details via search.  One such article:
> http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/08/real_estate/chinese-homebuyers/index.html

The article mentions that 70% of the Chinese home purchases here are all in 
cash.  In a related topic, a friend of mine is up on the latest education info 
for high school prep schools and Ivy League colleges.  He says that the most 
selective prep schools and colleges have tons of Asian applicants, enough to 
fill the entire freshmen classes.  And  the students are all high scoring and 
extremel

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[feste37]

I have some seniority too, since post #67, September 28, 2001,  is mine (under 
a different handle). I've been here ever since. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> >
> > 
> > This is what we can expect X 10, perhaps even more now with the "generous" 
> > gift from Rick to Alex.
> > 
> > If Alex doesn't like it, why not let Buck do the moderating ? :-)
> >
> 
> Well, in terms of people still here who posted early on, Dick Mays has top 
> seniority at post #5, followed closely by Doug/Buck at #6. Buck's been 
> chomping at the bit to whip this place into accord with Natural Law, so why 
> not put him in charge of the whole thing? To put it another way, what would 
> Maharishi do? Maharishi would chose Buck.
>

[FairfieldLife] Sam Harris on Free Will and the abuses of religious ecstasy

[Yifu]

http://www.samharris.org

My comments on his 2 articles
Free Will - when he says there's no free will, an alternative would be that 
it's a "genuine" paradox.
...
On the abuses of religious ecstasy, he's objecting to the abusive practices 
that go along with fundamentalist belief systems, not the core of pure 
Spiritual ecstasy brought on by certain practices such as Sufi dancing and 
chanting.
...However, I object to what he believes is an extended conclusion to the abuse 
part.  He seems to be saying that it might be wise to separate out the belief 
systems from the experiential Spiritual ecstacy engendered by the practices, 
but independent of the many belief systems that he finds objectionable.
...
I maintain - that as a matter of experience and observation; even among those 
religions not declaring you as a mortal enemy, the often irrational belief 
systems act as carriers for the Shakti energy.  Then, no Shakti, no genuine 
Spiritual ecstasy.
...
The belief systems might be useless/dangerous baggage to some, but just try 
separating out and discarding those religious coverings from the core 
experiences of Spiritual ecstasy (Bliss).  Nobody has yet succeeded in 
accomplishing this feat thus far.
...
Example - the TM puja is steeped in religious beliefs, and it's here to stay as 
a vehicle for the transmission of Shakti.
I challenge Harris to come up with a Bliss-generator that is totally 
independent if the religious coverings that act as transmitting mechanisms for 
the Shakti.
.
Possible example : mindfulness and Dr. Bensson's relaxation response - clearly 
second rate in comparison to TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: all in a day's work: police report from Fairfield today

[seventhray27]

priceless!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote:
>
> Better get on down... to ABC!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5aBryfanU4
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" feste37@ wrote:
> >
> > 8/3 Received Report from Josie Hanes Design for a penis painted on
the window, 3rd time this has happened
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[Richard J. Williams]

Have you guys ever considered taking this over to Twitter? LoL!

On 8/5/2013 4:50 PM, seventhray27 wrote:


I mean Larry


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
>
> oh, that's me in front of Curly
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OMG - if you have a pic of yourself with the Three Stooges you are
> > my
> > > hero. Which set was it Moe, Larry and which other Stooge? Curly.
> > I'll
> > > take a picture of it and post it.
> >
> > [2013-08-05_09-52-12_135.jpg]
> > [2013-08-05_15-08-45_955.jpg]
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[Richard J. Williams]

> > there is no common sense in what you are saying.
> >
> > If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness
> > or certainly Unity Consciousness, how could there
> > possibly be a need to meditate?
> >
> > Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously
> > aware of BEING Pure Awareness.
> >
> > What possible use could meditation be once you have
> > awakened permanently to the experience of being
> > everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded
> > Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
> >
turquoise:
> A good question. And I await with 'bated breath
> the parroted answers that responders were taught
> on TTC.  :-)
>
Meditation Tips by Zen Master Rama:

"As your meditation progresses even further, you
will notice the phenomena of meditation. You may
see dazzling lights, feel energy coursing through
different parts of your body, feel as if you are
floating, hear sounds, or smell fragrances."
- Zen Master Rama

  

> After all, if one buys into the TM dogma, what
> *use* is meditation after one is "living its goal?"
>
> Then again, if one buys into that dogma, one could
> come to believe the same thing about feedback from
> the real world.
>
Yeah, but you're the guy that put up the posters
promising enlightenment in 5-7 years, and 'instant
enlightenment'.

NOW you're telling us about 'feedback'? Go figure.

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[Buck]

>
> Yup, People like Feste are the crux of a problemm with the meditating 
> community for the TM movement here.  The antagonized meditator.  The 
> antagonized by all the TM controversies.  The problem of how to facilitate 
> them and convert them back to being friendly to the cause, from negative to 
> positive meditator.  From non- to practicing again.  And, even willing to 
> come to a group meditation for the good it will do.  It's a problem.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Whoah!!! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor is it 
> > throwing it away.   
> > 
> > 
> > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them are 
> > tragic. 
> > 
> >

No that is anti-science ignorance.  People should read the science.  It is 
wrong thinking to stop meditating.  Even anti-social and should be corrected.  
To have learned to mediate and not take the time to practice it is a life 
tragedy however.  Like that old ad campaign, a mind is a terrible thing to 
waste; a meditation is a terrible thing to waste in non-meditation.
-Buck
 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to still be 
> > > a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM?
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Dear MJ;
> > Well, we are identified by the things we do.  Yur a meditator or yur not in 
> > this case.  Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not.  Likewise a Governor.  In 
> > our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter.  Of course people will 
> > split hairs many more ways.  It sounds like Feste is a non-meditator 
> > quitter as in once learned meditation and just does not do it.  Like if I 
> > remember right you are a meditator, as in learned to meditate and you 
> > meditate now.  It is the only reason I bother to read yur posts here.  What 
> > could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?  That 
> > someone could learn meditation and throw it away is tragedy beyond reason.  
> > I'm a practical guy, no philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the 
> > time too, a sidha too.
> > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
> > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati, 
> > -Buck 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they 
> > > > have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a 
> > > > start, although I have done in the past. 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Dear Feste, you don't meditate?  Om Jeez.  Yur a non-meditator?  I am 
> > > going to have to re-set my FFL spam filter again.  This is really 
> > > disaffecting to find this out now.  I thought you were one of us all 
> > > along.   Wait, you mean you're not a meditator but you're a sidha?  Like, 
> > > not just a meditator but a citizen or governor?  But most of the 
> > > meditating town are meditators (common denominator) and don't do the 
> > > sidhis anymore (a factor).  Like, people here be Meditators but not 
> > > coming to the Dome program the movement offers.  There's only about 
> > > 300-plus coming to the Dome TM-sidhis program now with the failure and 
> > > collapse of the Invincible America Meditation.   So really you're a 
> > > meditator too.  Aren't you?  What do you mean?  Just wondering, 
> > > -Buck, the Conservative and Group Meditator Still in the Dome
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Michael Jackson]

Marshy would choose Bevan and all mention of anything other than TM would 
verbotten!





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:51 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
>
> 
> This is what we can expect X 10, perhaps even more now with the "generous" 
> gift from Rick to Alex.
> 
> If Alex doesn't like it, why not let Buck do the moderating ? :-)
>

Well, in terms of people still here who posted early on, Dick Mays has top 
seniority at post #5, followed closely by Doug/Buck at #6. Buck's been chomping 
at the bit to whip this place into accord with Natural Law, so why not put him 
in charge of the whole thing? To put it another way, what would Maharishi do? 
Maharishi would chose Buck.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[Mike Dixon]

The CC experience would include thoughts and silence together. Thoughts with a 
contrasting silence. Witnessing the thinking process. The witness is the 
silence (Self).

 


 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion
  
 
   
 
Lawson,

It all depends on what is your definition of cosmic consciousness.  But having 
a noisy mind appears to be an indication of an inertia due to having a 
conditioned mind.  What do you think?

--- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Well, "putting" one's mind into silence sounds a bit contrived, to me.
> 
> Someone in CC doesn't necessarily have a quiet mind. In fact, someone in CC 
> might have a very noisy mind -- conceivably even noisier than before they 
> "attained" CC -- though the trend should be towards more silence over time, 
> or such is my understanding.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  
> wrote:
> >
> > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> > comment.
> > 
> > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share 
> > this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology 
> > of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this 
> > together. 
> > 
> > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is 
> > a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > 
> > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> > recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, 
> > his projecting isn't helping.
> > 
> > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of 
> > > true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail 
> > > to truly question."
> > > 
> > > David Frawley
> > >
> >
>

   
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
>
> 
> This is what we can expect X 10, perhaps even more now with the "generous" 
> gift from Rick to Alex.
> 
> If Alex doesn't like it, why not let Buck do the moderating ? :-)
>

Well, in terms of people still here who posted early on, Dick Mays has top 
seniority at post #5, followed closely by Doug/Buck at #6. Buck's been chomping 
at the bit to whip this place into accord with Natural Law, so why not put him 
in charge of the whole thing? To put it another way, what would Maharishi do? 
Maharishi would chose Buck.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow - I never actually considered that, but it is a cool thing to think 
> > > about. I meant that it is through thought, and thinking, that the ability 
> > > to communicate becomes possible, through the development and refinement 
> > > of communications technology.
> > 
> > Dr. D,
> > 
> > Granted, what you say is true.  But the development and refinement of 
> > communications technology does not necessarily lead to an unconditioned 
> > mind or thought.  It can only contribute to the inertia of our conditioning.
> >
> 
> Yes, hence the instigation of the 50-post limit on FFL.
> -Buck

There you go, Buck.



>   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dr. D,
> > > > 
> > > > You appear to be saying that the technology of communication is a 
> > > > necessity to have a true culture.  Is that correct?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in 
> > > > > his comment.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to 
> > > > > share this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed 
> > > > > this technology of communication, needed to think deeply, and 
> > > > > continuously, to put this together. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > > > > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. 
> > > > > It is a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and 
> > > > > simply recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In 
> > > > > the meantime, his projecting isn't helping.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid 
> > > > > > of true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that 
> > > > > > we fail to truly question."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > David Frawley
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > > > 
> > > > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > > > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > > > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > > > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > > > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> > > 
> > > Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> > > "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> > > Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
> >  
> >  This is stupid. I am not with stupid. ^
> > Turq. You live in a tunnel. Tunnel vision you have.
> > Tunnel wind you produce. 
> 
> Are YOU going to REALLY try to make a case for
> living one's life worrying about what other people
> think of you?
> 
> If so, I pity you. 
> 
> My life is a *testament* to Doing What The Fuck I
> Want, And Getting Away With It. 

Your life is definitely a testament to WHO YOU ARE and WHAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO 
DO IN THAT LIFE. What does "getting away with it" mean exactly? That you are 
still alive? That you have a temporary job? That you can still see and hear? In 
what way did you "get away" with doing whatever the fuck you wanted to do? You, 
like every single other person on this planet have gotten away with nothing. 
Every aspect of every detail of your life is the result of everything you have 
done and chosen not to do. You are a  'final product', right now, of all of 
these choices. You have escaped nothing. You are the combined effects of 
everything you have said and done and felt for all of the collective moments of 
your life. How is that "getting away" with anything?
> 
> I have been living this lifestyle since I was 20.
> Even in my TM days I did pretty much what I wanted
> to. I had girlfriends, openly, when other guys 
> around me were bowing down to the Wet Diapers Of 
> Hindu-inspired Celibacy. I said what I wanted to 
> in TM "advanced lectures," and Got Away With It. 
> I criticized Maharishi's insane policies openly
> in meetings with TM leaders, and Got Away With It.
> I possibly got laid more on TM courses than many 
> people here have gotten laid in their lives. 
> 
> Since then, not much has changed with my basic 
> lifestyle. And I see no reason either why it should, 
> or that I should become in the least bit paranoid 
> about voyeurs getting their jollies by looking in 
> on it, and projecting their fantasies onto it. 
> 
> I've survived Paris concierges, who open your mail,
> and snoop at your doorstep. I think I can handle
> a few NSA snoops or corporate snoops watching my
> online life and whacking off to it.  :-) :-) :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Wow - I never actually considered that, but it is a cool thing to think 
> > about. I meant that it is through thought, and thinking, that the ability 
> > to communicate becomes possible, through the development and refinement of 
> > communications technology.
> 
> Dr. D,
> 
> Granted, what you say is true.  But the development and refinement of 
> communications technology does not necessarily lead to an unconditioned mind 
> or thought.  It can only contribute to the inertia of our conditioning.
>

Yes, hence the instigation of the 50-post limit on FFL.
-Buck
  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dr. D,
> > > 
> > > You appear to be saying that the technology of communication is a 
> > > necessity to have a true culture.  Is that correct?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in 
> > > > his comment.
> > > > 
> > > > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to 
> > > > share this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this 
> > > > technology of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, 
> > > > to put this together. 
> > > > 
> > > > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > > > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It 
> > > > is a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > > > 
> > > > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and 
> > > > simply recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the 
> > > > meantime, his projecting isn't helping.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid 
> > > > > of true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we 
> > > > > fail to truly question."
> > > > > 
> > > > > David Frawley
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > 
> > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> 
> Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
> 
> I mean, I *pity* the poor spook or corporate hacker
> who gets assigned to monitoring *my* life, online
> or real. Poor fuck is going to die of boredom. :-)

I have made this point before and now you finally admit it; your posts are 
boring. Thank you.
> 
> After all, it's mainly internal -- both at work and
> at play in my cafes. At work, I get input for the 
> docs I have to write mainly over the Net. I then
> synthesize them and translate them from nerd-speak
> into people-speak and write them down. At play, I 
> sometimes do the same thing with trends here at FFL.
> 
> Either way, Big Fuckin' Whoop. If anyone has problems
> with my lifestyle, I sincerely hope that the world
> has not grown So Fucked Up that anyone would have 
> the power to do anything about it. I am essentially 
> a boring, introverted writer.

Jeezus, you admitted it again - the boring part I mean.

> At work, I get paid to 
> channel that talent into usable information for an 
> International Corporate Giant, one that pays me 
> handsomely. At play, I don't get paid at all. At
> least not here on FFL. 
> 
> Quite honestly, I don't see me and my chosen lifestyle
> popping to the top of any Anti-Terrorism Watchlist. 
> Not even any Anti-God or Anti-All-Things-Good Watchlist.
> 
> Except here. 
> 
> FFL seems to be the only place where people think of
> me that way. That's probably the thing that keeps
> me around...the humor of it all.  :-)  :-)  :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emilymae.reyn"  wrote:
>
> Have a good one Alex!  "For all the advances in medicine, there is still no 
> cure for the common birthday."   John Glenn

Except death, of course.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
> > > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
> > > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
> > > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
> > > > we'll reinstate it.
> > > 
> > > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> > >
> > 
> > The Golden Self-Referral Computer Script Technology of the Unified Field 
> > will remain in place for our blissful enhancement of self-awareness and 
> > growth toward evolution in tune with all the Laws of Nature.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[Michael Jackson]

Rats! They don't show up as attachments.





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray
 


  






Couple things.  Turns out it wasn't the Lone Ranger, but Matt Dillon.  That was 
my sister in that picture.  I may be have been a little squirt next to her.

My grandpa had a PR name (seen here) which was similar, but not the same as his 
actual last name.

A couple other pictures coming shortly.



>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> Wow - I never actually considered that, but it is a cool thing to think 
> about. I meant that it is through thought, and thinking, that the ability to 
> communicate becomes possible, through the development and refinement of 
> communications technology.

Dr. D,

Granted, what you say is true.  But the development and refinement of 
communications technology does not necessarily lead to an unconditioned mind or 
thought.  It can only contribute to the inertia of our conditioning.








> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Dr. D,
> > 
> > You appear to be saying that the technology of communication is a necessity 
> > to have a true culture.  Is that correct?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> > > comment.
> > > 
> > > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to 
> > > share this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this 
> > > technology of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to 
> > > put this together. 
> > > 
> > > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It 
> > > is a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > > 
> > > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> > > recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, 
> > > his projecting isn't helping.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of 
> > > > true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail 
> > > > to truly question."
> > > > 
> > > > David Frawley
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[doctordumbass]

Yummy! I haven't eaten lunch yet --

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid.
> 
> TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating 
> TM with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated 
> with pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait 
> becomes stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet 
> watchfulness as a background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger 
> still, this background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of 
> consciousness. 
> 
> Because we naturally call our "self" that which is most constant in our 
> internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet 
> background 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, 
> quiet, non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their "real" self. Once 
> this occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the 
> beginning stages of CC.
> 
> HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a 
> background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, 
> CC-wise:
> 
> you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for 
> example. Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system 
> that manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure 
> consciousness your entire meditation time.
> 
> Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that 
> doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people 
> continue to meditate.
> 
> 
> Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC 
> before you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, 
> how stable is stable? 

**Yes, I had very strong and clear GC experiences; 'the finest relative', 
before any sense of CC, or reliable witnessing. CC stuff came much later. GC 
symptoms were a springboard, a leap of faith, to "achieve", to condition the 
mind, for CC.

>One could note PC at all times in activity and identify it as one's true self 
>and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of the perceptual world 
>even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never be sure that CC is 
>fully mature, how could it be otherwise?).

**Yep. Even after CC is established, it continues to ripen, as the fruit of 
consciousness. A ripe, sweet delicious mango. A whole tree.

> 
> Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state 
> of GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, 
> growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway.

**Yep! Life continues and expands, forever. After awhile, these domains, SOCs, 
blend together, anyway, and are transcended.

> 
> This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he "had it all" 
> because he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, 
> he stopped doing TM.

**Heard an expression a long time ago about dropping acid that serves as a 
pretty good guide, "Don't peak too soon". Works for seekers, and child actors, 
too. 

> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
> > 
> > If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
> > Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
> > 
> > Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
> > Awareness. 
> > 
> > What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
> > the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
> > Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > > 
> > > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > > right of it?
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
> > amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
> > even while I heard him say the things originally.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > Whoah!!!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > > > > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > > > > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > > > > > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > > > > > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > > > > > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > > > > > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> > > > > "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> > > > > Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
> > > >  
> > > >  This is stupid. I am not with stupid. ^
> > > > Turq. You live in a tunnel. Tunnel vision you have.
> > > > Tunnel wind you produce. 
> > > 
> > > Are YOU going to REALLY try to make a case for
> > > living one's life worrying about what other people
> > > think of you?
> > > 
> > > If so, I pity you. 
> > > 
> > > My life is a *testament* to Doing What The Fuck I
> > > Want, And Getting Away With It. 
> > > 
> > > I have been living this lifestyle since I was 20.
> > > Even in my TM days I did pretty much what I wanted
> > > to. I had girlfriends, openly, when other guys 
> > > around me were bowing down to the Wet Diapers Of 
> > > Hindu-inspired Celibacy. I said what I wanted to 
> > > in TM "advanced lectures," and Got Away With It. 
> > > I criticized Maharishi's insane policies openly
> > > in meetings with TM leaders, and Got Away With It.
> > > I possibly got laid more on TM courses than many 
> > > people here have gotten laid in their lives. 
> > > 
> > > Since then, not much has changed with my basic 
> > > lifestyle. And I see no reason either why it should, 
> > > or that I should become in the least bit paranoid 
> > > about voyeurs getting their jollies by looking in 
> > > on it, and projecting their fantasies onto it. 
> > > 
> > > I've survived Paris concierges, who open your mail,
> > > and snoop at your doorstep. I think I can handle
> > > a few NSA snoops or corporate snoops watching my
> > > online life and whacking off to it.  :-) :-) :-)
> > 
> > Not talking about sex or my big boobs, or your naked body 
> > over the webcam, Turq.  :)  Thanks for taking my nudge at 
> > you as not an attack and giving me a good lecture of how 
> > you live your life. I am free spirited too, believe me.
> > but
> > Have you ever marketed a product? Grass root marketed any 
> > products or services?
> > Have you ever had larger companies digging at your skin 
> > trying to get the "secrets," of something you worked on 
> > or represent in confidence?
> > Do you think the people who work collecting all that data 
> > are all happy go lucky and living a pure life and are debt 
> > free and without desires and needs beyond what they can afford? 
> > If you have, you would be concerned about what and who is 
> > viewing and sharing your information. 
> > Some of us run naked in the sand some of the time. When it 
> > comes to business secrets, techniques, etc., that is what 
> > is at stake.
> 
> So you ARE trying to make a case for me being worried
> about what people I've never met think of me, or who
> want to steal "my" ideas? I'll leave that level of 
> "MY MY MY MY MY MINE MINE MINE MINE" paranoia 
> to you guys, if you don't mind. :-)
> 
> > Now how about that picture you promised me? ;)
> 
> Dream on. The photo of me in a Speedo has been (and
> rightfully, I might add) confiscated by the French
> Propriety Police.  :-)
>

You are a case, Turq. 
>From what you have typed above, it is clear you have not ever created 
>anything?  Or you have only been a work drone for large corporations?
It is not about, "mine." It is about being able to create a livelihood without 
having to stand in line waiting for the next applicant to make his/her case for 
the job you and the other 1000 are applying for. It is about new products. Oh 
wait, maybe you think one should carry an "idea," they have to the Queen's feet 
and ask, "Your highness, all glory to the world, I stand before you, with this 
machine and I know it is in a cardboard box form, but imagine it being a 
titanium encased whatyacallit and it can do marvelous wonders for the world. I 
give it to you. May I please have your blessings to collect my food stamps on 
your plastic Morgan Chase food 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[seventhray27]

I mean Larry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> oh, that's me in front of Curly
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OMG - if you have a pic of yourself with the Three Stooges you
are
> > my
> > > hero. Which set was it Moe, Larry and which other Stooge?  Curly.
> > I'll
> > > take a picture of it and post it.
> >
> >   [2013-08-05_09-52-12_135.jpg]
> >   [2013-08-05_15-08-45_955.jpg]
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[seventhray27]

oh, that's me in front of Curly
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > OMG - if you have a pic of yourself with the Three Stooges you are
> my
> > hero. Which set was it Moe, Larry and which other Stooge?  Curly.
> I'll
> > take a picture of it and post it.
>
>   [2013-08-05_09-52-12_135.jpg]
>   [2013-08-05_15-08-45_955.jpg]
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OMG - if you have a pic of yourself with the Three Stooges you are
my
> hero. Which set was it Moe, Larry and which other Stooge?  Curly. 
I'll
> take a picture of it and post it.

  [2013-08-05_09-52-12_135.jpg]
  [2013-08-05_15-08-45_955.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OMG - if you have a pic of yourself with the Three Stooges you are
my
> hero. Which set was it Moe, Larry and which other Stooge?  Curly. 
I'll
> take a picture of it and post it.

  [2013-08-05_09-52-12_135.jpg]
  [Steve Fixed Pic.jpg]

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[John]

Lawson,

It all depends on what is your definition of cosmic consciousness.  But having 
a noisy mind appears to be an indication of an inertia due to having a 
conditioned mind.  What do you think?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Well, "putting" one's mind into silence sounds a bit contrived, to me.
> 
> Someone in CC doesn't necessarily have a quiet mind. In fact, someone in CC 
> might have a very noisy mind -- conceivably even noisier than before they 
> "attained" CC -- though the trend should be towards more silence over time, 
> or such is my understanding.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> > comment.
> > 
> > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share 
> > this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology 
> > of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this 
> > together. 
> > 
> > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is 
> > a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > 
> > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> > recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, 
> > his projecting isn't helping.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of 
> > > true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail 
> > > to truly question."
> > > 
> > > David Frawley
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[Bhairitu]

On 08/05/2013 01:33 PM, Susan wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
 On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote:
> I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who 
> has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests.  He got 
> convinced otherwise and has made this docu.  It features info and also 
> interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves 
> and changed their minds about nuclear energy.  Stuart Brand (Whole Earth 
> catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 
> 2007.  I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and 
> accessible read about climate change.  Lynas was anti nuclear for years - 
> and now changed his mind.  A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not 
> at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the 
> positives.  It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) 
> that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The 
> safeguards on these are also incredible.
>
>
 I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a
 terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy
 is NOT a very good idea.  And when you let profit hungry big
 corporations run the show the problem gets worse.

 Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a
 human population.  This needs to be addressed humanly through one child
 programs etc.  We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much
 lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology
 we have today.  The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that
 laissez faire capitalism promotes.  That keeps excessive consumption
 alive just so some bunch can keep making money.  How insane!

>>> And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? 
>>> This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution.  On a long drive 
>>> recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well 
>>> written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on:  The plot is 
>>> about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic 
>>> to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to 
>>> damage to the planet.  Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the 
>>> atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it 
>>> infertile.
>>> In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some 
>>> event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from 
>>> ourselves.
>> OK, spoiler here
>>
>> but the UK Channel 4 TV series we chatted about here, "Utopia" was about
>> that.  I even told some folks I was playing the first episode for to pay
>> attention to the opening newscast, it lays out the whole thing.  Most
>> people wouldn't pay that strict attention as they think that the
>> newscast is just background sound.  BTW, HBO bought the rights to that
>> series and is producing a US version which may well be watered down and
>> probably not it the nice "scope" aspect ratio that the UK versions was
>> shown.
> I missed this show and the discussion here.  Will check it out.

Good luck on that.  I would have thought that it would be available on 
Netflix WI by now but with HBO getting the rights all bets are off.

>> I've wondered if a virus were produced to stop pregnancy and then 5
>> years later an antidote found if people would still want to have
>> children?  Let's face it, having children is more of a romantic or
>> emotional thing except of course for "mistakes."   A friend and his wife
>> just had their first child and probably only child.  He is in his 40s
>> and was an only child.  I did the horoscope which showed nothing but
>> weak planets (oh well, my horoscope is like that too). But I kept
>> thinking, "poor kid, I sure wouldn't want to be born into this world the
>> state it is in."
>>
>> And I have other friends who have chosen not  to have children at all in
>> spite of the fact that they are very bright people.  It's the religious
>> fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because
>> their emotions drive them more than reason.
> And also the billions of people in other countries who have many children.

And they do that because they want at least one child to survive to take 
care of them in old life.  Do some kind of program like Social Security 
for the and the problem goes away.  Also more education for women in 
developing countries is essential for keeping the birth rate down.

>
> My soon to be married son is seriously considering not having children due to 
> what he expects the future to be like. I would love grandchildren and we 
> humans seem to be pack animals, but I can understand his concerns. This is 
> not someth

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism 
> > devoid of true consciousness. It is the inertia of our 
> > conditioning that we fail to truly question."
> > 
> > David Frawley
> 
> While true on one level, this is a declaration made
> on the basis of a value judgment. An assumption that
> Frawley not only makes but fails to challenge is 
> "thought is NOT 'true consciousness.'" 
> 
> Step back from that assumption, and deal with the
> possibility that thought is NOT the antithesis of
> 'true consciousness,' but merely another aspect of
> it, and it's a whole other story. 
> 
> Can you deal with that, John? Can you honestly state
> that your moments of no-thought in "transcendence"
> have NO "higher" or "better" significance than your 
> moments of thought? 
> 
> If you cannot, then your life is ruled by dogma. 
> 
> The "wish to believe," not the "will to find out."
> 
> Just sayin'...
>
Barry,

It appears to me that one has to define what is "true consciousness".  After 
it's defined, then it would not seem reasonable to say both true and not true 
consciousness are true at the same time.  Isn't that correct?

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[seventhray27]

 [2013-08-05_09-54-47_880.jpg]

  [2013-08-05_09-53-29_362.jpg]


Couple things.  Turns out it wasn't the Lone Ranger, but Matt Dillon. 
That was my sister in that picture.  I may be have been a little squirt
next to her.
My grandpa had a PR name (seen here) which was similar, but not the same
as his actual last name.
A couple other pictures coming shortly.


>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[Susan]

I forgot to mention that thorium was mentioned, briefly, in Pandora's Promise.  
The docu needs a followup with pros and cons of various approaches and what we 
can realistically do going forward and how much various technologies could 
contribute to energy needs..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Thorium - interesting - will follow this.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone mentioned this?:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Susan
> > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power
> > > documentary
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >  , "salyavin808"
> > > mailto:fintlewoodlewix@> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >  , "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who
> > > has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got
> > > convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also
> > > interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and
> > > changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth
> > > catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in
> > > 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and
> > > accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - 
> > > and
> > > now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at 
> > > all
> > > an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. 
> > > It
> > > also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste
> > > that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these 
> > > are
> > > also incredible.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they
> > > > come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming
> > > > power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and
> > > > that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option.
> > > 
> > > The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear
> > > environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe
> > > that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western
> > > populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right
> > > thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the 
> > > developing
> > > nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not "fair"
> > > and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full 
> > > steam
> > > ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel 
> > > that
> > > given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just 
> > > count
> > > on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those
> > > systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out
> > > of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for 
> > > now.
> > > > 
> > > > The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough
> > > > uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we
> > > > switch wholesale and build more reactors. 
> > > > 
> > > > Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have
> > > > flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them
> > > > ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so
> > > > simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and
> > > > It's just bound to happen sooner or later.
> > > > 
> > > > But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder
> > > > reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very
> > > well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it
> > > > becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we
> > > > have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. 
> > > 
> > > I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been 
> > > around
> > > since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to
> > > go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power 
> > > plants
> > > (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste 
> > > is
> > > mostly recyclable and the plants are very ve

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[doctordumbass]

Wow - I never actually considered that, but it is a cool thing to think about. 
I meant that it is through thought, and thinking, that the ability to 
communicate becomes possible, through the development and refinement of 
communications technology. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Dr. D,
> 
> You appear to be saying that the technology of communication is a necessity 
> to have a true culture.  Is that correct?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> > comment.
> > 
> > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share 
> > this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology 
> > of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this 
> > together. 
> > 
> > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is 
> > a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > 
> > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> > recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, 
> > his projecting isn't helping.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of 
> > > true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail 
> > > to truly question."
> > > 
> > > David Frawley
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[doctordumbass]

Agreed. The best approach is to fade the hell out of the cloth, each and every 
time. BBQ!!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> And of course, just because silence has been present 24/7 for a while, 
> doesn't mean it will persist for the rest of your life anyway.
> 
> The criterion for being included in Fred Travis' tests on CC was that CC was 
> ongoing and had been stable for at least a year. A month (or year) of CC 
> doesn't guarantee that one will always be in CC, and being in CC doesn't mean 
> you can't still gain benefit from TM practice. 
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > What I think he meant is that once silence is permanently established, it 
> > will not fade away. But, even once silence is established, there is still 
> > so much growth to take place. That never stops, and TM is a pretty 
> > effective way, imo, to keep the ball rolling.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > > 
> > > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > > right of it?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > Whoah!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile 
> > > > > perspective?"
> > > > >
> > > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
> > > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> > > > >
> > > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do 
> > > > > TM. 
> > > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
> > > > > sidha or governor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
> > > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
> > > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
> > > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even 
> > > said that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more 
> > > time with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses.  
> > > The Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read 
> > > during the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the 
> > > non-meditators here and reading the Guru Dev discourses instead.  That is 
> > > lifetime very well spent. -Buck
> > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them 
> > > > > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no 
> > > > > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did 
> > > > > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for 
> > > > > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without 
> > > > > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > *From:* Buck 
> > > > > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > , Michael Jackson 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to 
> > > > > still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do 
> > > > > TM?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear MJ;
> > > > > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur 
> > > > > not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a 
> > > > > Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of 
> > > > > course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does 
> > > > > not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in 
> > > > > learned 
> > > > > to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to 
> > > > > read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has 
> > > > > worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw 
> > > > > it away is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[John]

Dr. D,

You appear to be saying that the technology of communication is a necessity to 
have a true culture.  Is that correct?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> comment.
> 
> Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share 
> this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology 
> of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this 
> together. 
> 
> If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is a 
> common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> 
> Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, his 
> projecting isn't helping.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of true 
> > consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail to truly 
> > question."
> > 
> > David Frawley
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, that was poorly described. What I mean is that hopefully the momentary 
realization, etc. will allow him over time to recognize the Divine utility of 
thought, however he gets there.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Well, "putting" one's mind into silence sounds a bit contrived, to me.
> 
> Someone in CC doesn't necessarily have a quiet mind. In fact, someone in CC 
> might have a very noisy mind -- conceivably even noisier than before they 
> "attained" CC -- though the trend should be towards more silence over time, 
> or such is my understanding.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> > comment.
> > 
> > Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share 
> > this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology 
> > of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this 
> > together. 
> > 
> > If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> > thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is 
> > a common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> > 
> > Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> > recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, 
> > his projecting isn't helping.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of 
> > > true consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail 
> > > to truly question."
> > > 
> > > David Frawley
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Leisure is the key

[nablusoss1008]

Leisure is the key
by the Master –, through Benjamin Creme


Among the many problems with which humanity is faced none looms larger
in men's minds than that of unemployment. In the developing world,
millions have never known regular work while even the industrialized
nations see, each year, the workless total inexorably mount. "Man
must work or starve," says the age-old adage. Yet need this
necessarily be so?
Without doubt, the main reason for increasing unemployment is the
discovery and application of the new technology. More and more, the
robot is replacing man in the more complex manufacturing processes. No
man can compare, in speed of operation and repetitive accuracy, with the
sophisticated machines now in use. This is as it should be. Many may
lament the loss of human skills earned through long apprenticeship and
training, but man is born for higher and more worthy efforts. Why should
men compete with mere machines?
Man is an evolving god and foolish would it be to place a limitation on
his creative possibilities. Naught there is which, with time, he may not
do. Why, then, lament the passing of a stage in man's long journey
to perfection which allows him at last the leisure to expand and grow?
Man stands now on the threshold of a new perception of himself, his
purpose and the world in which he lives. This new awareness will evoke
undreamt-of skills and talents which yet await expression, and allow men
to enter the abode of gods.
When man sees himself truly as he is naught will prevent the
manifestation of his divine powers. On all sides this glory will be
seen, lighting a path to the farthest stars. Until that blessed time man
must learn and train himself in leisure. Without leisure man has little
chance to grow. Leisure must be seen as the prerequisite for that
creative thought and action which will transform all life for men.
In an age of competition the old adage holds. Work alone confers the
right to eat. But man is ready to experience a new relationship; a new
and caring co-operation beckons him to be his brother's keeper and
to safeguard the right of all to the necessities of life.
More and more, machines will free men to be themselves. Leisure will
ensure that each man can reach his full potential, reflective of his
stage upon the journey to perfection, adding his gifts for the
enrichment of the Whole.
Thus will men see a flowering such as none today can imagine but which
one day will show men to each other as the gods they are.
Leisure is the key, and to ensure leisure men must share. Millions
starve and countless more grind out their lives in hopeless poverty
today. No longer must this sickness be accepted as the norm. No longer
can the tensions thus engendered be supported by mankind. Entering a New
Age where machines will cater for the needs of all, men must share as
brothers and walk together towards the dawn. (A Master Speaks)

http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-07.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > > > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > > > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > > > > 
> > > > > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > > > > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > > > > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > > > > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > > > > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> > > > 
> > > > Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> > > > "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> > > > Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
> > >  
> > >  This is stupid. I am not with stupid. ^
> > > Turq. You live in a tunnel. Tunnel vision you have.
> > > Tunnel wind you produce. 
> > 
> > Are YOU going to REALLY try to make a case for
> > living one's life worrying about what other people
> > think of you?
> > 
> > If so, I pity you. 
> > 
> > My life is a *testament* to Doing What The Fuck I
> > Want, And Getting Away With It. 
> > 
> > I have been living this lifestyle since I was 20.
> > Even in my TM days I did pretty much what I wanted
> > to. I had girlfriends, openly, when other guys 
> > around me were bowing down to the Wet Diapers Of 
> > Hindu-inspired Celibacy. I said what I wanted to 
> > in TM "advanced lectures," and Got Away With It. 
> > I criticized Maharishi's insane policies openly
> > in meetings with TM leaders, and Got Away With It.
> > I possibly got laid more on TM courses than many 
> > people here have gotten laid in their lives. 
> > 
> > Since then, not much has changed with my basic 
> > lifestyle. And I see no reason either why it should, 
> > or that I should become in the least bit paranoid 
> > about voyeurs getting their jollies by looking in 
> > on it, and projecting their fantasies onto it. 
> > 
> > I've survived Paris concierges, who open your mail,
> > and snoop at your doorstep. I think I can handle
> > a few NSA snoops or corporate snoops watching my
> > online life and whacking off to it.  :-) :-) :-)
> 
> Not talking about sex or my big boobs, or your naked body 
> over the webcam, Turq.  :)  Thanks for taking my nudge at 
> you as not an attack and giving me a good lecture of how 
> you live your life. I am free spirited too, believe me.
> but
> Have you ever marketed a product? Grass root marketed any 
> products or services?
> Have you ever had larger companies digging at your skin 
> trying to get the "secrets," of something you worked on 
> or represent in confidence?
> Do you think the people who work collecting all that data 
> are all happy go lucky and living a pure life and are debt 
> free and without desires and needs beyond what they can afford? 
> If you have, you would be concerned about what and who is 
> viewing and sharing your information. 
> Some of us run naked in the sand some of the time. When it 
> comes to business secrets, techniques, etc., that is what 
> is at stake.

So you ARE trying to make a case for me being worried
about what people I've never met think of me, or who
want to steal "my" ideas? I'll leave that level of 
"MY MY MY MY MY MINE MINE MINE MINE" paranoia 
to you guys, if you don't mind. :-)

> Now how about that picture you promised me? ;)

Dream on. The photo of me in a Speedo has been (and
rightfully, I might add) confiscated by the French
Propriety Police.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Maharishi basically calls TM "plain old thinking" when explaining it in this 
> video:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ
> 
> 
> Its one of my favorite talks by him, and its just a Q&A session with some 
> people, who might not even be meditators, rather than some formal lecture 
> time.

It's beautiful, thanks for posting !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to still be 
> > > a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM?
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Dear MJ;
> > Well, we are identified by the things we do.  Yur a meditator or yur not in 
> > this case.  Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not.  Likewise a Governor.  In 
> > our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter.  Of course people will 
> > split hairs many more ways.  It sounds like Feste is a non-meditator 
> > quitter as in once learned meditation and just does not do it.  Like if I 
> > remember right you are a meditator, as in learned to meditate and you 
> > meditate now.  It is the only reason I bother to read yur posts here.  What 
> > could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?  That 
> > someone could learn meditation and throw it away is tragedy beyond reason.  
> > I'm a practical guy, no philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the 
> > time too, a sidha too.
> > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
> > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,  
> > -Buck  
> 
> I personally don't think quitters and non meditators deserve to live. Not 
> only are they not worth reading or listening to but they must be stupid, 
> sub-human or at least very, very bad influences on the world. I say, "Lynch 
> them all" and the sooner the better.


Why are you dragging David into the conversation, and what do you mean by using 
his name as a verb?


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[sparaig]

Remember that eventually the nuclear powerplant itself becomes nuclear waste 
that needs to be disposed of. I find it highly unlikely that radioactive 
concrete and steel will ever be useful as nuclear fuel, so it can't be recycled.

And anything that is highly radioactive can be used as the shell for a dirty 
bomb, so that issue never goes away in any reasonable time-frame.

There are legitimate uses for nuclear power, but creating enough nuclear 
reactors to solve all our current and future power needs is impractical. 
There's going to be no single solution to the problem.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> Thorium - interesting - will follow this.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anyone mentioned this?:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Susan
> > > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power
> > > documentary
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >  , "salyavin808"
> > > mailto:fintlewoodlewix@> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > >  , "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who
> > > has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got
> > > convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also
> > > interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and
> > > changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth
> > > catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in
> > > 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and
> > > accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - 
> > > and
> > > now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at 
> > > all
> > > an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. 
> > > It
> > > also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste
> > > that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these 
> > > are
> > > also incredible.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they
> > > > come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming
> > > > power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and
> > > > that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option.
> > > 
> > > The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear
> > > environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe
> > > that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western
> > > populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right
> > > thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the 
> > > developing
> > > nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not "fair"
> > > and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full 
> > > steam
> > > ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel 
> > > that
> > > given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just 
> > > count
> > > on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those
> > > systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out
> > > of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for 
> > > now.
> > > > 
> > > > The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough
> > > > uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we
> > > > switch wholesale and build more reactors. 
> > > > 
> > > > Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have
> > > > flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them
> > > > ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so
> > > > simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and
> > > > It's just bound to happen sooner or later.
> > > > 
> > > > But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder
> > > > reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very
> > > well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it
> > > > becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we
> > > > have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. 
> > > 
> > > I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been 
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> Huh. Even going by the SCI tapes, which is the most "advanced" stuff I have 
> had access to, the idea that one never needs to meditate after one obtains CC 
> (or even GC or even UC) seems to be a misunderstanding of what MMY said.
> 
> The fact that you think otherwise suggests reasons why you don't think TM is 
> much to write home about.

Why not ask Dr.D that question -

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[sparaig]

Well, "putting" one's mind into silence sounds a bit contrived, to me.

Someone in CC doesn't necessarily have a quiet mind. In fact, someone in CC 
might have a very noisy mind -- conceivably even noisier than before they 
"attained" CC -- though the trend should be towards more silence over time, or 
such is my understanding.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
> comment.
> 
> Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share 
> this piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology 
> of communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this 
> together. 
> 
> If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his 
> thoughts are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is a 
> common, though by no means, universal malady. 
> 
> Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
> recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, his 
> projecting isn't helping.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of true 
> > consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail to truly 
> > question."
> > 
> > David Frawley
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[Susan]

Thorium - interesting - will follow this.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone mentioned this?:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Susan
> > Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power
> > documentary
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "salyavin808"
> > mailto:fintlewoodlewix@> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "Susan"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who
> > has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got
> > convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also
> > interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and
> > changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth
> > catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in
> > 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and
> > accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and
> > now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all
> > an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It
> > also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste
> > that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are
> > also incredible.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they
> > > come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming
> > > power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and
> > > that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option.
> > 
> > The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear
> > environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe
> > that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western
> > populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right
> > thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing
> > nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not "fair"
> > and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam
> > ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that
> > given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count
> > on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those
> > systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out
> > of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now.
> > > 
> > > The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough
> > > uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we
> > > switch wholesale and build more reactors. 
> > > 
> > > Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have
> > > flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them
> > > ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so
> > > simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and
> > > It's just bound to happen sooner or later.
> > > 
> > > But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder
> > > reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very
> > well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it
> > > becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we
> > > have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. 
> > 
> > I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around
> > since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to
> > go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants
> > (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is
> > mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current
> > style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not
> > addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and
> > answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came
> > up and congratulated him on a good job, mentioned that he himself had spent
> > 40 years in the nuclear power industry (I think an engineer), and that there
> > were risks not mentioned in the film. He felt that nuclear (the fast
> > breeder) was our only option at this time in history and given the pace of
> > glob

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[sparaig]

Dunno. It didn't help, I am reasonably certain.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this make open the proverbial can of worms but I have-ta ask anyway. 
> Is it your assertion that Robin C. got into the place he got into internally 
> and externally because he stopped doing TM? And only for that reason?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: sparaig 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:13 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
>  
> 
> 
>   
> You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid.
> 
> TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating 
> TM with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated 
> with pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait 
> becomes stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet 
> watchfulness as a background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger 
> still, this background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of 
> consciousness. 
> 
> Because we naturally call our "self" that which is most constant in our 
> internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet 
> background 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, 
> quiet, non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their "real" self. Once 
> this occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the 
> beginning stages of CC.
> 
> HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a 
> background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, 
> CC-wise:
> 
> you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for 
> example. Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system 
> that manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure 
> consciousness your entire meditation time.
> 
> Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that 
> doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people 
> continue to meditate.
> 
> Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC 
> before you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, 
> how stable is stable? One could note PC at all times in activity and identify 
> it as one's true self and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of 
> the perceptual world even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never 
> be sure that CC is fully mature, how could it be otherwise?).
> 
> Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state 
> of GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, 
> growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway.
> 
> This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he "had it all" 
> because he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, 
> he stopped doing TM.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
> > 
> > If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
> > Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
> > 
> > Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
> > Awareness. 
> > 
> > What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
> > the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
> > Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > > 
> > > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > > right of it?
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
> > amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
> > even while I heard him say the things originally.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: Buck 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > > Whoah!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile 
> > > > > perspective?"
> > > > >
> > > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > > > have nothing to offer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[Michael Jackson]

I know this make open the proverbial can of worms but I have-ta ask anyway. Is 
it your assertion that Robin C. got into the place he got into internally and 
externally because he stopped doing TM? And only for that reason?





 From: sparaig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
 


  
You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid.

TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating TM 
with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated with 
pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait becomes 
stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet watchfulness as a 
background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger still, this 
background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of consciousness. 

Because we naturally call our "self" that which is most constant in our 
internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet background 
24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, quiet, 
non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their "real" self. Once this 
occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the beginning 
stages of CC.

HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a 
background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, CC-wise:

you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for example. 
Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system that 
manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure 
consciousness your entire meditation time.

Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that 
doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people 
continue to meditate.

Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC before 
you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, how 
stable is stable? One could note PC at all times in activity and identify it as 
one's true self and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of the 
perceptual world even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never be sure 
that CC is fully mature, how could it be otherwise?).

Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state of 
GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, 
growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway.

This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he "had it all" because 
he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, he stopped 
doing TM.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
> 
> If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
> Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
> 
> Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
> Awareness. 
> 
> What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
> the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
> Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > 
> > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > right of it?
> > 
> >
> 
> Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
> amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
> even while I heard him say the things originally.
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > Whoah!!!
> > > >
> > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?"
> > > >
> > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
> > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
> > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
> > > > sidha or governor.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
> > > > is it th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > > > 
> > > > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > > > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > > > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > > > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > > > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> > > 
> > > Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> > > "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> > > Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
> >  
> >  This is stupid. I am not with stupid. ^
> > Turq. You live in a tunnel. Tunnel vision you have.
> > Tunnel wind you produce. 
> 
> Are YOU going to REALLY try to make a case for
> living one's life worrying about what other people
> think of you?
> 
> If so, I pity you. 
> 
> My life is a *testament* to Doing What The Fuck I
> Want, And Getting Away With It. 
> 
> I have been living this lifestyle since I was 20.
> Even in my TM days I did pretty much what I wanted
> to. I had girlfriends, openly, when other guys 
> around me were bowing down to the Wet Diapers Of 
> Hindu-inspired Celibacy. I said what I wanted to 
> in TM "advanced lectures," and Got Away With It. 
> I criticized Maharishi's insane policies openly
> in meetings with TM leaders, and Got Away With It.
> I possibly got laid more on TM courses than many 
> people here have gotten laid in their lives. 
> 
> Since then, not much has changed with my basic 
> lifestyle. And I see no reason either why it should, 
> or that I should become in the least bit paranoid 
> about voyeurs getting their jollies by looking in 
> on it, and projecting their fantasies onto it. 
> 
> I've survived Paris concierges, who open your mail,
> and snoop at your doorstep. I think I can handle
> a few NSA snoops or corporate snoops watching my
> online life and whacking off to it.  :-) :-) :-)


This is what we can expect X 10, perhaps even more now with the "generous" gift 
from Rick to Alex.

If Alex doesn't like it, why not let Buck do the moderating ? :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[Michael Jackson]

For whatever its worth, I asked David Spector, a long time TM teacher the same 
question and this is what he said;

Maharishi was usually vague on this question. Sometimes, when pushed, he 
would say that an enlightened person is free to do whatever they like, and 
that meditation could still have a role to play in enlightenment. At other 
times, he would say that the senses were like drawing a line in water--they 
could not give rise to stored stresses (overloads) in enlightenment, and for 
that reason, sitting to practice TM was not needed.

TM teachers sometimes heard slightly different messages on their teacher 
training courses.

It was clear that Maharishi didn't think it was an important topic, or 
possibly that it was not the right question to be asking. My suspicion is 
that it isn't the right question--in enlightenment whatever the body seems 
to do is irrelevant: the Self is free, and that is all that counts.







 From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
 


  
You'd be surprised. The thing that really interfered with my understanding, of 
the development of consciousness, using the 7 SOC model, is, I expected a 
logical and verifiable progression, from one SOC, to the next, CC, GC, UC; in 
other words, something conforming to the academic model of learning I had grown 
up with. And it doesn't quite unfold that way. 

There are symptomatic changes that have taken place for me, conforming to CC, 
GC and UC, but beyond those markers there is also a more unified 
transformation, having to do with a shift in identity, from smaller to larger, 
is about as exact as I can get - more a momentum than a fixed stopping point. 
TM seems to aid the further growth of this "larger" aspect, no matter what CC, 
GC and UC happen to be doing.

CC, GC, and UC, are there as rough markers for the territory, as if I went into 
an art gallery looking for a painting predominantly white, yellow, and purple, 
for example, but having no other description. So there is so much more to grow 
into and learn about, beyond the symptoms of CC, GC and UC, using established 
silence as a starting point.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
> 
> If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
> Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
> 
> Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
> Awareness. 
> 
> What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
> the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
> Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > 
> > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > right of it?
> > 
> >
> 
> Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
> amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
> even while I heard him say the things originally.
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > Whoah!!!
> > > >
> > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?"
> > > >
> > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
> > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
> > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
> > > > sidha or governor.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
> > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
> > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
> > > >
> > 
> > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
> > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even 
> > said that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more time 
> > with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses.  The 
> > Brahmananda Saraswati disco

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[sparaig]

Huh. Even going by the SCI tapes, which is the most "advanced" stuff I have had 
access to, the idea that one never needs to meditate after one obtains CC (or 
even GC or even UC) seems to be a misunderstanding of what MMY said.

The fact that you think otherwise suggests reasons why you don't think TM is 
much to write home about.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
[...]
> 
> A good question. And I await with 'bated breath
> the parroted answers that responders were taught
> on TTC.  :-)
> 
> After all, if one buys into the TM dogma, what
> *use* is meditation after one is "living its goal?"
> 
> Then again, if one buys into that dogma, one could
> come to believe the same thing about feedback from
> the real world.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>

> >> On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote:
> >>> I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who 
> >>> has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests.  He got 
> >>> convinced otherwise and has made this docu.  It features info and also 
> >>> interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves 
> >>> and changed their minds about nuclear energy.  Stuart Brand (Whole Earth 
> >>> catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 
> >>> 2007.  I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and 
> >>> accessible read about climate change.  Lynas was anti nuclear for years - 
> >>> and now changed his mind.  A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not 
> >>> at all an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the 
> >>> positives.  It also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) 
> >>> that produces waste that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The 
> >>> safeguards on these are also incredible.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a
> >> terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy
> >> is NOT a very good idea.  And when you let profit hungry big
> >> corporations run the show the problem gets worse.
> >>
> >> Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a
> >> human population.  This needs to be addressed humanly through one child
> >> programs etc.  We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much
> >> lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology
> >> we have today.  The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that
> >> laissez faire capitalism promotes.  That keeps excessive consumption
> >> alive just so some bunch can keep making money.  How insane!
> >>
> > And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? 
> > This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution.  On a long drive 
> > recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well 
> > written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on:  The plot is 
> > about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic 
> > to reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to 
> > damage to the planet.  Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the 
> > atmosphere a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it 
> > infertile.
> > In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some 
> > event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from 
> > ourselves.
> 
> OK, spoiler here
> 
> but the UK Channel 4 TV series we chatted about here, "Utopia" was about 
> that.  I even told some folks I was playing the first episode for to pay 
> attention to the opening newscast, it lays out the whole thing.  Most 
> people wouldn't pay that strict attention as they think that the 
> newscast is just background sound.  BTW, HBO bought the rights to that 
> series and is producing a US version which may well be watered down and 
> probably not it the nice "scope" aspect ratio that the UK versions was 
> shown.

I missed this show and the discussion here.  Will check it out.
> 
> I've wondered if a virus were produced to stop pregnancy and then 5 
> years later an antidote found if people would still want to have 
> children?  Let's face it, having children is more of a romantic or 
> emotional thing except of course for "mistakes."   A friend and his wife 
> just had their first child and probably only child.  He is in his 40s 
> and was an only child.  I did the horoscope which showed nothing but 
> weak planets (oh well, my horoscope is like that too). But I kept 
> thinking, "poor kid, I sure wouldn't want to be born into this world the 
> state it is in."
> 
> And I have other friends who have chosen not  to have children at all in 
> spite of the fact that they are very bright people.  It's the religious 
> fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because 
> their emotions drive them more than reason.

And also the billions of people in other countries who have many children.

My soon to be married son is seriously considering not having children due to 
what he expects the future to be like. I would love grandchildren and we humans 
seem to be pack animals, but I can understand his concerns. This is not 
something we thought of back in the 70's and 80's.
> 
> BTW, a few months back I found a copy of a Chinese newspaper delivered 
> here and to all houses in the neighborhood.   The ad on the front page 
> celebrated the single child policy.  Of course folks from China are 
> coming over on tours to buy houses in the US.

More details on folks from China coming here to buy homes, please.  So they can 
have more children? Due to pollution in China?  It is not easy to become a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[sparaig]

Maharishi basically calls TM "plain old thinking" when explaining it in this 
video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRSvW9Ml9DQ


Its one of my favorite talks by him, and its just a Q&A session with some 
people, who might not even be meditators, rather than some formal lecture time.


L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
> 
> Apparently you've bought into the story of 'TM' being
> somehow different than just plain old thinking. I'm
> sure this won't be lost on Barry. LoL!
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[sparaig]

I thought that I was the reason for the post limit in the first place as I had 
a tendency to post 100's of posts during the worst part of my OCD issues some 
years back.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Nah - Why bother? Barry, as our FFL Administrative Assistant 
> > wannabee, can do it, though you WILL have to chase him around 
> > the desk a few times.
> 
> Sounds to me as if someone is really pissed that I 
> outed him as the high scorer in the FFL Ain't Got 
> No Self Control Contest.  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
> > > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
> > > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
> > > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
> > > > we'll reinstate it.
> > > 
> > > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
 Michael Jackson mailto:mjackson74@> > wrote:
> >
> > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM
> longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once
> enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > 
> > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the
> right of it?
> > 
> >
> 
> Nope, bullshit. I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always
> amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him
> even while I heard him say the things originally.
> -Buck
> 
> One thing he did say one time: people on a course were complaining about
> some instruction he had given to round less. He said there may come a time
> when I ask you to stop meditating entirely. The important thing is to follow
> my instructions.
>

 I suspect this was mostly in the context of unstressing during meditation or 
during long-courses, but you never know.

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[sparaig]

And of course, just because silence has been present 24/7 for a while, doesn't 
mean it will persist for the rest of your life anyway.

The criterion for being included in Fred Travis' tests on CC was that CC was 
ongoing and had been stable for at least a year. A month (or year) of CC 
doesn't guarantee that one will always be in CC, and being in CC doesn't mean 
you can't still gain benefit from TM practice. 

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:
>
> What I think he meant is that once silence is permanently established, it 
> will not fade away. But, even once silence is established, there is still so 
> much growth to take place. That never stops, and TM is a pretty effective 
> way, imo, to keep the ball rolling.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > 
> > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > right of it?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > Whoah!!!
> > > >
> > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?"
> > > >
> > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
> > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
> > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
> > > > sidha or governor.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
> > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
> > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
> > > >
> > 
> > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
> > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even 
> > said that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more time 
> > with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses.  The 
> > Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read during 
> > the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the non-meditators 
> > here and reading the Guru Dev discourses instead.  That is lifetime very 
> > well spent. -Buck
> > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
> > 
> > 
> > > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them 
> > > > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no 
> > > > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did 
> > > > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for 
> > > > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without 
> > > > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *From:* Buck 
> > > > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
> > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > , Michael Jackson 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to 
> > > > still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear MJ;
> > > > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur 
> > > > not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a 
> > > > Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of 
> > > > course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste is 
> > > > a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does 
> > > > not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in learned 
> > > > to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to 
> > > > read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has 
> > > > worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw 
> > > > it away is tragedy beyond reason. I'm a practical guy, no 
> > > > philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the time too, a sidha 
> > > > too.
> > > > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
> > > > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,
> > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Buck
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[sparaig]

You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid.

TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating TM 
with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated with 
pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait becomes 
stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet watchfulness as a 
background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger still, this 
background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of consciousness. 

Because we naturally call our "self" that which is most constant in our 
internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet background 
24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, quiet, 
non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their "real" self. Once this 
occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the beginning 
stages of CC.

HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a 
background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, CC-wise:

you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for example. 
Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system that 
manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure 
consciousness your entire meditation time.

Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that 
doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people 
continue to meditate.


Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC before 
you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, how 
stable is stable? One could note PC at all times in activity and identify it as 
one's true self and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of the 
perceptual world even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never be sure 
that CC is fully mature, how could it be otherwise?).

Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state of 
GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, 
growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway.

This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he "had it all" because 
he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, he stopped 
doing TM.

L

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
> 
> If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
> Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
> 
> Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
> Awareness. 
> 
> What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
> the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
> Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > 
> > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > right of it?
> > 
> >
> 
> Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
> amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
> even while I heard him say the things originally.
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > Whoah!!!
> > > >
> > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?"
> > > >
> > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
> > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
> > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
> > > > sidha or governor.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
> > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
> > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
> > > >
> > 
> > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
> > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even 
> > said that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more time 
> > with more medit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > > > 
> > > > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > > > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > > > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > > > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > > > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> > > 
> > > Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> > > "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> > > Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
> >  
> >  This is stupid. I am not with stupid. ^
> > Turq. You live in a tunnel. Tunnel vision you have.
> > Tunnel wind you produce. 
> 
> Are YOU going to REALLY try to make a case for
> living one's life worrying about what other people
> think of you?
> 
> If so, I pity you. 
> 
> My life is a *testament* to Doing What The Fuck I
> Want, And Getting Away With It. 
> 
> I have been living this lifestyle since I was 20.
> Even in my TM days I did pretty much what I wanted
> to. I had girlfriends, openly, when other guys 
> around me were bowing down to the Wet Diapers Of 
> Hindu-inspired Celibacy. I said what I wanted to 
> in TM "advanced lectures," and Got Away With It. 
> I criticized Maharishi's insane policies openly
> in meetings with TM leaders, and Got Away With It.
> I possibly got laid more on TM courses than many 
> people here have gotten laid in their lives. 
> 
> Since then, not much has changed with my basic 
> lifestyle. And I see no reason either why it should, 
> or that I should become in the least bit paranoid 
> about voyeurs getting their jollies by looking in 
> on it, and projecting their fantasies onto it. 
> 
> I've survived Paris concierges, who open your mail,
> and snoop at your doorstep. I think I can handle
> a few NSA snoops or corporate snoops watching my
> online life and whacking off to it.  :-) :-) :-)
>

Not talking about sex or my big boobs, or your naked body over the webcam, 
Turq.  :)  Thanks for taking my nudge at you as not an attack and giving me a 
good lecture of how you live your life. I am free spirited too, believe me.
but
Have you ever marketed a product? Grass root marketed any products or services?
Have you ever had larger companies digging at your skin trying to get the 
"secrets," of something you worked on or represent in confidence?
Do you think the people who work collecting all that data are all happy go 
lucky and living a pure life and are debt free and without desires and needs 
beyond what they can afford? 
If you have, you would be concerned about what and who is viewing and sharing 
your information. 
Some of us run naked in the sand some of the time. When it comes to business 
secrets, techniques, etc., that is what is at stake.

Now how about that picture you promised me? ;)

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[obbajeeba]

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/intelligent-energy/safe-nuclear-indias-thorium-reactor/15707

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Has anyone mentioned this?:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Susan
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:09 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power
> documentary
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "salyavin808"
> mailto:fintlewoodlewix@> > wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "Susan"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who
> has in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests. He got
> convinced otherwise and has made this docu. It features info and also
> interviews with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and
> changed their minds about nuclear energy. Stuart Brand (Whole Earth
> catalogue) is one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in
> 2007. I have mentioned that book here several times - terrific and
> accessible read about climate change. Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and
> now changed his mind. A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all
> an expert on nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives. It
> also seems that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste
> that is recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are
> also incredible.
> > 
> > 
> > These pro nuclear environmentalists make me laugh, I think they
> > come from a place where we absolutely *have* to keep consuming
> > power at the insane rate we have for the last hundred years and
> > that cutting back on consumption isn't a plausible option.
> 
> The docu mentions this problem. It seems that the pro-nuclear
> environmentalists have become rather practical. First, they don't believe
> that cutting back is an option - that to think that our own Western
> populations will cut back is a pipe dream. It might be smart and the right
> thing to do, but it won't happen. And seond, for us to expect the developing
> nations to not have what we have - cars, unlimited energy - it not "fair"
> and also is not happening. China and India and Brazil are moving full steam
> ahead and will use whatever energy source is around. Second, they feel that
> given that our demands for energy will not be dropping, we cannot just count
> on water, wind and solar sources. Anything that helps is good, but those
> systems simply will not solve the problem anytime soon. We are running out
> of time, and to wait for other types of energy is wishful thinking for now.
> > 
> > The sad fact about nuclear power is that we don't have enough
> > uranium on this planet to outlast the coal supply should we
> > switch wholesale and build more reactors. 
> > 
> > Then there's terrorism, if al queda had been smart they would have
> > flown the 9/11 planes into a nuclear reactor (but don't give them
> > ideas) and then there is the black market in dirty plutonium, so
> > simple to make a dirty bomb, drive it into a major city and
> > It's just bound to happen sooner or later.
> > 
> > But the real disaster is waste, I have heard of these fast breeder
> > reactors but I'm not even sure they have been demonstrated to work very
> well and they do still create a small amount of waste and it
> > becomes much more toxic than the 11,000,000 barrels of stuff we
> > have lying around the UK waiting to be buried. 
> 
> I don't know, but in the docu they said that these reactors had been around
> since the late 40's. A decision was made at that time by Rickover (sp?) to
> go with the other incredibly more polluting systems in building power plants
> (and submarines). Scientists of today seem pretty certain that the waste is
> mostly recyclable and the plants are very very safe compared to the current
> style. Whether that waste is more polluting, I have no idea and it was not
> addressed in the film.At the end of this movie, there were questions and
> answers with Robert Stone. As he was walking out, a 60ish year old man came
> up and congratulated him on a good job, mentioned that he himself had spent
> 40 years in the nuclear power industry (I think an engineer), and that there
> were risks not mentioned in the film. He felt that nuclear (the fast
> breeder) was our only option at this time in history and given the pace of
> global climate change and the energy demands of our planet. However, he did
> feel we should also be having a more thorough conversation about the risks
> (he did not elaborate on them - wish he had).
> > 
> > And that is what will happen, just brush it all under the carpet
> > and let mankind of t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > > 
> > > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> > 
> > Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> > "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> > Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
>  
>  This is stupid. I am not with stupid. ^
> Turq. You live in a tunnel. Tunnel vision you have.
> Tunnel wind you produce. 

Are YOU going to REALLY try to make a case for
living one's life worrying about what other people
think of you?

If so, I pity you. 

My life is a *testament* to Doing What The Fuck I
Want, And Getting Away With It. 

I have been living this lifestyle since I was 20.
Even in my TM days I did pretty much what I wanted
to. I had girlfriends, openly, when other guys 
around me were bowing down to the Wet Diapers Of 
Hindu-inspired Celibacy. I said what I wanted to 
in TM "advanced lectures," and Got Away With It. 
I criticized Maharishi's insane policies openly
in meetings with TM leaders, and Got Away With It.
I possibly got laid more on TM courses than many 
people here have gotten laid in their lives. 

Since then, not much has changed with my basic 
lifestyle. And I see no reason either why it should, 
or that I should become in the least bit paranoid 
about voyeurs getting their jollies by looking in 
on it, and projecting their fantasies onto it. 

I've survived Paris concierges, who open your mail,
and snoop at your doorstep. I think I can handle
a few NSA snoops or corporate snoops watching my
online life and whacking off to it.  :-) :-) :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[doctordumbass]

David needs to speak for himself. There is not necessarily a "we", in his 
comment.

Thought is the *only* reason Mr. Frawley, and you, John, are able to share this 
piece of spinach with us. The engineers that developed this technology of 
communication, needed to think deeply, and continuously, to put this together. 

If I may hazard a guess, David F. has just discovered that 90% of his thoughts 
are useless energy and momentum, spent maintaining a story. It is a common, 
though by no means, universal malady. 

Once he sees this, perhaps Dave can put his mind into silence, and simply 
recognize the Divine utility of thought - the other 10%. In the meantime, his 
projecting isn't helping.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of true 
> consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail to truly 
> question."
> 
> David Frawley
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Culture of Illusion

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> "Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism 
> devoid of true consciousness. It is the inertia of our 
> conditioning that we fail to truly question."
> 
> David Frawley

While true on one level, this is a declaration made
on the basis of a value judgment. An assumption that
Frawley not only makes but fails to challenge is 
"thought is NOT 'true consciousness.'" 

Step back from that assumption, and deal with the
possibility that thought is NOT the antithesis of
'true consciousness,' but merely another aspect of
it, and it's a whole other story. 

Can you deal with that, John? Can you honestly state
that your moments of no-thought in "transcendence"
have NO "higher" or "better" significance than your 
moments of thought? 

If you cannot, then your life is ruled by dogma. 

The "wish to believe," not the "will to find out."

Just sayin'...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> > 
> > As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> > wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> > and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> > the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> > hell hope he's using a VPN service!
> 
> Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
> "open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
> Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 
> 
 This is stupid. I am not with stupid. ^
Turq. You live in a tunnel. Tunnel vision you have.
Tunnel wind you produce. 




> I mean, I *pity* the poor spook or corporate hacker
> who gets assigned to monitoring *my* life, online
> or real. Poor fuck is going to die of boredom. :-)
> 
> After all, it's mainly internal -- both at work and
> at play in my cafes. At work, I get input for the 
> docs I have to write mainly over the Net. I then
> synthesize them and translate them from nerd-speak
> into people-speak and write them down. At play, I 
> sometimes do the same thing with trends here at FFL.
> 
> Either way, Big Fuckin' Whoop. If anyone has problems
> with my lifestyle, I sincerely hope that the world
> has not grown So Fucked Up that anyone would have 
> the power to do anything about it. I am essentially 
> a boring, introverted writer. At work, I get paid to 
> channel that talent into usable information for an 
> International Corporate Giant, one that pays me 
> handsomely. At play, I don't get paid at all. At
> least not here on FFL. 
> 
> Quite honestly, I don't see me and my chosen lifestyle
> popping to the top of any Anti-Terrorism Watchlist. 
> Not even any Anti-God or Anti-All-Things-Good Watchlist.
> 
> Except here. 
> 
> FFL seems to be the only place where people think of
> me that way. That's probably the thing that keeps
> me around...the humor of it all.  :-)  :-)  :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] The Culture of Illusion

[John]

"Thought, if we learn to observe it, is a reaction-mechanism devoid of true 
consciousness.  It is the inertia of our conditioning that we fail to truly 
question."

David Frawley

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[doctordumbass]

You'd be surprised. The thing that really interfered with my understanding, of 
the development of consciousness, using the 7 SOC model, is, I expected a 
logical and verifiable progression, from one SOC, to the next, CC, GC, UC; in 
other words, something conforming to the academic model of learning I had grown 
up with. And it doesn't quite unfold that way. 

There are symptomatic changes that have taken place for me, conforming to CC, 
GC and UC, but beyond those markers there is also a more unified 
transformation, having to do with a shift in identity, from smaller to larger, 
is about as exact as I can get - more a momentum than a fixed stopping point. 
TM seems to aid the further growth of this "larger" aspect, no matter what CC, 
GC and UC happen to be doing.

CC, GC, and UC, are there as rough markers for the territory, as if I went into 
an art gallery looking for a painting predominantly white, yellow, and purple, 
for example, but having no other description. So there is so much more to grow 
into and learn about, beyond the symptoms of CC, GC and UC, using established 
silence as a starting point.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
> 
> If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
> Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 
> 
> Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
> Awareness. 
> 
> What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to 
> the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
> Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
> > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
> > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> > 
> > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the 
> > right of it?
> > 
> >
> 
> Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always 
> amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him 
> even while I heard him say the things originally.
> -Buck
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: Buck 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > > Whoah!!!
> > > >
> > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?"
> > > >
> > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
> > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
> > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
> > > > sidha or governor.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
> > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
> > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
> > > >
> > 
> > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
> > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even 
> > said that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more time 
> > with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses.  The 
> > Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read during 
> > the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the non-meditators 
> > here and reading the Guru Dev discourses instead.  That is lifetime very 
> > well spent. -Buck
> > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
> > 
> > 
> > > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them 
> > > > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no 
> > > > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did 
> > > > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for 
> > > > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without 
> > > > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *From:* Buck 
> > > > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
> > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > , Michael Jackson 
> > >

[FairfieldLife] The people’s voice heralds the future

[nablusoss1008]

 The people's voice heralds the future by the Master —,
through Benjamin Creme, 6 June 2013
It is becoming more and more obvious to many that the present economic
structure of the world is in tatters and must be changed. For example,
the economies of the USA, Europe and Japan are in the doldrums; and
China, so recently the powerhouse, is slowing down. Only India, where
millions still live and die in poverty, and Brazil hold aloft the banner
of `success'.

Admittedly, this is a very partial view of the economies of the world
but it is largely the case that the nations are languishing and know not
how to prosper. The old tricks no longer work: university graduates feel
lucky to serve in bars; the poor are poorer than ever and are thankful
for food banks; the middle classes struggle to `keep up'; the
rich are richer than ever but believe they are over-taxed. Governments
try, but their priorities are mistaken and their methods no longer are
relevant to the problems which face the world.

The people, however, who suffer most from government inaction or wrong
thinking, see clearly their own needs. They look for freedom, justice,
the right to work and a world at peace in which their families can
thrive. Their demands are more and more being given voice. For little
longer will the mass of men restrain the anger and frustration which is
their lot. They trust no longer the words or the actions of governments
done in their name. For too long, and too often, they have been deceived
and cheated of their birthright. They see this in simple terms but with
clear eyes, trusting no longer the machinations of the powerful rich.
The voice of the people is rising, nay, has risen, and is calling men to
declare themselves.

The people, clear-eyed and unafraid, have looked into the future and
have seen the possibility of the fulfilment of their aspirations for a
just and peaceful world. They know that this will not happen by itself
but that they must, together with their brothers and sisters, take the
power of fulfilment into their own hands. They know too that the way may
be hard and dangerous but that the prize is too precious for them to
fail, for it is the prize of brotherhood, of justice and peace, and a
better, simpler and truer life for all. They know that no sacrifice is
too great for this achievement and are willing to die in its name.

Thus will the people of the world inherit the birthright of freedom and
justice that is their due. Thus will the voice of the people rise louder
and clearer in the months and years ahead.

[This article from Share International magazine, July / August 2013 , is
by a senior member of the Hierarchy of Masters of Wisdom. His name,
well-known in esoteric circles, is not yet being revealed. Benjamin
Creme, a principal spokesman about the emergence of Maitreya, is in
constant telepathic contact with this Master who dictated his article to
him.]
(Read more articles by this Master)


http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2013/2013-07.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> there is no common sense in what you are saying. 
> 
> If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness 
> or certainly Unity Consciousness, how could there 
> possibly be a need to meditate? 
> 
> Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously 
> aware of BEING Pure Awareness. 
> 
> What possible use could meditation be once you have 
> awakened permanently to the experience of being 
> everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
> Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?

A good question. And I await with 'bated breath
the parroted answers that responders were taught
on TTC.  :-)

After all, if one buys into the TM dogma, what
*use* is meditation after one is "living its goal?"

Then again, if one buys into that dogma, one could
come to believe the same thing about feedback from
the real world. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > So, if I intentionally post out before Friday, by say, one post,
> > does this mean I get no restrictive punishment (hand slapped from
> > posting privileges) after Friday? :)
> 
> 
> No, that means you get to sit out the first week of unlimited posting. >:(
>

Okay. :-(  

Whoppie! 
 Just in case I accidentally do post out on your birthday as the birthday song 
is being sung to you with your family and friends, I wish you Happy Birthday, 
now! 

Happy Birthday Alex!

May you live beyond 100 years and infinity too!

May you enjoy the infinite number of photo links I will post during the 
unlimited posts, extravaganza, (during this month of Shravan and with the 
aspect of Rahu on Guru ) of all of my immediate and extended family, one at a 
time, as many as I can find on the internet!
This will be fun!   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> 
> As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the 
> wise choice to use a VPN service to maintain privacy 
> and security. If he's doing his corporate gig work on 
> the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as 
> hell hope he's using a VPN service!

Another, possibly saner approach, is to have an
"open life," in the sense that one really Doesn't
Give A Shit what anyone knows about his life. 

I mean, I *pity* the poor spook or corporate hacker
who gets assigned to monitoring *my* life, online
or real. Poor fuck is going to die of boredom. :-)

After all, it's mainly internal -- both at work and
at play in my cafes. At work, I get input for the 
docs I have to write mainly over the Net. I then
synthesize them and translate them from nerd-speak
into people-speak and write them down. At play, I 
sometimes do the same thing with trends here at FFL.

Either way, Big Fuckin' Whoop. If anyone has problems
with my lifestyle, I sincerely hope that the world
has not grown So Fucked Up that anyone would have 
the power to do anything about it. I am essentially 
a boring, introverted writer. At work, I get paid to 
channel that talent into usable information for an 
International Corporate Giant, one that pays me 
handsomely. At play, I don't get paid at all. At
least not here on FFL. 

Quite honestly, I don't see me and my chosen lifestyle
popping to the top of any Anti-Terrorism Watchlist. 
Not even any Anti-God or Anti-All-Things-Good Watchlist.

Except here. 

FFL seems to be the only place where people think of
me that way. That's probably the thing that keeps
me around...the humor of it all.  :-)  :-)  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Bhairitu]

On 08/05/2013 11:18 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
>> however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
>>
> You're acting more like an paranoid, insane informant
> every day! LoL!
>
> Why not just turn over the whole Yahoo! list to the
> NSA or the CIA to moderate and count the posts?

Because they would laugh at us.  Even if Alex reported a problem with 
posts involving the post count to Yahoo even Yahoo engineers would laugh 
at him and ask "you people have a posting limit?"

BTW, Yahoo Mail's new terms and conditions allow them to read every 
email using that service.  No problem for me because I only use their 
email service for publicly posted groups and blog comments. They're not 
seeing anything they can't read publicly that I've posted.  In fact the 
only reason I used Yahoo mail for groups was because it used to be lousy 
at handling email from other email services.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
wrote:
>
> Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.

As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the wise choice to use a 
VPN service to maintain privacy and security. If he's doing his corporate gig 
work on the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as hell hope he's 
using a VPN service!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[Michael Jackson]

there is no common sense in what you are saying. 

If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity 
Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? 

Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure 
Awareness. 

What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to the 
experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded 
Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms?





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM longer 
> than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once enlightenment 
> comes, there is no need to meditate. 
> 
> Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the right 
> of it?
> 
>

Nope, bullshit.  I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always amazing 
and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him even while 
I heard him say the things originally.
-Buck

> 
> 
> 
>  From: Buck 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> > 
> > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > > Whoah!!!
> > >
> > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?"
> > >
> > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe 
> > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast 
> > > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> > >
> > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. 
> > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a 
> > > sidha or governor.
> > >
> > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor 
> > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be 
> > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. 
> > >
> 
> No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught.  Even the 
> enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons.  Jim DA here has even said 
> that in his discoursing on FFL.  But really you should spend more time with 
> more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses.  The Brahmananda 
> Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read during the day or late 
> at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the non-meditators here and reading 
> the Guru Dev discourses instead.  That is lifetime very well spent. -Buck
> http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
> 
> 
> > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them 
> > > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no 
> > > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did 
> > > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for 
> > > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without 
> > > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *From:* Buck 
> > > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
> > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > , Michael Jackson 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to 
> > > still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dear MJ;
> > > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur 
> > > not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a 
> > > Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of 
> > > course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste is 
> > > a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does 
> > > not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in learned 
> > > to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to 
> > > read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has 
> > > worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw 
> > > it away is tragedy beyond reason. I'm a practical guy, no 
> > > philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the time too, a sidha too.
> > > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
> > > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,
> > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Buck
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators
> > > >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[doctordumbass]

got tunneling, Alex?? If FFL Admin wannabee is using any part of the corporate 
network, even as a relay point, his ass is theirs. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
> > probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
> > and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.
> 
> As a frequent user of free WiFi, he could be making the wise choice to use a 
> VPN service to maintain privacy and security. If he's doing his corporate gig 
> work on the same laptop that he posts with, I would sure as hell hope he's 
> using a VPN service!
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Bhairitu]

On 08/05/2013 10:41 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>>> As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday),
>>> we're going to waive the posting limit for a month,
>>> starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police
>>> it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
>>> may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege,
>>> we'll reinstate it.
>> Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
>> however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
>>
> The Golden Self-Referral Computer Script Technology of the Unified Field will 
> remain in place for our blissful enhancement of self-awareness and growth 
> toward evolution in tune with all the Laws of Nature.
>
>

Of course there is a Python script in the members section that folks can 
download and run IF they they are running Thunderbird or any other email 
client that uses Mbox email storage.  And you have to be technically 
savvy enough to know where your mbox file for FFL is stored (not exactly 
rocket science).  And you need Python installed.

In fact I just rewrote that script because of its roundabout way of 
parsing the email headers.  Python has a lot of different libraries and 
I found another one that did better parsing and simplified the script.

The mail problem with using the script (and same for the server PHP 
script) is that sometimes your email host may put an FFL email in the 
junk folder online which can cause the count to vary slightly. This is 
particularly true with Yahoo's own email.

The bigger problem is some folks tendency to knee jerk reply to a post 
when maybe it would help if they count to 10 first.

[FairfieldLife] Atheist women and Christian women: natural allies?

[turquoiseb]

I don't know about anyone else, but I found this a 
remarkably insightful article:

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/05/shocking_new_allies_atheist_and_christian_women/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[doctordumbass]

I plan to!! Maybe, 150, or even like *500*!!! I'm hiring homeless dudes to log 
in as me, and fucking FLOOD FFL - Don't worry, each will be provided a script, 
and plenty o' their fave bev!! IT IS ON!! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8vei3L0L8 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Barry's worst nightmare come true. I suggest you, I, Ann and Judy post 100
> messages each LOL
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:46 AM, doctordumbass@... <
> no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > You DEFINITELY have the wrong idea from my comment below - I WAS NOT
> > suggesting *I* would be the one, chasing you around the desk, Barry.
> >
> > You caught the wrong scent that time...Barry, (points) Go To Rick, Rick,
> > Yes, Go To Rick ->
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nah - Why bother? Barry, as our FFL Administrative Assistant
> > > > wannabee, can do it, though you WILL have to chase him around
> > > > the desk a few times.
> > >
> > > Sounds to me as if someone is really pissed that I
> > > outed him as the high scorer in the FFL Ain't Got
> > > No Self Control Contest. :-)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday),
> > > > > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month,
> > > > > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police
> > > > > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > > > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege,
> > > > > > we'll reinstate it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > > > > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[Bhairitu]

On 08/05/2013 11:01 AM, Susan wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>> We have 4 nucler (NOO-kyuh-luhr) power plants here in SC with a total of 7 
>> reactors.
>>
>> They have been around so long we don't take much notice of them.
>>
>> Every now and then you might have to swerve your car real fast to avoid 
>> hitting an eight legged cow sized frog that comes out of the swamps nearby 
>> the reactor, but the nucler place generally pays your damages, so its no big 
>> deal.
>>
>> Barnwell Nuclear facility here in SC used to store waste for the entire 
>> country, now only for connecticut, new jersy, and SC itself. Most of the 
>> rest goes to Hanford.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>   From: Bhairitu 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power 
>> documentary
>>   
>>
>>
>> Â
>> On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote:
>>> I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has 
>>> in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests.  He got convinced 
>>> otherwise and has made this docu.  It features info and also interviews 
>>> with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed 
>>> their minds about nuclear energy.  Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is 
>>> one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007.  I have 
>>> mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about 
>>> climate change.  Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his 
>>> mind.  A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on 
>>> nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives.  It also seems 
>>> that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is 
>>> recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also 
>>> incredible.
>>>
>>>
>> I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a
>> terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy
>> is NOT a very good idea.  And when you let profit hungry big
>> corporations run the show the problem gets worse.
>>
>> Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a
>> human population.  This needs to be addressed humanly through one child
>> programs etc.  We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much
>> lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology
>> we have today.  The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that
>> laissez faire capitalism promotes.  That keeps excessive consumption
>> alive just so some bunch can keep making money.  How insane!
>>
> And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? 
> This is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution.  On a long drive 
> recently I listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well 
> written book. But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on:  The plot is 
> about a scientist and others who feel that they must do something drastic to 
> reduce earth's population or else we are going to be extinct due to damage to 
> the planet.  Via terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the atmosphere 
> a virus that renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it infertile.
> In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some 
> event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from 
> ourselves.

OK, spoiler here

but the UK Channel 4 TV series we chatted about here, "Utopia" was about 
that.  I even told some folks I was playing the first episode for to pay 
attention to the opening newscast, it lays out the whole thing.  Most 
people wouldn't pay that strict attention as they think that the 
newscast is just background sound.  BTW, HBO bought the rights to that 
series and is producing a US version which may well be watered down and 
probably not it the nice "scope" aspect ratio that the UK versions was 
shown.

I've wondered if a virus were produced to stop pregnancy and then 5 
years later an antidote found if people would still want to have 
children?  Let's face it, having children is more of a romantic or 
emotional thing except of course for "mistakes."   A friend and his wife 
just had their first child and probably only child.  He is in his 40s 
and was an only child.  I did the horoscope which showed nothing but 
weak planets (oh well, my horoscope is like that too). But I kept 
thinking, "poor kid, I sure wouldn't want to be born into this world the 
state it is in."

And I have other friends who have chosen not  to have children at all in 
spite of the fact that they are very bright people.  It's the religious 
fundamentalists who have still having large families obviously because 
their emotions drive them more than reason.

BTW, a few months back I found a copy of a Chinese newspaper delivered 
here and to all houses in the ne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Seventh Ray

[Ravi Chivukula]

LOL, Feste really pushed Barry's buttons there.


On Aug 5, 2013, at 9:10 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com 
 wrote:

> Her, she, her, she...sounds like a chocolate bar. JUST SAY IT, Barry. "JUDY". 
> You can say it out loud, not just whispered under the covers. Again, 
> "J-U-D-Y". Four letters, spell it out, that's it; JUDY.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd call that a rather desperate rejoinder, long on 
> > > self-justification and short on insight into what 
> > > really motivates you. 
> > 
> > And I'd call that what I did earlier, having shit 
> > for brains. :-)
> > 
> > Let's see what happens next week, shall we?
> > 
> > I think you know what it'll be, and despite all your
> > big talk about "pettiness," you're FINE with it. When
> > her penance on the Ain't Got No Self Control Bench is
> > over, the former pro wrestler in question will try to
> > wreak her vengeance by finding something -- anything --
> > to rag on in my posts. It won't matter what they're
> > about, or whether they are positive or negative, or
> > whether they even mention anyone here, or anything TM-
> > related. She'll find *something* in them to rag on. 
> > And then her shit-for-brains groupie-minions will pile 
> > on, finally able to have someone think for them, and
> > provide them with a "writing prompt" so that *they* 
> > have someone to rag on, too. 
> > 
> > Will you notice at that time that I will *not* be
> > reacting to them, and *not* mentioning any of them
> > in my posts? Probably not. You'll stick with the same
> > old story you've bought into already. 
> > 
> > Then again, you've stuck with one loser story (TM)
> > for a lot longer than that, so I guess no one should
> > be surprised. :-)
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You're running your obsession again, doing exactly the 
> > > > > thing you accuse others of: trying to "get" your "enemies" 
> > > > > and prove them "wrong" so you can "win." You like to 
> > > > > pretend you are above such pettiness but the record 
> > > > > shows otherwise. 
> > > > 
> > > > Listen, shit-for-brains, that's what Jimbo The Enlightened
> > > > Bimbo was doing. Me, I was just making a joke in my original
> > > > post, playing off of the nickname that Andrew Skolnick gave 
> > > > to the Judester, linking it to the name of a wrestler in 
> > > > someone's post. Jimbo tried to make that into an obsession, 
> > > > LYING to do so (he even forgot that *HE* had brought up her 
> > > > name this week, much less that his other Mean Girls had).
> > > > 
> > > > And *since* I pointed out his LIE, the ones "piling on" and 
> > > > trying to "get" someone (moi) over this are the same Mean 
> > > > Girls Club as usual, and now *you* are helping them. 
> > > > 
> > > > How 'bout if you don't like all the pettiness, you refrain
> > > > from adding yours to the mix, eh?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you know you are the ONLY ONE here, out of this 
> > > > > > > thousand-plus member forum, who has even mentioned 
> > > > > > > her NAME, since she left last week?? Now, THAT is 
> > > > > > > dedication!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > H. It appears that the self-proclaimed "enlightened" 
> > > > > > guy LIES like a rug. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Judy's name has been mentioned in 18 posts this week,
> > > > > > including 6 by Obba, 3 each by Willytex, Ann, and 
> > > > > > Seventhray, 1 by merudanda, and now 2 by *him*. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And not only is he a LIAR, the "enlightened" guy has 
> > > > > > now documented himself as probably the only person on 
> > > > > > the forum who didn't laugh at an obvious joke.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Some commercial for "enlightenment," Maharishi-style, eh?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Yay for Minions! Yay for turq being a good sport! Not 
> sure about Yay for Totally Unlimited Posting (TUP). 
> AND not sure what Rick means by *abuse.* Rick, how 
> many posts of just smiley faces can I send before 
> it's considered abuse ha ha? 

No need to appeal to Alex or Rick for this one, Share.
I'm pretty sure it's covered under Rule Number Three:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVVxXdOKrgo


> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit
>  
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, if I intentionally post out before Friday, by say, one post,
> > > does this mean I get no restrictive punishment (hand slapped from
> > > posting privileges) after Friday? :)
> > 
> > No, that means you get to sit out the first week of unlimited 
> > posting. >:(
> 
> An answer worthy of Solomon. 
> 
> And, just in case I forget to post it on Thursday,
> here's a birthday greeting from Those Who Really 
> Matter. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndJCsghkJCs
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Ravi Chivukula]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" rick@ wrote:
> >
> > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday),
> > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month,
> > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police
> > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege,
> > we'll reinstate it.
>
> Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
>


4 weeks of nightmares isn't it  Barry? I wonder if we can have a weekly
post of your obsession levels?  Perhaps a simple color coded chart

Barry's obsession level - RED​

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, if I intentionally post out before Friday, by say, one post,
> > > does this mean I get no restrictive punishment (hand slapped from
> > > posting privileges) after Friday? :)
> > 
> > No, that means you get to sit out the first week of unlimited 
> > posting. >:(
> 
> An answer worthy of Solomon. 
> 
> And, just in case I forget to post it on Thursday,
> here's a birthday greeting from Those Who Really 
> Matter.  
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndJCsghkJCs
>

Thank you. But, please forgive me that I had to google to find out who Those 
Who Really Matter are.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Richard J. Williams]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
>
You're acting more like an paranoid, insane informant 
every day! LoL!

Why not just turn over the whole Yahoo! list to the 
NSA or the CIA to moderate and count the posts? 

Let's face it, being in a foreign country, you're 
probably getting traced every day everywhere you go 
and every time you use Wi-Fi to go online. Go figure.

I'd be more worried about that, than how many posts 
are made by Judy in New Jersey. Just sayin'! 


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
> > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
> > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
> > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
> > we'll reinstate it.
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Ravi Chivukula]

Barry's worst nightmare come true. I suggest you, I, Ann and Judy post 100
messages each LOL


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:46 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com <
no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> You DEFINITELY have the wrong idea from my comment below - I WAS NOT
> suggesting *I* would be the one, chasing you around the desk, Barry.
>
> You caught the wrong scent that time...Barry, (points) Go To Rick, Rick,
> Yes, Go To Rick ->
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah - Why bother? Barry, as our FFL Administrative Assistant
> > > wannabee, can do it, though you WILL have to chase him around
> > > the desk a few times.
> >
> > Sounds to me as if someone is really pissed that I
> > outed him as the high scorer in the FFL Ain't Got
> > No Self Control Contest. :-)
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday),
> > > > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month,
> > > > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police
> > > > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege,
> > > > > we'll reinstate it.
> > > >
> > > > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > > > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Share Long]

Yay for Minions! Yay for turq being a good sport! Not sure about Yay for 
Totally Unlimited Posting (TUP). AND not sure what Rick means by *abuse.* Rick, 
how many posts of just smiley faces can I send before it's considered abuse ha 
ha? Anyway, Moon will be increasing on Friday. I'm just sayin...Last but not 
least, happy birthday to Alex on Thursday. Let them eat cake!





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > So, if I intentionally post out before Friday, by say, one post,
> > does this mean I get no restrictive punishment (hand slapped from
> > posting privileges) after Friday? :)
> 
> No, that means you get to sit out the first week of unlimited 
> posting. >:(

An answer worthy of Solomon. 

And, just in case I forget to post it on Thursday,
here's a birthday greeting from Those Who Really 
Matter. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndJCsghkJCs


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:16 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday),
> > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month,
> > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police
> > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege,
> > we'll reinstate it.
>
> Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
>

​4 weeks of nightmares isn't it Barry? I wonder if we can have a weekly
post of your obsession levels? Perhaps a simple color coded chart

Barry's obsession level - RED​


>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Could the Space Brothers be...SATAN?

[turquoiseb]

Crop circles be damned. When they *really* want to 
communicate, they construct a 1,200-foot pentagram:

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/huge-mysterious-pentagram-kazakhstan-explained-6C10843939

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[emilymae.reyn]

Have a good one Alex!  "For all the advances in medicine, there is still no 
cure for the common birthday."   John Glenn



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
> > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
> > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
> > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
> > > we'll reinstate it.
> > 
> > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> >
> 
> The Golden Self-Referral Computer Script Technology of the Unified Field will 
> remain in place for our blissful enhancement of self-awareness and growth 
> toward evolution in tune with all the Laws of Nature.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power documentary

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> We have 4 nucler (NOO-kyuh-luhr) power plants here in SC with a total of 7 
> reactors.
> 
> They have been around so long we don't take much notice of them. 
> 
> Every now and then you might have to swerve your car real fast to avoid 
> hitting an eight legged cow sized frog that comes out of the swamps nearby 
> the reactor, but the nucler place generally pays your damages, so its no big 
> deal.
> 
> Barnwell Nuclear facility here in SC used to store waste for the entire 
> country, now only for connecticut, new jersy, and SC itself. Most of the rest 
> goes to Hanford. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Bhairitu 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] For Rick and others: Pro nuclear power 
> documentary
>  
> 
> 
>   
> On 08/04/2013 08:18 PM, Susan wrote:
> > I just saw Pandora's Promise, by Robert Stone, an environmentalist who has 
> > in the past been active in anti-nuclear energy protests.  He got convinced 
> > otherwise and has made this docu.  It features info and also interviews 
> > with several environmentalists who have educated themselves and changed 
> > their minds about nuclear energy.  Stuart Brand (Whole Earth catalogue) is 
> > one and so is Mark Lynas, who wrote the book Six Degrees in 2007.  I have 
> > mentioned that book here several times - terrific and accessible read about 
> > climate change.  Lynas was anti nuclear for years - and now changed his 
> > mind.  A worthwhile movie to see - and while I am not at all an expert on 
> > nuclear power, it made a really good case for the positives.  It also seems 
> > that there is a type of nuclear power (IFR) that produces waste that is 
> > recyclable by the nuclear plant itself. The safeguards on these are also 
> > incredible.
> >
> >
> 
> I grew up near the Hanford Nuclear Reservation which is now having a 
> terrible time with all the waste that facility generated. Nuclear energy 
> is NOT a very good idea.  And when you let profit hungry big 
> corporations run the show the problem gets worse.
> 
> Right now the problems facing this world are from one thing: too large a 
> human population.  This needs to be addressed humanly through one child 
> programs etc.  We could probably survive and enjoy life with a much 
> lower supply of electrical energy and still keep a lot of the technology 
> we have today.  The problem is the every man for himself atmosphere that 
> laissez faire capitalism promotes.  That keeps excessive consumption 
> alive just so some bunch can keep making money.  How insane!
>

And can you actually imagine western nations enforcing a one child policy? This 
is wishful thinking, even if a terrific solution.  On a long drive recently I 
listened to Dan Brown's new novel, Inferno. Not a very well written book. 
But..Plot spoiler alert from this point on:  The plot is about a scientist 
and others who feel that they must do something drastic to reduce earth's 
population or else we are going to be extinct due to damage to the planet.  Via 
terrorist means, they plan to introduce into the atmosphere a virus that 
renders about 1/3 of the people who breathe it infertile.  
In real life, there are apparently groups out there who are hoping for some 
event or epidemic or something to reduce our numbers and save us from ourselves.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators

[Richard J. Williams]

On 8/5/2013 11:33 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once
> enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate.
>
Well, the historical Buddha used to meditate even after
he had achieved enlightenment. SBS meditated every
day all his life.

That's because meditating is the intelligent thing to do.

Meditation is based on thinking, so there's hardly a
person on the planet that doesn't think. To meditate
means simply to  'think things over'.

And, almost everyone on the planet pauses once or
twice a day to take stock of their own mental contents.

And, we all transcending, all the time, even without a
technique!

Apparently you've bought into the story of 'TM' being
somehow different than just plain old thinking. I'm
sure this won't be lost on Barry. LoL!

Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM 
longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once 
enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate.


Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have 
the right of it?




*From:* Buck 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators



>
> On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > Whoah!!!
> >
> > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile 
perspective?"

> >
> > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe
> > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast
> > majority of the world has nothing to offer.
> >
> > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do 
TM.

> > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a
> > sidha or governor.
> >
> > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor
> > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be
> > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate.
> >

No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught. Even the 
enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons. Jim DA here has 
even said that in his discoursing on FFL. But really you should spend 
more time with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's 
discourses. The Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be 
easily read during the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on 
FFL of the non-meditators here and reading the Guru Dev discourses 
instead. That is lifetime very well spent. -Buck

http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/


> > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them
> > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no
> > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did
> > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for
> > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without
> > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep.
> >
> >
> > --
> > *From:* Buck
> > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


> > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
> > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


> > , Michael Jackson
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to
> > still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't 
do TM?

> > >
> > >
> >
> > Dear MJ;
> > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur
> > not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a
> > Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of
> > course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like 
Feste is

> > a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does
> > not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in 
learned

> > to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to
> > read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has
> > worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw
> > it away is tragedy beyond reason. I'm a practical guy, no
> > philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the time too, a 
sidha too.

> > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
> > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,
> > -Buck
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Buck
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


> > 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


> > , "f

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > So, if I intentionally post out before Friday, by say, one post,
> > does this mean I get no restrictive punishment (hand slapped from
> > posting privileges) after Friday? :)
> 
> No, that means you get to sit out the first week of unlimited 
> posting. >:(

An answer worthy of Solomon. 

And, just in case I forget to post it on Thursday,
here's a birthday greeting from Those Who Really 
Matter.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndJCsghkJCs

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
> > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
> > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
> > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
> > > we'll reinstate it.
> > 
> > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> 
> The Golden Self-Referral Computer Script Technology of 
> the Unified Field will remain in place for our blissful 
> enhancement of self-awareness and growth toward evolution 
> in tune with all the Laws of Nature.

And the Laws Of Nature thank you. 

Seriously, have a wonderful birthday and month off,
and try not to let it turn into one of those cop-
goes-as-far-away-from-the-town-he's-a-cop-in-to-
take-a-break-from-it-all-but-then-winds-up-in-the-
middle-of-a-mystery-and-having-to-solve-it-as-the-
guest-cop TV shows.  

No "busman's holiday" for you!  :-)  :-)  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[doctordumbass]

Yes, Sri Alex, Jai Gur...Hey! What's that bitter almond smell?! And that 
hissing sound???

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
> > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
> > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
> > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
> > > we'll reinstate it.
> > 
> > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> >
> 
> The Golden Self-Referral Computer Script Technology of the Unified Field will 
> remain in place for our blissful enhancement of self-awareness and growth 
> toward evolution in tune with all the Laws of Nature.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[doctordumbass]

You DEFINITELY have the wrong idea from my comment below - I WAS NOT suggesting 
*I* would be the one, chasing you around the desk, Barry. 

You caught the wrong scent that time...Barry, (points) Go To Rick, Rick, Yes, 
Go To Rick -> 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@  wrote:
> >
> > Nah - Why bother? Barry, as our FFL Administrative Assistant 
> > wannabee, can do it, though you WILL have to chase him around 
> > the desk a few times.
> 
> Sounds to me as if someone is really pissed that I 
> outed him as the high scorer in the FFL Ain't Got 
> No Self Control Contest.  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As a birthday present to Alex (his birthday is Thursday), 
> > > > we're going to waive the posting limit for a month, 
> > > > starting after Friday. It's a hassle for him to police 
> > > > it, and he'd like a break from it. If all goes well, we
> > > > may not return to it. If people abuse the privilege, 
> > > > we'll reinstate it.
> > > 
> > > Cool. Can you leave the Post Count program running,
> > > however, so everyone can see who IS abusing it?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex's Birthday Present - Posting Limit

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> So, if I intentionally post out before Friday, by say, one post,
> does this mean I get no restrictive punishment (hand slapped from
> posting privileges) after Friday? :)


No, that means you get to sit out the first week of unlimited posting. >:(