[FairfieldLife] Can't evalue TM without direct experience.
Various contributors have alleged that they are qualified to judge TM on its merits without having practiced it. One could no better accomplish this hopeless task than render an evaluation on chocolate cake without eating it. The fundamental reason for this is not the property of TM involving the no hard concentration, but instead allowing the mind to wander on it's own, someting that contrasts TM with a more fundamental type of traditional meditation; as well as close relatives to TM as found in Buddhist Traditions and Ananda Marga. Such a comparison of TM with other techniques would be incomplete if restricted to this property alone. The most important ingredient is the POWER in the mantra, something that can be evaluated and compared to other techniques only with direct initiation. My TM mantra definitely has power in it; but my initiation by one of the Ramakrishna monks at the Vedanta Temple in Hollywood (1976) provided a mantra with no discernable power in it. Likewise, various mantras chanted in Muktananda's group generated some power, but still inferior to TM (as well as his silent mantra technique based on Om Namah Shivaya.) Nope, not much power there...and I spent an appreciable amount of time in the presence of Swami Muktananda.. I've also been initiated by official representives of Guru Maharaji (1970), Kirpal Singh, Charan Singh, Thakur Singh, and Darshan Singh; (1974-1976). Nope, no power in those mantras. Also in 1970 I was initiated by a representative of the Eckankar founder, Paul Twitchell. No power in that mantra. So, fellow (you know who you are)there's NO substitute for direct experience!...So...before you say your Buddhist Guru's teachings are superior to TM, the only way you can assert this with any validity is to get initiated into TM and do the coke/pepsi test for yourself. Do this and report back on the results. Without such direct experience, your're a speculator, not a scientist, and your conclusions are half-baked hypotheses devoid of fact. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 32 marks of the Buddha
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from Wikipedia. (how does MMY compare?) 32 Marks of the Buddha 1. He places his foot evenly on the floor 2. The soles of his feet are imprinted with wheels 3. He has projecting heels 4. He has long fingers and toes 5. He has soft and tender hands and feet 6. He has webbed hands and feet 7. He has arched feet 8. He has legs like an antelope 9. When he stands upright his hands reach down to his knees 10. His male organ is covered with a sheath 11. His complexion has a golden sheen 12. His skin is so smooth that no dust clings to it 13. Each hair on his skin grows from a single pore 14. The hair on his skin is blue-black, curly and turns at the end to the right 15. His limbs are straight like those of a god 16. There are seven convex surfaces on his body - four behind his limbs, two behind his shoulders and one behind his trunk 17. His torso is like that of a lion 18. The furrow between his shoulders is absent 19. His body is perfectly proportioned - the span of his arms is the same as his height 20. His neck and shoulders are evenly proportioned 21. His taste is exceptionally sensitive 22. His jaws are like those of a lion's 23. He has forty teeth 24. His teeth are even 25. There are no gaps in his teeth 26. His teeth are white and shining 27. He has a long tongue 28. He has a divine voice 29. He has deep blue eyes 30. He has eyelashes like those of an ox 31. He has soft white hair growing between his eyebrows 32. His head is shaped like a turban the two, are excellently smooth [edit] --- End forwarded message --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dalai Lama photo gallery
--- I thought did quite well on the Barbara Walter's interview. He was so disarmingly compassionate that Barbara insisted on kissing him. http://www.dalailama.com/page.41.htm --- End forwarded message --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Chalanda Sai Ma pics - Colorado
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.humanityinunity.org/utility/showArticle/?objectID=601 --- End forwarded message --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Epic of Gilgamesh: origin of Noah's Ark story.
--- From Hurrian Hebrews; Ea as Yahweh by Forrest Reinhold , 2004, p. 72: Reinhold, referring to Ea (Enki, one of the Sumerian gods) says this regarding what amounts to as a wholesale repetition of the Noah's Ark story by the Genesis writer; who apparently had access to the Epic of Gilgamesh.: He [Ea - Enki] was the god of the flood as is Yahweh. Cf. the Gilgamesh epic: Ea ...tear down (this) house, build a ship! Give up possessions, seek thou life, forswear (worldly) goods and keep the soul alive!. aboard the ship thake thou the seed of all living things. The ship that thou shalt build, her dimensions hall be to beasure. Equal will be her width and her length. One (whole) acre was her floorspace, ten dozen cubits the height of each of her walls, ten dozen cubits each edge of the squre deck...I provided her with six decks, dividing her thus into seven parts...Six measures of bitumen I poured into the furnace, Bullocks I slaughtered for the people and I killed sheep every day. Whatever I had of all the living things I laded upon her. All my family and kin I made go aboard the ship, also the beasts of the field, the wild creatures of the field. A black cloud rose up from the horizon, the sotuh storm blew, gathering speed as it blew, submerging the mountains, overtaking the people like a battle. The olden days are alas turned to clay,. thundering...the destruction of my people. The sea grew quit, the tempest was still, the flood ceased. I opened a hatch and light fell on my face. In each of the 14 regions there emerged a mountain. On Mt. Niser the ship came to a halt. When the seventh day arrived, I sent forth and set free a dove. The dove went forth but came back; since no resting place for it was visible, she turned around. Then I sent forth and set free a raven. The raven went forth and, seeing that the waters had diminished, he eats, circles, caws, and turns not around. I poured out a libation on the top of the mountain, seven and seven cult- vessens I set up, upon their pot-stands I heaped cane, cedarwood, and myrtle. The gods smelled the savor, the gods smelled the sweet savor. --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Richard Dawkins, enemy of religious right.
--- --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UK biologist Dawkins says Believing in God is like believing in a teapot orbiting the moon... http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002086.html Some scientists say that removing religion or God from their life would leave it meaningless, that it's God that gives meaning to life. Unweaving the Rainbow specifically attacks the idea that a materialist, mechanist, naturalistic worldview makes life seem meaningless. Quite the contrary, the scientific worldview is a poetic worldview, it is almost a transcendental worldview. We are amazingly privileged to be born at all and to be granted a few decades -- before we die forever -- in which we can understand, appreciate and enjoy the universe. And those of us fortunate enough to be living today are even more privileged than those of earlier times. We have the benefit of those earlier centuries of scientific exploration. Through no talent of our own, we have the privilege of knowing far more than past centuries. Aristotle would be blown away by what any schoolchild could tell him today. That's the kind of privileged century in which we live. That's what gives my life meaning. And the fact that my life is finite, and that it's the only life I've got, makes me all the more eager to get up each morning and set about the business of understanding more about the world into which I am so privileged to have been born. --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Levitating Housewife.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], tanhlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from Wife, Mother, and Mystic, The Life of Blessed Anna Maria Taigi Tan Publishers, 1952. [lived in Rome, died in 1837.]. from p. 113, an account of levitation: It was a great effort for her to withdraw herself for one instant from the thought of God. She would be cleaning saucepans, and suddenly Our Lord was there. She hastened to avert her gaze, and then, being overcome, remained in ecstasy, saucepan in hand. Sopie [her Daughter] depicts her sweeping cobwebs and being suddenly levitated while the hairs of the broom turned on empty air. Sophie was cry, Mamma, where are you going? Up there there is no dirt. Her miraculous gift of supernatural vision, (p. 8-9): Her intellectual gifts were altogether overshadowed by an unexampled miracle. Shortly after she had entered on the way of perfection, there began to appear to her a golden globe which became as a sun of matchless light; in this all things were revealed to her. Past and future were to her an open book. She knew with certainty the fate of teh dead. Her gaze travelled to the ends of the earth and discovered there people on whom she had never set eyes, reading them to the depth of their souls. One glace sufficed; upon whatever she focused her thoughts it was revealed to her and her understanding. She saw the whole world as we see the front of a building. It was the same with nations as with individuals; she saw the cause of their distresses and the remedies that would heal them. On curing the sick, p. 10: She touched the sick, and they were cured; she warned others of their approaching end, and they died holy deaths. She endured great austeries for the souls in Purgatory, and the souls, once set free, came to thank her... --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The fallacy is that a *Me* can Gain Realization
--Below, you ask if I is the individual. Depends upon how you define it: a. the illusory I that is the core of misidentification, or b. the individual who remains after the ignorance of misidentification is gone, and who STILL may refer to herself as I in ordinary exchanges of conversation with people. The question then becomes, what is the nature of this (b) I...; is it/he/she simply saying something that has no reality? No. The I who remains has no substantial, i.e. in-itself reality separate from Brahman; but the ongoing error of Neo-Advaita is that there's no significance to the remaining I. As pointed out by several contributors, the I that/who remains also has several major components when misidentification vanishes. One of these components can be called the social I, and includes all manner of habitual behaviors in the due course of social interactions. There are several other categories of this I: (b), the bodily/mind I; in essence, this body/mind that remains (even though non- substantial) is a new I that exists in the world of nonduality. Say you lived on a planet where everybody was born enlightened. Would people go around saying nobody has an I. No. First, not having tasted the ignorance of misidentification, they would have no conception of what it is, none whatsoever. In the course of social intercourse, the notational I would be required, because on that planet, visitors may knock on your door asking if you are so and so. Naturally, you would reply Yes, I am. More specifically and directly, exactly what is this new I, apart from being a mere notation? It's a relative body/mind! Thus, to answer your question, an I exists after Enlightenment, yes, but it's not the same I as before which is based on the delusion of separateness. The new I is a holographic me, wholly inseparable from the Absolute continuum of pure Consciousness; but still composed of various relative components such as the capacity to interact socially, to perform actions with the mind, senses, and organs; and to engage in new types of perceptions, especially relating to the entire universe of existence that forms the holographic identity. The holographic aspect to the new I is important since holograms enfold the totality but each hologram differs from the others in having priorities of viewpoints. The things being seen have no inner core of an I' as a false identity, but they (the objects) are simply being seen. By what? The body and its senses. Thus, your Guru is misguided if he has fallen into the Neo-Advaita trap which claims that all types of an I vanish at Enlightenment. The Enlightenment I is a holographic I, nondifferent from the Absolute continuum but partaking of normal interactions by virtue of ongoing bodily impulses and the capacity to engage in entirely new, creative, and original enterprises. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt qntmpkt@ wrote: --The statement, ...then there only IS is an incomplete description of existence. Of course, any statement will never replace the reality of the situation A more complete statement would be IsAS: modifications of pure Conscious such as trees, the sky, the body; etc; and all of the components that STILL make up an individual, minus the false illusory I. The I is the individual, isn't it? Therefore, should the IRC come knocking on your door (after getting Enlightened), don't say, Sorry, can't pay since there's no Me. I have posted comments from the enlightened here so it helps to see how their day to day life is, and that this story book idea of special and superhuman belongs more to ego than Reaization
[FairfieldLife] People with superpowers
http://www.tinyurl.com/24965v REAL SUPERHUMANS THE QUEST FOR THE FUTURE FANTASTIC - In this special two-hour presentation, The Real Superhumans and the Quest for the Future Fantastic, witness the amazing stories of real people with extraordinary super powers. But just who are these super humans? In Switzerland, meet a woman who combines senses so that she can taste music; in Turkey, a painter compared with Renaissance master Brunelleschi, who has been blind since birth; in Germany, a man discovered one day that he can perform complex calculations in his mind; and in the Netherlands, a man who possesses the inexplicable power to withstand extreme cold -- but how? These super powers seemingly transcend what it means to be human, how we use our natural senses and our physical limitations.
[FairfieldLife] Is Andrew Cohen a dangerous cult leader?
http://www.whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/ As the years passed I spoke to many other former students who confirmed these stories, elaborated upon them, and told me many more. I learned of students having large contributions psychologically extorted from them. I heard how a student was required to sign a gag order agreement prohibiting him from publicly criticizing Andrew as a condition of having his contribution returned. I was told the story of community women prostrating in a freezing cold lake in the winter, some suffering dangerous exposure, as a symbol of their devotion and repentance for women's conditioning. I learned of a student being forced—against his will and his moral compunction—to engage in daily visits to prostitutes in Amsterdam for weeks on end as a kind of penance for past sexual indiscretions. I was told by a student how he was ordered to reveal to his estranged teenage daughter her mother's infidelity that occurred many years in the past, in order to teach the daughter not to hold her mother, now a critical former student, in such high esteem. I heard these stories and many, many more. As the weight of the awful truth about what Andrew and his community had become accumulated, I began to feel that something must finally be said. People must be warned. At the very least, any prospective student should know what they are signing themselves up for when they join Andrew Cohen's community.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My experience with the awakened Kundalini
---Thanks, much appreciated! The first part of your discussion (below) pertains to free will vs determinism, Dharmic behavior vs adharmic; and such matters. Definite conclusions in these topics are speculative; whereas the topics following that are a matter of your own direct experience; i.e. experiential reports. OTOH basing philosophical conclusions on heresay statements such as I and My Father are One are in the nature of speculative hypotheses. Short of definitive answers regarding topics such as free will and dharma; we are left with commonsense conclusions regarding the behavior of Gurus: if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, etc...it must be a duck. Similarly, the behavior of Gurus can be evaluated objectively without resort extraneous, unprovable philosophical assumptions. I don't know Swami G. But if he jaywalks, a cop should give him a ticket. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly, I am not sure where it came from but I was even inquireing with Swami G in the begining. Somehow I was under this impression that the enlightened can not say it and if they do, then for sure, they are not. The response to that was nonsense, didn't Christ Say 'I and the Father are One, and I am told Budda said things also. Swami G said, what is , is. So, I am telling it like it is when I put this title to the post. I guess many people can also claim things like enlightenment or awakened Kundalini, when it is not the case. Note I am not being a parakeet when I tell you that my experience is it is moving me faster to enlightenment. Let me put it this way, I feel this very stronly. It is giving experience of the things I hear are the signs of what enlightenment is. I reported in using the term everything is falling away before i noticed it to be a common term used because this is something many in my path are experiencing. Any opinion that disagrees with what I just said is like one telling me that I am wrong about the ice cream tasting sweet. Anyway, I also confirm the blessing that it is by direct experience. so this is the result of the Kundalini Path for me- and i responsibly emphasized that it is not about chasing phenomina or trying to force it open or being under the care of one that took 200 hours of yoga class or a reiki master with some weeks of training. I have said the guide should be enlightened, having gone the whole journey from start to finish. This last paragraph is passing on info as well from my Guru. Now, I only told you what happened with me, and it was a venture into the unknown by entering the path. That is how it is, so addressing Alex, when you said your point, ok, your choice. I dont know how your experiences would be, maybe similar, maybe entirely different. Swami G said mostly the ones with the hell are the ones where it opened spontaneously and there is no guidance in place- they run to dr's and they have no clue what is taking place. There are at least 4 people in the coming months that will be taking diksha ( initiation). This is not a common event. since I took Diksha in may, 2006, there have been maybe 10, some of them did not tell the truth and did not keep in touch as they agreed. swami G cautions that this is not a momentary blessing. One of the commitments is to keep in touch at least once a month, and to do the practices as given. She says it is better not to take diksha if you are not going to honor those commitments because you will not get any lasting benefit. People ignore that, take diksha , then fall off the path rather quickly and they have lost their chance,- that is how Swami G puts it. All of the different stuff being offered here on FFL, it looks like the Universe is offering choices.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Permit required for reincarnation
--Right. Some of the components of what made a body/mind in an incarnation of those components, reasserts themselves along with unfinished karma in a future embodiment. Along with those impulses is a faint memory stored in some subtle dimension. The persona next embodied having those living components, groks: that was a previous incarnation - as in Adi Da says that his deeper personality vehicle was the combined package of both Ramakrishna and Vivekananda; which is rather farfetched but OTOH some leftover impulses of Vivekananda seem to match Adi Da's present incarnation. Vivekananda hinted that he would reincarnate in the West. Adi Da claims to have become Enlightened while at the Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood, CA in 1970 (where I used to meditate frequently). At any rate, I side with the Buddhist perspective and therefore agree with the statements below; except of course for the commie meddling in spiritual affairs. The Chinese should stick to what they're doing best: polluting shrimps with PCB's and manufacturing lead based paints to poison children with toxic toys. . BTW, Richard/willtex - still waiting for the MMY audios from Rishikesh. Can't wait to hear them. Thanks. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Falling bridges be damned. Reincarnation be damned. The historical Buddha didn't teach reincarnation. In order to reincarnate, there must be an individual soul-monad to reincarnate. Get some smarts and try reading a little Buddhist history. The Buddha taught Causation - one thing leads to another. According to Marshy, Tibetan Buddhism is 'far fetched'. China tells Tibet's living Buddhas to apply for reincarnation
[FairfieldLife] Re: If I were Jerry Jarvis . . .
---Dissatisfied with TM? No problem. Access http://www.arunachala.org and buy some of the audios and the DVD Sage of Arunachala. Get the Veda Parayana audio tape. Very powerful - has the Rudram. Play the audios once in a while and you'll get all the benefits you need to make it to 2017 (date I'm predicting for the end of civilization as we know it: 90% of the earth's population wiped out by a metereorite). In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: wonderful insight and sharing of your journey. Hope that the rest of the journey falls on you soon. The biggest part of the journey is to admit , acknowledge and then take action., Looks like steps 1 and 2 are done. Looks like step three (action) is in your post. Congrats on a job well done. Tom Edg: Thanks, Tom, and everyone else too for encouraging me. I may not meditate, now, but I may start again -- if anything, it gets me quieter and from there maybe I can do Advaita's self inquiry with less distractions -- something like that, but without a Holy Tradition behind it, creating my own mix of techniques is going to take a bit more clarity than I have now, methinks, if such a program is to be successful in the ways I would like -- namely: improvement of my mind's contents in terms of the kinds of POV's I CHOOSE to assume. CHOOSE means I sometimes have enough arm's length from a POV to have side thoughts that advise me that my POV is, as all of them are, parochial and untrue from most other POVs, and thus, I am identifying with point values only, not unboundedness, but nonetheless, even with my side thoughts, there I am indulging in the POV of the moment as if it's hot off the ritam grill. I have come to so dislike this suckering into belief by my nervous system as it effortlessly captures my identity. Small choice in rotten apples, but there I am slurping even the goo at the bottom of the barrel. Slurping means having fun like a hog -- face immersed into the slop, inner eye closed, grunting with delight. Nice while it lasts, but it sucks when it ends. Oh, I believe most of the SCI axioms. I teach them today to my grandchildren. And, I believe TM gets one to that gap between ego and the Absolute, and that's a good thing, but for me to think that that practice of hanging out with the subtleties will quickly, effortlessly, spontaneously change my noisy surface personality for the better would be for me to deny all my experiences. I remember when someone told me that Charlie Lutes had said that the 5 - 8 year promise was bogus for most of us and that it would take at least several lifetimes. Man, I hated Charlie for that -- yet now, it seems to be one of the few things he ever said that was true. Now, when I think, hey, only a few lifetimes and I'll make it all the way, I say, Well, I'll just be like India. India? Yeah, when Maharishi was asked why India, with all its saints and pure knowledge, was so fucked up, he said, India has been so pure for so long, India can take some time off. Something like that. He giggled as he said it. So I'm taking some time off. Just gliding on my supposed past merits. When I see how little in my life has been deep instead of my normal surface-shit-house-rat-panic-thinking, I get depressed and why bother is a strong dynamic in my response. 29 years and what did I get? Don't ask me. I can pretend I have a wider ken, a bigger compassion, a stronger resolve, whatever, and it may all be true, but that and a nickle gets me a ride on the Staten Island Ferry in 1963. Today, I'm thinking NOTHING gets me happy -- can't fool me with this when I have a hunger for I AM THAT. I'm smarter than most folks, but there's millions smarter and more passionate about ANYTHING than I am, and they're as miserable as me. So fuck the intellect for a tool for happiness. And, there's folks out there with hearts the size of watermelons who can't get two friends to stop fighting, so who can invest merely in being loving? And on and on, no qualities of the relative personality can guarantee anything -- one gets what one has got coming. I'm quite a wonderful person, by most standards, but remember that Shakespeare ended the what a piece of work is man soliloquy with Why it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapors. And with what karma I got, hey, the TMO won't be making me the poster boy for TM. I feel like a bad little boy who crawled up on my father's lap so that when Dad finds out about the broken window, he won't be able to get all his weight behind the first swat on my ass. I cannot gainsay what's happened to me -- it is very clear that my personality needs the kind of shit I've endured to get its act together. Karma is yagya, right? It's all good. Oh, yeah, my life would be much better if I just shitcanned the depression, rolled up my
[FairfieldLife] Enlightened Sentencing Project
One of Jerry's favorite projects: http://www.tesp.org
[FairfieldLife] Re: If I were Jerry Jarvis . . .
---Thanks - on what basis am I predicting a meteorite strike in 2017 that will wipe out 90% of the world's human population? Ans. For 20 years from 1975 to 1995 I worked with a person similar to the Ghost 'Whisperer who can communicate with the dead. After working with her a while initially and realizing that she could travel out of her body at will, I commissioned her to perform numerous projects in the inner (non-physical) planes for 20 years. [sorry - can't reveal more details regarding the nature of the work at this time]. Once, she told me she astral projected spontaneously into the year 2017 and found virtually nobody left on the planet. Her impressions were of a metereorite strike. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tanhlnx Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: If I were Jerry Jarvis . . . ---Dissatisfied with TM? No problem. Access HYPERLINK http://www.arunachala.orghttp://www.arunachala.org and buy some of the audios and the DVD Sage of Arunachala. Get the Veda Parayana audio tape. Very powerful - has the Rudram. Play the audios once in a while and you'll get all the benefits you need to make it to 2017 (date I'm predicting for the end of civilization as we know it: 90% of the earth's population wiped out by a metereorite). On what basis are you predicting this? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/940 - Release Date: 8/6/2007 4:53 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can dead Gurus kick ass?
--Vaj, you're attempting to divert attention from the real by creating strawmen and bringing up practically unattainable goals. For one thing, Gurus who have attained a Rainbow Light Body are exceedingly rare, and I challenge you to bring up instances in which they regularly appear in people's dreams. OTOH, countless people have experienced the Shakti of MMY, SBS, and Ramana Maharshi. True, SBS and RM didn't attain Rainbow Light bodies, but we accept the benefits given to us, in whatever form is most appropriate for time and circumstance. Fine, if you want to restrict your devotion to Rainbow Gurus, you may have to wait a long time. It's highly unlikely your own Guru Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche will acquire one. He will rot in the grave like the others. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 16, 2007, at 7:36 PM, matrixmonitor wrote: -bdlow: Vaj says Ramana is dead and the neo-Advaitins have created a type of pseudo-religion. Vaj, for once, I agree with most of your statements; and in corroboration, I will offer up a profound statement of Adi Da: Dead Gurus don't kick ass. (an interesting twist on the elder Bush's famous statement). The real question, though, is...: is the statement TRUE? Depends on the guru and the style of realization they had. Most advaitin realizers will transfer to one of the Brahma-lokas on death of the physical body. The downside of course: they're still in samsara, just a much nicer place than kali-yuga Earth. Even if they happen to make it farther into Arupadhatu, or the formless world, they're still on the wheel. Do these type of beings visit dreamers on Earth? This is the question we need to honestly ask ourselves. No. Don't have time to go into this in detail, except to say that I've had two extremely powerful inner plane experiences with Ramana; and in support of an opposing viewpoint, much circumstantial evidence points to his being MORE powerful being dead than prior to his physical death in 1950. Of course, that depends on whether or not your dream image of Ramana IS Ramana in some dream guise or whether or not it is a karmic fabrication of Ramana from your own karmic traces: a karmic dream vs. a real dream of clarity. Did you know anything of Ramana before he appeared in your dream? It all boils down to whether or not we have the spiritual maturity to discriminate between a karmic dream fabricated from our own traces or from an actual samadhic dream. And of course if it appeared in a dream and was something we liked, we naturally want to assume it is something real (Ramana visitng us). But *was* it? For example, in the tape Sage of Arunachala, the very last few frames, people are shown leaving Sri Ramanasramam in 1950 after he died. Then the narrator continues by saying that after a brief period had elapsed, people realized that his Presence was not only undiminished, but rather, He (and associated murtis like the Arunachala Hill and the Temple); became MORE powerful with time. The growing numbers of Neo-Advaitins tend to magnify his power, even though only a few of them are still devoted to Ramana. To conclude, Ramana is FAR more powerful than most living Gurus, say Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche. Also, Guru Dev (SBS) still lives every time a puja is done. His Shakti is probably far more powerful now than in 1957. Is it guru Dev (or Ramana) or is it merely the morphogenetic field, the standing wave left behind? And what is the difference? In general the only types of realizers that you are likely to have authentic contact with are Light Body realizers IMO. In such a case, all you have to ask is did they leave a carcass behind? If the answer is yes, then you might want to consider what it is that was in your dream. .02 USD
[FairfieldLife] Re: A different explanation of stress release
--No need to separate out one body from another. It's a package deal. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 28, 2007, at 11:50 AM, cardemaister wrote: On May 25, 2007, at 9:23 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: This just verifies what I've stated here numerous times, that the TM myth of physical stress release from the physical nervous system was fallacious. Where stress is being released is in the pranic body or vajra body. It is the pranic body that evolves. I don't understand the inconsistency between MMY's position, your's, and Muktananda's. Whether it's the pranic body or vajra body (although I'm not sure what vajra body is), isn't that still on the relative level? Whether it's actual physical body or subtle, the stress (or karma) is still stored there and has to be released. Karma is what tradition would state, not stress. Actually, stress in MMY's lingo refers to samskaras, The word saMskaara is actually almost the same as Sanskrit in, well, Sanskrit -- which is saMskRta. That word, saM-s-kRta, consists of the perfect participle of the root kR (to do, etc), with the prefix sam (together, etc.), and a transition consonant, or perhaps, as per Whitney, an original consonant that's lost from most other forms of the root kR, which would thus have been originally *skR (in linguistics asterix is used to indicate hypothetical word forms). The word saMskaara differs from saMskRta in that the second part is a noun, kaara, from the same root kR. If this is indeed what he's referring to, then please quote a source showing the equivalency in MMB's own words. If indeed it is, and I suspect you may be right, the mediator is indeed the pranic body and it's karmic eddies not the physical nervous system (as oft advertised in TMO tracts). There may indeed be a physical component in the nervous system, e.g. glia with an extremely short time span unmeasurable by current medical imaging technology or some short biological half-life fast neurotransmitters, but currently there is no tangible evidence to definitely arrive at such a conclusion.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is enlig
---Why do you want to know? FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sinhlnx sinhlnx@ wrote: --Your question...what's the future Stop being a Neo-Advaitin nit-picker. The answer to this question can be found in various philosophical texts widely available, some written by physicists. But why not stop there? What is existence??? I exist. What is the future?
[FairfieldLife] Re: we have responded 2 much lets just not respond to Vaj.Ignore all is missives
--Even if this forum were composed exclusively of those supporting TM, there still would be vast differences of opinion on the other stuff of importance: whom or what to be devoted to, for example. TM is only a technique. Who is the focal point of your attention, if anybody.?? Thus, the plus is also importanti.e. TM plus. Who is the plus in your life? I opt for Ramana Maharshi. Buy The Sage of Arunachala DVD and play it every day for 30 days. You will definitely notice a deepening of your meditations. Available from http://www.arunachala.org - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 1, 2007, at 7:28 PM, geezerfreak wrote: Hey Rick! Been traveling like a maniac and haven't been checking in to FFL much. But things are mellowing out ya know Same here on FF Life, Geez. As you can see, there's absolutely no arguing or insulting going on at all. Mellow as can be. :) Sal Hiya Sal. Who can argue when there's so damn much bliss? Yeah, it's enough to make you downright sick. And those that do I'm sure it's just some temporary roughness of awareness. Hopefully they'll get over it soon so we can get back to our regularly-scheduled insult-fests. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sullivan replies to Sam Harris
---Vaj, you're not making sense. Regardless of the purpose, yidam (god) worship is all the same, call it what you want; but much of Tibetan Buddhism is similar to the god-worship of the Hindus. Even the iconography is similar, say Mahakali vs the same Mahakali in Hinduism; Ganesh worship in both religions. There are countless Hindus who regard these gods as wisdom-enhancing focal points; just as in your erronous rendition of Buddhism. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 22, 2007, at 8:57 PM, coshlnx wrote: Actually, Harris is critical of god worship only in the context of faith-based religious assumptions; and states that (something like this) is OK in his world-view: When I meditate on Jesus, I feel an ecstatic Spiritual epiphany, and therefore you should try it. That's an experiential type of statement that can be tested to a certain extent; since other people can follow up on the recommendation and try it for themselves. And of course, such an experiential approach similar to this might be compatible with Buddha-dharma, albeit with a number of caveats. But the idea of no-god-worship doesn't even make sense in the context of Buddhism since Tibetan Buddhism In regards to Tibetan (or other types of Buddhism) this is a false View. (apart from some Gurus like Vaj's Chogyal Norbu Rinpoche); is heavily involved with god-worship; i.e. the Tibetan Buddhist counterpart of the gods: yidams or whatever. There's Chenrizig, the Green Tara, the White Tara, MahaKali, numerous Dharma protectors, etc. But if these are worshipped as gods, then it isn't really Buddha- dharma, sorry. Now if they are used for Wisdom-consciousness realizing emptiness, that's a different story. But a yogin worshipping a god or gods or goddesses is not part of the ethic of a mantra Bodhisattva. Even in the outer tantras (e.g. kriya-tantra) where this may appear to be the case, that is certainly not the intention nor is it the correct View of the practitioner.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why TM'rs are WRONG about democracy (was: Are you with us, or against us?)
---re: Jim says then go hang out with the Dalai Lama. Thanks, but I'm no longer in need of physical Gurus. I will now use this opportunity (separate topic), to quote the first 3 verses on Hsuan Hsua's commentary on the Great Compassion Mantra of Quan Yin: 1. With a kind, compassionate regard, a regard full of joy and giving, He rescues all beings, transforming great-thousand world systems. Gathering in those with and without prior affinities, He helps them to end suffering, find joy, and return to the source. 2. Our body, mouth and mind form a wheel that is this mighty dharani. As the many-petaled lotus blossom just begins to open, White, green, red, and purple light shines on us all. Disciples of the Buddha have affinities to join the sages? Celebrations. 3. Holding a bowl, Contemplating Sounds saves us mortals; Prescribing medicine to cure our ills, he nurtures the three thousand worlds. Bowing in homage, we earnestly entreat him to answer our calls. In various ways he fulfills all our heart's desires. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote: ---Virtually all Gurus grovel for money. However, The Dalai Lama may not secretly store it away like some others. Also, the Dalai Lama makes himself rather accessible - mingling with scientists, reporters; and at least fielding questions from various outsiders. reporters. He appeared on CNN appealing for people to be compassionate after Katrina. MMY OTOH only surrounds himself with sycophants. what's the problem? go follow the Dalai Lama around then.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nisargadatta quote
---Thanks, I believe I read those 3 books, while standing in the local New Age bookstore for 20 min. I've seen books that taut certain Gurus with having supernatural knowledge of past, present, and future. Sai Baba claims to be one of these Omniscient Gurus; but invariably, (to dream up a saying akin to P.T.Barnum's): one can predict the future some of the time, but nobody can predict the future all of the time. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mathatbrahman mathatbrahman@ wrote: ---You mean the question of free will. The jury's out on this question, which we (and philosophers going back thousands of years), have gone over before. Choice may or may not really exist; but in any event, our lack of knowledge concerning the future, and karmic interactions in general, serve us a plate of alternative apparent choices, and there's currently no proof as to the nature of the realness. I realize that some Gurus - like Ramana Maharshi - say there's no free will; but why should his statement be believed; especially in view of the statements regarding karma: that karma is unfathomable - even for Sages?. Ramana is a Sage but this doesn't make him an expert in karma. Sages like Maharishi and Ramana Maharshi will have different colours in their expression of reality. That is life. Try reading Robert Svobodas third book on his Guru Vimalananda and you will find a fellow with very detailed knowledge of Karma indeed. Every word in that book is like; if Maharishi would write a book on Karma, this is what He would say. Very entertaining, knowledeable, sweet and humerous. There are no experts in karma, and there's no proof or even evidence for Ramana's assertion, other than the appeal to authority.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inside Pundit Info
---Thanks for the inside info on the Tibetans! Here's my Tibetan Guru, Lama Wangdu Rinpoche. Somehow, I don't feel he's the type to carry on with sexual abuse...(I've met Sogyal Rinpoche and Kalu Rinpoche. This news about them is surprising). Lama Wangdu: http://www.lamawangdu.org/photos.html In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Careful now Mr. Flanegin; you could end up with both the CIA and funny looking Tibetans at your door ! How will I tell the difference? ;-)
