Raunch
Don't look any further! You might have to shoulder the burden of
knowing Sal's mantra if you read the reply.
So don't do it! You'll become the lap dog of demons.
.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroup
On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Bob Price wrote:
Sal, we always miss you when you are away!
Aw, thanks Bob! I say we take up a collection for
anyone willing to pull off something like that.
Sal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > One of the pitfalls, or one of the most important aspects of the
> > difference between TM and what you think is proper?
>
> Name and form: namarupa.
>
But different states of the nervo
Yep, though even that may be misleading since "becoming familiar with" has
different implications for different people.
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
[...]
> > Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie o
Hi Bhairitu. What is the JyotishList all about?
Cheers
Bill
From: Bhairitu
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
On 07/14/2011 10:43 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.
gt;
> From: richardjwilliamstexas willytex@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:04 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
>
>
> Â
>
>
> emptybill:
> > All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita
Sal, we always miss you when you are away!
From: Sal Sunshine
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:49:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 16, 2011, at 11:38 PM, raunchydog wrote
On Jul 16, 2011, at 11:38 PM, raunchydog wrote:
> Checking doesn't mean checking the mantra. The purpose of checking is to give
> the right *experience* of meditation, which is effortless meditation. Other
> than point 23E, the only time an initiator explicitly checks the
> pronunciation of a m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
> > >
> > > That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
> > > Apparently he can't keep his so
As a (mere) checker I certainly had no access to anyone's mantras, let alone
their correct pronunciation, at any rate! :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "empty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
> >
> > That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
> > Apparently he can't keep his sources separate.
> >
> > Still got a doubt that he never learned any of it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
>
> That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
> Apparently he can't keep his sources separate.
>
> Still got a doubt that he never learned any of it?
Not moi. That's been clear for some time.
> No wonder he won't give
Who did you learn shaktipat from? The reason I ask is I did learn it
from my tantra guru and it is very definitely a transference of energy.
Something I think most people who have learned and performed would agree
with.
On 07/15/2011 08:00 PM, emptybill wrote:
> Only in my younger days.
>
>
>
>
That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
Apparently he can't keep his sources separate.
Still got a doubt that he never learned any of it?
No wonder he won't give out the basic names of
his initiator and his course(s).
But I am impressed.
Apparently Namkhai Norbu's webinars no
I've got trantra on the brain. I read that last comment as "predickalicktion"
and I'm like: wha?
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
> > >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
> >
> > one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are
> > creating a lot of doubt and confusion in some people
> > reading this which is what happened to you when you
Hmmm.
How about:
Be brave and gossip with death.
Just whisper "Please don't annihilate me."
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> > It's just too easy to forget that we are French kissing the Grim
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
>
> one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are creating a lot of doubt
> and confusion in some people reading this which is what happened to you when
> you saw TM mantras written, it just shouldn't happen.
Bingo !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > One POV worth considering is that since TM does not
> > generally oppose the mantra changing in sound or quality
> > or speed, etc., ones mantra could change and they would
> > not re
Is there copyright by the TMO on the checking notes
or anything else that has been discussed relating to mantras
and the way they are used? Just wondering.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
>
> I'm not sure whether native speakers of English perceive
> the vowels in pairs like 'fill'-'feel' or 'shit'-'sheat'
> different vowels altogether. I think been asking it before
> but can't remember what the answer was - if any.
Most d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
>
> one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are creating a lot of doubt
> and confusion in some people reading this which is what happened to you when
> you saw TM mantras written, it just shouldn't happen.
>
Maybe you're righ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote:
>
> It's just too easy to forget that we are French kissing the Grim
> Reaper with every breath.
You get my award for the most gloom 'n doom wrap-ups Empty.
I've only just learned to cope with "read it and weep" - now this?
Whatever next?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote:
>
> I'm not sure whether native speakers of English perceive
> the vowels in pairs like 'fill'-'feel' or 'shit'-'sheat'
> different vowels altogether. I think been asking it before
> but can't remember what the answer was - if any.
In Du
I'm not sure whether native speakers of English perceive
the vowels in pairs like 'fill'-'feel' or 'shit'-'sheat' different vowels
altogether. I think been asking it before but can't remember
what the answer was - if any.
Because Finnish has only so called "pure" vowels as does Sanskrit,
except
one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are creating a lot of doubt
and confusion in some people reading this which is what happened to you when
you saw TM mantras written, it just shouldn't happen.
>
> Â
> official TM teacher guide to tell to students.
> The main principle during Tr
Only in my younger days.
I concluded that people deserve something better than that. I found them
wanting to attribute more Reality to me than I really could claim. It
was an easy way to attribute too much to "divine power or God's
grace" because someone had a (temporary) connection to the ocea
Bill,
You might note the following:
Verbal pronunciation and "muttered" pronunciation is what passes as
mantra for most hindoo-s and Tibetans. That is why they call it japa
(repetition). Not all of them do it this way however.
TM is decidedly not like that but is based upon the four (4) l
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>
> I wasn't talking about the knowledge but how Indians love to argue.
> They really went at it on one forum over the ng and m endings. And
just
> wander over to the JyotishList on Yahoo. There is often a brawl going
> on there. ;-)
>
S
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
> The TM instructions explicit advise NOT trying to think or pronounce
the mantra clearly: âMental repetition is not a clear
pronunciation; just a faint idea.â
>
Just out of curiosity, how is your recall of the puja, the checking
note
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Exactly Rick. Which is not what some mantra works suggest. That is what I
> think is interesting. If these mantras are the 'sonic representations' of the
> deity, one would think they should be spoken, or thought inside, clea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of William Parkinson
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:48 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Hi Rob. What I found interesting in the pronunciation was simply this: books
> on mantra meditation that I have state very emphatically that the mantra must
> be pronounced absolutely clearly and correctly. I assume because the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" wrote:
>
> SHIP OF THESEUS from Wiki:
> According to Greek legend as reported by Plutarch,
>
> The ship wherein Theseus and the youth of Athens returned [from Crete] had
> thirty oars, and was preserved by the Athenians down even to the time of
> D
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of William Parkinson
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:22 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
>
>
>
>
>
> Exactly Rick.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:22 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Exactly Rick. Which is not what some mantra works
On 07/14/2011 07:53 PM, emptybill wrote:
> This could be a duplicate Yahoo post or maybe not.
> Sorry but no troth with Yahoo.
>
>
> Bill,
>
>
>
> Contrary to what you might read, "Shakti" does not mean
> "energy", as in electricity, but rather "power".
>
Empty, have you ever given shaktipat?
On 07/14/2011 10:43 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>> You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years
>> different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should
> have
>> use the "ng" ending or the "m" ending. They have s
our TM way of not
thinking it but faintly? What did MMY think of these mantras? Are they
symbolic, or merely tools to allow us to go inside?
Cheers
Bill
From: Rick Archer
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce t
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:48 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Hi Rob. What I found interesting in the
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >
> &
e two questions. Thank you again!
Cheers
Bill
From: richardjwilliamstexas
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
William Parkinson:
> Shiva is the static consciousness that pervades all
> things, w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
> > >
> > > Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me.
>
the shakti tradition?
In short, would both men consider themselves, and Shankara, as shaktas?
Cheers
Bill
From: emptybill
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
This could be a duplicate Yahoo post or
On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
One of the pitfalls, or one of the most important aspects of the
difference between TM and what you think is proper?
Name and form: namarupa.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years
> different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should
have
> use the "ng" ending or the "m" ending. They have slightly different
> effects as far as "resona
William Parkinson:
> Shiva is the static consciousness that pervades all
> things, while shakti represents (envisioned in
> feminine form) the dynamic form of consciousness...
>
The answer lies in the relationship of the Sri Vidya
tradition and Kashmere Saivism. In the Shankaracharya
traditio
This could be a duplicate Yahoo post or maybe not.
Sorry but no troth with Yahoo.
Bill,
Contrary to what you might read, "Shakti" does not mean
"energy", as in electricity, but rather "power".
Shakti (power) carries none of our modern connotations of a strictly
mechanistic force but rather po
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> I was taught and still have my receipt. Goodness!! IÂ ask as a curiosity. Is
> it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in a collegial fashion?
Well, saying mantras out loud or writing them down (or deliberately s
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Yifu wrote:
>
> > below..."vault of the mouth". Nope - as stated or implied by others; those
> > people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't
> > have a clue about TM and probab
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
> > >
> > > �
> > > I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I
> > > was taught. Those of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be
> > learned from the realization that attempting to remember a specific
> > pronunciation from 38 years ago is often e
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
> >
> > Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was to
goddesses were
simply a manifestation of shakti. Is that not correct?
Cheers
Bill
From: richardjwilliamstexas
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
emptybill:
> All modern Western scholars
emptybill:
> All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita
> firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the
> author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari.
>
Maybe so, but as TMers we are not concerned with what
most Western scholars think about Shankara.
It is a fact that all
fascinating,
even if it is sometimes confusing to me!
Cheers
Bill
From: jpgillam
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill, the information you cite differs from what
I learned on my TM teacher
e. It certainly has the ring of truth!
Cheers
Bill
From: emptybill
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill
Yours is a natural question for anyone trying to understand what a meditation
mantra actual
right here and now about its
impact on sleep. But thank you for your concern, I appreciate it.
Cheers
Bill
From: nablusoss1008
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroup
Bill, the information you cite differs from what
I learned on my TM teacher training course.
I suggest you have this conversation with your
TM teacher. You've seen what a runaround you
get here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Â
> I found this webpage and
my receipt. Goodness!! IÂ ask as a
curiosity. Is it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in
a collegial fashion?
> Cheers
> BillÂ
>
> From: Yifu yifuxero@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:34 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Thank you for your concern Nab. Now does anyone have anything constructive to
> say?
> Cheers
> Bill
Only glad to help :-) But if you disregard my constructive advice I can say
with certaincy that you will travel further in
I was taught and still have my receipt. Goodness!! I ask as a curiosity. Is it
not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in a collegial fashion?
Cheers
Bill
From: Yifu
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to
ubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill,
Many thanks for your posts. Have you studied much about the early Christian
church (probably a silly question), say the crucifixion to AD 337? We had an
excellent series of exchanges started before Robin retired and I would enjoy a
fe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
One thing William could consider is visiting a saint like Amma and ask for
your "full" mantra. You could also be initiated into your yantra if you so
desired.
Yes, that's a brilliant advice from Vaj; since he already is confused why not
get
Thank you for your concern Nab. Now does anyone have anything constructive to
say?
Cheers
Bill
From: sparaig
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Â
> I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
> taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Yifu wrote:
> below..."vault of the mouth". Nope - as stated or implied by others; those
> people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't
> have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it.
Then they don't understand namaru
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote:
> Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be learned
> from the realization that attempting to remember a specific pronunciation
> from 38 years ago is often extremely difficult?
If you knew basic Sanskrit pronunciation (ve
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sparaig wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson
> wrote:
> >
> > Â
> > I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I
> > was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For
> > example, hearim
below..."vault of the mouth". Nope - as stated or implied by others; those
people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't
have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it.
http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/739.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Â
> I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
> taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
> hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this list
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
> >
> > Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me.
> > But what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity
> > Cheers
> > BillÂ
dLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:50:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Â
> I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
> taught.
Troll:http://www.janbrett.com/mobile_troll.htm
(Ha!...Gotcha...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
> >
> > Â
> > I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I
> > was taugh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me. But
> what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity
> Cheers
> BillÂ
> PS- My training was, after all, 11 years ago!!
Stop this nonsense.
Either
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Â
> I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
> taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
> hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this lis
William Parkinson:
> I found this webpage and it has a different way to
> pronounce the mantra I was taught...
>
"Though disputed by somemost in the Shankaracharya
tradition practice samaya sri vidya and accept that he
wrote several tantric texts including Saundaryalahari,
etc, etc." -
: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Â
> I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
> taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson wrote:
>
> Â
> I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
> taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
> hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is this lis
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