On Jul 17, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Bob Price wrote:
Sal, we always miss you when you are away!
Aw, thanks Bob! I say we take up a collection for
anyone willing to pull off something like that.
Sal
Raunch
Don't look any further! You might have to shoulder the burden of
knowing Sal's mantra if you read the reply.
So don't do it! You'll become the lap dog of demons.
.
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emptybill:
All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita
firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the
author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari.
Maybe
Hi Bhairitu. What is the JyotishList all about?
Cheers
Bill
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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
On 07/14/2011 10:43 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote
Yep, though even that may be misleading since becoming familiar with has
different implications for different people.
L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
[...]
Oh wait, TM is effortless...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
One of the pitfalls, or one of the most important aspects of the
difference between TM and what you think is proper?
Name and form: namarupa.
But different states of the
Sal, we always miss you when you are away!
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Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:49:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
On Jul 16, 2011, at 11:38 PM
I'm not sure whether native speakers of English perceive
the vowels in pairs like 'fill'-'feel' or 'shit'-'sheat' different vowels
altogether. I think been asking it before but can't remember
what the answer was - if any.
Because Finnish has only so called pure vowels as does Sanskrit,
except
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
I'm not sure whether native speakers of English perceive
the vowels in pairs like 'fill'-'feel' or 'shit'-'sheat'
different vowels altogether. I think been asking it before
but can't remember what the answer was - if
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
It's just too easy to forget that we are French kissing the Grim
Reaper with every breath.
You get my award for the most gloom 'n doom wrap-ups Empty.
I've only just learned to cope with read it and weep - now this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote:
one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are creating a lot of doubt
and confusion in some people reading this which is what happened to you when
you saw TM mantras written, it just shouldn't happen.
Maybe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
I'm not sure whether native speakers of English perceive
the vowels in pairs like 'fill'-'feel' or 'shit'-'sheat'
different vowels altogether. I think been asking it before
but can't remember what the answer was - if any.
Is there copyright by the TMO on the checking notes
or anything else that has been discussed relating to mantras
and the way they are used? Just wondering.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
One POV worth considering is that since TM does not
generally oppose the mantra changing in sound or quality
or speed, etc., ones mantra could change and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote:
one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are creating a lot of doubt
and confusion in some people reading this which is what happened to you when
you saw TM mantras written, it just shouldn't happen.
Bingo !
Hmmm.
How about:
Be brave and gossip with death.
Just whisper Please don't annihilate me.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
It's just too easy to forget that we are French kissing the Grim
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote:
one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are
creating a lot of doubt and confusion in some people
reading this which is what happened to you
I've got trantra on the brain. I read that last comment as predickalicktion
and I'm like: wha?
L.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69
That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
Apparently he can't keep his sources separate.
Still got a doubt that he never learned any of it?
No wonder he won't give out the basic names of
his initiator and his course(s).
But I am impressed.
Apparently Namkhai Norbu's webinars
Who did you learn shaktipat from? The reason I ask is I did learn it
from my tantra guru and it is very definitely a transference of energy.
Something I think most people who have learned and performed would agree
with.
On 07/15/2011 08:00 PM, emptybill wrote:
Only in my younger days.
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
Apparently he can't keep his sources separate.
Still got a doubt that he never learned any of it?
Not moi. That's been clear for some time.
No wonder he won't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
Apparently he can't keep his sources separate.
Still got a doubt that he never learned any
As a (mere) checker I certainly had no access to anyone's mantras, let alone
their correct pronunciation, at any rate! :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
That what it says in the checking notes of D.J. Wahl Ghoul.
Apparently he can't keep
On Jul 16, 2011, at 11:38 PM, raunchydog wrote:
Checking doesn't mean checking the mantra. The purpose of checking is to give
the right *experience* of meditation, which is effortless meditation. Other
than point 23E, the only time an initiator explicitly checks the
pronunciation of a
On Jul 14, 2011, at 9:50 PM, sparaig wrote:
One of the pitfalls, or one of the most important aspects of the
difference between TM and what you think is proper?
Name and form: namarupa.
the shakti tradition?
In short, would both men consider themselves, and Shankara, as shaktas?
Cheers
Bill
From: emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:53 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
This could
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote:
Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was
questions. Thank you again!
Cheers
Bill
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
William Parkinson:
Shiva is the static consciousness that pervades all
things
babajii...@yahoo.com
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:48 AM
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Hi Rob. What I found interesting
to pronounce the mantras
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Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:48 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Hi Rob. What I found interesting
On 07/14/2011 10:43 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote:
You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years
different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should
have
use the ng ending or the m ending. They have
On 07/14/2011 07:53 PM, emptybill wrote:
This could be a duplicate Yahoo post or maybe not.
Sorry but no troth with Yahoo.
Bill,
Contrary to what you might read, Shakti does not mean
energy, as in electricity, but rather power.
Empty, have you ever given shaktipat?
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Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:22 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Exactly Rick. Which is not what some mantra works
[mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 1:22 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Exactly Rick. Which is not what some mantra works suggest. That is what I
think is interesting
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
SHIP OF THESEUS from Wiki:
According to Greek legend as reported by Plutarch,
The ship wherein Theseus and the youth of Athens returned [from Crete] had
thirty oars, and was preserved by the Athenians down even to the time of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Hi Rob. What I found interesting in the pronunciation was simply this: books
on mantra meditation that I have state very emphatically that the mantra must
be pronounced absolutely clearly and correctly. I assume
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William Parkinson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:48 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Exactly Rick. Which is not what some mantra works suggest. That is what I
think is interesting. If these mantras are the 'sonic representations' of the
deity, one would think they should be spoken, or thought
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
The TM instructions explicit advise NOT trying to think or pronounce
the mantra clearly: âMental repetition is not a clear
pronunciation; just a faint idea.â
Just out of curiosity, how is your recall of the puja, the checking
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
I wasn't talking about the knowledge but how Indians love to argue.
They really went at it on one forum over the ng and m endings. And
just
wander over to the JyotishList on Yahoo. There is often a brawl going
on there.
Bill,
You might note the following:
Verbal pronunciation and muttered pronunciation is what passes as
mantra for most hindoo-s and Tibetans. That is why they call it japa
(repetition). Not all of them do it this way however.
TM is decidedly not like that but is based upon the four (4)
Only in my younger days.
I concluded that people deserve something better than that. I found them
wanting to attribute more Reality to me than I really could claim. It
was an easy way to attribute too much to divine power or God's
grace because someone had a (temporary) connection to the ocean
one reason why you dont discuss the mantra is you are creating a lot of doubt
and confusion in some people reading this which is what happened to you when
you saw TM mantras written, it just shouldn't happen.
Â
official TM teacher guide to tell to students.
The main principle during
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Â
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her').Â
, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Â
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct
William Parkinson:
I found this webpage and it has a different way to
pronounce the mantra I was taught...
Though disputed by somemost in the Shankaracharya
tradition practice samaya sri vidya and accept that he
wrote several tantric texts including Saundaryalahari,
etc, etc. -
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Â
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her').Â
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me. But
what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity
Cheers
BillÂ
PS- My training was, after all, 11 years ago!!
Stop this nonsense.
Troll:http://www.janbrett.com/mobile_troll.htm
(Ha!...Gotcha...)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote:
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I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I
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I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote:
Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told to me.
But what is here is different. Excuse my curiosity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Â
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For example,
hearim (as in 'hear') instead of herim (as in 'her'). Is
below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those
people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't
have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it.
http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/739.html
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On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@...
wrote:
Â
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I
was taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct? For
example,
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote:
Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be learned
from the realization that attempting to remember a specific pronunciation
from 38 years ago is often extremely difficult?
If you knew basic Sanskrit pronunciation (very
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Yifu wrote:
below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those
people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't
have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it.
Then they don't understand namarupa,
1:08 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Â
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I was
taught. Those of you who were teachers, is this way correct
Thank you for your concern Nab. Now does anyone have anything constructive to
say?
Cheers
Bill
From: sparaig lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
--- In FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
One thing William could consider is visiting a saint like Amma and ask for
your full mantra. You could also be initiated into your yantra if you so
desired.
Yes, that's a brilliant advice from Vaj; since he already is confused
, July 14, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill,
Many thanks for your posts. Have you studied much about the early Christian
church (probably a silly question), say the crucifixion to AD 337? We had an
excellent series of exchanges started before
] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those
people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't
have a clue about TM and probably were not initiated into it.
http://skeletonart.com/Detailed/739.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Thank you for your concern Nab. Now does anyone have anything constructive to
say?
Cheers
Bill
Only glad to help :-) But if you disregard my constructive advice I can say
with certaincy that you will travel
. Goodness!! IÂ ask as a
curiosity. Is it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in
a collegial fashion?
Cheers
BillÂ
From: Yifu yifuxero@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Â
Bill, the information you cite differs from what
I learned on my TM teacher training course.
I suggest you have this conversation with your
TM teacher. You've seen what a runaround you
get here.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
Â
I found this
here and now about its
impact on sleep. But thank you for your concern, I appreciate it.
Cheers
Bill
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
. It certainly has the ring of truth!
Cheers
Bill
From: emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill
Yours is a natural question for anyone trying to understand what a meditation
fascinating,
even if it is sometimes confusing to me!
Cheers
Bill
From: jpgillam jpgil...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 2:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
Bill, the information you cite differs from what
I learned
emptybill:
All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita
firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the
author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari.
Maybe so, but as TMers we are not concerned with what
most Western scholars think about Shankara.
It is a fact that all
goddesses were
simply a manifestation of shakti. Is that not correct?
Cheers
Bill
From: richardjwilliamstexas willy...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How to pronounce the mantras
emptybill:
All modern Western
1:21 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote:
Nab, I do know how to pronounce my mantra, at least as it was told
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:21 PM, sparaig wrote:
Oh wait, TM is effortless... Did MMY lie or is there something to be
learned from the realization that attempting to remember a specific
pronunciation from 38 years ago is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:08 PM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@ wrote:
�
I found this webpage and it has a different way to pronounce the mantra I
was taught.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 14, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Yifu wrote:
below...vault of the mouth. Nope - as stated or implied by others; those
people excessively concerned about authentic pronunciation apparently don't
have a clue about TM and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William Parkinson ameradian2@... wrote:
I was taught and still have my receipt. Goodness!! IÂ ask as a curiosity. Is
it not possible to discuss these issues rationally and in a collegial fashion?
Well, saying mantras out loud or writing them down (or
This could be a duplicate Yahoo post or maybe not.
Sorry but no troth with Yahoo.
Bill,
Contrary to what you might read, Shakti does not mean
energy, as in electricity, but rather power.
Shakti (power) carries none of our modern connotations of a strictly
mechanistic force but rather points
William Parkinson:
Shiva is the static consciousness that pervades all
things, while shakti represents (envisioned in
feminine form) the dynamic form of consciousness...
The answer lies in the relationship of the Sri Vidya
tradition and Kashmere Saivism. In the Shankaracharya
tradition,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:
You have opened a whole can of worms here. I've watched for years
different tantra school argue over whether the beej mantras should
have
use the ng ending or the m ending. They have slightly different
effects as far as
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