RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : From: mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. On 11/17/2014 2:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Excuse me, but isn't that what the TMO did with *you* when they took away your dome badge? Just for the record, the only informants on FFL that have been kicked out of the dome by the TMO are Rick, Michael, and Barry - for going over and blabbing to other Saints, Yogis and Fakirs and revealing the TM mantras outside the TM teaching environment. I never revealed TM mantras. I doubt Barry has ever even seen the dome, much less been in it. I doubt that he’s revealed any mantras either.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
IN addition, I was not kicked out of the Dome, I kicked myself out of it and as
a result was kicked out of MIU by Willy Sand Man. The TM mantras were revealed
by many teachers over a long period of time. Bravo for the TM teachers who did
so.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:50 AM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others +
Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others +
Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :
From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ...
Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual
energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to
extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from
an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who
got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely
entertaining such negativity altogether in the group.
On 11/17/2014 2:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Excuse me, but isn't that what the TMO did with *you* when they took away your
dome badge?
Just for the record, the only informants on FFL that have been kicked out of
the dome by the TMO are Rick, Michael, and Barry - for going over and
blabbing to other Saints, Yogis and Fakirs and revealing the TM mantras outside
the TM teaching environment. I never revealed TM mantras. I doubt Barry has
ever even seen the dome, much less been in it. I doubt that he’s revealed any
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : IN addition, I was not kicked out of the Dome, I kicked myself out of it and as a result was kicked out of MIU by Willy Sand Man. The TM mantras were revealed by many teachers over a long period of time. Bravo for the TM teachers who did so. Oh bravo shmavo. The TM teachers who revealed the mantras accomplished exactly what? In what way have they improved the world, lessened the suffering of anyone or put food on the table of the starving? How has revealing TM mantras done dick-all to further the evolution of the planet in a way that creates greater happiness for anyone other than your vendetta-driven self? Seriously MJ, you'd be better off baking cakes and making something beautiful out of flour, eggs and butter. Stop wasting your time obsessing on these people and this Movement that no longer has to be a part of your life. I'd like to put in an order for a sacher torte please. Now THAT would be worthwhile baking. Those suckers are fucking delicious.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... Organizationally it wouldmight even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpointas to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend thisteaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity froman element organization; could be created by simply removingcomplainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility ofwidely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Excuse me, but isn't that what the TMO did with *you* when they took away your dome badge?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Ha ha ha ha! Good point Turq!
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others +
Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
... Organizationally it wouldmight even be communally better from a spiritual
energetic standpointas to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to
extend thisteaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity
froman element organization; could be created by simply removingcomplainant who
got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility ofwidely
entertaining such negativity altogether in the group.
Excuse me, but isn't that what the TMO did with *you* when they took away your
dome badge?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
*From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *... Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. * On 11/17/2014 2:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Excuse me, but isn't that what the TMO did with *you* when they took away your dome badge?/* /Just for the record, the only informants on FFL that have been kicked out of the dome by the TMO are Rick, Michael, and Barry - for going over and blabbing to other Saints, Yogis and Fakirs and revealing the TM mantras outside the TM teaching environment./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
On 11/17/2014 6:34 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Ha ha ha ha! Good point Turq! /Yes, it was a good point, but TurqB forgot to include the fact you got kicked out by the TMO, not for being a negative complainer, but because you failed to do your job on the food service staff setting out the tables.// So, in fact you are the only informant that we know of that actually got kicked out of the dome and their pod and told to pack bags and get on a bus back home to SC./ *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2014 3:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *... Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. * */Excuse me, but isn't that what the TMO did with *you* when they took away your dome badge?/*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Beautiful, Fleetwood. About a month ago I started thinking about what I call sustainable spirituality. What's wonderful is that I don't have to do anything to sustain it (-: From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Persistence - One's identity associates with what lasts the longest. When pure awareness, not awareness of anything, but awareness of the source of everything, a current of deep silence, accompanies everything, while the 'everything' continuously changes, the identity shifts, after awhile, to that persistent pure awareness. We are no longer what we previously thought lasted the longest; job, family, thoughts, beliefs, or even physical life. We identify with pure awareness. We are pure awareness. This greatly eliminates the question of what is. It simply is. Pure awareness is the persistent reality. This being the case, there is no longer such a strong identification of what is mine, such an edifice built of 'me'. If there is not much me, how can there, then, be a strong not me? The idea, even the sense, of subjective vs. objective, no longer makes complete sense. However, even on the basis of all of this silence, my personality continues along, trying not to get me into too much trouble, though ever serving my Infinite curiosity. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jim, when you say objectively, can you elaborate on that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak noevil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side oflife, IMHO. If you entertain evil,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ... Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. On 11/17/2014 2:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Excuse me, but isn't that what the TMO did with *you* when they took away your dome badge? Just for the record, the only informants on FFL that have been kicked out of the dome by the TMO are Rick, Michael, and Barry - for going over and blabbing to other Saints, Yogis and Fakirs and revealing the TM mantras outside the TM teaching environment. I was kicked out for listening to a guy called Robin.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/16/2014 1:08 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Barry is mistaken: Curtis has made no Enlightened Man claims and he does not have a history of doing this on FFL or A.M.T. In fact, Barry has a long history of making enlightenment claims: Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. Barry is sounding very paranoid. When he posts a public profile photo of his face on Facebook and sends out friend invites, it's not considered stalking if anyone accesses his page to see what his face looks like. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. The only thing one needs to remember about Barry Wright, to put him into perspective, is that after all this time claiming enlightenment experiences, (nineteen years), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his subjective experiences. They have continued ever since, from the time I walked away from TM until the present, lasting anywhere from hours to days to weeks to months. - TurquoiseB What's pathetic is that after all this time Barry cannot produce even a single person who believes that Fred Lenz slowly lifted up off of a sofa at Denny's in downtown L.A. You are correct, Mr Lenz, the dog killer and tormentor never lifted off a single thing in his life. The man was a psychotic uber narcissist who didn't deserve one minute of fame but deserves a whole shwack of infamy.
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...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people
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Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? -Buck # # fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Yep, well said. There is nothing better to do; nothing more challenging, and nothing more rewarding. Jai Guru Dev, Buck. Really a Salient point, Fleet. Evolving gradients of transformational field effect in reality. Is one thing (CC) as for your self and then to another level ascending towards spiritual trans-formative effect in well-being on others whence Being rises to being saintly in field effect. Is a wonderfully human spiritual sociology and worthy to aspire towards in a lifetime. JaiGuruDev, -Buck fleetwood_macncheese wrote : Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Yes, it is the stress, speaking. The ironic thing is, only TM can reach deeply enough, and impersonally enough, to untwist such stresses. The other thing to be aware of, is what may lie beneath the whipping boy of TM or Maharishi? Oftentimes, the ego will choose a target, an enemy, and hinges a lot of convenient stories to that, as a distraction from what is going on in real life, or to avoid dealing with memories that contradict one's egocentric view of oneself. So what we hear, through these endlessly redundant and negative stories, are the cries of frustration, from the souls trapped by them. Only by effortlessly contacting Being, and transcending, to eventually establish oneself in Being, in silence, in bliss, can these stresses be resolved. Even then, the naturally inertial (tamasic) aspect of physical existence, makes it easy for stresses to lodge in the physiology, during an active and creative life, even for an enlightened person, and so TM (2x20) continues. “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more
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Jim, when you say objectively, can you elaborate on that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's
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The 1980 Pledge. Things in TM did seem to change from about then to become a lot about some theocratic sense of fealty and a lot less as to merit and performance. Is noteworthy that the Saha Nav hymn was extracted up to become a normative organizational code of conduct as an oath then. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Culture: Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. Such that within the culture of TM the TM negativity policy like with the TM Saha Nav Hymn for instance, if someone commits a larceny within an element of the organization then by the teachings it would be entertaining negativity to administratively examine that action in another person or within such element of an organization by others. Or let us say hypothetically that someone commits some abusive harassment within an organizational element using some position of power over someone it would be committing a negativity to raise or consider that situation for the negativity that it should engage. Organizationally it would might even be communally better from a spiritual energetic standpoint as to negativity than having to denounce anyone thence to extend this teaching and hence better to remove the complaining negativity from an element organization; could be created by simply removing complainant who got exploited, packing their bags, and thus alleviate the possibility of widely entertaining such negativity altogether in the group. Never do we entertain negativity and never do we denounce anyone. Hamstrung? -Buck # # “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi (in 1964) actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of
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On 11/16/2014 9:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote: ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. /At one point in the conversation, I thought we had reached a peak in the display of Barry cognitive dissonance, but I was mistaken: On the other hand, I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point of view./ - TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they arehis experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. /* */ /* */The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. /* *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with
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Persistence - One's identity associates with what lasts the longest. When pure awareness, not awareness of anything, but awareness of the source of everything, a current of deep silence, accompanies everything, while the 'everything' continuously changes, the identity shifts, after awhile, to that persistent pure awareness. We are no longer what we previously thought lasted the longest; job, family, thoughts, beliefs, or even physical life. We identify with pure awareness. We are pure awareness. This greatly eliminates the question of what is. It simply is. Pure awareness is the persistent reality. This being the case, there is no longer such a strong identification of what is mine, such an edifice built of 'me'. If there is not much me, how can there, then, be a strong not me? The idea, even the sense, of subjective vs. objective, no longer makes complete sense. However, even on the basis of all of this silence, my personality continues along, trying not to get me into too much trouble, though ever serving my Infinite curiosity. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jim, when you say objectively, can you elaborate on that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't
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Great. Thank you for the reply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Persistence - One's identity associates with what lasts the longest. When pure awareness, not awareness of anything, but awareness of the source of everything, a current of deep silence, accompanies everything, while the 'everything' continuously changes, the identity shifts, after awhile, to that persistent pure awareness. We are no longer what we previously thought lasted the longest; job, family, thoughts, beliefs, or even physical life. We identify with pure awareness. We are pure awareness. This greatly eliminates the question of what is. It simply is. Pure awareness is the persistent reality. This being the case, there is no longer such a strong identification of what is mine, such an edifice built of 'me'. If there is not much me, how can there, then, be a strong not me? The idea, even the sense, of subjective vs. objective, no longer makes complete sense. However, even on the basis of all of this silence, my personality continues along, trying not to get me into too much trouble, though ever serving my Infinite curiosity. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Jim, when you say objectively, can you elaborate on that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : ...a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine - LOL - yes, he is quite the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and objectively. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Again, what am I missing? A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences. And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their own subjective experiences. So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool. But they are his experiences. So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them? That would be a major infraction of the Barry Doctrine Barry, we are following the game plan. It's all good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I
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The Turq's is hallucinating about people stalking him. Probably makes him feel special. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I have ever seen on discussion group: He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he sent them an invite. Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message challenging us to a debate. We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary subjective, enlightenment experiences. You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience. For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, bupkis. He got the T-shirt but he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one - Uncle Tantra - when he wrote his own wisdom book. After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit beat out him for ten years by The Corrector. We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from his friends. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this
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On 11/15/2014 7:09 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: The Turq's is hallucinating about people stalking him. Probably makes him feel special. /Maybe Turq really believes people on Facebook are stalking him - if so, his friends list on Facebook might be his enemies list. Go figure. This paranoid condition is probably due to being kicked out of his cult and then being battered by The Corrector for so long. The question is, after all these years can he be helped? The unstressing is so profound with this guy and the rejection was apparently so painful, that he can't to this day even talk about it. It's almost like he is writing a confession, when you understand what he doesn't say about his subjective experiences tells us more than what he does say./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I have ever seen on discussion group: * /He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he sent them an invite. / * /Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message challenging us to a debate./ * /We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary subjective, enlightenment experiences./ You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience. For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, /bupkis. /He got the T-shirt but he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one - /Uncle Tantra/ - when he wrote his own wisdom book. After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit beat out him for ten years by /The Corrector./ We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from his friends. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I have ever seen on discussion group: He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he sent them an invite. Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message challenging us to a debate. We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary subjective, enlightenment experiences. You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience. For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, bupkis. He got the T-shirt but he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one - Uncle Tantra - when he wrote his own wisdom book. After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit beat out him for ten years by The Corrector. We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from his friends. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are
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I will chalk it up to Dharma, but thanks anyway. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I will chalk it up to Dharma, but thanks anyway. :-) Thank God there is still a touch of sanity here at FFL. I just keep waiting for something interesting to happen but the days keep rolling by and Steve and Richard are doing all the heavy lifting. But you, in one small graphic, pretty much take the cake. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
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BTW, Buck, because you seem to be trying to position yourself as THE expert on who exactly is entertaining negativity and who is not, can I ask you for a final ruling on something? OK, here's the scenario:-- There's this Internet forum, on which people exchange ideas.-- There's a poster on this forum whose ideas seem to make some of the other posters angry. -- The angry posters have chosen to vent their anger by writing posts badmouthing the person whose ideas make them angry. -- Some of these angry posters have been doing this for YEARS, directing dozens of these venomous putdown posts at the person they're angry at every month.-- The angry posters never seem to be able to address any of the actual *ideas* that have made them so angry; instead they just try to smear the person who wrote them personally. -- The poster they've been stalking, having noticed the trends, some time ago wrote off the angry posters and developed macros that automatically move anything they wrote directly to a Trash folder. He did this so that not only would he never have to respond to their venom, he wouldn't even have to read it in the first place. -- Faced with this development, the angry posters have been stalking him even more than they did before. Now, for the Expert Buck ruling:-- Since you seem to be the self-appointed expert on entertaining negativity, which of the people in this scenario do you think are the ones guilty of it, and thus damnable in your view?-- Is it the person who doesn't even READ the posts made by the people stalking him, or the people who can't stop reading his presumably negative posts, and can't stop stalking him? Please give us your ruling soon, so the Laws Of Nature will know which of these people to send the drones to kill. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well,really there is a much larger communal discussion going on here aboutdealing with negativity. As such I am not going to entertain yourparticular negativity around this any further. For to go any furthermight well necessitate having to denounce you in addition to dredgingyour negativity further... I'm not sure about the hierarchy of all of this, Buck. Is denouncing me worse than sending drones to kill me, which you advocated not long ago? Curious minds want to know. Anyway, I sure am glad to hear there was no anger involved with that. and I feel that should not be spirituallyuseful for either of us right now, according to the teaching. Instead I shall sit in yoga with your energetic resolution of youranger issues. Iwish you well, -Buck turquoiseb wrote Son,... How old are you, Buck? I'll bet I'm older than you are. ...as a transcendentalist I well know the reality of my inner experiencewith this and for that I am quite a satisfied customer of thetranscending meditation experience. I have no problem with this, and am in fact happy for you that your inner experience has been good for you. What I object to is your assumption that YOUR inner experience means diddleysquat to anyone else or is good for them. Or even that it should. I know and can certainly trust in the clarity of thatreality by the science of my experience, thank you for asking. That reality isn't one. It's only your inner experience. YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE IS NOT REALITY. IT'S ONLY YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE. Get it? I amnot going to get down in to your mud to wrestle with you point bypoint about George Bush, life is too short for that. However there is in deeda discerning and practical spiritual aspect of caution to whatMaharishi is getting at with his negativity talk around spiritualpractice. I find it wise to take that to heart. Jai Guru Dev,-Buck Sorry, but I can't take to heart the possibility that anyone who still tries to end rants by invoking the thoughtstopper Jai Guru Dev could possibly be wise. turquoiseb wrote : Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and atworst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? Soevidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is thatif one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on thesubtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle.Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in thesystem spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some wouldcall a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtlesystem. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck DearFFL, Culturallythis particular
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Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matt 10:16 King James
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Watching the film of this show now. Wonderful, for those who haven't seen it. Performed live onstage in London, July 2014, with all surviving Pythons performing. Thus the subtitle, One Down, Five To Go. The first performance sold out in 45 minutes. Fortunately, there were 10 performances in total, and the last was filmed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvTnWpQpFIs Monty Python Live (Mostly) - Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life | | | | | | | | | | | Monty Python Live (Mostly) - Always Look On The Bright ... | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matt 10:16 King James
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should we see no evil? And what if after 15 years studying Maharishi's teaching and experiencing his programs I came to the conclusion that there are faults in his assumptions about what these states of mind mean. What if I sincerely believed that my experience in the group was a valuable insight about the teaching from the perspective of an insider. What if I felt that my POV was as valuable as anyone else's who promote Maharishi's teaching. Am I being evil for expressing my opinion on an open forum? WGM4U: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matt 10:16 King James C: I like poetry as much as the next literature fan. But in a world of wolves, sheep and doves get eaten. I would rather be a human who knows all about the habits of wolves so I can steer clear of them or if necessary, deal with them. Sheep and doves are both dumb as rocks. They are terrible metaphors for how people should live in the world. But hey, I appreciate your extending the conversation, I really do. We don't agree about this it seems, or at least are seeing it in completely different ways. If your way suits you, more power to you. I am just grateful for an opportunity to write about how I feel about it and for that, I thank you.
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right on, the 'bright side', not the 'dark' side! Don't go to the negative side of life, MMY/paraphrased
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I think this clip sums up both our views perfectly: Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - Monty Python's Life of Brian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - Monty Python... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ Subscribe to the Official Monty Python Channel here - http://smarturl.it/SubscribeToPython Always Look on the Bright Side of Life, taken from Life of Br... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : right on, the 'bright side', not the 'dark' side! Don't go to the negative side of life, MMY/paraphrased
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Richard, Perhaps you can help me with this. Or possibly Barry. (-: According to Barry, Maharishi is just a con man, with no experiences, no enlightenment. Never had it, never will. And yet Barry is saying that he had experiences while on various courses, attributable to, I presume his practice of TM. And those experiences, we are told, have continued in an intermittent fashion to this very day. So, the only take away I can draw from this, is that Barry is more enlightened, has more genuine experiences of higher consciousness than Maharishi. And of course, this goes double for MIchael, who has checked off every box for experiences of higher states of consciousness. Now, we have heard from MIchael, in a lengthy dissertation of why those experiences were false, nada, bumpkis, attributable to strictly the power of suggestion. But Barry seems to give credence to the genuineness of those experiences, even if he says he pays them no mind. I'm starting to get really confused here. Help me Rhonda! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I have ever seen on discussion group: He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he sent them an invite. Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message challenging us to a debate. We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary subjective, enlightenment experiences. You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience. For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, bupkis. He got the T-shirt but he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one - Uncle Tantra - when he wrote his own wisdom book. After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit beat out him for ten years by The Corrector. We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from his friends. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964
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Jesus F'n Christ, For a moment I thought you acknowledge that you play some role in the toxic exchanges that often take place here. Fortunately, you didn't. That, would have been a game changer, fersure! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : BTW, Buck, because you seem to be trying to position yourself as THE expert on who exactly is entertaining negativity and who is not, can I ask you for a final ruling on something? OK, here's the scenario: -- There's this Internet forum, on which people exchange ideas. -- There's a poster on this forum whose ideas seem to make some of the other posters angry. -- The angry posters have chosen to vent their anger by writing posts badmouthing the person whose ideas make them angry. -- Some of these angry posters have been doing this for YEARS, directing dozens of these venomous putdown posts at the person they're angry at every month. -- The angry posters never seem to be able to address any of the actual *ideas* that have made them so angry; instead they just try to smear the person who wrote them personally. -- The poster they've been stalking, having noticed the trends, some time ago wrote off the angry posters and developed macros that automatically move anything they wrote directly to a Trash folder. He did this so that not only would he never have to respond to their venom, he wouldn't even have to read it in the first place. -- Faced with this development, the angry posters have been stalking him even more than they did before. Now, for the Expert Buck ruling: -- Since you seem to be the self-appointed expert on entertaining negativity, which of the people in this scenario do you think are the ones guilty of it, and thus damnable in your view? -- Is it the person who doesn't even READ the posts made by the people stalking him, or the people who can't stop reading his presumably negative posts, and can't stop stalking him? Please give us your ruling soon, so the Laws Of Nature will know which of these people to send the drones to kill. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Well, really there is a much larger communal discussion going on here about dealing with negativity. As such I am not going to entertain your particular negativity around this any further. For to go any further might well necessitate having to denounce you in addition to dredging your negativity further... I'm not sure about the hierarchy of all of this, Buck. Is denouncing me worse than sending drones to kill me, which you advocated not long ago? Curious minds want to know. Anyway, I sure am glad to hear there was no anger involved with that. and I feel that should not be spiritually useful for either of us right now, according to the teaching. Instead I shall sit in yoga with your energetic resolution of your anger issues. I wish you well, -Buck turquoiseb wroteSon,... How old are you, Buck? I'll bet I'm older than you are. ...as a transcendentalist I well know the reality of my inner experience with this and for that I am quite a satisfied customer of the transcending meditation experience. I have no problem with this, and am in fact happy for you that your inner experience has been good for you. What I object to is your assumption that YOUR inner experience means diddleysquat to anyone else or is good for them. Or even that it should. I know and can certainly trust in the clarity of that reality by the science of my experience, thank you for asking. That reality isn't one. It's only your inner experience. YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE IS NOT REALITY. IT'S ONLY YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE. Get it? I am not going to get down in to your mud to wrestle with you point by point about George Bush, life is too short for that. However there is in deed a discerning and practical spiritual aspect of caution to what Maharishi is getting at with his negativity talk around spiritual practice. I find it wise to take that to heart. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck Sorry, but I can't take to heart the possibility that anyone who still tries to end rants by invoking the thoughtstopper Jai Guru Dev could possibly be wise. turquoiseb wrote : Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity
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I think it's just a double standard, aka, blind spot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The Turq's is hallucinating about people stalking him. Probably makes him feel special. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I have ever seen on discussion group: He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he sent them an invite. Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message challenging us to a debate. We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary subjective, enlightenment experiences. You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience. For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, bupkis. He got the T-shirt but he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one - Uncle Tantra - when he wrote his own wisdom book. After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit beat out him for ten years by The Corrector. We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from his friends. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non
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Hey Curtis, I know this is a bit of sensitive topic, but ya know, it does make a difference when disagreeing with someone, to end as you did, as opposed to referring to someone as a gullible idiot. And no, I don't think it does anything to put a (-: after gullible idiot or similar term. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should we see no evil? And what if after 15 years studying Maharishi's teaching and experiencing his programs I came to the conclusion that there are faults in his assumptions about what these states of mind mean. What if I sincerely believed that my experience in the group was a valuable insight about the teaching from the perspective of an insider. What if I felt that my POV was as valuable as anyone else's who promote Maharishi's teaching. Am I being evil for expressing my opinion on an open forum? WGM4U: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matt 10:16 King James C: I like poetry as much as the next literature fan. But in a world of wolves, sheep and doves get eaten. I would rather be a human who knows all about the habits of wolves so I can steer clear of them or if necessary, deal with them. Sheep and doves are both dumb as rocks. They are terrible metaphors for how people should live in the world. But hey, I appreciate your extending the conversation, I really do. We don't agree about this it seems, or at least are seeing it in completely different ways. If your way suits you, more power to you. I am just grateful for an opportunity to write about how I feel about it and
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hey Curtis, I know this is a bit of sensitive topic, but ya know, it does make a difference when disagreeing with someone, to end as you did, as opposed to referring to someone as a gullible idiot. And no, I don't think it does anything to put a (-: after gullible idiot or similar term. C: Hey Steve, It really isn't a sensitive topic for me since I don't use the term, gullible idiot with or without the emoticon. If I had to guess it would be that anyone using that term is less interested in an interaction or discussion with the person than I am. I like to ride my discussions closer to the line of where exactly I am disagreeing with someone and where we are drawing our lines. It takes rapport and some time, so I make sure that I make a meta comment on valuing the discussion, if I actually do. It is honest for me. For others, maybe not so much. I don't expect or usually get the same in return around here, except with you and a few others. Anything you want to chat about? I would welcome some Steve time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should we see no evil? And what if after 15 years studying Maharishi's teaching and experiencing his programs I came to the conclusion that there are faults in his assumptions about what these states of mind mean. What if I sincerely believed that my experience in the group was a valuable insight about the teaching from the perspective of an insider. What if I felt that my POV was as valuable as anyone else's who promote Maharishi's teaching. Am I being evil for expressing my
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thanks for the invite Curtis. I'm just finally chillin a little from a busy week. nothing really on my mind. I know we had that piece earlier about the brain picking up data before it seems we consciously act on it, and the implications of that for free will vs. determinism. And it was then pointed out, that this might only be for trivial matters. right now, my brain just needs a rest. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hey Curtis, I know this is a bit of sensitive topic, but ya know, it does make a difference when disagreeing with someone, to end as you did, as opposed to referring to someone as a gullible idiot. And no, I don't think it does anything to put a (-: after gullible idiot or similar term. C: Hey Steve, It really isn't a sensitive topic for me since I don't use the term, gullible idiot with or without the emoticon. If I had to guess it would be that anyone using that term is less interested in an interaction or discussion with the person than I am. I like to ride my discussions closer to the line of where exactly I am disagreeing with someone and where we are drawing our lines. It takes rapport and some time, so I make sure that I make a meta comment on valuing the discussion, if I actually do. It is honest for me. For others, maybe not so much. I don't expect or usually get the same in return around here, except with you and a few others. Anything you want to chat about? I would welcome some Steve time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should
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What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should we see no evil? And what if after 15 years studying Maharishi's teaching and experiencing his programs I came to the conclusion that there are faults in his assumptions about what these states of mind mean. What if I sincerely believed that my experience in the group was a valuable insight about the teaching from the perspective of an insider. What if I felt that my POV was as valuable as anyone else's who promote Maharishi's teaching. Am I being evil for expressing my opinion on an open forum? WGM4U: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matt 10:16 King James C: I like poetry as much as the next literature fan. But in a world of wolves, sheep and doves get eaten. I would rather be a human who knows all about the habits of wolves so I can steer clear of them or if necessary, deal with them. Sheep and doves are both dumb as rocks. They are terrible metaphors for how people should live in the world. But hey, I appreciate your extending the
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Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should we see no evil? And what if after 15 years studying Maharishi's teaching and experiencing his programs I came to the conclusion that there are faults in his assumptions about what these states of mind mean. What if I sincerely believed that my experience in the group was a valuable insight about the teaching from the perspective of an insider. What if I felt that my POV was as valuable as anyone else's who promote Maharishi's teaching. Am I being evil for expressing my opinion on an open forum? WGM4U: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matt 10:16 King James C: I like poetry as
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On 11/15/2014 1:38 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Richard, Perhaps you can help me with this. Or possibly Barry. (-: According to Barry, Maharishi is just a con man, with no experiences, no enlightenment. Never had it, never will. And yet Barry is saying that he had experiences while on various courses, attributable to, I presume his practice of TM. And those experiences, we are told, have continued in an intermittent fashion to this very day. So, the only take away I can draw from this, is that Barry is more enlightened, has more genuine experiences of higher consciousness than Maharishi. And of course, this goes double for MIchael, who has checked off every box for experiences of higher states of consciousness. Now, we have heard from MIchael, in a lengthy dissertation of why those experiences were false, nada, bumpkis, attributable to strictly the power of suggestion. But Barry seems to give credence to the genuineness of those experiences, even if he says he pays them no mind. I'm starting to get really confused here. Help me Rhonda! Their confusion is the result of their own cognitive dissonance. We could sum up their experience in just one short sentence, Steve:/ Yeah, well, I don't really care what they think since neither has ever actually done anything of consequence except complain. In reality, for all their searching they got nada, nothing, zilch, zip, squat, zero, bupkis./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I have ever seen on discussion group: * /He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he sent them an invite. / * /Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message challenging us to a debate./ * /We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary subjective, enlightenment experiences./ You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience. For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, /bupkis. /He got the T-shirt but he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one - /Uncle Tantra/ - when he wrote his own wisdom book. After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit beat out him for ten years by /The Corrector./ We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from his friends. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:curtisdeltablues@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014
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On 11/15/2014 4:20 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: nothing really on my mind. /Today //misplaced my Uber iPhone and that upset me for awhile, so //I had to order a new one. Rita says I am losing it. That got me to thinking about memory and the fact that we live in the past. Memory is our most important sensory organ. Everything we consciously perceive is at least one-third of a second old. / I know we had that piece earlier about the brain picking up data before it seems we consciously act on it, and the implications of that for free will vs. determinism. /The realist is unaware that he has no criterion for the reality or unreality of objects experienced. He has faith in the reality of movie action while it lasts, otherwise he could not really enjoy it. He has faith in his own action, otherwise how could he really enjoy life. But how reliable is such faith?/ And it was then pointed out, that this might only be for trivial matters. /Comparison of present paradoxes with past experiences simply involves greater possibilities of error and greater paradoxes. For past experiences, to be compared, must be remembered. But memory often fails us. What assurance do we have that it is not failing us again? / right now, my brain just needs a rest. (-: /Yet, past experiences may have been erroneous consistently. The realist thinks he sees directly back into an existing past which in reality has ceased to exist!/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
OK, I will accept you playing the fool... let me know when the song and dance is over. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should we see no evil? And what if after 15 years studying Maharishi's teaching and experiencing his programs I came to the conclusion that there are faults in his assumptions about what these states of mind mean. What if I sincerely believed that my experience in the group was a valuable insight about the teaching from the perspective of an insider. What if I felt that my POV was as valuable as anyone else's who promote Maharishi's teaching. Am I being evil for expressing my opinion on an open forum? WGM4U:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
CDB, I am appreciative that you took to, invested in and extended upon this subject thread (hook, line and sinker) with these comments. Context often is everything.What you write as to clarifying the context of Maharishi giving these comments is actually quite helpful to some of the communal conversation that is actively going on in process inside TM right now. In sending this thread up the flagpole here I was hoping that the reach of FFL could help with that. Thanks, you did your job. I remember that time now too. Also, there is some scripture that is a lot about (spiritual) heart that runs something to the affect, “Give Joy for the joyful, compassion for the selfish, and indifference to the wicked.” Is some good practical advice for life in experience and can work for internet forums with writers you don't really know as a way of picking and choosing who to and how to respond. You make some large assumptions that may not be true about me as a writer or what I am saying in portraying your argument that you seem to want to make personal. Really I am both delighted for remembering the context that you provided yet also stay untouched and remain quite in equanimity about your own and some of the other people's name-calling, the wrong-thinking and the force of negativity here about spiritual matters in response to the thread. I appreciate the dialogue and that it is open. It is very helpful, -Buck curtisdeltablues wrote : C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : CDB, I am appreciative that you took to, invested in and extended upon this subject thread (hook, line and sinker) with these comments. Context often is everything.What you write as to clarifying the context of Maharishi giving these comments is actually quite helpful to some of the communal conversation that is actively going on in process inside TM right now. In sending this thread up the flagpole here I was hoping that the reach of FFL could help with that. Thanks, you did your job. I remember that time now too. C: Up the flagpole? Can I assume that this flagpole doesn't have any problem with the sun hitting it during the day when you are out in your farm? Also, there is some scripture that is a lot about (spiritual) heart that runs something to the affect, “Give Joy for the joyful, compassion for the selfish, and indifference to the wicked.” Is some good practical advice for life in experience and can work for internet forums with writers you don't really know as a way of picking and choosing who to and how to respond. C: I can only think of one poster in my years of posting here I considered wickedand that was because he tried to cause me real harm in the real world. Labeling people with different views than your own as wicked is really creepy. You make some large assumptions that may not be true about me as a writer or what I am saying in portraying your argument C: I am not making assumptions, I am responding to what you wrote. If you think I have something wrong you might correct it specifically rather than this vague innuendo that I have something wrong. I am not a mind reader. that you seem to want to make personal. C: Here I call bullshit. You made it personal when you used my name in your preachy sermon. For you to claim I am making it personal for defending myself is slippery at best. Really I am both delighted for remembering the context that you provided yet also stay untouched and remain quite in equanimity about your own and some of the other people's name-calling, C: But not your own. A little more self reflection and less finger wagging would go a long way in my opinion Buck. the wrong-thinking and the force of negativity here about spiritual matters in response to the thread. C: My post was intended to represent a more accurate picture of Maharishi's intended meaning than your highly personal and skewed use of it as a way to put people down. People that you singled out by name. But even the person with almost zero reading comprehension ability would not mistake Maharishi's intention to chase after people with this who are not in the organization as some kind of shame tactic. How could you have come to the conclusion that this was his intention? If I wanted to kill Maharishi's teaching in one generation I would just say: listen to Buck's version. I appreciate the dialogue and that it is open. It is very helpful, -Buck C: it just all went right over your head didn't it? Or is this all some kind of Buck schtick that I am supposed to get? I think you may have Andy Kaufman-ed yourself outside the range of intelligibility if that is the case. curtisdeltablues wrote : C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem
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Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to prove it by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown. The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of charisma. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is adorable. Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded, back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited, and unsuccessful, jerk. This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has convinced asshole Curtis, that it is. So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word. C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase meant and used to own the gag statue. WGM4U: Hear, see and speak noevil is just a catch-all phrase meaning stay on the positive side oflife, IMHO. If you entertain evil, indulge in evil, speak evil itpollutes your own soul, why gossip? You take on that evil, it 'soils'your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't see things for what they are, wejust don't indulge in them in the same manner. MMY was saying the samething, I hope this helps you understand MMY better. C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls. I am not sure what you mean by entertaining evil? Serving it drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by speaking evil. Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people, but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else. The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here. I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and his teaching. What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to put your head in the sand and ignore evil. This is Maharishi's teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the movement people like me are demonized as being evil when we speak up about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief system of a cult mindset. Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to course participants, stripped of any negative news? Is it entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it? What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight it where we can? And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed and does harm through irrational beliefs?
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Very wise Buck. The Islamic fundamentalists feel justified to kill those who speak ill of their Prophet. We don't have to do that as we know as we sow so shall we reap. They seem to lack the basic understanding of the laws of karma and if you kill an enemy he will just continue to be your enemy in another life, perhaps even more fiercely so. So I object to your resolution. Just forget about the Turq and let him fry in his own fat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Well, really there is a much larger communal discussion going on here about dealing with negativity. As such I am not going to entertain your particular negativity around this any further. For to go any further might well necessitate having to denounce you in addition to dredging your negativity further and I feel that should not be spiritually useful for either of us right now, according to the teaching. Instead I shall sit in yoga with your energetic resolution of your anger issues. I wish you well, -Buck turquoiseb wroteSon,... How old are you, Buck? I'll bet I'm older than you are. ...as a transcendentalist I well know the reality of my inner experience with this and for that I am quite a satisfied customer of the transcending meditation experience. I have no problem with this, and am in fact happy for you that your inner experience has been good for you. What I object to is your assumption that YOUR inner experience means diddleysquat to anyone else or is good for them. Or even that it should. I know and can certainly trust in the clarity of that reality by the science of my experience, thank you for asking. That reality isn't one. It's only your inner experience. YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE IS NOT REALITY. IT'S ONLY YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE. Get it? I am not going to get down in to your mud to wrestle with you point by point about George Bush, life is too short for that. However there is in deed a discerning and practical spiritual aspect of caution to what Maharishi is getting at with his negativity talk around spiritual practice. I find it wise to take that to heart. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck Sorry, but I can't take to heart the possibility that anyone who still tries to end rants by invoking the thoughtstopper Jai Guru Dev could possibly be wise. turquoiseb wrote : Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Game, set, and match. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. C: Again, the point is for people who in the system have gained this imaginary purity, it is not a universal instruction for outsiders. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. C: So WTF is Buck doing chasing us around, drawing our mud to himself? If what we are doing it is impure, then by dwelling on and attacking us Buck is violating the very purpose of the instruction, while at the same time thinking it is a way to put us down? Now THAT's funny. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be doing like that
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. C: Again, the point is for people who in the system have gained this imaginary purity, it is not a universal instruction for outsiders. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. C: So WTF is Buck doing chasing us around, drawing our mud to himself? If what we are doing it is impure, then by dwelling on and attacking us Buck is violating the very purpose of the instruction, while at the same time thinking it is a way to put us down? Now THAT's funny. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. C: Again, the point is for people who in the system have gained this imaginary purity, it is not a universal instruction for outsiders. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. C: So WTF is Buck doing chasing us around, drawing our mud to himself? If what we are doing it is impure, then by dwelling on and attacking us Buck is violating the very purpose of the
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I read an interesting article written for an Indian wandering monk about how well they really take care of wandering holy men in India. People basically expect these guys to have no right to demand any decent food so they often get scraps people would throw away. If they complain they get hit with:you are not a real renunciate if you have any desires not to eat shit food! They also constantly get bugged to heal people which is a total drag since they can't. It sounds like being an American bum with even more judgements leveled at them about how they should behave! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There are a lot of Bucks in India. And real yogis tend to disregard them as fanatics. My trip to India, studying with Indian teachers for ayurveda, jyotish and tantra gave me a good perspective on Maharishi. He didn't stray too much from traditional thought. If he would have he would have been chastised by the yogi community. Many of them praise him for popularizing meditation in the west but wouldn't have anything to do with the movement when invited to do so. One needs to remember in Indian tradition there is a right hand path for renunciates and the left hand path for householders. Problem is a lot westerners aspire to the right hand path because they want to be holy men. But that is ridiculous because you have to almost be born into it. The left hand path is more practical in the west because you can go about earning income to raise a family. I think in India the only advantage to the right hand path is you get taken care of by the monasteries or if on the street people will give feed you out of tradition. My tantra guru taught that samskaras don't entirely go away in enlightenment. Maharishi actually taught this too as the remains of ignorance. But it determines your personality and probably keeps us away from being totally intolerable bliss ninnies. On 11/14/2014 11:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with
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They tend to come up to you and say I'm an Indian holy man and hold out their begging can or up. Figured that being a westerner we would fall for it but the tour had warned about giving them anything. Besides I might have taken them up on being an holy man and paid them if they first did something to prove it. :-D OTOH, Indian academics and pundits were happy to host us and not charge anything for it. They were just pleased to have westerners who were interested. On 11/14/2014 12:07 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I read an interesting article written for an Indian wandering monk about how well they really take care of wandering holy men in India. People basically expect these guys to have no right to demand any decent food so they often get scraps people would throw away. If they complain they get hit with:you are not a real renunciate if you have any desires not to eat shit food! They also constantly get bugged to heal people which is a total drag since they can't. It sounds like being an American bum with even more judgements leveled at them about how they should behave! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There are a lot of Bucks in India. And real yogis tend to disregard them as fanatics. My trip to India, studying with Indian teachers for ayurveda, jyotish and tantra gave me a good perspective on Maharishi. He didn't stray too much from traditional thought. If he would have he would have been chastised by the yogi community. Many of them praise him for popularizing meditation in the west but wouldn't have anything to do with the movement when invited to do so. One needs to remember in Indian tradition there is a right hand path for renunciates and the left hand path for householders. Problem is a lot westerners aspire to the right hand path because they want to be holy men. But that is ridiculous because you have to almost be born into it. The left hand path is more practical in the west because you can go about earning income to raise a family. I think in India the only advantage to the right hand path is you get taken care of by the monasteries or if on the street people will give feed you out of tradition. My tantra guru taught that samskaras don't entirely go away in enlightenment. Maharishi actually taught this too as the remains of ignorance. But it determines your personality and probably keeps us away from being totally intolerable bliss ninnies. On 11/14/2014 11:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we
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Every heard of-Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil? MMY was saying the same thing, it's a universal truth applicable to everyone. MMY described the why very well I thought, there's nothing there, sorry Charlie.
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That is hilarious! From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. C: Again, the point is for people who in the system have gained this imaginary purity, it is not a universal instruction for outsiders. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very
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you ignore the fact that Marshy didn't practice what he preached. From: wgm4u no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Every heard of-Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil? MMY was saying the same thing, it's a universal truth applicable to everyone. MMY described the why very well I thought, there's nothing there, sorry Charlie.
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Sort of neat to see you pulling this discussion to a sensible middle, nooz. It is not what some want to hear. They are satisfied with only the most scornful of interpretations. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : There are a lot of Bucks in India. And real yogis tend to disregard them as fanatics. My trip to India, studying with Indian teachers for ayurveda, jyotish and tantra gave me a good perspective on Maharishi. He didn't stray too much from traditional thought. If he would have he would have been chastised by the yogi community. Many of them praise him for popularizing meditation in the west but wouldn't have anything to do with the movement when invited to do so. One needs to remember in Indian tradition there is a right hand path for renunciates and the left hand path for householders. Problem is a lot westerners aspire to the right hand path because they want to be holy men. But that is ridiculous because you have to almost be born into it. The left hand path is more practical in the west because you can go about earning income to raise a family. I think in India the only advantage to the right hand path is you get taken care of by the monasteries or if on the street people will give feed you out of tradition. My tantra guru taught that samskaras don't entirely go away in enlightenment. Maharishi actually taught this too as the remains of ignorance. But it determines your personality and probably keeps us away from being totally intolerable bliss ninnies. On 11/14/2014 11:13 AM, curtisdeltablues@... mailto:curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view
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Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's purity and Buck gains our impurity. Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real weaknesses, he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Every heard of-Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil? C: I have seen this phrase under a statue of chimps mimicking each one as a goof on the cluelessness of the platitude. From Wiki: In the Western world both the proverb and the image are often used to refer to a lack of moral responsibility on the part of people who refuse to acknowledge impropriety,looking the other way or feigning ignorance. MMY was saying the same thing, it's a universal truth applicable to everyone. C: You are making it worse by showing that you don't even understand the meaning of the phrase you are parroting. MMY described the why very well I thought, there's nothing there, sorry Charlie. C: Then you would understand that it doesn't apply to people who disagree with his teaching and say so. But perhaps you, like Buck, are giving lip service to a philosophy you haven't taken the time to understand.
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So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be doing like that and like that and like that. He would just announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to village. And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their evening meetings with their fellow men, they talk about that, then the contention is that they partake of his sin and after some time he becomes pure. Just by talking about the sinner, the people who talk about him share his sin. This is very dangerous. Someone has done something wrong and if we dwell on that and talk it over with someone, we have been affected by that sin and we spread that sin; we partake of his sin and take it upon us. Anyone who has done any mistake there or there or there, we just don't speak of it. Otherwise we will only be shrouding ourselves with the sins of others. Very important, especially now when through this Transcendental Meditation we are making ourselves more and more full with Being, means more and more full with purity, then we have to guard against this thing which is very dangerous. No one thinks that if I am
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“..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be doing like that and like that and like that. He would just announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to village. And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their evening meetings with their fellow men, they talk about that, then the contention is that they partake of his sin and after some time he becomes
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Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up.They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems.I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be doing like that and like that and like that. He would just announce it and go
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One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Soevidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is thatif one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on thesubtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in thesystem spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some wouldcall a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtlesystem. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck DearFFL, Culturallythis particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching onnegativity is really important. It did not just show up here. Andso accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDBhere having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protectwhat they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they hadexperienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so theyseem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories evenyears later does this not continue to bring on them their ownnegativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teachinghere their own loops in negativity are not really good for theseguys. It would be more better if they should be silent about thesethings of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They reallyshould stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a largercollective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about thelarger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was nottalking about collective good or organizations in these earlydiscourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that theirapostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to someequanimity around their own individual time in TM.Sincerely,-Buck Maharishion Negativity:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very
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You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up.They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems.I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And
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The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Soevidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is thatif one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on thesubtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in thesystem spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some wouldcall a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtlesystem. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck DearFFL, Culturallythis particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching onnegativity is really important. It did not just show up here. Andso accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDBhere having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protectwhat they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they hadexperienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so theyseem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories evenyears later does this not continue to bring on them their ownnegativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teachinghere their own loops in negativity are not really good for theseguys. It would be more better if they should be silent about thesethings of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They reallyshould stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a largercollective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about thelarger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was nottalking about collective good or organizations in these earlydiscourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that theirapostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to someequanimity around their own individual time in TM.Sincerely,-Buck Maharishion Negativity:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800
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There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for
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What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Soevidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is thatif one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on thesubtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in thesystem spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some wouldcall a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtlesystem. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck DearFFL, Culturallythis particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching onnegativity is really important. It did not just show up here. Andso accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDBhere having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protectwhat they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they
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Buck the alternative to what we do is to ignore the truth, deny the truth and continue to attempt to ride a dead horse. The stories from the beginning of the Movement and all the intervening years from then to the present provide a context to evaluate and be able to understand the current TM and TMO world. To ignore the past is to repeat it. Given the track record of both Marshy and the TMO of lying and underhanded behavior it is easy to see how untrustworthy all Marshy had to say was and how untrustworthy the TMO is of any trust. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 11:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up.They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems.I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be doing like that and like that and like that. He would just announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to village. And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their evening meetings with their fellow men, they talk about that, then the contention is that they partake of his sin and after some time he becomes pure. Just by talking about the sinner, the people who talk about him share his sin. This is very dangerous. Someone has done something wrong and if we dwell on that and talk it over with someone, we have been affected by that sin and we spread that sin; we partake of his sin and take it upon us. Anyone who has done any mistake there or there or there, we just don't speak of it. Otherwise we will only be shrouding ourselves with the sins of others. Very important, especially now
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Remember Barry that you are talking to the TM addict who suggested taking me and other neganauts out with drone strikes. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up.They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems.I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people.
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Excellent, Share. But remember, you are talking to someone who has lost the ability, or desire to make distinctions along these lines. It must have to do with a 40 year obsession with TM, and MMY, disguised as a study on what he believes is the cult mindset. And, further, to have any any disagreement with this conclusion is to prove that one, is himself, (or herself) a cult apologist. Pretty nifty, I'd say, but maybe not the best recipe for any kind of advancement, spiritual, or otherwise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more
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I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never
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Again, this was never part of my training, with the exception of pointing out the differences between contemplation or concentration. And, of course, there was never any kind of put down tone, when discussing those differences. And again, I think it is clear what is meant by never entertain negativity, as opposed to pointing out things one perceives to be wrong, or bad, which is just a matter of opinion. But, if one's goal is to try to find fault in something, or someone, that is always a pretty easy thing to do if so inclined. Not many of us have assigned god like status to MMY, as turq has. He has his reasons for this, of course. Makes it a little easier to throw the flame bombs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Two words: Scorpion nation. Five more: George Bush is a rakshasa. You obviously never saw Maharishi in person nor listened to any of his tapes if you believe for an instant that he practiced what he preached about never entertaining negativity. That was NEVER true -- even as far back as Squaw Valley 1968 he couldn't talk about a competing spiritual teaching or practice without dumping on its teachers and everything about it. Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in
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Oh, that Barry would back up what he says in this first paragraph. Not gonna happen, I'm afraid. Just a bunch of bluster. Can't you just hear the indignation rising in this tone? Wish I had more time to reply, but gotta go. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about
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Share: The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. The CIA guy's the Turq claims never excisted are real people who were caught readhanded and armed on their way across the bridge between the hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm where Maharishi lived. Others have been insiders who openly admitted they worked for the CIA, mind you; after having been disclosed. All this is no secret, many know who these people are/were. It's impossible for the Turq to admit that this activities were going on. One can only spectulate to why.
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That's a lot of anger coming out here, someone obviously pushed the Turq's buttons again. Looks very much like a prelude to one of his yearly rants where he claims TM is a concentration technique, one of many efforts he produce to try to have TM'ers stop meditating. It's like a law of nature, every year he HAS to try to start this discussion. Why does he do this shit year after year, does he get any benefit at all ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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Gotta revisit this one. Share, dagnabit, you've positively pushed this guys buttons, to such an extent, that he has wy overplayed his had. But, hey, let's see if Barry can produce even six teachers to corroborate this claims that TM teachers were trained to slam other methods of meditation,by MMY. I mean, can he even produce ONE person to corroborate it. But dozens!? As far as this claim and the others, he appears so positively obsessed with the TM thing, that in order to ridicule what he views are outrageous claims by the movement, he makes his own outrageous claims! Thank you Barry. You are a gem! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a
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Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat --
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Okay, so what. I don't really call this news, and of course, this doesn't corroborate Barry's version of what teacher's were trained to say, now, does it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these
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I think we only need to look at the things Nabby has said about Buddhism and Buddhists on this forum to see what he learned from his teacher Maharishi about dumping on other religions and belief systems. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill
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They are getting desperate to find something negative to say to the point they are making things up, must be the success the TMO and DLF is having these days. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Okay, so what. I don't really call this news, and of course, this doesn't corroborate Barry's version of what teacher's were trained to say, now, does it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the
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What did I say about Buddhism except that it's followers is so lost in ignorance they will set fire to themselves ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I think we only need to look at the things Nabby has said about Buddhism and Buddhists on this forum to see what he learned from his teacher Maharishi about dumping on other religions and belief systems. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill
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Like the purusha guy did in the basement of Marshy's home in Vlodrop? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What did I say about Buddhism except that it's followers is so lost in ignorance they will set fire to themselves ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I think we only need to look at the things Nabby has said about Buddhism and Buddhists on this forum to see what he learned from his teacher Maharishi about dumping on other religions and belief systems. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Yes, it is the stress, speaking. The ironic thing is, only TM can reach deeply enough, and impersonally enough, to untwist such stresses. The other thing to be aware of, is what may lie beneath the whipping boy of TM or Maharishi? Oftentimes, the ego will choose a target, an enemy, and hinges a lot of convenient stories to that, as a distraction from what is going on in real life, or to avoid dealing with memories that contradict one's egocentric view of oneself. So what we hear, through these endlessly redundant and negative stories, are the cries of frustration, from the souls trapped by them. Only by effortlessly contacting Being, and transcending, to eventually establish oneself in Being, in silence, in bliss, can these stresses be resolved. Even then, the naturally inertial (tamasic) aspect of physical existence, makes it easy for stresses to lodge in the physiology, during an active and creative life, even for an enlightened person, and so TM (2x20) continues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “..speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation.” So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What did I say about Buddhism except that it's followers is so lost in ignorance they will set fire to themselves ? All Buddhists do this Nabby? You can find plenty of examples of crazy shit Hindus do. You constantly insult Buddhists, including the Dalai Lama. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I think we only need to look at the things Nabby has said about Buddhism and Buddhists on this forum to see what he learned from his teacher Maharishi about dumping on other religions and belief systems. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There
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I've said The Dolly Lama is just a politician.
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I've said The Dolly Lama is just a politician. That's a fact, not an insult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What did I say about Buddhism except that it's followers is so lost in ignorance they will set fire to themselves ? All Buddhists do this Nabby? You can find plenty of examples of crazy shit Hindus do. You constantly insult Buddhists, including the Dalai Lama. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I think we only need to look at the things Nabby has said about Buddhism and Buddhists on this forum to see what he learned from his teacher Maharishi about dumping on other religions and belief systems. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM
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I've said the lama-fellow is just a politician. That's a fact, not an insult. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What did I say about Buddhism except that it's followers is so lost in ignorance they will set fire to themselves ? All Buddhists do this Nabby? You can find plenty of examples of crazy shit Hindus do. You constantly insult Buddhists, including the Dalai Lama. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I think we only need to look at the things Nabby has said about Buddhism and Buddhists on this forum to see what he learned from his teacher Maharishi about dumping on other religions and belief systems. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I've said the lama-fellow is just a politician. That's a fact, not an insult. It's when you start to look at what the lama has accomplished the insults start appearing. The fact is that after he left his homeland and sought safety and comfort amongst the Hindus he has accomplished nothing whatsoever for the freedom om the tibetan people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:25 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What did I say about Buddhism except that it's followers is so lost in ignorance they will set fire to themselves ? All Buddhists do this Nabby? You can find plenty of examples of crazy shit Hindus do. You constantly insult Buddhists, including the Dalai Lama. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I think we only need to look at the things Nabby has said about Buddhism and Buddhists on this forum to see what he learned from his teacher Maharishi about dumping on other religions and belief systems. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Mark Landau (one of Marshy's skin boys) told me in a phone conversation I had with him that Marshy in private was openly contemptuous of all religions other than Hinduism and at times was disparaging towards his own loyal followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com; FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what
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Bingo ! So what we hear, through these endlessly redundant and negative stories, are the cries of frustration, from the souls trapped by them.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:00 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I've said The Dolly Lama is just a politician. Because presumably that’s something MMY said, and you’re parroting it, without thinking for yourself. If he had said he was a great man, you’d be parroting that. Even the way you misspell his name is an intentional insult.
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I never felt a negative vibe from Maharishi either when I saw him in person or when I watched tapes of him. I base my conclusions on that and on the reports of people I have found to be reliable sources. t of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good One key word: entertain. Which in this context means to dwell on, to wallow in, even to take delight in, negativity. Plus, I never heard Maharishi speak about other spiritual paths. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November
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From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I've said The Dolly Lama is just a politician. And you said that because *Maharishi said it*, in exactly those words. Do you call this never entertaining negativity? Sounds to me as if Maharishi was just JEALOUS. And with good reason -- the Dalai Lama was and still is treated as a revered guest in almost every country he visits, meeting with Presidents and world leaders, and treated with respect. Maharishi couldn't even *enter* the United States and possibly other countries without being arrested. That's why he never left the Netherlands. I guess being a politician is better for your reputation than being a con man. :-)
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Fleetwood, as Maharishi used to explain, we unstress on our nearest and dearest. Hmmm... From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Yes, it is the stress, speaking. The ironic thing is, only TM can reach deeply enough, and impersonally enough, to untwist such stresses. The other thing to be aware of, is what may lie beneath the whipping boy of TM or Maharishi? Oftentimes, the ego will choose a target, an enemy, and hinges a lot of convenient stories to that, as a distraction from what is going on in real life, or to avoid dealing with memories that contradict one's egocentric view of oneself. So what we hear, through these endlessly redundant and negative stories, are the cries of frustration, from the souls trapped by them. Only by effortlessly contacting Being, and transcending, to eventually establish oneself in Being, in silence, in bliss, can these stresses be resolved. Even then, the naturally inertial (tamasic) aspect of physical existence, makes it easy for stresses to lodge in the physiology, during an active and creative life, even for an enlightened person, and so TM (2x20) continues. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : “..speakingill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses ofsomeone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] youget your heart and mind spoiled. Sowhen through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invitethis mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to becautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, andwe don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speakingill of others is a very bad We say it makes the cloth dirty,makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have toguard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Veryimportant; very, very important. It is as important as dailypractice of meditation.” Soevidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is thatif one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on thesubtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle.Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in thesystem spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some wouldcall a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtlesystem. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck DearFFL, Culturallythis particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching onnegativity is really important. It did not just show up here. Andso accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDBhere having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protectwhat they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they hadexperienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so theyseem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories evenyears later does this not continue to bring on them their ownnegativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teachinghere their own loops in negativity are not really good for theseguys. It would be more better if they should be silent about thesethings of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They reallyshould stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a largercollective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about thelarger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was nottalking about collective good or organizations in these earlydiscourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that theirapostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to someequanimity around their own individual time in TM.Sincerely,-Buck Maharishion Negativity:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dickmays@... wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious
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Some brains need to be washed. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
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The thing is, even contemporary psychology recognizes the unhealthy effect of dwelling on negative thoughts and emotions. And also on negative events that occurred in the past. Wishing everyone excellent health... From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I can easily produce dozens of former TM teachers who can attest to having been trained to badmouth competing meditation techniques and traditions while on their TM Teacher Training courses. That's not absolute proof, of course, but allow me to demonstrate. If you hear the concentration in the context of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com
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From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I never felt a negative vibe from Maharishi either when I saw him in person or when I watched tapes of him. I base my conclusions on that and on the reports of people I have found to be reliable sources. We understand, Share. You found Maharishi to be trustworthy the same way you found Marci Shimoff to be trustworthy when she claimed falsely in your presence that she was the best-selling female author of all time. Have you ever considered the possibility that your intuition or perception in such matters sucks big-time and that you're just a gullible idiot? t of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And his anti-US, anti-capitalism Damn democracy rants? He must have been pretty entertained by these obsessions of his to keep repeating them as long as he did. I repeat -- MMY was at best a hypocrite, and at worst, insane. (Although, of course, he could easily have been both.) From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:
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I base my conclusions on that and on the reports of people I have found to be reliable sources. I agree with that with the early tapes I have seen - but not the ones made in the last 10-15 years of his life. Unless you are being obtuse about it. Who can see the Scorpion land tapes and not see the judgmental adolescent I'm not gettin' what I want attitude? I too base my assertions partly on what others who were there have told me. Mark is not the first nor the last to say that in private Marshy demeaned other religions and had contempt for his own followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I never felt a negative vibe from Maharishi either when I saw him in person or when I watched tapes of him. I base my conclusions on that and on the reports of people I have found to be reliable sources. We understand, Share. You found Maharishi to be trustworthy the same way you found Marci Shimoff to be trustworthy when she claimed falsely in your presence that she was the best-selling female author of all time. Have you ever considered the possibility that your intuition or perception in such matters sucks big-time and that you're just a gullible idiot? t of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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It might also be points out that the many years of TMSP yogic flying groups and courses have had zero effect for freeing the Tibetans from Chinese rule, so in essence the Dalai Llama has done at least as much for Tibet as Marshy ever did, Benjamin Creme and Maitreya too for that matter. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I've said The Dolly Lama is just a politician. And you said that because *Maharishi said it*, in exactly those words. Do you call this never entertaining negativity? Sounds to me as if Maharishi was just JEALOUS. And with good reason -- the Dalai Lama was and still is treated as a revered guest in almost every country he visits, meeting with Presidents and world leaders, and treated with respect. Maharishi couldn't even *enter* the United States and possibly other countries without being arrested. That's why he never left the Netherlands. I guess being a politician is better for your reputation than being a con man. :-)
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I would say that my intuition about people is not always 100% accurate. And that I prefer to err in the direction of thinking positively of others. Unless they have demonstrated reasons not to. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I never felt a negative vibe from Maharishi either when I saw him in person or when I watched tapes of him. I base my conclusions on that and on the reports of people I have found to be reliable sources. We understand, Share. You found Maharishi to be trustworthy the same way you found Marci Shimoff to be trustworthy when she claimed falsely in your presence that she was the best-selling female author of all time. Have you ever considered the possibility that your intuition or perception in such matters sucks big-time and that you're just a gullible idiot? t of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good The only time I saw something like this was when Maharishi confronted the CIA guy. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good You never became a TM teacher then, Share. If you had, you would have spent several weeks memorizing insulting, put-down one-liners to use whenever any other competing technique of meditation in the world was mentioned. (Almost all of them untrue, BTW.) How many YEARS did Maharishi wallow in his Scorpion nation fixation? And
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I never saw any tapes with the Scorpion land phrase. From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good I base my conclusions on that and on the reports of people I have found to be reliable sources. I agree with that with the early tapes I have seen - but not the ones made in the last 10-15 years of his life. Unless you are being obtuse about it. Who can see the Scorpion land tapes and not see the judgmental adolescent I'm not gettin' what I want attitude? I too base my assertions partly on what others who were there have told me. Mark is not the first nor the last to say that in private Marshy demeaned other religions and had contempt for his own followers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I never felt a negative vibe from Maharishi either when I saw him in person or when I watched tapes of him. I base my conclusions on that and on the reports of people I have found to be reliable sources. We understand, Share. You found Maharishi to be trustworthy the same way you found Marci Shimoff to be trustworthy when she claimed falsely in your presence that she was the best-selling female author of all time. Have you ever considered the possibility that your intuition or perception in such matters sucks big-time and that you're just a gullible idiot? t of meditation and immediately think forced or unnatural or contrary to the natural tendency of the mind or causes headaches, those are examples of the putdown phrases we were trained to teach. The very fact that you associate them with the word concentration shows that they *were* taught, and that people like you actually believed them. Compare and contrast to the claim that someone was a CIA agent, just because Maharishi assumed he or she was. That's just a claim. Nabby has accused ME and Rick of working for the CIA. Was that true? Can he prove it? Well, Maharishi did the same thing. His paranoia got the better of him and he just freaked out and picked some poor schmuck and let loose on him, almost certainly without reason. But, because almost all of the people in the room were as brainwashed as you were, Share, they just believed it, and now repeat it as if it were true. Just as you are doing. The fascinating thing is that you're jumping through hoops again, trying to dispute something that NO ONE WHO EVER SPENT TIME AROUND MAHARISHI WOULD DENY -- that he often *was* quite negative when talking about people or organizations he considered his competitors or against him (because he was so certifiably paranoid). And that he often entertained these negative obsessions of his for YEARS, as he did with the Scorpion nation thang and with his putdowns of prominent disciples who walked out on him. All you're doing is demonstrating how little you actually knew the man you're still brainwashed enough to feel compelled to defend. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good What is absolute proof in this context? Are you offering absolute proof about what Maharishi said on TTC about other systems? From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good There has never BEEN a CIA guy, Share. If Maharishi freaked out and screamed at someone, that was his paranoia acting itself out, not anything else. Any claim to the contrary unaccompanied by absolute proof is just the self importance of cultists acting *itself* out. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about
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More nonsense from the Turq. Earlier this year when the lama did his European tour not a single head of State in ANY European country wanted to meet with him. Even most MP's didn't want to see him, and as far as I know he wasn't invited to a single Parliament in the whole of Europe. Reverend quest ? I don't think so. It was so embarrassing for the lama that when he found out that he was not welcome he quickly changed the theme of his trip to one of meetings in Buddhist centres instead. Which he did, leading the banging of bells, exchanging of scarves and some singsong. That's about it. Later it has been revealed that the lama-guy now blames the Chinese for his troubles. The Turq's distortion of how his guru is perceived is as distorted as just about everything else he writes in here. the Dalai Lama was and still is treated as a revered guest in almost every country he visits, meeting with Presidents and world leaders, and treated with respect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I've said The Dolly Lama is just a politician. And you said that because *Maharishi said it*, in exactly those words. Do you call this never entertaining negativity? Sounds to me as if Maharishi was just JEALOUS. And with good reason -- the Dalai Lama was and still is treated as a revered guest in almost every country he visits, meeting with Presidents and world leaders, and treated with respect. Maharishi couldn't even *enter* the United States and possibly other countries without being arrested. That's why he never left the Netherlands. I guess being a politician is better for your reputation than being a con man. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
More nonsense from the Turq. Earlier this year when the lama did his European tour not a single head of State in ANY European country wanted to meet with him. Even most MP's didn't want to see him, and as far as I know he wasn't invited to a single Parliament in the whole of Europe. Reverend quest ? I don't think so. It was so embarrassing for the lama that when he found out that he was not welcome he quickly changed the theme of his trip to one of meetings in Buddhist centres instead. Which he did, leading the banging of bells, exchanging of scarves and some singsong. That's about it. Later it has been revealed that the lama-guy now blames the Chinese for his troubles in Europe not wanting to admit that European leaders see him as a loser going down a dead-end-street leading nowhere. The Turq's distortion of how his guru is perceived is as distorted as just about everything else he writes in here. the Dalai Lama was and still is treated as a revered guest in almost every country he visits, meeting with Presidents and world leaders, and treated with respect. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com I've said The Dolly Lama is just a politician. And you said that because *Maharishi said it*, in exactly those words. Do you call this never entertaining negativity? Sounds to me as if Maharishi was just JEALOUS. And with good reason -- the Dalai Lama was and still is treated as a revered guest in almost every country he visits, meeting with Presidents and world leaders, and treated with respect. Maharishi couldn't even *enter* the United States and possibly other countries without being arrested. That's why he never left the Netherlands. I guess being a politician is better for your reputation than being a con man. :-)
