Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Since its come up again, I wanted to say that I originally mistook Susan for Geezerfreek, (Joe). If I had not been confused like that, my reply to Susan (wayback) would have been milder. I do subscribe to the Michael Jackson program of being deferential to the female gender. It's just the way I was raised. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference of political opinions! On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent standard for "nasty" and "inappropriate".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Richard, definitely different people are triggered by different things. Sometimes that can be frustrating and sometimes it's just interesting. Glad you're still here. On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:22 PM, "Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > >Richard, I know from experience that silence does not always indicate >agreement. Sometimes it indicates that the post has not been read by the one >who is being silent! > In a discussion, the participants are supposed to keep up with the conversation. In this case, Rick did respond but in a very weak way and gave the guy a pass, yet this same Rick Archer was bothered by my "over-posting." Go figure. > >I don't like the hyper negative comments. And I really don't like the comments >that suggest violence. For reasons I've already shared. > It doesn't seem to bother Rick, even when one of his own interviews is trashed with slander and outright defamation. "I would not advise him to get stuck in an elevator with me. There would be blood, no debate, and it wouldn't take place in the astral." - Edg BatGap Panel Discussion John Hagelin, Ph.D. Moderated by Rick Archer: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg279404.html > > >As for FFL being a "vast, moral wasteland," we gotta be the change we wanna >see. Otherwise we become a part of the violence. > > Now we need to get MJ to retract and apologize for posting that offensive comment about Nabby being a "Nazi." We should save that kind of talk for our real enemies. I support Dan's objections. It is really a low point for this group that nobody objects to equating a TMer with the Jewish holocaust. Go figure. > > > >On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:40 PM, "Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com >[FairfieldLife]" wrote: > > > > > > > > >On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com >[FairfieldLife] wrote: > > >> >>Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm Lounge is >>a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-: >> >> >Yes, it's a "funny old life" when the moderator just lays back and does >nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually >indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now I >think a lot less of him than I used to. > > >So, when MJ calls Nabby a "Nazi" we get no objections except from the one guy >of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the vast >moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure. > > >"I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your comparing >him with a pedophile priest IMO. I think you are chasing a cartoon of your >own making now that has nothing to do with Richard." - Curtis > > >http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118170.html >> > >> >> >>On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, "Richard Williams >>pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com >>[FairfieldLife] wrote: >> >> >>> >>>Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote >>>one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts >>>attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference >>>of political opinions! >>> >>> >>This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that I >>voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to use >>military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. >> >> >>He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not even >>realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same character >>then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow the Bush >>doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist killers. Barack >>Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! >> >> >>There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once >>has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the ISIS >>killers or the killing of children - his enemy is "willytex." Go figure. >> >> >>Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. >>> >> >>> >>> >>>On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com >>>[FairfieldLife]" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >>> >>> >>>Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a >>>free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular >>>opinion. >>> >>> >>>Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it >>>seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem >>>with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a >>>problem wit
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > > Richard, I know from experience that silence does not always indicate > agreement. Sometimes it indicates that the post has not been read by the > one who is being silent! > > In a discussion, the participants are supposed to keep up with the conversation. In this case, Rick did respond but in a very weak way and gave the guy a pass, yet this same Rick Archer was bothered by my "over-posting." Go figure. > > I don't like the hyper negative comments. And I really don't like the > comments that suggest violence. For reasons I've already shared. > > *It doesn't seem to bother Rick, even when one of his own interviews is trashed with slander and outright defamation.* *"I would not advise him to get stuck in an elevator with me. There would be blood, no debate, and it wouldn't take place in the astral." - Edg* BatGap Panel Discussion John Hagelin, Ph.D. Moderated by Rick Archer: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg279404.html > > > As for FFL being a "vast, moral wasteland," we gotta be the change we > wanna see. Otherwise we become a part of the violence. > > *Now we need to get MJ to retract and apologize for posting that offensive comment about Nabby being a "Nazi." We should save that kind of talk for our real enemies. I support Dan's objections. It is really a low point for this group that nobody objects to equating a TMer with the Jewish holocaust. Go figure.* > > > > On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:40 PM, "Richard Williams > pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com > [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > > Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm > Lounge is a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-: > > > > *Yes, it's a "funny old life" when the moderator just lays back and does > nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually > indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now > I think a lot less of him than I used to. * > > *So, when MJ calls Nabby a "Nazi" we get no objections except from the one > guy of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the > vast moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure.* > > *"I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your > comparing him with a pedophile priest IMO. I think you are chasing a > cartoon of your own making now that has nothing to do with Richard." - > Curtis* > > http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118170.html > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, "Richard Williams > pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com > [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > > Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve > wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative > posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a > difference of political opinions! > > > > This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that > I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to > use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. > > He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not > even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same > character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow > the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist > killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! > > There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not > once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not > the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is "willytex." Go > figure. > > Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. > > > > > > On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com > [FairfieldLife]" wrote: > > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a > free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular > opinion. > > Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it > seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem > with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a > problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so > terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know > everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I > don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone > deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent > standard for "nasty" and "inappropria
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Richard, I know from experience that silence does not always indicate agreement. Sometimes it indicates that the post has not been read by the one who is being silent! I don't like the hyper negative comments. And I really don't like the comments that suggest violence. For reasons I've already shared. As for FFL being a "vast, moral wasteland," we gotta be the change we wanna see. Otherwise we become a part of the violence. On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:40 PM, "Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > >Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm Lounge is >a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-: > > Yes, it's a "funny old life" when the moderator just lays back and does nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now I think a lot less of him than I used to. So, when MJ calls Nabby a "Nazi" we get no objections except from the one guy of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the vast moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure. "I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your comparing him with a pedophile priest IMO. I think you are chasing a cartoon of your own making now that has nothing to do with Richard." - Curtis http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118170.html > > > >On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, "Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com >[FairfieldLife]" wrote: > > > > > > > > >On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com >[FairfieldLife] wrote: > > >> >>Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote one >>negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts >>attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference >>of political opinions! >> >> >This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that I >voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to use >military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. > > >He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not even >realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same character >then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow the Bush >doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist killers. Barack >Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! > > >There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once >has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the ISIS >killers or the killing of children - his enemy is "willytex." Go figure. > > >Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. >> > >> >> >>On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com >>[FairfieldLife]" wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >> >> >>Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a >>free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular >>opinion. >> >> >>Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it >>seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem >>with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a >>problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so >>terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know >>everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't >>give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a >>voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent standard for >>"nasty" and "inappropriate". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > > Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm Lounge > is a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-: > > *Yes, it's a "funny old life" when the moderator just lays back and does nothing about these kinds of attacks. Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement. Rick, the owner of this site, really let me down - now I think a lot less of him than I used to. * *So, when MJ calls Nabby a "Nazi" we get no objections except from the one guy of the Jewish faith,which pretty much indicates to me the depth of the vast moral wasteland that is FFL. Go figure.* *"I get it that you hate Richard, but his post didn't deserve your comparing him with a pedophile priest IMO. I think you are chasing a cartoon of your own making now that has nothing to do with Richard." - Curtis* http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118170.html > > > > On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, "Richard Williams > pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com > [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > > Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve > wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative > posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a > difference of political opinions! > > > > This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that > I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to > use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. > > He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not > even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same > character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow > the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist > killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! > > There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not > once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not > the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is "willytex." Go > figure. > > Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. > > > > > > On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com > [FairfieldLife]" wrote: > > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a > free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular > opinion. > > Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it > seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem > with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a > problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so > terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know > everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I > don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone > deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent > standard for "nasty" and "inappropriate". > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Richard, in my experience, it's a funny old life and the Funny Farm Lounge is a mirror of that. Might as well enjoy (-: On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:06 PM, "Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > >Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote one >negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts attacking >Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference of >political opinions! > > This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is "willytex." Go figure. Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. > > > >On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com >[FairfieldLife]" wrote: > > > > > > > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > >Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free >pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. > > >Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it seemed >arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem with it. >Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a problem >with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so terrible >'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know everyone else >agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't give her >impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a voice >here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent standard for "nasty" >and "inappropriate". > > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > > Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote > one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts > attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a > difference of political opinions! > > This character attacked me for no apparent reason other than the fact that I voted for George W. Bush and supported the U.S. Congress when it voted to use military force to unseat Saddham Hussien in Iraq. He obviously hates George W. Bush and is prejudiced against Texans, not even realizing that GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut. This same character then voted for Barack Obama, who currently continues to follow the Bush doctrine and the continuing war in Iraq against the terrorist killers. Barack Obama is bombing the shit out of Iraq! There have been 773,335 abortions in the U.S. so far this year and not once has this guy piped up with a message in opposition. His enemy is not the ISIS killers or the killing of children - his enemy is "willytex." Go figure. Apparently nobody posting here cares about the important issues, Share. > > > > On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com > [FairfieldLife]" wrote: > > > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a > free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular > opinion. > > Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it > seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem > with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a > problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so > terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know > everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I > don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone > deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent > standard for "nasty" and "inappropriate". > > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Ann, I actually like both wayback and Edg. The difference was Steve wrote one negative sentence whereas Edg wrote two long and very negative posts attacking Richard. And the first post seemed to be triggered by a difference of political opinions! On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent standard for "nasty" and "inappropriate".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Most people, personality-wise, are probably pretty much just like their online persona - unless they are posers, according to Judy - and that would be dishonest. They wouldn't be able to hold up under close scrutiny. People that want to join a public discussion group don't usually just take on different personalities for no reason.That would be considered to be trolling. People who do this consciously in public are sometimes termed schizophrenic by psychologists. In an online discussion we pretty much read what we read - there's not much wiggle room for deceit - although since we no longer have the benefit of Judge Judy, there are several informants that try to get away with posting fibs. Go figure. There's no logical reason for anyone on this list, anyone that wants to show any street-cred - to pose as someone else - they would be outed in just a few minutes. The fact is, that NOBODY posting here knows what is going on with the TMO and probably never have - no matter how many biscuits they baked or how many mantras they sold. There are no TMO insider informants on this list, except for maybe Alex, and he already told us everything we need to know about the comings-and-goings in Vedic City.And, Share and Buck have told us everything we need to know about the comings-and-goings of the TMer in Fairfield. > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > > seems decent enough, from the trike vids. Doesn't seem overly aggressive > or confrontational, just has some pent up shit, and is kinda into it, > publicly. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > > OK, so it's thug, bully, coward, and narcissist. Of course, what he's like > in real life, I have no idea. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > He did say he was a coward and a narcissist. Why not just take him at his > word? I have. > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > You have always come across on this forum, in my view, as a foul-mouthed > thug and a bully with severe anger issues, and also an endless whiner about > the movement, how they FORCED you to do this and that, as if you had no > choice in the matter. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an > elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. > > And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I > do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of > life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, > if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, > HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to > shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. > > And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as > anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts > in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal > circumstance? -- nah > > Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the > productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, > and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is > here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the > "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of > happiness. > > I've written about it MANY times. > > But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for > them to be hacked with rusty machetes. > > I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of > themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. > Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have > picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be > corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum > because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted > when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers > have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like > their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. > > My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to > putting a good foot forward? > > I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that > I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a > long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. > > I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they > mayas usual. > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg > said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' > kill yourself then" > > Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Anyone can be anything they want to be in an online discussion group, especially when they're posting anonymously.We don't know why someone would pose on a forum as a thug, a bully, a coward or a narcissist - all we know is that it happens. We don't have a resident psychologist anymore since Dr. Pete left us stranded here without a counselor. Usually, a moderator will step in when things get out of hand and the forum rules are broken. Go figure. > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM, feste37 wrote: > > > OK, so it's thug, bully, coward, and narcissist. Of course, what he's like > in real life, I have no idea. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > > He did say he was a coward and a narcissist. Why not just take him at his > word? I have. > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > You have always come across on this forum, in my view, as a foul-mouthed > thug and a bully with severe anger issues, and also an endless whiner about > the movement, how they FORCED you to do this and that, as if you had no > choice in the matter. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an > elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. > > And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I > do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of > life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, > if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, > HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to > shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. > > And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as > anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts > in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal > circumstance? -- nah > > Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the > productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, > and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is > here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the > "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of > happiness. > > I've written about it MANY times. > > But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for > them to be hacked with rusty machetes. > > I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of > themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. > Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have > picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be > corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum > because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted > when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers > have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like > their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. > > My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to > putting a good foot forward? > > I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that > I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a > long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. > > I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they > mayas usual. > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg > said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' > kill yourself then" > > Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, > wayback, how men often talk to one another. > > I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. > > But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on > both ends of it. > > I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they > perceive as my sh*t. > > With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite > company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Ann, > I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time > passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that > many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we > would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re > 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that > you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made > a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said. > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
seems decent enough, from the trike vids. Doesn't seem overly aggressive or confrontational, just has some pent up shit, and is kinda into it, publicly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : OK, so it's thug, bully, coward, and narcissist. Of course, what he's like in real life, I have no idea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He did say he was a coward and a narcissist. Why not just take him at his word? I have. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You have always come across on this forum, in my view, as a foul-mouthed thug and a bully with severe anger issues, and also an endless whiner about the movement, how they FORCED you to do this and that, as if you had no choice in the matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal circumstance? -- nah Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of happiness. I've written about it MANY times. But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for them to be hacked with rusty machetes. I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to putting a good foot forward? I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they mayas usual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' kill yourself then" Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, wayback, how men often talk to one another. I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on both ends of it. I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they perceive as my sh*t. With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
OK, so it's thug, bully, coward, and narcissist. Of course, what he's like in real life, I have no idea. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He did say he was a coward and a narcissist. Why not just take him at his word? I have. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You have always come across on this forum, in my view, as a foul-mouthed thug and a bully with severe anger issues, and also an endless whiner about the movement, how they FORCED you to do this and that, as if you had no choice in the matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal circumstance? -- nah Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of happiness. I've written about it MANY times. But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for them to be hacked with rusty machetes. I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to putting a good foot forward? I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they mayas usual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' kill yourself then" Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, wayback, how men often talk to one another. I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on both ends of it. I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they perceive as my sh*t. With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
This is a perfect example of why they should have a better screening process, to keep anti-social people from working for the TMO. This kind of behavior has probably been present since the guy was a small child. I mean, if a guy can't even participate in an online discussion group without blowing up, you can imagine what his life is like in real life! It must have been chaos just living with this guy! If he's like this now, after being cured, imagine what he was like twenty years ago when he was supposed to be a spiritual teacher. Most of the misfits posting here probably had severe social problems long before they started TM - it was just hidden from view. People don't just suddenly start expressing violent tendencies. Or, exhibit extreme anger at their government overnight - it's a chronic, pernicious condition over time. Usually people consult a cult-exit counselor or get some therapy from a psychiatrist. Apparently none of the misfits on FFL have done this and even refuse to admit they have any problems. The first step on any 12-step program is to admit you have a serious social or mental problem. Sometimes people have to be put on medication. Sometimes they have to be committed before they cause harm to others or to themselves. > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:49 AM, feste37 wrote: > > > You have always come across on this forum, in my view, as a foul-mouthed > thug and a bully with severe anger issues, and also an endless whiner about > the movement, how they FORCED you to do this and that, as if you had no > choice in the matter. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > > Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an > elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. > > And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I > do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of > life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, > if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, > HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to > shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. > > And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as > anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts > in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal > circumstance? -- nah > > Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the > productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, > and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is > here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the > "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of > happiness. > > I've written about it MANY times. > > But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for > them to be hacked with rusty machetes. > > I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of > themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. > Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have > picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be > corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum > because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted > when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers > have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like > their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. > > My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to > putting a good foot forward? > > I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that > I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a > long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. > > I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they > mayas usual. > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg > said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' > kill yourself then" > > Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, > wayback, how men often talk to one another. > > I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. > > But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on > both ends of it. > > I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they > perceive as my sh*t. > > With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite > company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Ann, > I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time > passes. Some I really enjoy, even tho
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
He did say he was a coward and a narcissist. Why not just take him at his word? I have. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You have always come across on this forum, in my view, as a foul-mouthed thug and a bully with severe anger issues, and also an endless whiner about the movement, how they FORCED you to do this and that, as if you had no choice in the matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal circumstance? -- nah Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of happiness. I've written about it MANY times. But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for them to be hacked with rusty machetes. I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to putting a good foot forward? I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they mayas usual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' kill yourself then" Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, wayback, how men often talk to one another. I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on both ends of it. I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they perceive as my sh*t. With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
You have always come across on this forum, in my view, as a foul-mouthed thug and a bully with severe anger issues, and also an endless whiner about the movement, how they FORCED you to do this and that, as if you had no choice in the matter. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal circumstance? -- nah Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of happiness. I've written about it MANY times. But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for them to be hacked with rusty machetes. I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to putting a good foot forward? I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they mayas usual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' kill yourself then" Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, wayback, how men often talk to one another. I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on both ends of it. I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they perceive as my sh*t. With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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Nice post, as usual Edg. There is nothing like a good challenge, and you give us plenty. Nothing like being kept on..edge, like you do to us here. As I get older, I find in some ways, I'm feeling more messed up, and is some ways feel like I'm figuring things out, at least on the spiritual side. Thanks for your latest run of posts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal circumstance? -- nah Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of happiness. I've written about it MANY times. But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for them to be hacked with rusty machetes. I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to putting a good foot forward? I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they mayas usual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' kill yourself then" Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, wayback, how men often talk to one another. I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on both ends of it. I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they perceive as my sh*t. With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. Her opinion is not necessarily unpopular. I had a problem with it as it seemed arbitrary and forced. You like Steve so you seemed to have a problem with it. Richard has been the brunt of Edg's acid writing style so he had a problem with it and Steve disagreed with Susan't assessment that it was so terrible 'cause he had his own reasons for saying it. For all we know everyone else agreed with Susan or didn't care enough to comment. So, I don't give her impulse to make the comment much credit although everyone deserves a voice here if they so choose. My beef is still the inconsistent standard for "nasty" and "inappropriate".
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You voted for him now you own it. That's the important point.Your guy pulled all the U,S, troops out of Iraq and dropped the ball - now he's going back into Iraq - to destroy the al Queda-ISIL. You are either with us or against us. Make up your mind. *"The United States has conducted more than 150 airstrikes in Iraq against ISIS, and Secretary of State John Kerry has said nearly 40 nations have agreed to contribute to the fight against the militants."* 'Who is doing what in the coalition battle against ISIS?' http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/world/meast/isis-coalition-nations/ On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Duveyoung wrote: > > > Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an > elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. > > And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I > do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of > life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, > if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, > HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to > shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. > > And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as > anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts > in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal > circumstance? -- nah > > Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the > productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, > and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is > here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the > "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of > happiness. > > I've written about it MANY times. > > But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for > them to be hacked with rusty machetes. > > I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of > themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. > Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have > picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be > corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum > because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted > when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers > have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like > their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. > > My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to > putting a good foot forward? > > I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that > I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a > long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. > > I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they > mayas usual. > > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg > said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' > kill yourself then" > > Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, > wayback, how men often talk to one another. > > I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. > > But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on > both ends of it. > > I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they > perceive as my sh*t. > > With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite > company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > Ann, > I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time > passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that > many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we > would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re > 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that > you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made > a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said. > > > >
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Gunna have to give the win to Steve hereI think I took it to be an elbow in the ribs as he intended...locker room jive. And maybe mostly too my "Stop eating. Die." gobsmacker was suchlike, but I do contend that fasting to death is a perfect way to arrange the end of life. Seems all the scriptures everywhere got a soft spot for tapas. So, if I had a lesser technique to offer to Richard, I would offer it, but, HE'S DISSED EVERY POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY TECHNIQUE, so I can't tell him to shape up any other way. This is my story and I'm sticking to it. Hee hee. And of course, as a topic, suicide has crossed my desk as much as anyone's, er probably. Have I mindfully processed more than three thoughts in a row about it as a personal choice due to intolerable personal circumstance? -- nah Cuz, surprise!, I'm a narcissist and coward and fascinated with the productivity of my consciousness. I got a first row seat inside a brain, and I mean to enjoy it. Confession: I still will tell folks that life is here to enjoy, ya know? I love that concept, and I learned it at the "feet" of Maharishi -- that God's reason to create was the expansion of happiness. I've written about it MANY times. But here, it's not so easy to present ones little darlings and wait for them to be hacked with rusty machetes. I write in many a venue, ya wouldn't even recognize me in some of themer, maybe. Yep, I do "bonsai trim" my personality for each. Some places have never heard a swear word outta me. Other places I have picked fights -- politics, morality, etc. with strangers who must be corrected -- you know the drill. I was kicked out of a trikking forum because they didn't like me griping about them allowing porn to be posted when we had under-18yer kids posting at the forum. About six Facebookers have unfriended me because I insisted that Jesus couldn't be at all like their Jesus. Like that, I have tilted at windmills and lost. My online life's a masquerade ball. You? Anyone here want to confess to putting a good foot forward? I came into FFL angry with my first post. I think I set a tone there that I have ridden as a dynamic suitable to this venue. A little bristle goes a long way. Keeps the party goers from spilling your drink. I do regret more than a few posts. But the chips have fallen where they mayas usual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' kill yourself then" Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, wayback, how men often talk to one another. I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on both ends of it. I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they perceive as my sh*t. With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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Easy Richard, she may cover her eyes and run off. That selective moral outrage is always a hoot. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Steve's words cross a line for wayback but not Edg's words when he told Richard to stop eating and die?! It's a common problem when informants who don't read all the messages posted here before they post their own comment. It's like a guy or a gal invited to a dance party so they can meet gals or guys, and they just lean up against the back wall drinking beer or smoking. Or, it's like a guy at a cafe social gathering who just sits in the back room at a table by himself and plays with his iPhone or his laptop. The only time he looks up is to order another drink from the bar. Then, after they get quite drunk, they stand up and shout at the rest of the party something like "WTF - NUKE YOU!", "YOU REMIND ME OF A PEDOPHILE PRIEST", or "STOP EATING. DIE!" These types of schizophrenic individuals are usually found in an asylum, not encouraged to post more hate comments on social media. In a social setting they would probably be asked to leave and then the cops would be notified. It's like a scene out of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest." Go figure. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:05 AM, "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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Ann, I think wayback was remiss in criticizing Steve and yet giving Edg a free pass against Richard. OTOH, I admire her for expressing an unpopular opinion. On Saturday, September 13, 2014 7:43 PM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >> >> >>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >> >> >>Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. >> >> >>Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that. >> > >On 9/13/2014 2:50 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >> > >I find this quite fascinating that of all the crapola that is flung around here you choose to single out this one. Your faux bleeding heart is annoying. >> > >You would think that if anyone is going to get upset about something that was posted to FFL, they would have objected to someone being told to "Stop eating. Die." Then again, if she is anti-social, why would she want to take up for me or you or anyone else? Go figure. > Ms Wayback can tolerate bawee, in fact she positively yearns for his participation here, so why is she getting so picky about Steve's remark? These are the things I would like to know. > >Subject:The War Monger is attacking us again and again. >Author: Duveyoung >Forum: Yahoo! FairfieldLife >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:55:35 -0700 >http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118168.html >
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I think if I were sitting at a restaurant bar, or a coffee bar, and Edg said to me what he posted, I would likely say, "well why don't you fuckin' kill yourself then" Now maybe Edg would have taken offense to that, but that is, often, wayback, how men often talk to one another. I am sorry if you were offended by it, and I am sorry if I offended Edg. But that is a banter I am comfortable with, and I think I have been on both ends of it. I try not to take offense when people call me on my sh*t, or what they perceive as my sh*t. With the exception of certain business situations, or among polite company, I would not consider myself particularly politically correct. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I never read that Edg had told someone to stop eating and die. Suicide pushes a button for me, obviously. What 7th ray wrote seemed to cross a line, for me. I suspect that Edg himself could care less. And he does not need me to defend him. I just spoke up cause it seemed a harsh response. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Perhaps it was harsh but I think, given the context, it was not as harsh as the mere words suggest. I also think if you took a little more time and had a quick glance at a sampling of the posts that show up here in any average week you would see many similar comments either directly stated or implied. I just found it interesting and inconsistent that out of all of the insults hurled around here you would pick out that particular one and so I had a question in my own mind about your sincerity or lack of hypocrisy given who you choose "hang out with" here. Suicide sometimes pushes my buttons too. But, what really pushes my buttons is anyone who ignores child soldier suicides in the name of religion against Americans and Brits. It seems pretty clear to me by their silence, who the suicide supporters are: anyone who thinks I should die for protesting against the murderous al Quaeda terrorist cult. The real issue is not my death or not, but who is going to speak up about the killers in ISIS.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But Richard, wayback read Edg's words in my post! Did she think I was making it up?! All she had to say was that's harsh too, or that's over the line too. It's not complicated, Share. Some informants just don't keep up with the conversation on FFL and so they fail to understand what we are even talking about. It's like at a social gathering or a party when a long-lost friend shows up out of the blue after a couple of years and instead of joining in the party and having fun, they just butt in without thinking and then they ignore their old friends. Sometimes they overhear a debate and without knowing what the subject of the debate is they just launch into a non sequitur - instead of reflecting on the topic at hand and trying to understand both sides of a debate. It's very common on discussion groups. Judy would probably say it's dishonest. Although she also said that silence usually indicates agreement. Go figure. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:38 AM, "punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Steve's words cross a line for wayback but not Edg's words when he told Richard to stop eating and die?! It's a common problem when informants who don't read all the messages posted here before they post their own comment. It's like a guy or a gal invited to a dance party so they can meet gals or guys, and they just lean up against the back wall drinking beer or smoking. Or, it's like a guy at a cafe social gathering who just sits in the back room at a table by himself and plays with his iPhone or his laptop. The only time he looks up is to order another drink from the bar. Then, after they get quite drunk, they stand up and shout at the rest of the party something like "WTF - NUKE YOU!", "YOU REMIND ME OF A PEDOPHILE PRIEST", or "STOP EATING. DIE!" These types of schizophrenic individuals are usually found in an asylum, not encouraged to post more hate comments on social media. In a social setting they would probably be asked to leave and then the cops would be notified. It's like a scene out of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest." Go figure. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:05 AM, "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > > On 9/13/2014 8:02 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Mike, I see that you have not recanted this comment of yours. You should. > He will use any tragedy, down to and including the Nazi holocaust, if he thinks it will help him win a religious debate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Does this mean that in MJ's world if you're German then you're a Nazi? Does this mean that because I'm a dual citizen Canadian that I am a hockey player? It means, in MJ's and Edg's world, you are guilty by association. If you are against TMers you are a hero to be admired. If you are not opposed to the TMers, then you are guilty of enabling them. There's only black and white in their personal outlook. If you are a German TMer you are a Nazi; if you are a Jew TMer, you are a Nazi; if you are from Texas, you are a Nazi; if you live in Canada, you are a Nazi. It's that simple. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : A hockey-playing Nazi? If you are a hockey-playing TMer, you are a Nazi according to MJ. It's al black and white, Ann. Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Fasting to death, to me, is the most purifying and high tapas -- the sattvic way of mindfully dying. I was suggesting a way out for Willya way he could expiate all his sins before he reached the Pearly Gates. Am I not beneficent unto the minions? All you have demonstrated is why you and some of the other informants should never have been allowed to do any work for the TMO; to be allowed to bake bread and live in a pod or a TM Center for free. And, a few good reasons never to have made you a spiritual teacher - you sucked at it. If Willy really wants to be certain he cleans house, he could do the fasting while sitting in the middle of four fires -- I think Arjuna did that to get some boon. And, apparently you are prejudiced against Hindus. Go figure. A selfie during it would be required -- or "didn't happen."
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > > On 9/13/2014 8:02 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Mike, I see that you have not recanted this comment of yours. You should. > He will use any tragedy, down to and including the Nazi holocaust, if he thinks it will help him win a religious debate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Does this mean that in MJ's world if you're German then you're a Nazi? Does this mean that because I'm a dual citizen Canadian that I am a hockey player? It means, in MJ's and Edg's world, you are guilty by association. If you are against TMers you are a hero to be admired. If you are not opposed to the TMers, then you are guilty of enabling them. There's only black and white in their personal outlook. If you are a German TMer you are a Nazi; if you are a Jew TMer, you are a Nazi; if you are from Texas, you are a Nazi; if you live in Canada, you are a Nazi. It's that simple. A hockey-playing Nazi? Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
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But Richard, wayback read Edg's words in my post! Did she think I was making it up?! All she had to say was that's harsh too, or that's over the line too. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:38 AM, "pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Steve's words cross a line for wayback but not Edg's words when he told Richard to stop eating and die?! It's a common problem when informants who don't read all the messages posted here before they post their own comment. It's like a guy or a gal invited to a dance party so they can meet gals or guys, and they just lean up against the back wall drinking beer or smoking. Or, it's like a guy at a cafe social gathering who just sits in the back room at a table by himself and plays with his iPhone or his laptop. The only time he looks up is to order another drink from the bar. Then, after they get quite drunk, they stand up and shout at the rest of the party something like "WTF - NUKE YOU!", "YOU REMIND ME OF A PEDOPHILE PRIEST", or "STOP EATING. DIE!" These types of schizophrenic individuals are usually found in an asylum, not encouraged to post more hate comments on social media. In a social setting they would probably be asked to leave and then the cops would be notified. It's like a scene out of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest." Go figure. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:05 AM, "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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Ann, for me it's more about the scapegoating and ganging up which I think is unhealthy and wrong no matter who the target is. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:47 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Steve's words cross a line for wayback but not Edg's words when he told Richard to stop eating and die?! I think, Share, it mostly comes down to who says it. We all have the ones here we support and like more than others. We all tend to be a bit more forgiving when the ones we like and support say something a bit questionable. Many times our way of showing our "forgiveness" is to say nothing. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:05 AM, "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I never read that Edg had told someone to stop eating and die. Suicide pushes a button for me, obviously. What 7th ray wrote seemed to cross a line, for me. I suspect that Edg himself could care less. And he does not need me to defend him. I just spoke up cause it seemed a harsh response. Perhaps it was harsh but I think, given the context, it was not as harsh as the mere words suggest. I also think if you took a little more time and had a quick glance at a sampling of the posts that show up here in any average week you would see many similar comments either directly stated or implied. I just found it interesting and inconsistent that out of all of the insults hurled around here you would pick out that particular one and so I had a question in my own mind about your sincerity or lack of hypocrisy given who you choose "hang out with" here.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Steve's words cross a line for wayback but not Edg's words when he told Richard to stop eating and die?! I think, Share, it mostly comes down to who says it. We all have the ones here we support and like more than others. We all tend to be a bit more forgiving when the ones we like and support say something a bit questionable. Many times our way of showing our "forgiveness" is to say nothing. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:05 AM, "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : So Steve's words cross a line for wayback but not Edg's words when he told Richard to stop eating and die?! It's a common problem when informants who don't read all the messages posted here before they post their own comment. It's like a guy or a gal invited to a dance party so they can meet gals or guys, and they just lean up against the back wall drinking beer or smoking. Or, it's like a guy at a cafe social gathering who just sits in the back room at a table by himself and plays with his iPhone or his laptop. The only time he looks up is to order another drink from the bar. Then, after they get quite drunk, they stand up and shout at the rest of the party something like "WTF - NUKE YOU!", "YOU REMIND ME OF A PEDOPHILE PRIEST", or "STOP EATING. DIE!" These types of schizophrenic individuals are usually found in an asylum, not encouraged to post more hate comments on social media. In a social setting they would probably be asked to leave and then the cops would be notified. It's like a scene out of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest." Go figure. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:05 AM, "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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Wayback, you read about what Edg said in my post! Perhaps you think I made it up? If you think I wrote accurately, you can simply say that you find that harsh too. Unless you don't of course. I think scapegoating and ganging up is wrong whether the target is Richard or turq or the TMO. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:15 AM, "waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: I never read that Edg had told someone to stop eating and die. Suicide pushes a button for me, obviously. What 7th ray wrote seemed to cross a line, for me. I suspect that Edg himself could care less. And he does not need me to defend him. I just spoke up cause it seemed a harsh response.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I never read that Edg had told someone to stop eating and die. Suicide pushes a button for me, obviously. What 7th ray wrote seemed to cross a line, for me. I suspect that Edg himself could care less. And he does not need me to defend him. I just spoke up cause it seemed a harsh response. That's because you're new around here and you didn't read the messages BEFORE you posted your comments. You just butted in and called my comments drivel. Your lack of anger is my proof that you really don't care about who lives and dies - as long as it's on a discussion group. So, why should you be angry at anyone? If you took any of this seriously you would have objected to Edg's rants long ago. In fact, you don't seem to object to anything, except maybe my drivel objecting to Edg's rants. Go figure.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > > On 9/13/2014 8:02 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Mike, I see that you have not recanted this comment of yours. You should. > He will use any tragedy, down to and including the Nazi holocaust, if he thinks it will help him win a religious debate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Does this mean that in MJ's world if you're German then you're a Nazi? Does this mean that because I'm a dual citizen Canadian that I am a hockey player? It means, in MJ's and Edg's world, you are guilty by association. If you are against TMers you are a hero to be admired. If you are not opposed to the TMers, then you are guilty of enabling them. There's only black and white in their personal outlook. If you are a German TMer you are a Nazi; if you are a Jew TMer, you are a Nazi; if you are from Texas, you are a Nazi; if you live in Canada, you are a Nazi. It's that simple. Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > > On 9/13/2014 8:02 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Mike, I see that you have not recanted this comment of yours. You should. > He will use any tragedy, down to and including the Nazi holocaust, if he thinks it will help him win a religious debate. Does this mean that in MJ's world if you're German then you're a Nazi? Does this mean that because I'm a dual citizen Canadian that I am a hockey player?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : jedi usually makes a lot of sense to me. But not so much this time. The crucial phrase is: if the Tm org tried to restrict E. And tried is the most crucial word of all. Because lots of people are trying, with rules, etc. to restrict lots of other people ALL THE TIME. As grown ups, it's our job to change the rules we think are wrong. If that doesn't work, then our job is to start another group with another set of rules. It's not easy. But it is simple. This "jedi" message is almost totally non-sensical in comparison to emptybill's esoteric rant, which in itself is confusing, except for the part about being a "dupe." On Sunday, September 14, 2014 6:25 AM, "jedi_spock@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: > --- wrote : > AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's > the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. > It's the fault of someone else. You are not responsible for your acts or your > choices. Free will is an illusion. Yer just a monkey leashed to a > three-strand rope - it's the guna-s after all. > God/ess shoulda been better to you. But He/She is cosmically dishonest. Why else do you think you could be so easily duped. It's your personal Mohini-maya, given to you by God/ess like a Trojan horse presented to yer aggrandizing ego. Yer a dupe alright but at least you haven't been cut to pieces yet. Times agetting short though. > Any more whines to wail on and on about? Tell me emptybill, did Edgar stop seeking after he got into the TM-org? The spectrum of knowledge is vast. A good teacher always refers you to other teachers to fill in the gaps in knowledge. If the TM-org tried to restrict Edgar, it's entirely the org's fault. I can understand his anger and frustration. There was never any need to gather people in groups. If TM does work, it dosen't matter where you are.
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Your blindness becomes you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I never read that Edg had told someone to stop eating and die. Suicide pushes a button for me, obviously. What 7th ray wrote seemed to cross a line, for me. I suspect that Edg himself could care less. And he does not need me to defend him. I just spoke up cause it seemed a harsh response.
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I never read that Edg had told someone to stop eating and die. Suicide pushes a button for me, obviously. What 7th ray wrote seemed to cross a line, for me. I suspect that Edg himself could care less. And he does not need me to defend him. I just spoke up cause it seemed a harsh response.
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So Steve's words cross a line for wayback but not Edg's words when he told Richard to stop eating and die?! On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:05 AM, "waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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Ann, I don't read most posters here on FFL and read less and less as time passes. Some I really enjoy, even though they might be rough. I know that many people (not just Barry) can get tough. We all write things that we would not really say in person to someone else. I am sure that is true re 7th ray in this instance. But those words cross a line, for me, given that you can't read Edg's face or sense his mood in person. 7th ray simply made a mistake, I think.You may feel differently. I stick with what I said.
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jedi usually makes a lot of sense to me. But not so much this time. The crucial phrase is: if the Tm org tried to restrict E. And tried is the most crucial word of all. Because lots of people are trying, with rules, etc. to restrict lots of other people ALL THE TIME. As grown ups, it's our job to change the rules we think are wrong. If that doesn't work, then our job is to start another group with another set of rules. It's not easy. But it is simple. On Sunday, September 14, 2014 6:25 AM, "jedi_sp...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: > --- wrote : > AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's > the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. > It's the fault of someone else. You are not responsible for your acts or your > choices. Free will is an illusion. Yer just a monkey leashed to a > three-strand rope - it's the guna-s after all. > God/ess shoulda been better to you. But He/She is cosmically dishonest. Why else do you think you could be so easily duped. It's your personal Mohini-maya, given to you by God/ess like a Trojan horse presented to yer aggrandizing ego. Yer a dupe alright but at least you haven't been cut to pieces yet. Times agetting short though. > Any more whines to wail on and on about? Tell me emptybill, did Edgar stop seeking after he got into the TM-org? The spectrum of knowledge is vast. A good teacher always refers you to other teachers to fill in the gaps in knowledge. If the TM-org tried to restrict Edgar, it's entirely the org's fault. I can understand his anger and frustration. There was never any need to gather people in groups. If TM does work, it dosen't matter where you are.
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> --- wrote : > AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's > the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. > It's the fault of someone else. You are not responsible for your acts or your > choices. Free will is an illusion. Yer just a monkey leashed to a > three-strand rope - it's the guna-s after all. > God/ess shoulda been better to you. But He/She is cosmically dishonest. Why else do you think you could be so easily duped. It's your personal Mohini-maya, given to you by God/ess like a Trojan horse presented to yer aggrandizing ego. Yer a dupe alright but at least you haven't been cut to pieces yet. Times agetting short though. > Any more whines to wail on and on about? Tell me emptybill, did Edgar stop seeking after he got into the TM-org? The spectrum of knowledge is vast. A good teacher always refers you to other teachers to fill in the gaps in knowledge. If the TM-org tried to restrict Edgar, it's entirely the org's fault. I can understand his anger and frustration. There was never any need to gather people in groups. If TM does work, it dosen't matter where you are.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > > On 9/13/2014 8:02 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Mike, I see that you have not recanted this comment of yours. You should. > He will use any tragedy, down to and including the Nazi holocaust, if he thinks it will help him win a religious debate. That will not continue.
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On 9/13/2014 2:24 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > Well, you got into the "game" much earlier than I and stuck with it much > > longer than I did. I didn't do TTC until 1975 and taught a few courses > > after I returned in 1976 and then about a year later it was announced that > > courses should given over to MIU graduates, who being young, lacked > > experience in life and were like robots teaching. Local folks didn't take > > to that so along with the fee hike, the announcement of TM-Sidhis, > > initiations began to drop. --- wrote : > So, you didn't live in a room at the TM Center for eight years? Or, initiate > 2,000 people? Or, spend five years in the golden dome without earning a > degree at MUM? You must have been a slacker. Go figure. > > Plus, I was a bit "peripheral" to the local movement and hung out with > > people who taught yet had careers. They also liked to check out other > > organizations and books and I was well advised to keep such explorations > > "secret." Plus before I started TM I had already tried some other > > techniques including Advaita ones. I tried TM to see what an "official" > > mantra might do. I didn't find out how "unofficial" those mantras were > > until I returned from TTC and read up on them in a book on the Vedas, > > mentioning they were often practiced by Hindu couples before having sex! :-D > There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Vedas, for sex or otherwise. Bija > mantras come from the Tantras and Hindu sex comes from the Kama Sutra. And, > there are no "Advaita" meditation techniques. Even Edg knows that. When a person desires to have sex with his wife, he should say "By the name of Allah, O' Allah, protect us from Satan and keep the Satan away from what you bestow upon us." IBN ABBAS reported The Prophet Muhammad said: "When a person has sex with his wife and recites this Du'a (supplication) , If Allah gives them a baby, Satan will not harm it" Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.493 > > > On 09/13/2014 09:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: > > > I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, > > > Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed > > > myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was > > > SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! > > > I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame > > > through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass > > > muster, but others.yessh. > > > I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe > > > place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies > > > pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always > > > crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how > > > thick the mask I wore was. > > > I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, > > > THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, > > > etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I > > > did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, > > > of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the > > > debacle. > > > After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was > > > me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By > > > then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely > > > normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been > > > psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to > > > justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's > > > work." > > > But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the > > > "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited > > > and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least > > > more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school > > > that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the > > > fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. > > > There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas > > > time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. > > > And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all > > > the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any > > > other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very > > > hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of > > > course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. > > > Gr.
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But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > > On 9/13/2014 8:02 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Mike, I see that you have not recanted this comment of yours. You should. > He will use any tragedy, down to and including the Nazi holocaust, if he thinks it will help him win a religious debate.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 9/13/2014 2:24 PM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, you got into the "game" much earlier than I and stuck with it much longer than I did. I didn't do TTC until 1975 and taught a few courses after I returned in 1976 and then about a year later it was announced that courses should given over to MIU graduates, who being young, lacked experience in life and were like robots teaching. Local folks didn't take to that so along with the fee hike, the announcement of TM-Sidhis, initiations began to drop. > So, you didn't live in a room at the TM Center for eight years? Or, initiate 2,000 people? Or, spend five years in the golden dome without earning a degree at MUM? You must have been a slacker. Go figure. > Plus, I was a bit "peripheral" to the local movement and hung out with people who taught yet had careers. They also liked to check out other organizations and books and I was well advised to keep such explorations "secret." Plus before I started TM I had already tried some other techniques including Advaita ones. I tried TM to see what an "official" mantra might do. I didn't find out how "unofficial" those mantras were until I returned from TTC and read up on them in a book on the Vedas, mentioning they were often practiced by Hindu couples before having sex! :-D > There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Vedas, for sex or otherwise. Bija mantras come from the Tantras and Hindu sex comes from the Kama Sutra. And, there are no "Advaita" meditation techniques. Even Edg knows that. Another Program for the hot sex? Something's gotta give! ( the title of a Jack Nicholson movie modeled after you-know-who. Even the houses are nearby as well as my fatal heart attack, > On 09/13/2014 09:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 9/13/2014 1:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. > YOU WILL NEVER BAKE CUPCAKES FOR BEVAN EVER AGAIN! > But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > Mike, I see that you have not recanted this comment of yours. You should. YOU DID NOT PASS A SINGLE COURSE AT MUM IN TWELVE YEARS. > From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:steve.sundur@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis. you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. > YOU WILL NEVER BAKE CUPCAKES FOR BEVAN EVER AGAIN! > But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > YOU DID NOT PASS A SINGLE COURSE AT MUM IN TWELVE YEARS. > From: "st
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Why, it's obvious, Dan. Seventhray MUST DIE!! Between the anti-Semitic posts and the death wishes, I think I better get my people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that. What will it take for you to forgive?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. > On 9/13/2014 10:32 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Classic. Here is a guy who is commenting about a post he hasnt' even read. Does it get any better than that? Susan was just getting all self righteous in her response to Steve, bawee. Don't worry. > And talking about a book he hasn't even read. Where is Judy when we need her? Well, between Dan, you, Steve and I we're tryin' to keep bawee honest. I think it would be easier to convince MJ to become a TM teacher though. > I never read Barry's posts. From: "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:wayback71@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:wayback71@... wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that. > On 9/13/2014 2:50 PM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > I find this quite fascinating that of all the crapola that is flung around here you choose to single out this one. Your faux bleeding heart is annoying. > You would think that if anyone is going to get upset about something that was posted to FFL, they would have objected to someone being told to "Stop eating. Die." Then again, if she is anti-social, why would she want to take up for me or you or anyone else? Go figure. Ms Wayback can tolerate bawee, in fact she positively yearns for his participation here, so why is she getting so picky about Steve's remark? These are the things I would like to know. Subject:The War Monger is attacking us again and again. Author: Duveyoung Forum: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:55:35 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118168.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118168.html
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On 9/13/2014 5:22 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Fasting to death, to me, is the most purifying and high tapas -- the sattvic way of mindfully dying. I was suggesting a way out for Willya way he could expiate all his sins before he reached the Pearly Gates. Am I not beneficent unto the minions? If Willy really wants to be certain he cleans house, he could do the fasting while sitting in the middle of four fires -- I think Arjuna did that to get some boon. A selfie during it would be required -- or "didn't happen." > All we want to know is how you cured yourself - it's not important what Willy does or doesn't do. >
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are truly a fucking idiot - I was making a facetious (look that word up if you don't know what it means) reference to Sal's seemingly teflon coating that kept folks from reviling him. It was not in any way a refererence to "status" but your TM Nazi mentality translated it that way for you. Why don't you do read Mein Kampf with Nabby - I think he keeps his well thumbed copy right next to his copy of M's Gita. > On 9/13/2014 2:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Not cool.Change that. > Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong. > *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof hey goof ball, you complained that you were not given the same status as Edg and Sal, by those so called TM defenders. Look it up. Or don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that. > On 9/13/2014 2:50 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > I find this quite fascinating that of all the crapola that is flung around here you choose to single out this one. Your faux bleeding heart is annoying. > You would think that if anyone is going to get upset about something that was posted to FFL, they would have objected to someone being told to "Stop eating. Die." Then again, if she is anti-social, why would she want to take up for me or you or anyone else? Go figure. Subject:The War Monger is attacking us again and again. Author: Duveyoung Forum: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:55:35 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118168.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
On 9/13/2014 2:24 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, you got into the "game" much earlier than I and stuck with it much longer than I did. I didn't do TTC until 1975 and taught a few courses after I returned in 1976 and then about a year later it was announced that courses should given over to MIU graduates, who being young, lacked experience in life and were like robots teaching. Local folks didn't take to that so along with the fee hike, the announcement of TM-Sidhis, initiations began to drop. > So, you didn't live in a room at the TM Center for eight years? Or, initiate 2,000 people? Or, spend five years in the golden dome without earning a degree at MUM? You must have been a slacker. Go figure. > Plus, I was a bit "peripheral" to the local movement and hung out with people who taught yet had careers. They also liked to check out other organizations and books and I was well advised to keep such explorations "secret." Plus before I started TM I had already tried some other techniques including Advaita ones. I tried TM to see what an "official" mantra might do. I didn't find out how "unofficial" those mantras were until I returned from TTC and read up on them in a book on the Vedas, mentioning they were often practiced by Hindu couples before having sex! :-D > There are no bija mantras mentioned in the Vedas, for sex or otherwise. Bija mantras come from the Tantras and Hindu sex comes from the Kama Sutra. And, there are no "Advaita" meditation techniques. Even Edg knows that. > On 09/13/2014 09:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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On 9/13/2014 2:11 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Unfortunately you have none nor any sense of decency or common sense either - no wonder since you did TM for so long > Non sequitur. An inference or conclusion that does not follow from the premises or evidence. > *From:* "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:38 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof and sorry back to you Wayback. your shaming play isn't going to work you show a little outrage about MJ's lampooning of the FF community outreach for suicide prevention and maybe we'll talk. and I seem to have missed your outrage at some the posts Edg has made here. it's called having balls, wayback ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that.
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On 9/13/2014 2:09 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: you are truly a fucking idiot - > /Ad hominem/ is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong. > I was making a facetious (look that word up if you don't know what it means) reference to Sal's seemingly teflon coating that kept folks from reviling him. It was not in any way a refererence to "status" but your TM Nazi mentality translated it that way for you. Why don't you do read Mein Kampf with Nabby - I think he keeps his well thumbed copy right next to his copy of M's Gita. *From:* "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof hey goof ball, you complained that you were not given the same status as Edg and Sal, by those so called TM defenders. Look it up. Or don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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On 9/13/2014 1:38 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: and sorry back to you Wayback. your shaming play isn't going to work you show a little outrage about MJ's lampooning of the FF community outreach for suicide prevention and maybe we'll talk. and I seem to have missed your outrage at some the posts Edg has made here. it's called having balls, wayback > "Stop eating. Die." Subject:The War Monger is attacking us again and again. Author: Duveyoung Forum: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:55:35 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118168.html > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that.
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On 9/13/2014 1:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. > YOU WILL NEVER BAKE CUPCAKES FOR BEVAN EVER AGAIN! > But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. > YOU DID NOT PASS A SINGLE COURSE AT MUM IN TWELVE YEARS. > *From:* "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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On 9/13/2014 12:59 PM, waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You nailed it here, Edg. Good summary. Those who had a definite life plan, or a strong desire to have a specific career, or who really wanted to make it or be successful moneywise would never have stayed in the TMO. The people who stuck around or at least gave it a good 10 years in the TMO all went thru some version of what you write about. And you had kids and a comfy life in many ways - so why rock that boat. From what you write, it sounds as if you really truly literally believed those things that were told to you - 5-8 yrs, personality transformation etc. That makes it hard. > He said he got "bupkis. " >
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On 9/12/2014 8:28 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. > "Did you ask him about his practice of targeting his female students as sex partners?" Subject: John Hegelin: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump Author: Michael Jackson Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:21:47 -0800 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg303833.html > *From:* "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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Why, it's obvious, Dan. Seventhray MUST DIE!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that. What will it take for you to forgive?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. > On 9/13/2014 10:32 AM, awoelflebater@... mailto:awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Classic. Here is a guy who is commenting about a post he hasnt' even read. Does it get any better than that? Susan was just getting all self righteous in her response to Steve, bawee. Don't worry. > And talking about a book he hasn't even read. Where is Judy when we need her? Well, between Dan, you, Steve and I we're tryin' to keep bawee honest. I think it would be easier to convince MJ to become a TM teacher though. > From: "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:wayback71@...[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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Fasting to death, to me, is the most purifying and high tapas -- the sattvic way of mindfully dying. I was suggesting a way out for Willya way he could expiate all his sins before he reached the Pearly Gates. Am I not beneficent unto the minions? If Willy really wants to be certain he cleans house, he could do the fasting while sitting in the middle of four fires -- I think Arjuna did that to get some boon. A selfie during it would be required -- or "didn't happen."
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TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! Exactly - the whole thing was based on a fat lie. > On 9/13/2014 12:36 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: > Mikey, Nice summary. But let's allow Daveyoung to say his peace before we summarize it in one sentence. You get to do that all the time. There's more to it than your sentence. > Apparently they were both held against their will - one was forced to sleep on the floor at the TM Center and one of them got a pod to sleep in. What I want to know is why they didn't just get a job and pay their own rent? Niether one seems to have graduated from school. Go figure. > *From:* Duveyoung *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:44 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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On 9/13/2014 12:25 PM, waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. > "Stop eating. Die." Subject:The War Monger is attacking us again and again. Author: Duveyoung Forum: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:55:35 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118168.html > Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that.
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On 9/13/2014 12:32 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr. Now Daveyoung, The next step is trying to be of use to others. For their benefit, this time. > He just can't seem to stop talking about himself - it's always about him. Maybe it's time for him to pay back all that money he took from the 2,000 poor students he sold the mantras to. What happened to all the money? Have you noticed that we never hear from any of the 2,000 poor students he initiated. >
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On 9/13/2014 12:04 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! Exactly - the whole thing was based on a fat lie. > WAKE UP - TM WILL GIVE YOU EXACTLY NOTHING. The fat lie is that you thought TM was something. All you were doing was baking bread and thinking things over and trying to get laid. Stop bullshitting us. > *From:* Duveyoung *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:44 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. > On 9/13/2014 10:32 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Classic. Here is a guy who is commenting about a post he hasnt' even read. Does it get any better than that? Susan was just getting all self righteous in her response to Steve, bawee. Don't worry. > And talking about a book he hasn't even read. Where is Judy when we need her? > *From:* "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. It's the fault of someone else. You are not responsible for your acts or your choices. Free will is an illusion. Yer just a monkey leashed to a three-strand rope - it's the guna-s after all. God/ess shoulda been better to you. But He/She is cosmically dishonest. Why else do you think you could be so easily duped. It's your personal Mohini-maya, given to you by God/ess like a Trojan horse presented to yer aggrandizing ego. Yer a dupe alright but at least you haven't been cut to pieces yet. Times agetting short though. Any more whines to wail on and on about?
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On 9/13/2014 10:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. > YOU WILL NEVER BAKE BREAD ON THE MUM CAMPUS AGAIN > *From:* "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. *From:* "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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On 9/13/2014 10:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He suggested Edge kill himself, like the real sattvic example of what kind of guy TM creates that he is. > For the record here is what Edge suggested: "War Monger, you utterly vile scum, Are you really so deeply into the "dark side" that you're now trying to get our group's minds here to think of Arab children as terrorists? With the below post, you show yourself to be a scurrilous propagandist and culture raper as diseased as Karl Rove. There's thousands upon thousands of good-hearted actions of Arab children in Iraq today and every single day, but you send to us the below to try to skew our minds into paranoia and blind murderous racism. You are such a fucking lost soul. Stop eating. Die. What a piece of shit you are to be so openly espousing the killing of children for profit and using your intellect to spin, obfuscate, deny, ignore, and abuse TRUTH. You are the equivalent of a pedophile priest -- you quote scriptures, pose as a teacher of great scholarship, but you're just trying to find ways to get others to be racists-that-love-raping third world children with bullets instead of erections. Truly, you are one sick fuck to spew so relentlessly your MINDFUL evil psychic pus with such an arrogant intent to harm our FFL spiritual community." Subject:The War Monger is attacking us again and again. Author: Duveyoung Forum: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:55:35 -0700 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg118168.html > *From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. *From:* "waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr. Great post.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that. I find this quite fascinating that of all the crapola that is flung around here you choose to single out this one. Your faux bleeding heart is annoying.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are truly a fucking idiot - I was making a facetious (look that word up if you don't know what it means) reference to Sal's seemingly teflon coating that kept folks from reviling him. It was not in any way a refererence to "status" but your TM Nazi mentality translated it that way for you. Why don't you do read Mein Kampf with Nabby - I think he keeps his well thumbed copy right next to his copy of M's Gita. Not cool. Change that. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof hey goof ball, you complained that you were not given the same status as Edg and Sal, by those so called TM defenders. Look it up. Or don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! Exactly - the whole thing was based on a fat lie. MJ, for once, just try and do justice to that last post of Edg's and be just a tad more sophisticated in your proclamations and simple-minded assertions. Edg couldn't have said what he said better - just leave it at that. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, you got into the "game" much earlier than I and stuck with it much longer than I did. I didn't do TTC until 1975 and taught a few courses after I returned in 1976 and then about a year later it was announced that courses should given over to MIU graduates, who being young, lacked experience in life and were like robots teaching. Local folks didn't take to that so along with the fee hike, the announcement of TM-Sidhis, initiations began to drop. Plus, I was a bit "peripheral" to the local movement and hung out with people who taught yet had careers. They also liked to check out other organizations and books and I was well advised to keep such explorations "secret." Plus before I started TM I had already tried some other techniques including Advaita ones. I tried TM to see what an "official" mantra might do. I didn't find out how "unofficial" those mantras were until I returned from TTC and read up on them in a book on the Vedas, mentioning they were often practiced by Hindu couples before having sex! :-D They are good for Sex! I'm NEVER MISSING A MEDITATION FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, or any sex. I LOVE IT! :-D (that's My Name) P.S. While I was having sex a fight seems to have broken out between Steve and Mike. What's it over? What's happened? Who started it? I may be able to intervene here. Interventions anybody? On 09/13/2014 09:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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Thank you MIchael. Best to you as well. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Unfortunately you have none nor any sense of decency or common sense either - no wonder since you did TM for so long From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof and sorry back to you Wayback. your shaming play isn't going to work you show a little outrage about MJ's lampooning of the FF community outreach for suicide prevention and maybe we'll talk. and I seem to have missed your outrage at some the posts Edg has made here. it's called having balls, wayback ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that.
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Michael,, LIsten, this was probably 500 posts ago, being that you make close to 100 posts per week, all with the same theme, of course. Maybe you've forgotten the context. It was pretty clear to me, it wasn't the big joke you make it out to be, but bring it up if you want and we can discuss it. But, now that we've gotten that immediate business out of the way, let me comment on your latest amusement, nazis, Hitler, Mein Kampf. You do make the most of your obsession. I'll give you that. What a shame your universe is so small. There's a lot out there to see Michael. I know South Carolina is a beautiful place. The world is bigger than just the TMO. Really. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are truly a fucking idiot - I was making a facetious (look that word up if you don't know what it means) reference to Sal's seemingly teflon coating that kept folks from reviling him. It was not in any way a refererence to "status" but your TM Nazi mentality translated it that way for you. Why don't you do read Mein Kampf with Nabby - I think he keeps his well thumbed copy right next to his copy of M's Gita. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof hey goof ball, you complained that you were not given the same status as Edg and Sal, by those so called TM defenders. Look it up. Or don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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Well, you got into the "game" much earlier than I and stuck with it much longer than I did. I didn't do TTC until 1975 and taught a few courses after I returned in 1976 and then about a year later it was announced that courses should given over to MIU graduates, who being young, lacked experience in life and were like robots teaching. Local folks didn't take to that so along with the fee hike, the announcement of TM-Sidhis, initiations began to drop. Plus, I was a bit "peripheral" to the local movement and hung out with people who taught yet had careers. They also liked to check out other organizations and books and I was well advised to keep such explorations "secret." Plus before I started TM I had already tried some other techniques including Advaita ones. I tried TM to see what an "official" mantra might do. I didn't find out how "unofficial" those mantras were until I returned from TTC and read up on them in a book on the Vedas, mentioning they were often practiced by Hindu couples before having sex! :-D On 09/13/2014 09:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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Unfortunately you have none nor any sense of decency or common sense either - no wonder since you did TM for so long From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof and sorry back to you Wayback. your shaming play isn't going to work you show a little outrage about MJ's lampooning of the FF community outreach for suicide prevention and maybe we'll talk. and I seem to have missed your outrage at some the posts Edg has made here. it's called having balls, wayback ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that.
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you are truly a fucking idiot - I was making a facetious (look that word up if you don't know what it means) reference to Sal's seemingly teflon coating that kept folks from reviling him. It was not in any way a refererence to "status" but your TM Nazi mentality translated it that way for you. Why don't you do read Mein Kampf with Nabby - I think he keeps his well thumbed copy right next to his copy of M's Gita. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof hey goof ball, you complained that you were not given the same status as Edg and Sal, by those so called TM defenders. Look it up. Or don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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Richard, I agree with what you say, that we all go down the rabbit hole to some extent. And it's good to just accept that that's part of being human. On Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:43 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > >Edg, I just wanted to do a drive-by and say that I've been appreciating your >recent rants. They've been very honest and very real and obviously far too >real for many here. > >I haven't bothered to chime in with, "Yeah, what he said..." yet, but not because I haven't felt that. I just knew that the shaming thing would start and I didn't want to be even a peripheral part of another re-run of that silly soap opera, so I've been staying out of it. > >But you're a writer and we all know how writers need occasional feedback. So mine is "Good stuff. Keep it up, Bro." > > On 9/13/2014 6:40 AM, salyavin808 wrote: > > >Seconded with gusto, I've always liked Edg's style and passion. It's easy to >forget that he lived it more than most of us and his opinions carry weight for >that reason alone. > > >It's easy for certain others to try and dismiss it as "all his own fault or >taking it seriously" even though they take it seriously themselves! Talk about >cognitive dissonance in action! Falling down the rabbit hole one more time... > > It's probably accurate to say that we all fell "down the rabbit hole" to a certain extent, but some a lot more than others. The important point is what we each did with our experience. Did you enjoy? We don't know exactly why some people latched onto the TMO for prestige, for money, free rent and/or bread to eat. We don't know what they did after they got kicked out. All we know is what they want to reveal in this discussion. There's probably a lot more to these stories than what meets the eye. Maybe some things are better left unsaid. Go figure. > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > >What the hell don't we understand about "this isn't about us" ? ? ? > >I'm not even a messenger; just a kibitzer in the crowd, and some of you want me shamed outta here or whatever -- how rare is the truth sought here when all of us are so vulnerable to being correctly dismissed as damaged goods? See someone's flaws and have at it hoss -- but don't call your lust to thrust a personality dynamic of a "knower of reality." Geeze, learn a lesson from Maharishi here...at least he knew how to handle hostility coming from someone on the mike -- almost always graciously(I can think of a couple exceptions, but . . . ) > >It's not important if anyone here approves of any statement, or not. What's important is that THIS RECORD of the minds of a few survivors of the TMO be at least registered here. > >Over the years here, although I've changed my mind, yes I have, due to some of the arguments here, let's face it, this place is not about attempting to formulate statements upon which we all can agree. Instead, we get so much head bashing. Let this be on the record too sayeth moi -- let the whole messy-ness of it, the soul swampy steam coming off of it, let it all be recorded here. > >If I am a miscreant out to propagandize to a few minds here -- let it be recorded. > >This...all of thisdone by true believers lo these many decades. > >Hey it's sci-fi now but an actuality that's coming soon enough is that there's going to be a tech that will make use of all this jabbering of ours -- and who the fuck knows what wisdom can be mined herein by some A.I. engine around the corner, eh? > >Some sooperdooper A.I. that would rule the world would at least be able to buddy up with the likes of the sorry spiritual drunks almost passed out in the corners of Rick's Place. We'd be on our knees e-praying in about ten minutes flat once an A.I. god told us we were "special." > >Who can't be easily pegged by their postings here? > >Everyone's put out all this data about themselves without even thinking twice about how it could all be put into a dossier with which A.I. can grok a p
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hey goof ball, you complained that you were not given the same status as Edg and Sal, by those so called TM defenders. Look it up. Or don't. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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is that the 100th, or 1000th time you have said that in some manner? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : We know what your agenda is. You don't know anything except your own self absorbed TM is good blather. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Oh, Michael, you are the gift that keeps on giving. And was the post right after that? One Michael Jackson lampooning the Fairfield community's effort for suicide prevention. So, what conclusion do we draw from this? Michael shows outrage at Ray's question to a 70 year old man about ending his life, (keep in mind that Edg has probably suggested dozens of times that certain individuals here deserve to die violent, painful deaths), but scoffs at a community coming together to address suicides. Can you say hypocrite? or how about HYPOCRITE. Michael, excuse me for not being taken in by all your faux outrage. We know what your agenda is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He suggested Edge kill himself, like the real sattvic example of what kind of guy TM creates that he is. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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Share, We know fairness, honesty, integrity are qualities that don't show up on MIchael's radar, at least for anything to do in a discussion about the TMO. The goal is singular, and the ends justify the means. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Steve, good catch! And not only did he scoff, he scoffed at something he didn't even read! Cuz if he had read even just the headline, he'd have known that the event was hosted by Fairfield Cares. He wouldn't have had to bait, er, ask me. On Saturday, September 13, 2014 1:09 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Oh, Michael, you are the gift that keeps on giving. And was the post right after that? One Michael Jackson lampooning the Fairfield community's effort for suicide prevention. So, what conclusion do we draw from this? Michael shows outrage at Ray's question to a 70 year old man about ending his life, (keep in mind that Edg has probably suggested dozens of times that certain individuals here deserve to die violent, painful deaths), but scoffs at a community coming together to address suicides. Can you say hypocrite? or how about HYPOCRITE. Michael, excuse me for not being taken in by all your faux outrage. We know what your agenda is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He suggested Edge kill himself, like the real sattvic example of what kind of guy TM creates that he is. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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and sorry back to you Wayback. your shaming play isn't going to work you show a little outrage about MJ's lampooning of the FF community outreach for suicide prevention and maybe we'll talk. and I seem to have missed your outrage at some the posts Edg has made here. it's called having balls, wayback ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
You know one little thing I've discovered in life, Edg? That sometimes I am fixed on a target, or a goal with a certain expectation of a payoff. And as a result of that fixation, I may miss a lot of things that are happening underneath the radar, so to speak, all which are positive, and all of which might have gotten messed up if I had been trying to manage them. Now, maybe that doesn't make any sense, or is too abstract, but that is what came to mind from what you wrote. And what I am also trying to say, which is what I have said in the past, is that I think you have arrived at a pretty good place, in spite of what you say sometimes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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you are like Willy tex either incapable of reading comprehension or just a complete idiot. I have never said anything about you or I having any kind of movement status or credibility equal to Edge. But being a TM trained imbecile, maybe you do have that who's the best kind of status obsession that has for so long tainted the Movement and made it so easy to equate the Movement with a Nazi mentality. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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We know what your agenda is. You don't know anything except your own self absorbed TM is good blather. From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Oh, Michael, you are the gift that keeps on giving. And was the post right after that? One Michael Jackson lampooning the Fairfield community's effort for suicide prevention. So, what conclusion do we draw from this? Michael shows outrage at Ray's question to a 70 year old man about ending his life, (keep in mind that Edg has probably suggested dozens of times that certain individuals here deserve to die violent, painful deaths), but scoffs at a community coming together to address suicides. Can you say hypocrite? or how about HYPOCRITE. Michael, excuse me for not being taken in by all your faux outrage. We know what your agenda is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He suggested Edge kill himself, like the real sattvic example of what kind of guy TM creates that he is. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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Steve, good catch! And not only did he scoff, he scoffed at something he didn't even read! Cuz if he had read even just the headline, he'd have known that the event was hosted by Fairfield Cares. He wouldn't have had to bait, er, ask me. On Saturday, September 13, 2014 1:09 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Oh, Michael, you are the gift that keeps on giving. And was the post right after that? One Michael Jackson lampooning the Fairfield community's effort for suicide prevention. So, what conclusion do we draw from this? Michael shows outrage at Ray's question to a 70 year old man about ending his life, (keep in mind that Edg has probably suggested dozens of times that certain individuals here deserve to die violent, painful deaths), but scoffs at a community coming together to address suicides. Can you say hypocrite? or how about HYPOCRITE. Michael, excuse me for not being taken in by all your faux outrage. We know what your agenda is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He suggested Edge kill himself, like the real sattvic example of what kind of guy TM creates that he is. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
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Fine Michael, whatever you say. But I am not so utterly ignorant to suggest that I have the same status as Edg in matters of the TMO. Yes, compared to you, I have much more to draw on, but you were the one that suggested you are Edg's equal in terms of movement credibility. Grow up MIchael, Stop embarrassing yourself. Can you say Shmoe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are still not fit to wipe his boots - and you are a fine example of what TM creates - an ass. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Hey, MIchael, Just a FYI that I'm sure will go right over your head. I'm not the one who has compared his writing, or his postings to Edg. That distinction belongs to you. If you think you have 100th, er,make that 1000th, of the street cred as Edg, it is just another delusion point for you. Talk about a drop in the ocean! (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Like the most heavily addicted TM'ers you cannot look at your own behavior. You are not worthy of cleaning Edg's boots. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess it shocks me a little to see a 70 year old man throwing a tantrum like a five year old child. And was it a suggestion, or just a question? Look at your own spin. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You suggestion shows you are a real fine example of what kind of person TM turns out. That is pretty low. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:51 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof Edg, why don't you kill yourself? Really, why not? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, I'm pissy, and I threaten physical violence. Eight months of teacher training. 29 years in the chair -- four hours a day -- five of the years in the dome. 2000 initiations 3% of Napa taught Many ATRs, many advance techniques Lived in one room of the center for 8 years and scraped by in order to keep the center open. Moved to FF because The Tubby Fut said we'd have a nuke war.lived in FF from 1981 to 1999. Kids in MSAE all their lives. AND I'M STILL PENT UP ENOUGH TO SLUG SOMEONE WITHOUT FORMAL NOTICE. Where's the beef? We were promised MAGNIFICENT PERSONALITY EVOLUTION. I got bupkis.
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Oh, Michael, you are the gift that keeps on giving. And was the post right after that? One Michael Jackson lampooning the Fairfield community's effort for suicide prevention. So, what conclusion do we draw from this? Michael shows outrage at Ray's question to a 70 year old man about ending his life, (keep in mind that Edg has probably suggested dozens of times that certain individuals here deserve to die violent, painful deaths), but scoffs at a community coming together to address suicides. Can you say hypocrite? or how about HYPOCRITE. Michael, excuse me for not being taken in by all your faux outrage. We know what your agenda is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He suggested Edge kill himself, like the real sattvic example of what kind of guy TM creates that he is. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I don't read any of 7th ray's posts any more, so I don't know what he might have said, but I sure recognize the vibe you're discussing. Something happened at some point and he became really nasty. I've written him off. From: "wayback71@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof You know 7th ray, you just wrote something really awful. Did you think you were being clever? I know someone whose son, who was struggling with depression, was told, online, to go kill himself by his "friend.". This "friend" thought he was being bold and "out there" - he dared him to do it. And the young man did kill himself. His father found the entire year's worth of email exchanges. He took them over to this "friend's" house and showed them to the "friend' and his father. Think about what you wrote. Learn from it. Nothing justifies what you wrote.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
You nailed it here, Edg. Good summary. Those who had a definite life plan, or a strong desire to have a specific career, or who really wanted to make it or be successful moneywise would never have stayed in the TMO. The people who stuck around or at least gave it a good 10 years in the TMO all went thru some version of what you write about. And you had kids and a comfy life in many ways - so why rock that boat. From what you write, it sounds as if you really truly literally believed those things that were told to you - 5-8 yrs, personality transformation etc. That makes it hard.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that. What will it take for you to forgive?
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humbled by Edg's self honesty... On Saturday, September 13, 2014 11:45 AM, Duveyoung wrote: I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! Exactly - the whole thing was based on a fat lie. Mikey, Nice summary. But let's allow Daveyoung to say his peace before we summarize it in one sentence. You get to do that all the time. There's more to it than your sentence. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
[FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr. Now Daveyoung, The next step is trying to be of use to others. For their benefit, this time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
Someone asked, so. What Seventhray wrote in post #396854 is "Edge why don't you kill yourself? Seriously why not?" That is what I was referring to. Sorry 7th ray, having a son with his own issues that I am sure you are doing your best to handle well, does not excuse that post. Even adults can be upset by words like that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof
TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! Exactly - the whole thing was based on a fat lie. From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My anger is my proof I guess I do come off as "blaming" more than I should. Cuz, hey, Willy's right that if I had had any integrity, I would never have allowed myself to be, what?, abused? by the TMO. But, hey, again, TM was SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME THAT INTEGRITY! I was and am still easily interpreted as wacko -- depends on the frame through which you're looking at my stuff. From some frames, I pass muster, but others.yessh. I never had a good plan for life -- always just running to the next safe place where I could maybe get my shit together. Always with exigencies pushing me down the road instead of following my bliss. Fingers always crossed that the technique would change me before everyone found out how thick the mask I wore was. I really was a true believer for a while there, and during that time, THEN, how the TMO handled me could be described as fraudulent, abusive, etc. When I put my faith in you -- give you personal power over me as I did with Maharishi -- the betrayals are all the more bitterbecause, of course, it is so hard to clearly take ownership of ones part in the debacle. After 5 - 8 years, all the initiations, ATRs, yeah, from then on, it was me "holing up" and "hiding out from real life" to a great degree. By then I'd seen clearly that the assholes of the movement were merely normal assholes that had come the to movement and had never been psychologically improved, and never would be improved fast enough to justify bending a knee to their non-enlightened "intent to do Maharishi's work." But by then, I knew myself enough to know I didn't resonate with the "normal life" offerings extant, and so the years flowed past as I waited and hoped I'd get the clarity to target something better...or at least more attainable than enlightenment. Meanwhile the kids were in a school that I could trust more than a public school, I had a dozen irons in the fire for making money in FF, and I had a nice social life and community. There were no other places for me-in-my-fix to go. Or so I thoughtas time passed, karma came and forced me into various "partial" clarities. And of course, anyone evolves given decades of life processing, so all the issues of being in the cult were very transformative as much as any other kind of life would have been. This wisdom-via-aging is then very hard to separate from "wisdom gained because of TM." -- and the TMO of course took credit for the least titch of anyone's improvements. Gr.
