Marek writes snipped:
Also, I agree with you that when there is any experience of
awakening, no matter how transitory, the hook would seem to have been
set and the search for its permanency might begin in earnest. At
least that's been many folks' experience, though Curtis at this point
in
Barry concludes snipped:
Another aspect of the enlightenment process that
one tends to see in other traditions more often
than in the TM movement is just *not caring* where
one is at on the enlightenment scale. The moments
of clear realization are neat, and the moments of
unclear realization are
Rory writes snipped big time:
As for the rest, I'll just reiterate that I am not saying you guys
are damaged -- just that you and Vaj (Curtis less so) seem self-
condemned to repeat yourselves over and over, making broad, sweeping
(and easily disputed) statements without ever getting to your
Thanks U tom for your responce to the emails of
** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
They consider Maharishi and his ideas special. The ideas
come, after all, from someone they consider an enlightened
being, and to whom they feel the gratitude and devotion of
a follower. Curtis and I are not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm simply making a personal observation that much of what you've
written these past few
weeks strikes me as quite silly.
no sweeping generalization there...anyway what you say makes perfect
sense in the context of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comments below:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Rory
Yes, I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon when I was
attempting
to point out the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I dunno Rory. Is Dharmapala a humorless pompous know-it-all with a
horse laugh?
I dunno, Geezer; is she? I guess for you at this moment, maybe!
Thanks for the smiley face. I'll sleep better tonight with your
smiley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
wrote:
I'm simply making a personal observation that much of what you've
written these past few
weeks strikes me as quite silly.
no sweeping
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
wrote:
I'm simply making a personal observation that much of what you've
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote:
Along these same lines, I will say right here that I do *not*
have
the particular gifts -- the clarity, maturity, single-minded
compassion and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rory:
I am basing it on the fact that --to borrow a nice term from
Barry -- where blind spots are involved, there is no *equanimity*;
one is coming from a place of ungrounded attack.
But as I pointed out to
Rory,
This interaction including Marek and Turq's comments on it has been
one of the most fruitful for me on FFL. I want to start by thanking
you for taking the time for making such a detailed response. I think
I understand your points better and you drew good lines where we
disagree. But the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And then they actually expect us to believe that they're
enlightened.
what are you smoking? This is a foolish and incorrect statement.:-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote:
Along these same lines, I will say right here that I do *not*
have
the particular gifts -- the clarity, maturity, single-minded
compassion and
Rory:
I am basing it on the fact that --to borrow a nice term from
Barry -- where blind spots are involved, there is no
*equanimity*;
one is coming from a place of ungrounded attack.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But as I pointed out
Hey, Curtis!
Yes, I feel the same way. It's been a great pleasure; these
conversations with you and with Barry have made me look more closely
at a lot of things, particularly the issue of balance and integrity.
On further reflection, I see that from another angle I am yet again
advocating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
And then they actually expect us to believe that they're
enlightened.
what are you smoking? This is a foolish and incorrect statement.:-)
Love your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff rorygoff@ wrote:
Along these same lines, I will say right here that I do *not*
have
the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Good. I would call him someone dealing out practically ceaseless good
sense. Judy I would
call
something else and it certainly isn't Bodhhisattva.
How about a wrathful-deity Dharmapala? Not all Bodhisattvas are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
And then they actually expect us to believe that they're
enlightened.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
wrote:
Good. I would call him someone dealing out practically ceaseless good
sense. Judy I would
call
something else and it certainly isn't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, same here. That's why I get particularly
annoyed when he falls back into that intellectually
dishonest defensive mode when anything he says is
challenged.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
The real problem with people claiming self evident truth is that
people don't come up with the same ones.
Right, because there is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there anyone out there who *does* believe in the
efficacy of SV fences who has the balls to speak up
and say *why* you believe that? Even if it's just,
Maharishi sez.
That's a good reason, if you believe that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
The real problem with people claiming self evident truth
Rory
Yes, I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon when I was attempting
to point out the self-evident and was watching the apparently willful
(but actually unconscious) machinations of the personality in
maintaining ignorance, but I am not particularly basing my current
observation
Comments below:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rory
Yes, I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon when I was
attempting
to point out the self-evident and was watching the apparently
willful
(but actually unconscious)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Comments below:
**
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Rory
Yes, I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon when I was
attempting
to point out the
Comment below:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
reavismarek@ wrote:
**snip**
Just some haphazard thoughts re the above and the recent remarks
shared between Jim and Curtis, too.
The point that I believe Curtis was making (and the one I feel I'm in
agreement with) is that there is nothing outside of the self that can
be a basis of verification. Thanks for replying.
Marek,
Your response to my earlier post was so excellent and clear that I am
taking some time to respond. I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes, I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon when I was
attempting
to point out the self-evident and was watching the apparently
willful
(but actually unconscious) machinations of the personality in
maintaining
Thanks for your response! And mine below
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim, thanks, and here's my pong to your ping.
Ping pong is my favorite game!
You wrote: not only does Realization feel good, and lead to the
unmistakable conclusion that
Rory
Yes, I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon when I was
attempting
to point out the self-evident and was watching the apparently
willful
(but actually unconscious) machinations of the personality in
maintaining ignorance, but I am not particularly basing my
current
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Along these same lines, I will say right here that I do *not* have
the particular gifts -- the clarity, maturity, single-minded
compassion and patience -- that Judy has manifested over the years in
trying to show the
It was the reference to prosperity fences with
regard to the SV houses that first reminded me of
Poe's story and its Prince Prospero. But interest-
ingly enough, it seems that there may even be a
SV-like reference in Poe's story itself (from
an Internet study guide):
Poe may have drawn upon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Others may read the story and see no parallels
whatsoever to spiritual communities that seem
to close themselves off from the world. I do.
Call me an old populist, but in my book building
fences between yourself
Was it Vaj recently who commented on Judy's tendency
to obfuscate? And Judy who denied she does it? And
was it Curtis who commented on her tendency to glom
onto some unimportant word or phrase and argue about
it endlessly in an attempt to derail the real sub-
stance of the discussion? I think she
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Was it Vaj recently who commented on Judy's tendency
to obfuscate? And Judy who denied she does it? And
was it Curtis who commented on her tendency to glom
onto some unimportant word or phrase and argue about
it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Was it Vaj recently who commented on Judy's tendency
to obfuscate? And Judy who denied she does it? And
was it Curtis who commented on her
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Was it Vaj recently who commented on Judy's tendency
to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Was it Vaj recently who commented on Judy's tendency
to obfuscate? And Judy who denied she does it? And
was it Curtis who commented on her
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote:
No, actually he's gone way over it into actually
lying (and so have you, if you read the posts in
question). In fact, Barry was already heavily
into intellectual dishonesty in his first reply
to me.
The height of the fences, as Barry knows (and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote:
No, actually he's gone way over it into actually
lying (and so have you, if you read the posts in
question). In fact, Barry was already heavily
into intellectual dishonesty
On Jul 2, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Vaj wrote:
Unless of course he was talking of fences as symbols
What's the deal with the no grass-seed? What could be very nice-looking
homes surrounded by neat white picket fences look pretty ridiculous
with hay thrown down all around them.
Sal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Exactly. It's a prosperity fence. Building one, even
if it's a two-foot-high symbolic fence, around your
property will make you more prosperous.
No, sorry, this is just a lame attempt to justify
the mistake you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote:
No, actually he's gone way over it into actually
lying (and so have you, if you read the posts in
question). In fact, Barry was already heavily
into intellectual
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:32 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Unless of course he was talking of fences as symbols
Exactly. As symbols for separating oneself from
the outside world.
I thought so. That was my instinctive take on it.
It's interesting to me that someone who rails on others for
Barry, you are such a douche bag! Nine out of ten
doctors agree. ;-)
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Exactly. It's a prosperity fence. Building one,
even
if it's a two-foot-high symbolic fence, around
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The entire rest of your post, and that of Curtis
(and no doubt that of Vaj when he chimes in), is
also nothing but gross intellectual dishonesty...
I think that you underestimate us and how
nefarious we are, Judy.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:32 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Unless of course he was talking of fences as symbols
Exactly. As symbols for separating oneself from
the outside world.
I thought so. That was my instinctive take
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:11 PM, authfriend wrote:
No, actually he's gone way over it into actually
lying (and so have you, if you read the posts in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:32 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Unless of course he was talking of fences as symbols
Exactly. As symbols for separating oneself from
the outside world.
I thought so. That was my instinctive take
Why is it so difficult for you and Barry and
Vaj to simply say, Oops, I goofed when you've
been caught in a mistake?
They are just like Maharishi, they don't make mistakes. LOL:-0
Hey man; does the Tornados make mistakes ? :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
The entire rest of your post, and that of Curtis
(and no doubt that of Vaj when he chimes in), is
also nothing but gross intellectual dishonesty...
The amazing thing is that the nitwits like
Barry and Curtis and Vaj have yet to figure
out that they could do a *far* better, more
convincing job of discrediting MMY, the TMO,
TM, and TMers *if they were careful to make
only honest, well-thought out criticisms*.
This interested me. Aside
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The amazing thing is that the nitwits like
Barry and Curtis and Vaj have yet to figure
out that they could do a *far* better, more
convincing job of discrediting MMY, the TMO,
TM, and TMers *if they were careful to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
The amazing thing is that the nitwits like
Barry and Curtis and Vaj have yet to figure
out that they could do a *far* better, more
convincing job of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:32 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Unless of course he was talking of fences as symbols
Exactly. As symbols for separating
I believe they honestly can't; it appears that the residual vasanas
or areas of anger, resentment etc. are so ingrained as to belie any
possibility of integrity in those areas.
It is much like trying to show someone the obvious Perfection of what
is: They believe they are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just think it's a neat story, one that has a
lot to say about some aspects of the reclusive
or monastic lifestyle. I've used it (and Hesse's
Magister Ludi) for years in talks about the
potential pitfalls of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe they honestly can't; it appears that the residual
vasanas or areas of anger, resentment etc. are so ingrained
as to belie any possibility of integrity in those areas.
It is much like trying to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
I believe they honestly can't; it appears that the residual
vasanas or areas of anger, resentment etc. are so ingrained
as to
On Jul 2, 2007, at 3:43 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
And a smiley face at the end of a negative
personal putdown doesn't make it positive.
:-)
On Jul 2, 2007, at 4:05 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Have you also noticed that none of these folks who
are rushing to pile on has ever mentioned the
thing that they're really angry about?
They're pursuing Judy's distraction because the real
topic that's pushed their buttons is SV prosperity
fences
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
I believe they honestly can't; it appears that the residual
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I believe they honestly can't; it appears that the residual vasanas
or areas of anger, resentment etc. are so ingrained as to belie any
possibility of integrity in those areas.
It is much like trying to show
Rory wrote:
I believe they honestly can't; it appears that the
residual vasanas
or areas of anger, resentment etc. are so ingrained as to belie
any
possibility of integrity in those areas.
It is much like trying to show someone the obvious Perfection of
what
is: They believe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Have you also noticed that none of these folks who
are rushing to pile on has ever mentioned the
thing that they're really angry about?
I wasn't rushing to pile on; I was pointing out that -- contrary to
Judy's view
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Have you also noticed that none of these folks who
are rushing to pile on
(All two of them...!)
has ever mentioned the
thing that they're really
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
My disagreements with MMY's perspective on human consciousness
has nothing to do with emotions.
I liked your recent post
FWIW, same here. That's why I get particularly
annoyed when he falls back into that intellectually
dishonest defensive mode when anything he says is
challenged.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree about this point.
This is a Vedic sounding poopy pants argument. Claiming to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The real problem with people claiming self evident truth is that
people don't come up with the same ones.
Right, because there is only one self evident truth. The others are
mirasges built out of a lack of
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