Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes very valid point, Fleetwood in experience.  Evolving gradients of 
transformational field effect in reality. Is one thing (CC) as for your self 
and then to another level ascending towards spiritual trans-formative affect in 
well-being with others whence Being rises to being saintly in field effect. Is 
a wonderfully human spiritual sociology and worthy to aspire towards in a 
lifetime.
 JaiGuruDev, 
 -Buck
 

 fleetwood_macncheese wrote :
 
 "I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment going 
on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on cognition, and 
perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, needs to be 
updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge encompassed by the 
Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity to merge such a 
delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of us live.  Unlike 
those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, our 
investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and 
relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships 
with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the 
unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the 
level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, 
with everyone (UC).
 Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, about what 
enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and perfecting 
the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships with 
ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, 
expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our 
role in the world around us.
 PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a 
description of its influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective 
description of the SOC - my little joke.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lawson, what I realized reading your reply is that I don't think of CC as 
enlightened! I guess it's all relative. As for what an enlightened person is 
like, meaning, someone in UC or BC, I think of Nisargadatta smoking and selling 
all those cigarettes and all I can say is: go figger!
 

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy.
 

 If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened 
people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change.
 

 Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to 
make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted 
exactly the way he meant them.
 

 If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was 
wrong  -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities 
as though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened.
 

 Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They 
are lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being 
lower stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be 
challenged or corrected.
 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sounds like MMY, Share..
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you 
have any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

 

 From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and 
effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you 
experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure 
consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

 
















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I will do my best to watch his interview, though my track record for finishing 
these things is abysmal. Yes, it is "pretty bloody intense"; anything that 
heaven and hell can throw at you. Unbounded awareness is more than a catch 
phrase.
 

 I didn't watch the whole thing either. I just started at the beginning and 
listened for about an hour or so...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment going 
on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on cognition, and 
perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, needs to be 
updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge encompassed by the 
Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity to merge such a 
delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of us live.  Unlike 
those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, our 
investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and 
relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships 
with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the 
unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the 
level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, 
with everyone (UC).
 Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, about what 
enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and perfecting 
the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships with 
ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, 
expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our 
role in the world around us.
 PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a 
description of its influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective 
description of the SOC - my little joke.
 

 Check out the new Batgap interview just posted with Sat Shree. The first part 
is about his experience, his physical as well as psychological experiences, of 
his "awakening". I thought the man was very genuine in lots of respects and the 
stages of his personal "enlightenment" which took 7 years and a very wise 
teacher to guide him, were pretty bloody intense. Have a listen if you have the 
time. I would be interested in your take on it if you feel so inclined.
 

 













 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fleetwood, I haven't watched an interview in a very long time but finally did 
so with Rick's interview with Panache Desai. Mainly because I haven't had any 
contact with Panache's work in about 2 years and I was curious. 

I'm really glad I followed that curiosity! Very lively guy, very embodied and 
devoted to helping others live a householder way of life fully and richly. He 
even leads a little process after about an hour. He's big on coming back to the 
breath in challenging moments. So simple and practical! 

  From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    I will do my best to watch his interview, though my track record for 
finishing these things is abysmal. Yes, it is "pretty bloody intense"; anything 
that heaven and hell can throw at you. Unbounded awareness is more than a catch 
phrase.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment going 
on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on cognition, and 
perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, needs to be 
updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge encompassed by the 
Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity to merge such a 
delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of us live. Unlike 
those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, our 
investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and 
relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships 
with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the 
unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the 
level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, 
with everyone (UC).Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, 
about what enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and 
perfecting the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships 
with ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, 
expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our 
role in the world around us.PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I 
wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a description of its influence on us, upward and 
outward, vs. a subjective description of the SOC - my little joke.
Check out the new Batgap interview just posted with Sat Shree. The first part 
is about his experience, his physical as well as psychological experiences, of 
his "awakening". I thought the man was very genuine in lots of respects and the 
stages of his personal "enlightenment" which took 7 years and a very wise 
teacher to guide him, were pretty bloody intense. Have a listen if you have the 
time. I would be interested in your take on it if you feel so inclined.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And I'm not sure that enlightenment has a meaning at all. I think it's just 
itself. Probably more than anything else in our experience.  

 Apples and oranges, Share. I was talking in the context of relative 
enlightenment, not absolute enlightenment. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fleetwood, I once heard Maharishi say about CC was ok, that it has been a 
stepping stone. 

 I love your phrase "investing silence into silence."
 And I'm not sure that enlightenment has a meaning at all. I think it's just 
itself. Probably more than anything else in our experience. 

 

 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   "I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment 
going on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on 
cognition, and perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, 
needs to be updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge 
encompassed by the Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity 
to merge such a delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of 
us live. 
 Unlike those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, 
our investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and 
relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships 
with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the 
unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the 
level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, 
with everyone (UC).
 Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, about what 
enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and perfecting 
the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships with 
ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, 
expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our 
role in the world around us.
 PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a 
description of its influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective 
description of the SOC - my little joke.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lawson, what I realized reading your reply is that I don't think of CC as 
enlightened! I guess it's all relative. As for what an enlightened person is 
like, meaning, someone in UC or BC, I think of Nisargadatta smoking and selling 
all those cigarettes and all I can say is: go figger!
 

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy.
 

 If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened 
people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change.
 

 Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to 
make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted 
exactly the way he meant them.
 

 If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was 
wrong  -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities 
as though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened.
 

 Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They 
are lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being 
lower stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be 
challenged or corrected.
 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sounds like MMY, Share..
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you 
have any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

 

 From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and 
effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you 
experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure 
consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

 
















 


 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I will do my best to watch his interview, though my track record for finishing 
these things is abysmal. Yes, it is "pretty bloody intense"; anything that 
heaven and hell can throw at you. Unbounded awareness is more than a catch 
phrase.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment going 
on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on cognition, and 
perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, needs to be 
updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge encompassed by the 
Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity to merge such a 
delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of us live.  Unlike 
those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, our 
investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and 
relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships 
with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the 
unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the 
level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, 
with everyone (UC).
 Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, about what 
enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and perfecting 
the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships with 
ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, 
expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our 
role in the world around us.
 PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a 
description of its influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective 
description of the SOC - my little joke.
 

 Check out the new Batgap interview just posted with Sat Shree. The first part 
is about his experience, his physical as well as psychological experiences, of 
his "awakening". I thought the man was very genuine in lots of respects and the 
stages of his personal "enlightenment" which took 7 years and a very wise 
teacher to guide him, were pretty bloody intense. Have a listen if you have the 
time. I would be interested in your take on it if you feel so inclined.
 

 













 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fleetwood, I once heard Maharishi say about CC was ok, that it has been a 
stepping stone. 
I love your phrase "investing silence into silence."And I'm not sure that 
enlightenment has a meaning at all. I think it's just itself. Probably more 
than anything else in our experience. 

  From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    "I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment 
going on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on 
cognition, and perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, 
needs to be updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge 
encompassed by the Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity 
to merge such a delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of 
us live. Unlike those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into 
silence, our investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, 
and relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by 
relationships with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life 
easier, the unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun 
at the level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect 
relationships, with everyone (UC).Thanks for bringing that up - I've been 
thinking off and on, about what enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on 
cognizing the Veda, and perfecting the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means 
having perfect relationships with ourselves, and those around us, sentient or 
not. Conversely, these days, expanding the consciousness to CC, means very 
little, if we cannot fulfill our role in the world around us.PS This is what I 
meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a description of its 
influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective description of the SOC - 
my little joke.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Lawson, what I realized reading your reply is that I don't think of CC as 
enlightened! I guess it's all relative. As for what an enlightened person is 
like, meaning, someone in UC or BC, I think of Nisargadatta smoking and selling 
all those cigarettes and all I can say is: go figger!

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy.
If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened 
people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change.
Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to 
make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted 
exactly the way he meant them.
If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was wrong 
 -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities as 
though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened.
Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They are 
lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being lower 
stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be challenged or 
corrected.
L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Sounds like MMY, Share..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you have 
any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

  From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and effortlessly 
settleinward, through quieter levels of thought, until you experience the 
mostsilent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment going 
on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on cognition, and 
perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, needs to be 
updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge encompassed by the 
Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity to merge such a 
delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of us live.  Unlike 
those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, our 
investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and 
relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships 
with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the 
unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the 
level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, 
with everyone (UC).
 Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, about what 
enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and perfecting 
the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships with 
ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, 
expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our 
role in the world around us.
 PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a 
description of its influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective 
description of the SOC - my little joke.
 

 Check out the new Batgap interview just posted with Sat Shree. The first part 
is about his experience, his physical as well as psychological experiences, of 
his "awakening". I thought the man was very genuine in lots of respects and the 
stages of his personal "enlightenment" which took 7 years and a very wise 
teacher to guide him, were pretty bloody intense. Have a listen if you have the 
time. I would be interested in your take on it if you feel so inclined.
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"I don't think of CC as enlightened...". Yes, kind of a grand experiment going 
on these days - The old descriptions of enlightenment, based on cognition, and 
perfection of the sidhis, by those living a monastic lifestyle, needs to be 
updated. As critical and necessary, as the vast knowledge encompassed by the 
Veda, and the science of Yoga, is, so too, is the necessity to merge such a 
delicate and powerful science, with everyday life, how most of us live.  Unlike 
those great saints who dwelt in caves, investing silence, into silence, our 
investments in the world, as householders, are all about people, and 
relationships. CC is a great benchmark, but being surrounded by relationships 
with others, UC becomes a requirement, a means to make life easier, the 
unlocking and fulfillment of Maharishi's goal of world peace, begun at the 
level of the individual (CC), but finding its joy in perfect relationships, 
with everyone (UC).
 Thanks for bringing that up - I've been thinking off and on, about what 
enlightenment means, if we aren't focused on cognizing the Veda, and perfecting 
the sidhis, in a cave. I think it means having perfect relationships with 
ourselves, and those around us, sentient or not. Conversely, these days, 
expanding the consciousness to CC, means very little, if we cannot fulfill our 
role in the world around us.
 PS This is what I meant a few months ago, when I wrote, "UC sucks" - lol - a 
description of its influence on us, upward and outward, vs. a subjective 
description of the SOC - my little joke.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lawson, what I realized reading your reply is that I don't think of CC as 
enlightened! I guess it's all relative. As for what an enlightened person is 
like, meaning, someone in UC or BC, I think of Nisargadatta smoking and selling 
all those cigarettes and all I can say is: go figger!
 

 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy.
 

 If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened 
people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change.
 

 Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to 
make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted 
exactly the way he meant them.
 

 If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was 
wrong  -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities 
as though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened.
 

 Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They 
are lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being 
lower stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be 
challenged or corrected.
 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sounds like MMY, Share..
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you 
have any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

 

 From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and 
effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you 
experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure 
consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

 
















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Lawson, what I realized reading your reply is that I don't think of CC as 
enlightened! I guess it's all relative. As for what an enlightened person is 
like, meaning, someone in UC or BC, I think of Nisargadatta smoking and selling 
all those cigarettes and all I can say is: go figger!
 
  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy.
If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened 
people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change.
Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to 
make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted 
exactly the way he meant them.
If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was wrong 
 -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities as 
though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened.
Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They are 
lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being lower 
stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be challenged or 
corrected.
L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Sounds like MMY, Share..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you have 
any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

  From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and effortlessly 
settleinward, through quieter levels of thought, until you experience the 
mostsilent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Well, research on TM enlightened people is still in its infancy. 

 If you take MMY's words at their most simple, he's saying that enlightened 
people are the most rigid people in teh world and can never change.
 

 Seeing how stress tends to make people more rigid, and less stress tends to 
make them less rigid, I don't think that MMY's words are being interpreted 
exactly the way he meant them.
 

 If he DID mean them the way everyone is hearing them, then perhaps he was 
wrong  -speaking about people living in isolated caves and monastic communities 
as though they are what everyone is like who is enlightened.
 

 Unlike many hear, I don't believe that enlightened people are perfect. They 
are lower-stressed and therefore less likely to make mistakes due to being 
lower stress, but not some font of perfect knowledge that can never be 
challenged or corrected.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sounds like MMY, Share..
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you 
have any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

 

 From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and 
effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you 
experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure 
consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Lawson, what's wonderful is that a lot of lives are being saved, esp in the 
black community, because of this research.

  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    That's a sticky question. In principle, scientists are supposed to make 
data available, but personality and agenda can get in the way.
A law or regulation was passed about a decade ago requiring that any 
researchers doing research funded by the NIH would have to make the raw data 
from such a study easily available to anyone who asked, presumably to address 
this very issue (personalities and agendas). The requirement also affects data 
in studies that never get published.
That's why the TM researchers are REALLY conservative in asking for NIH 
funding, I believe.
>From the most realistic, albeit cynical, perspective, by the time affects have 
>been documented over and over again via private pilot studies, published pilot 
>studies, etc.,  to the point where  pro-TM researchers are pretty darned 
>positive that large-scale studies are going to show that TM works well on some 
>measure, they're willing to apply for NIH funding because they MUST be willing 
>to show the data to anyone who asks.
That's why the TM effects on blood pressure seem more robust than on any other 
topic. They were willing to ask for NIH funding, so they were already pretty 
darned sure what the outcome was going to be.
The same reasons to be skeptical of  Big Pharma research apply to TM research 
is the take-away message -but everyone here already realizes that, I should 
hope.
L 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Lawson, addressing the issue of raw data disclosure, do peer reviewed 
publications require this? If they do, then I assume Fred's research was fine 
in this regard. If they don't, then should they?  

  From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 Eh, Fred has a PhD in Physiology and has published nearly 50 peer-reviewed 
studies on meditation. The fact that he doesn't have a neuroscience dept to run 
doesn't say anything about his research, but is only  about what classes are 
taught at MUM.
He's not a bogus scientist simply because he doesn't run a dept that teaches 
courses in his area of expertise.
Head of a dept at a university is an administrative position, not a teaching 
position.

L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 
We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and blow 
it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other researchers 
look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the very essence of 
bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason for anyone to 
believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 
I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.

Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[wgm4u]

Sounds like MMY, Share..
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you 
have any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

 

 From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and 
effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you 
experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure 
consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 
 

 We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and 
blow it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other 
researchers look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the 
very essence of bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason 
for anyone to believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 
 

 I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.
 

 

 Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

 

 Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.
 

 There's got to be an oxymoron (or two) in there somewhere.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously."

Of course they want to be taken seriously - they just expect everyone in the 
world to accept without question their version of reality which is barking mad.




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 

We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and blow 
it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other researchers 
look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the very essence of 
bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason for anyone to 
believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 

I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.


Just checking the MUM website, the universitydoes not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.


Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.

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The thousands of individuals enjoying the benefits of the Jyotish and Yagya 
Programmes provide the best documentation of the Vedic Science of...  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

When that book gets finished, turq, maybe any successful authors you once 
"dated" can get you a meeting with their publisher (-:
  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    Here's a start on a TM Movement-ese To English Phrasebook:
Phrase: "I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said..."
Translation: "Here's something almost certainly made up that I want to pass 
along as if it were true so people will go 'Whoa!' and think I know more than I 
do..." 

:-)

 

 From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you 
have any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

 

 From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and 
effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you 
experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure 
consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

That's a sticky question. In principle, scientists are supposed to make data 
available, but personality and agenda can get in the way. 

 A law or regulation was passed about a decade ago requiring that any 
researchers doing research funded by the NIH would have to make the raw data 
from such a study easily available to anyone who asked, presumably to address 
this very issue (personalities and agendas). The requirement also affects data 
in studies that never get published.
 

 That's why the TM researchers are REALLY conservative in asking for NIH 
funding, I believe.
 

 From the most realistic, albeit cynical, perspective, by the time affects have 
been documented over and over again via private pilot studies, published pilot 
studies, etc.,  to the point where  pro-TM researchers are pretty darned 
positive that large-scale studies are going to show that TM works well on some 
measure, they're willing to apply for NIH funding because they MUST be willing 
to show the data to anyone who asks.
 

 That's why the TM effects on blood pressure seem more robust than on any other 
topic. They were willing to ask for NIH funding, so they were already pretty 
darned sure what the outcome was going to be.
 

 The same reasons to be skeptical of  Big Pharma research apply to TM research 
is the take-away message -but everyone here already realizes that, I should 
hope.
 

 L 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Lawson, addressing the issue of raw data disclosure, do peer reviewed 
publications require this? If they do, then I assume Fred's research was fine 
in this regard. If they don't, then should they?  
 

 From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 
 
   Eh, Fred has a PhD in Physiology and has published nearly 50 peer-reviewed 
studies on meditation. The fact that he doesn't have a neuroscience dept to run 
doesn't say anything about his research, but is only  about what classes are 
taught at MUM.
 

 He's not a bogus scientist simply because he doesn't run a dept that teaches 
courses in his area of expertise.
 

 Head of a dept at a university is an administrative position, not a teaching 
position.
 

 

 L
 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 
 

 We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and 
blow it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other 
researchers look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the 
very essence of bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason 
for anyone to believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 
 

 I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.
 

 

 Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

 

 Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.
 

 Vedic Astrology Research 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
 
 http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Here's a start on a TM Movement-ese To English Phrasebook:

Phrase: "I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said..."

Translation: "Here's something almost certainly made up that I want to pass 
along as if it were true so people will go 'Whoa!' and think I know more than I 
do..." 


:-)




 From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 


  
wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you have 
any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!






 From: wgm4u 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 


  
Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and effortlessly 
settle 
inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you experience the most silent 
and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 

We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and blow 
it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other researchers 
look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the very essence of 
bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason for anyone to 
believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 

I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.


Just checking the MUM website, the universitydoes not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.


Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.

More likely it's that everyone was so guru-whipped that no one had the balls to 
tell Maharishi names like that were a dumb idea. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

wgm, I heard from a TM teacher friend that Maharishi once said that if you have 
any habits you want to change, good to do so before CC. Because after CC, 
you'll simply witness them!

  From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and 
effortlessly settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you 
experience the most silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure 
consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Lawson, addressing the issue of raw data disclosure, do peer reviewed 
publications require this? If they do, then I assume Fred's research was fine 
in this regard. If they don't, then should they?  

  From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
   
    Eh, Fred has a PhD in Physiology and has published nearly 50 peer-reviewed 
studies on meditation. The fact that he doesn't have a neuroscience dept to run 
doesn't say anything about his research, but is only  about what classes are 
taught at MUM.
He's not a bogus scientist simply because he doesn't run a dept that teaches 
courses in his area of expertise.
Head of a dept at a university is an administrative position, not a teaching 
position.

L



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 
We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and blow 
it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other researchers 
look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the very essence of 
bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason for anyone to 
believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 
I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.

Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 He's not a bogus scientist simply because he doesn't run a dept that teaches 
courses in his area of expertise.
 

 The knowledge of Vedic Astrology is located in the ancient Vedic Literature 
and in the oral tradition of Vedic families of India. It is complete, 
scientific, authentic, and reliable, because it is a revelation of the most 
fundamental level of Nature’s intelligence, the Unified Field of Natural 
Law*—the common basis of all streams of knowledge, where the holistic value of 
Natural Law and specific values of Natural Law function in unison. All theories 
of modern science uphold all disciplines of Vedic Science, because Vedic 
Science is fundamental to modern science.
 

 I'm fairly sure I don't need to add anything to that.
 

 If you want to be taken seriously, I'd distance yourself from craziness. Just 
as a first step. 
 

 It's not that you can't do good research into meditation there, it's the fact 
that your department is based on an untested religious theory that underpins 
it. I haven't seen any evidence for any of the claims vedic "scientists" make, 
so why don't they fess up and say they've got a religion they want to prove? No 
harm in honesty, also no harm in saying that it has practical benefits we can 
exploit, if that is the case, but who isn't going to look into what vedic 
science actually is when they come across it? That's what I mean by them not 
wanting to be taken seriously.
 

 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 
 

 We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and 
blow it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other 
researchers look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the 
very essence of bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason 
for anyone to believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 
 

 I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.
 

 

 Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

 

 Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.
 

 Vedic Astrology Research 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
 
 http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html
 
 Vedic Astrology Research 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
The thousands of individuals enjoying the benefits of the Jyotish and Yagya 
Programmes provide the best documentation of the Vedic Science of...


 
 View on maharishi-program... 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Eh, Fred has a PhD in Physiology and has published nearly 50 peer-reviewed 
studies on meditation. The fact that he doesn't have a neuroscience dept to run 
doesn't say anything about his research, but is only  about what classes are 
taught at MUM. 

 He's not a bogus scientist simply because he doesn't run a dept that teaches 
courses in his area of expertise.
 

 Head of a dept at a university is an administrative position, not a teaching 
position.
 

 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 
 

 We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and 
blow it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other 
researchers look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the 
very essence of bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason 
for anyone to believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 
 

 I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.
 

 

 Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

 

 Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.
 

 Vedic Astrology Research 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
 
 http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html
 
 Vedic Astrology Research 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
The thousands of individuals enjoying the benefits of the Jyotish and Yagya 
Programmes provide the best documentation of the Vedic Science of...


 
 View on maharishi-program... 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. 
 

 We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and 
blow it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other 
researchers look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the 
very essence of bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason 
for anyone to believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. 
 

 I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but 
could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many 
arguments I've had about the ME research over the years.
 

 

 Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

 

 Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be 
taken seriously.
 

 Vedic Astrology Research 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
 
 http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
 
 Vedic Astrology Research 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
The thousands of individuals enjoying the benefits of the Jyotish and Yagya 
Programmes provide the best documentation of the Vedic Science of...
 
 
 
 View on maharishi-program... 
http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/vedic-astrology/research.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/10/2014 4:01 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


Did you *even watch* the video?  Rosenthal said that TM was a "unique 
state of consciousness."  It's not.

>
/The transcendental state is unique to each individual. It is./
>


On 11/10/2014 01:27 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


On 11/10/2014 2:24 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>


Liars who believe their own lies.

>
/You are not even making any sense today. "TM" by definition is is "a 
simple, natural, effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice each 
day while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed." Everyone knows 
that./

>
Transcendental Meditation is a simple, natural, effortless technique 
practiced 20 minutes twice each day while sitting comfortably with 
the eyes closed. - See more at: 
http://www.tm.org/blog/vlog/comparison-of-transcendental-meditation-and-mindfulness/?leadsource=CRM1723#sthash.7pRIC1nV.KFU1pIkb.dpuf 

Transcendental Meditation is a simple, natural, effortless technique 
practiced 20 minutes twice each day while sitting comfortably with 
the eyes closed. - See more at: 
http://www.tm.org/blog/vlog/comparison-of-transcendental-meditation-and-mindfulness/?leadsource=CRM1723#sthash.7pRIC1nV.KFU1pIkb.dpuf


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/10/2014 3:57 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
/>/
"Just checking the MUM website, the universitydoes not have a 
neuroscience department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of 
Maharishi Vedic Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline 
that are researching meditation at other universities."

>
/Most U.S. universities don't have a "department of neuroscience."

It's in the biology department - with other fields such as chemistry, 
computer science, engineering, philosophy, physics, and psychology.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience
>
/

That is because MUM is an arm of a Westernized Hindu cult,

>
/Obviously, you're just prejudiced against Hindus./
>
not a real university and certainly not one dedicated to authentic 
science of any kind.

>
/MUM has one of the top 
Computer Science departments in Iowa.

/>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[wgm4u]

Dr. Johnson says-"The TM technique allows your mind to easily and effortlessly 
settle inward, through quieter levels of thought, until you experience the most 
silent and peaceful level of your own awareness—pure consciousness."

I say-Yes, this is *eventually* true, but in practice it takes many years of 
dedicated practice to achieve this (pure consciousness) and some say even 
lifetimes of practice.

So what MMY teaches is correct, only, the devil (time) is in the details which 
MMY conveniently left out or perhaps didn't know himself. He apparently thought 
after a few years of TM all of your vices would magically disappear and your 
didn't even have to try to get rid of them..what a joke!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Did you *even watch* the video? Rosenthal said that TM was a "unique 
state of consciousness." It's not.


On 11/10/2014 01:27 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


On 11/10/2014 2:24 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>


Liars who believe their own lies.

>
/You are not even making any sense today. "TM" by definition is is "a 
simple, natural, effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice each 
day while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed." Everyone knows that./

>
Transcendental Meditation is a simple, natural, effortless technique 
practiced 20 minutes twice each day while sitting comfortably with the 
eyes closed. - See more at: 
http://www.tm.org/blog/vlog/comparison-of-transcendental-meditation-and-mindfulness/?leadsource=CRM1723#sthash.7pRIC1nV.KFU1pIkb.dpuf 

Transcendental Meditation is a simple, natural, effortless technique 
practiced 20 minutes twice each day while sitting comfortably with the 
eyes closed. - See more at: 
http://www.tm.org/blog/vlog/comparison-of-transcendental-meditation-and-mindfulness/?leadsource=CRM1723#sthash.7pRIC1nV.KFU1pIkb.dpuf


On 11/10/2014 12:21 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


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Under Two Minutes - See more at: The Difference Between Mindfulness 
And Transcendental Meditation In Under Two Minutes 






image 
 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"Just checking the MUM website, the universitydoes not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, 
not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities."

That is because MUM is an arm of a Westernized Hindu cult, not a real 
university and certainly not one dedicated to authentic science of any kind.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/10/2014 2:24 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>


Liars who believe their own lies.

>
/You are not even making any sense today. "TM" by definition is is "a 
simple, natural, effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice each 
day while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed." Everyone knows that./

>
Transcendental Meditation is a simple, natural, effortless technique 
practiced 20 minutes twice each day while sitting comfortably with the 
eyes closed. - See more at: 
http://www.tm.org/blog/vlog/comparison-of-transcendental-meditation-and-mindfulness/?leadsource=CRM1723#sthash.7pRIC1nV.KFU1pIkb.dpuf 

Transcendental Meditation is a simple, natural, effortless technique 
practiced 20 minutes twice each day while sitting comfortably with the 
eyes closed. - See more at: 
http://www.tm.org/blog/vlog/comparison-of-transcendental-meditation-and-mindfulness/?leadsource=CRM1723#sthash.7pRIC1nV.KFU1pIkb.dpuf


On 11/10/2014 12:21 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


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Under Two Minutes - See more at: The Difference Between Mindfulness 
And Transcendental Meditation In Under Two Minutes 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Liars who believe their own lies.

On 11/10/2014 12:21 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:


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Under Two Minutes - See more at: The Difference Between Mindfulness 
And Transcendental Meditation In Under Two Minutes 






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discussion Meditation: Cre...


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[nablusoss1008]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he 
was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. 
He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it 
seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do 
with it'. While Orme-Johnson is a well trained scientist, promoting what you 
are researching certainly would seem to provide ample opportunities for 
confirmation bias. Also, coming up with and publishing negative findings on TM 
would probably get you canned. Of course, Orme-Jonson is retired now.
 

 I happened to be in a library today and the cover of Scientific American was 
devoted to an article entitled The Neuroscience of Meditation which concerned 
itself with changes in the brain and behaviour fostered by mindfulness 
meditation and loving kindness meditation. TM was not mentioned.
 

 In many ways it was like reading articles on TM, as benefits for health both 
physical and mental were brought up. One of the more interesting findings was 
increases in the thickness of the insula and Brodmann areas 9 & 10 of the 
cortex which tend to thin out in older persons. Another effect was reduced fear 
processing by the amygdala. Also a comparison of persons practising loving 
kindness meditation to persons receiving training in empathy revealed that 
while both  groups showed enhanced empathy, but those that received empathy 
training also had sometimes strong negative reactions to the situations 
presented to them that would inspire empathy because they would lose control of 
their emotions, whereas the loving kindness meditation group did not have these 
unstable reactions.
 

 At the very end of the article was a note: Scientific American Archive: The 
Physiology of Meditation by R.K. Wallace & H. Benson 1972. Apparently this was 
the last time Scientific American published an article on meditative practises. 
The words transcendental meditation was still not mentioned. In 1972 TM was 
beginning to get popular as mindfulness or insight meditation is now.
 

 Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience 
department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic 
Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching 
meditation at other universities.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

There's nothing new under the sun.  The techniques for TM were borrowed 
from other paths and traditions. They are fairly well known in India.  
Here's a link to the meditation section in Swami Sivanandas "Mind - It's 
Mysteries and Control" first published in 1935.  You'll see the process 
is mentioned as well as a number of variants.

http://www.dlshq.org/download/mind.htm#_VPID_35

Stop thinking you got anything unique with TM.  It was just fairly 
standard meditation lite for the masses and often given out freely by 
astrologers and ayurvedic practitioners.  It was only new to westerners 
who had not ventured to India.


On 11/09/2014 04:21 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Re "There's not a single person here that'd even test out my imaginings":


I'm game! A while back I posted details on FFL of a variant on "TM" 
that involved effortlessly allowing one's awareness to come back to a 
relaxed focus of attention (instead of to a mantra/syllable/thought) 
that I had tried and found effective - though not as effective as 
using a mantra. I got shouted down!


Have you ever come across a meditation technique that is 
simultaneously as effective as TM and as easy?





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Only three ways, eh?  Scientist?   I have written at length about 
edifying ways to use the mind -- over a 100 times by my count -- each 
time a different "technique."  And I could do a thousand more.


But, seeing as there's not a single person here that'd even test out 
my imaginings, hey, lucky me, cuz now I don't have to try to teach.  I 
loves me some preachin', but teaching is a chore.  No sense even 
handing out the text books in this class.


The strange thing is that I like David's vibe.  It's hard to grudge 
jab at him.  I think he's a very successful true believer -- found a 
way to explain his lifestyle to himself, and not too bothered about 
how inept his explanation might be to FFLers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "There's not a single person here that'd even test out my imaginings": 

 I'm game! A while back I posted details on FFL of a variant on "TM" that 
involved effortlessly allowing one's awareness to come back to a relaxed focus 
of attention (instead of to a mantra/syllable/thought) that I had tried and 
found effective - though not as effective as using a mantra. I got shouted down!
 

 Have you ever come across a meditation technique that is simultaneously as 
effective as TM and as easy?
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Only three ways, eh?  Scientist?   I have written at length about edifying 
ways to use the mind -- over a 100 times by my count -- each time a different 
"technique."  And I could do a thousand more.   

But, seeing as there's not a single person here that'd even test out my 
imaginings, hey, lucky me, cuz now I don't have to try to teach.  I loves me 
some preachin', but teaching is a chore.  No sense even handing out the text 
books in this class.

The strange thing is that I like David's vibe.  It's hard to grudge jab at him. 
 I think he's a very successful true believer -- found a way to explain his 
lifestyle to himself, and not too bothered about how inept his explanation 
might be to FFLers.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This man is not a scientist - his hype is non-scientific. He is a shill for the 
TMO - that's it.




 From: Duveyoung 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:03 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation
 


  
Only three ways, eh?  Scientist?   I have written at length about edifying ways 
to use the mind -- over a 100 times by my count -- each time a different 
"technique."  And I could do a thousand more.   

But, seeing as there's not a single person here that'd even test out my 
imaginings, hey, lucky me, cuz now I don't have to try to teach.  I loves me 
some preachin', but teaching is a chore.  No sense even handing out the text 
books in this class.

The strange thing is that I like David's vibe.  It's hard to grudge jab at him. 
 I think he's a very successful true believer -- found a way to explain his 
lifestyle to himself, and not too bothered about how inept his explanation 
might be to FFLers.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation

[Duveyoung]

Only three ways, eh?  Scientist?   I have written at length about edifying ways 
to use the mind -- over a 100 times by my count -- each time a different 
"technique."  And I could do a thousand more.   

But, seeing as there's not a single person here that'd even test out my 
imaginings, hey, lucky me, cuz now I don't have to try to teach.  I loves me 
some preachin', but teaching is a chore.  No sense even handing out the text 
books in this class.

The strange thing is that I like David's vibe.  It's hard to grudge jab at him. 
 I think he's a very successful true believer -- found a way to explain his 
lifestyle to himself, and not too bothered about how inept his explanation 
might be to FFLers.