Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems

2007-02-15 Thread Gussies mom
Has a vet checked for yeast or mites? Beth Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding any post reagrding Lucy to Michelle. I have not heard from her in several days. I don't want to think about when it may be Junior's turn. He is only 4 and has several problems now.

Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems

2007-02-15 Thread Sally Davis
Hi Beth He was checked out by a vet and there was no infection or mites just the inflammation. A that time he gave Junior a steroid shot and the swelling went down, but it only lasted a couple of days. I do have some Tresaderm that I am going to use on him. It was given to him last spring after

Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems

2007-02-15 Thread Marylyn
. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems Hi Beth He was checked out by a vet and there was no infection or mites just the inflammation

Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems

2007-02-15 Thread Sally Davis
] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:38 PM *Subject:* Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems Hi Beth He was checked out by a vet and there was no infection or mites just the inflammation. A that time he gave Junior a steroid shot and the swelling went down, but it only lasted

Re: Lucy

2007-02-14 Thread Susan Loesch
Please let Michelle know how sorry I am . Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I

RE: Lucy

2007-02-14 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Oh, poor Michelle. She fought so hard for her girl. Sweetest of Bridge vibes to Lucy, and hugs to Michelle. Diane R. Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had

Re: Lucy and Michelle

2007-02-14 Thread Sheila208
My heart breaks for Michelle and I pray that her grief will ease with time. Lucy was so lucky to have someone love her so much. We love and miss Michelle , but understand that she needs time to heal. She will be in my prayers daily. Sheila

Re: Lucy

2007-02-10 Thread TenHouseCats
GLOW to guide sweet lucy's path to the bridge, and to heal michelle's heart. On 2/10/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate

Re: Lucy

2007-02-10 Thread Marylyn
@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Lucy GLOW to guide sweet lucy's path to the bridge, and to heal michelle's heart. On 2/10/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help

Re: Lucy

2007-02-10 Thread Lance Linimon
This is very sad news. I kept hoping for a miracle. Michelle will be in my prayers. Lance On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it

Re: Lucy

2007-02-10 Thread elizabeth trent
Thank you for letting us know - I am so very sorry. Michelle loved Lucy so much. elizabeth On 2/10/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-08 Thread Gina WN
Michelle, I've learned a lot from you and I really value your opinion. I hope that you just take a break from the list mail and take time for yourself right now. Please don't unsubscribe. Gina Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto, Michelle. We all have different feelings

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-06 Thread Marylyn
will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Lucy

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-05 Thread cindy reasoner
Michelle, I just wanted to tell you that you, Lucy and Gray are in my prayers. I am so sorry all of you are having to go through this. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-05 Thread Susan Loesch
Ditto, Michelle. We all have different feelings and opinions -- and nobody is trying to tell you what to do. What is right for one person isn't right for another. One thing I like about the list is the way we play devil's advocate for one another -- sometimes asking hard questions. Then

RE: Lucy

2007-02-05 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy No, at least I haven't heard that. I think when Hideyo typed previous, she meant precious. catatonya wrote: Has Lucy passed? t */Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called

Re: Lucy not eating

2007-02-04 Thread Leslie
Michelle, The thing with force feeding is that it's worth it if it gets them through something, it's not worth it if it doesn't. And the hard thing with that is that you don't know which situation you're in. Give her a day to not eat to see if the appetite will come back of its own accord.

Re: Lucy (michelle, bless you, I'm so sorry I have to say this to you)

2007-02-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I care about you, and really want you to know I say this with every bit of compassion and care I can. I know you are suffering and confused, and desperate. Please know I have Lucy's well-being at heart when I say this to you... No, you are absolutely WRONG! Oh please do NOT attempt home

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-04 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Oh Michelle PLEASE do not leave us.You have been here for me so many times and it just would not be the same without you here.Phaewryn was not trying to hurt you and maybe she misunderstood what you were saying.That is so easy to do while communicating this way.PLEASE reconsider. Sherry

Re: Lucy

2007-02-04 Thread Nina
No, at least I haven't heard that. I think when Hideyo typed previous, she meant precious. catatonya wrote: Has Lucy passed? t */Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called me and I had a long conversation this afternoon, I

Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-04 Thread Barb Moermond
Please don't go Michelle, we all value your knowledge and input and want to be able to help you (whether by advice or just being an ear to hear) as you have helped so many of us. You having Gray there to be a 2nd pair of eyes is a blessing for YOU. Surely, you trust him to tell you if he

Re: Lucy not eating

2007-02-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would do the force feeding if she's not fighting it too much. If she's miserable and fighting it, I may consider it time to make that hard decision. Poor Lucy, your both have my sympathy, it's a tragic twist of fate for both of you. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:

To Michelle Re: Lucy update

2007-02-02 Thread wendy
Michelle, Reading this email just broke my heart. I can hear in your words how very much you love Lucy. I wish I could just hug both of you and do something for you both. No matter how strong my faith is, I always have questions. Everyone doesn't get to experience the natural cycle of life.

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? Dearest Michelle, As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with Spencer. It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown. I'm feeling your pain right through the computer. I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it does

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread Lernermichelle
I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way worse. In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were you, I might just

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Oh.. I meant - to tape it down.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread elizabeth trent
You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread Lernermichelle
oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread elizabeth trent
It sounds like you have such a bond with her. She knows you are taking care of her...mine always seem to know. Please kiss sweet Lucy for me. I'm glad she is able to eat some. elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really

Re: Lucy

2007-02-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just curious, but what about Depo/Dex mixed or some OTHER form of steroid (maybe something you have not tried yet)? Or would that flare her IBD so bad it would make her miserable? And what about lasix for the fluid accumulation? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-02-02 Thread elizabeth trent
I'm sure you've read a ton of material on this, Michelle - I've only just begun to learn about this because of your experience. I found this in the Merck Veterinary Manual (you've probably already seen it)...(looked it up - 1kg = 2.20462262lb) Treatment is directed toward controlling the

Re: Lucy--what to do? - pentoxifylline?

2007-02-02 Thread Lance
I've been praying for Lucy and visualizing her healthy. I've also been looking over various bits of FIP info on the web. I've come across references to pentoxifylline (Trental made by Aventis Pharmaceuticals). I was unable to find a reference to Trental in recent digests, so I'm wondering

Re: Lucy--what to do? - pentoxifylline?

2007-02-02 Thread Lernermichelle
Thank you. I have heard of it, and have read up on it. It seems to help sometimes with FIP. However, it's a blood thinner, and she is really anemic right now, so I would be afraid to try it. Also, I think all the meds I have given her have made her not want to eat much, so I don't think I

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-31 Thread Susan Loesch
I don't know the answer to that. I have had cats die from dry FIP but not wet. The conversation I had with my vet about the wet version was when I was at his clinic in the back - he was working off and on on some of our rescue group's cats and a kitty was brought back to have fluid drawn

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread TenHouseCats
i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Susan Loesch
As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Lernermichelle
With dry fip, it is organ failure and/or anemia. My Buddy died naturally from what probably was dry fip. His pcv was 6 the last time it was measured, a couple of days before. The vet said he should not have been able to stand. But he was on the dex/depo combo shots, and he was literally

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Lernermichelle
yes, you are probably right. It is possible to keep draining it, but how many times do you do that? as long as they are still eating? I don't know. But you probably are right. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:27:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Lernermichelle
Do you know what actually killed them in the end? was it not eating, or breathing difficulty, or anemia, or something else? I am just trying to prepare myself. thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:16:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i know a lot of

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update With dry fip, it is organ failure and/or anemia. My Buddy died naturally from what probably was dry fip. His pcv was 6 the last time it was measured, a couple of days before. The vet said he should not have been able to stand. But he was on the dex/depo combo

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Lernermichelle
Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Michelle - I am crying as I read this email as I know how much you want Lucy to get better and so do I ---I wish I had this power to cure all the sick babies in the world to make a miracle happen.. Michelle - don't think about euthanizing her right now.. she is eating.. and she does not seem to be

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
30, 2007 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Lernermichelle
Hideyo, I am not going to do anything to her right now. I hardly ever euthanize at all, much less while someone is eating. Most of my animals have died at home on their own. I just do not want her to suffer too much in the end, which is why I asked the vet. I think my cat Buddy went

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, I am not going to do anything to her right now. I hardly ever euthanize at all, much less while someone is eating. Most of my animals have died at home

Re: Lucy visualization

2007-01-30 Thread Nina
Oh Leslie thank you! (I gotta tell you lady, I'm crazy about you). Your post encouraging Michelle to visualize Lucy happy and healthy was just perfect. Michelle, you haven't responded to any of this, I don't know if you're too wrapped up in the fear, the research, (the dirt and rock

RE: Lucy visualization

2007-01-30 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy visualization where does death fit into it all? think about the conservation of energy: love doesn't die, it just changes form. so our little furry ones never leave us, they just inhabit a different

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-30 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
to eat.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Do you know what actually killed them in the end? was it not eating, or breathing difficulty

Re: Lucy visualization

2007-01-30 Thread Belinda
Yes and whenever I would show that photo to anyone while Bailey was still here, I would tell them thats the face of an angel! I know he picked that way and that photo to let me know he was OK because it is one of my favorites and I couldn't miss it as a sign.

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-27 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
My tsubomi had fliud in her belly when we took extray and she was felk positive and did not have FIP - I am uncomfortable them telling you that it's FIP because of fluid - will Felk virus not cause fluid in her tummy like it did for tsubomi - may be epogen might be working for her, Michelle.

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-27 Thread Lernermichelle
It's not that she has fluid, it's the amount. At this point it is extremely visible to the naked eye-- it looks like she swallowed a small basketball. It is the way fip bellies look. All i have read about fluid with toxo says that sometimes some can be detected by x-ray.. Nowhere did it

RE: Lucy update

2007-01-27 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
lasix.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update It's not that she has fluid, it's the amount. At this point it is extremely visible

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-27 Thread Lernermichelle
Yes, they said they will give her lasix if/when the fluid makes her uncomfortable. I think she is breathing a little funny, but the vet did not think so much. The problem with lasix is that it leaches nutrients she needs and also risks damage to the kidneys. At some point she will

Re: Lucy update

2007-01-27 Thread wendy
Hi Michelle, I am catching up on all your emails regarding sweet Lucy, and I am sorry that the internist thinks it is FIP. I don't know much about wet FIP, thus I don't know how serious it is. Considering her current health, I'm betting FIP is pretty serious. I hope you are able to find a way

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-21 Thread TenHouseCats
you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if you can't do those things in one swell foop, blame the patient! On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Renee, I think the main difference between the

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-21 Thread Gloria Lane
O yea... medical model. Actually, I think I'd be looking into Acemann or ImmunoRegulin or sometime like that... Best of luck, Gloria On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:05 AM, TenHouseCats wrote: you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as well as in human

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michelle, do you think your vet would be more apt to be positive and helpful (rather than loathe and reluctantly obligatory) if you printed out the studies on the feline interferon Omega that SHOW it's benefit for FIP, FIV, URL, and Stomatitis? I have several you could print and show him, if he's

Re: Lucy-- what to do?

2007-01-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Poor Kerry, You really can't control what the vet's office did or didn't do. I know it's terrible, but does reliving it again and again do anything positive? No. Beating yourself up and reliving regrets can kill you. Please try to remember, YOU did everything YOU could do, and some things were out

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet with

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Renee is who I inherited my colony of feral cats from, some of which are FIV+. Just FYI. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Susan Loesch
Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the kind of reactions you get with epogen, but the times I have used the cat has seemed to feel better. Will be interested in seeing what the

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
How soon did the cat feel better from epogen? In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason not to start the interferon, for sure. I don't know anything about the

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Susan Loesch
He seemed to perk up within 24 hours. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:How soon did the cat feel better from epogen? In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow Michelle - that is a hard one. My gut feeling is that there is no reason

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
directly, but her PCV is slowly going up because of it. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? He seemed to perk up within 24 hours. [EMAIL

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Susan Loesch
Loesch Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? He seemed to perk up within 24 hours. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How soon did the cat feel better from epogen? In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:07:32 A.M. Eastern

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Nina
Dearest Michelle, As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with Spencer. It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown. I'm feeling your pain right through the computer. I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it does sound like she's at least comfortable for the most part.

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
--:-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do? Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought my Valley perked up within a day

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed feverish, so a while later I gave her some fluids. She then ate a small handful of dry EVO on her own. She is just laying there now. She is not grooming. She is definitely worse day by day. That said, she looked

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
attention to that. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? Thanks. I gave her the feline interferon about an hour ago. She seemed feverish, so

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Susan Loesch
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do? Hideyo - you are way more knowledgeable about epogen than I am -- I thought my Valley perked up within a day of having it; I guess that isn't

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
No problem - were you using epogen on Valley to treat anemia due to non CRF? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Lucy--what to do? Blood pressure

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Kelly L
At 10:17 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote: There is no way I could improve on what Nina has said to you. It was beautifully written and expresses what each of us feel in our hearts all too often, I do look back and question my own decisions to at times, make those extraordinary efforts to keep my

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around. her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Kerry Roach
Michelle, This is a tough one for sure..What tests are they waiting results for? Bandy received epogen for 6 wks, and his anemia was non-regenerative...but you know what it worked..We did this before we ever saw the internal med specialist..his pcv went up rather fast considering things,

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
I don't know if she is comfortable. When she is feverish, she definitely isn't. At other times it is hard to tell if she is just weak or also nauseous or painful somewhere. The oncologist said he does not think she has any pain. Maybe it is just fatigue from the anemia and the fevers. She

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Kelly L
At 11:36 AM 1/19/2007, you wrote: Perhaps I have missed something. Have they transfused her, Severe anemia makes the very weak and not eat. When my dog had autoimmune mediated anemia her refusal to eat was the first indication, Epogen is possible depending upon the type of anemia, but to me

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Kerry Roach
Hi Michelle, I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will tell you...Spend time with her and try not to panic...I will always regret what I did with Bandy because I did panic.. So take a deep breath and it will come to you.. Kerry

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below. I think part of the reason is the potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an allergic reaction) and part of the reason is a general shortage of cat blood so

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
What is it that you think you did in panic and regret? Knowing this may help me with the decisions I am making. In a message dated 1/19/2007 2:51:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I have to agree that Nina said it all...and she is right...Your gut will

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? Her HCT was 18 when last tested night before last. They generally only transfuse cats if it gets down to 13 or below. I think part of the reason is the potential reaction to the transfusion (they can have an allergic reaction) and part

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
they don't have a sample anymore. I asked them to run the reticulites from any blood they have, this morning, and they said they don't have any. In a message dated 1/19/2007 3:19:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you have the run the blood type with the

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
She just ate a bunch of little pieces of turkey deli slice, then ate a few more pieces of dry EVO. Her nose was stuffy and now is runny (am using vicks vaporizer and neosenephrine) so that may have made the difference. I think that she does have a URI on top of whatever else she has, and I

RE: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
for CRF kitties - abut it has a great information regarding anemia.. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread cindy reasoner
Michelle, Do you think that immuno-regulin might help her fevers? I don't know anything about what sweet Lucy is going through but I know with my Smokey when he was running a fever he wouldn't eat. I do know that I was having a terrible time with him getting fevers and the immuno-regulin seemed

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
She's on I-R. I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I thought was helping, but then she spiked a fever anyway. So I brought her in to the local vet on Wed and got her .25 ml IV. Her fever spiked highest later that night. If I kept her on it she would not be due for another shot

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Nina
Michelle, Isn't one of the side effects of the IR fever spikes? Am I thinking of something else? Could her fluctuating fever be a reaction to the IR?? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She's on I-R. I was giving it to her sub-q for her URI, which I thought was helping, but then she spiked a

Re: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting it, last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back. She has gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting any fever at all from it. And now she gets fevers on and off all day whether or not it is a

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread BoardMailbox
Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me. Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers, Renee Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:25:49 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do

RE: Lucy--what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? No. Those fever spikes, if they happen, happen immediately after getting it, last about a half hour, and then go away and don't come back. She has gotten I-R in the past for URI's without getting

RE: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
your Lucy so dearly. Don't let him get to you. Lucy's welfare is the most important thing. hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
Craig Clifford. In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me. Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and

Re: Lucy-- what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Kerry Roach
Hi Michelle, Do you have any a/d? Appetite stimulants? I went into panic mode when I took him to the hospital for IV fluids and they had to keep him. We had been doing sub-q's and I should have continued them as he wasn't that bad off until some things went wrong while he was there..Since

Re: Lucy-- what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims (periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news though-- Gray bought her some dry i/d and she got all excited and has eaten a bunch of it several times. At this point I think she has had at least

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread BoardMailbox
Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist. I'm sorry that you are having a bad experience with him. Can you call the Internist rather than Dr. Clifford with your questions? Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and they will have some concrete answers for you tomorrow

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you: 1) you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually has cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred she has been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully

Re: Lucy-- what to do?

2007-01-19 Thread elizabeth trent
I'm glad she is eating some, Michelle. Still remembering you guys in my prayers. elizabeth On 1/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have a/d and appetite stims, but she can't handle the appetite stims (periactin makes her a zomby and does not make her eat). Good news

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread BoardMailbox
Yeah, I guess Dr. Clifford is a bit frustrated about not being able to give you an answer right away. And the calls may be a bit more than he is used to, especially considering how hectic it gets there, but it's certainly understandable why you would need to make those phone calls. As

Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??

2007-01-19 Thread Lernermichelle
Oh, I have read most of the posts about Emily. I forgot-- sorry. I am glad she is doing well. Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 9:00:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer. She had two surgeries and she is getting

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