ct: Shadows and Bramble
> I thought I'd share this
> I had a strange exprience this morning. I got up around 6.30am to go to
the bathroom which is next door to my bedroom. It was dark and I did not put
any lights on as I intended to go back to bed. Of course the cats stay with
me and I
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I thought I'd share thisI had a strange exprience this morning. I got up around 6.30am to go to the bathroom which is next door to my bedroom. It was dark and I did not put any lights on as I intended
Michelle,
Isn't that wonderful that you've had a visit from Bramble! It makes
sense that it would happen when you were sleepy and in that wonderful
state of receptiveness. Don't start doubting! Shortly after Jazzy
passed, I had a visit from her too. I was in the bathroom bru
Michelle,
I too believe it was Bramble coming to visit and let you know he is
OK and still with you, what a wonderful experience!!
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ieve in spirits and that space outside the bathroom is where Bramble liked
to lie. He used to walk from the bedroom and lie there if I was in the
bathroom. It's bizarre but I do wonder if he's found his way home. If he has
then it's the first time I've ever seen the spirit
inbow
circle next to my Jazz, you'll find her picture there. Belinda was so
very kind to include it for me. Why don't you send that lovely photo of
you and Bramble that you sent me? I'm sure everyone would want to see
him and you, you can feel how much love the two of you share.
signing Angel Bramble is a lovely idea - thanks. I just visited the Candle
light service site today for the first time to have a browse wondering how to
add Bramble and it was lovely to see he is already there. The candle light
service wasn't something I was too familiar with but who
Michelle,
I am so sorry for your loss. I felt like I knew Bramble too. I know you are going to miss him so much after spending so much time caring for him. I'm so glad he had such a loving home. You were both lucky to find each other and Bramble knows how much you loved him.
ton
Michelle,
Peace to you and your sweet Bramble. He is surely romping once again,
healthy and full of vigor. You fought hard for him and gave him the love
he deserved.
Hugs,
Del
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Have you tried Immuno-regulin?
Michelle, did you stop giving him that ringworm
medication?
I saw on the FIV list that it's been known to
kill FIV+ cats.
Just want to be sure he's not just having another
bad medication reaction like last time
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I'm so very sorry sweet Bramble is ready to go. We all have come to know and love him through you. He has been so strong and brave and I know that he is telling you he will be fine at the Bridge. We will keep you both in our prayers. There is always a chance that he will make a turn for the b
Oh, Michelle, I'm so, so sorry. My heart goes out to you and Bramble.
Like everyone else on the list, I'm sure, I feel I've grown to know Bramble so
well. He is such a sweet, plucky, gutsy little guy. You two have such a strong
bond, and it's been such an intense and tou
Michelle,
I am so sorry to hear about this, you will know what is best for your beloved Bramble, but in case you wanted to ask him, I have recently had Kat ( Kathleen A. Berard, Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences Practitioner and Holistic Care Consultant KATALYST FOR ANIMAL WHOLENESS, INC
oh, i'm sorry to hear this--but, in an odd way, rejoice that he trusts
you so very much that he could be honest about his wanting to go on.
you have loved him so well and so deeply, and that will never be
forgotten by him, by the critters that have gone before and will
follow after, nor by the peo
I thought I'd better update - it saddens me to say that on Monday I will
most likely be saying goodbye to my boy Bramble. I know I've been here before
wondering if I should put to sleep or not - at all other times I had doubt and
it felt wrong - now it feels right. He hasn'
decrease calories to an animal who's not eating?) and b) far less palatable if my tribe is any indication.
Michelle, how about the oil or water from a can of tuna or mackeral?
Sending best wishes and hoping Bramble will eat soon.
Julie
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nterferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy & Minstrel
Michelle,
Hi, hope Bramble is eating some more today..
I have used a feeding tube in the past...I had a kitty that had lymphosarcoma, so she was put on chemo monthly and had to have a tube which when they did the exploratory and found they couldn't remove the mass they just inserted it then..
and the first thing i said when i came out of the anesthetic after my
second back surgery was, "i guess this means i never will get to take
up skydiving, huh?" i LOVE heights, always wanted to do
parachuting..
yep, we are a STRANGE group of folks
--
MaryChristine
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Parachuting?
You are CRAZY! I'd rather perform home dentistry
with a pair of pliers and an ice pick!
You do have a will that specifies for the care of
your cats if you die, right?
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Dear Michelle
Great to hear that Bramble is enjoying his food---AND eating on his own
now. He's obviously benefiting from your strength---I can't tell you how much I
admire you, Michelle, for signing up for a parachute jump for the donkey
sanctuary. I CAN tell you however that tha
Wow, Michelle! What wonderful news about Bramble! I have my fingers crossed! Best of luck tomorrow; I think what you're doing is fantastic and you have WAY more gumption than I do!
I don't even like being up in the air when I stay inside the plane!
Julie
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That is really great
Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of tomorrow as I&
Today Bramble would only tolerate 25ml of syringe feeding but he ate a full
tin of Purina Gourmet complemetary food along with a few complete food biscuits
a little complete food kitekat meat - all on his own. Fingers crossed he carries
on this way. My mum is on cat care duties for most of
ather than make the liver shake, if you could obtain
the tub of livers, you could simply take the lid off and set it out for Bramble
to see if it would tempt him. Raw liver has tempted some of my kitties
when absolutely nothing else would, and sometimes when they get those taste buds
going, it
Michelle,
Sniffing at food is a good sign and is often a precursor to them starting to eat on their own.
Michelle
ke, if you could obtain the tub of livers, you could simply take the lid off and set it out for Bramble to see if it would tempt him. Raw liver has tempted some of my kitties when absolutely nothing else would, and sometimes when they get those taste buds going, it gets them curious about what els
Yes Bramble is getting periactin - half a tablet 2 times a day. He is also
drinking water and getting extra water with his syringed food so is hydrated.
When the vet weighed him the other day he hadn't actually last too much weight
surprisingly and feels as though he has a put a litt
am sure that you are
already doing that..
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I had to syringe feed Ginger for two weeks, through bad
teeth and
I had to syringe feed Ginger for two weeks, through bad teeth and a bad URI, before she started eating on her own. Cyproheptadine (periactin) did help her some-- I don't remember if Bramble is already getting this or not. Did you try the liver shake?
Michelle
o the sedation
that was necessary to put one in. Do you think something like that
might help Bramble regain some weight and strength?
Nina
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Managing with the syringe feeding of Bramble so far - at least he is
getting the food he needs - he is not overly keen on the syring
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Michelle, you're doing so well, getting
enough food into Bramble. That's great to hear.
He's such a trooper--you both
are!
I'm rooting for him--(and hope for your sake
he decides to eat for himself soon!).
take care
Kerry
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Glad to hear he is still hanging in there... I
kinda suspected he would, he is one TOUGH cat!
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Managing with the syringe feeding of Bramble so far - at least he is
getting the food he needs - he is not overly keen on the syringe but is
tolerating it well. He jumped up for his morning cuddle so will just need to see
how we go. He shows no sign of eating for himself yet. I suspect he
Michelle,
I hate to speak of the possibility of Bramble being near the end, but
from what you say... Do you have any Valium in the house? I have
begged vets to prescribe something for my angels to help them relax in
the last stages of crossing, no one will prescribe anything injectable
for
You and Bramble are in my thoughts,
Michelle!
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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Michelle,
We are all pulling for Bramble.
Joan
Michelle,
I feel for you, and am keeping you and Bramble close to my heart during this tring time.
Big huggs for both of you.
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Bramble went to the vet yesterday. He is probably bodering was was not considered to be too dehydrated - he does still drink water though
Bramble went to the vet yesterday. He is probably bodering was was not
considered to be too dehydrated - he does still drink water though, he was given
some sub-Q fluids but would only tolerate 45ml. The vet gave me some Hills a/d
food to syringe feed him and we have put him on periactin to
I am praying for Bramble!!! I hope all is well.
Hi,
I hope Bramble is feeling somewhat better today. I don't know if you posted or someone else about your kitty having a hot head and ears with a normal rectal temp..I have a 14 yr old that does this all the time..It is his blood pressure...When it is elevated, his ears are red and his he
I keep mentioning this, but I think it is worth trying Immuno-regulin shots. They really helped, I think, when Patches had pneumonia and when Ginger had a URI that gave her a fever and made her not eat anything. There are articles in I-R and FeLV on this group's website. I would assume they help
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Subject: Bramble
Thankyou all for kind words and prayers. I syringed fed a little chicken
soup last night and got his tablets down him but it was not easy. He slept on
my bed most of the night and mostly on top of me. He was so so sick yesterday
- his head was sto
nyone here know anything about that?
I saw this behaviour in my darling Tidge towards the end when she was in
FAIDS so I may have been wrong to think Bramble was still one step before FAIDS,
he is losing weight again fast. Hope I'm wrong this time thinking it's his time
to pass.
P
Michele, I am very sorry to hear Bramble is getting worse. I will pay for you two.
Hug
Alejandra
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Healing prayers to Bramble and to all of the other
sick/missing/troubled furbabies -- I'm so behind it isn't funny, so I
haven't had time to post lately.
=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5
furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arie
I'm sorry to hear that Bramble is taking a dive
for the worse. He's been SUCH a fighter through everything, truly an inspiration
to me, probably to us all! Hopefully he will pull through in typical Bramble
form, I'll send him lots of positive energy over the weekend!
Jennhtt
Oh Michelle,
I hope somehow you are wrong and Bramble's just especially down today.
Go ahead and cry, you certainly have cause. If your intuition is right
and Bramble is too tired to keep fighting... I so hope that's not the
case. You've done so much more than most would ha
I am so sorry to hear about Bramble I have been off and on and tring to follow as best I can but,
Have you tried an animal communicator?
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Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph nodes and refuses to eat showing no interest in food. I force
Michelle – I am sorry, I haven’t
been catching up with all emails – but I just read about Bramble –
I am so very sorry to hear that he is not doing well – I can feel your
pain so much, Michelle –and I wish there were words or way to make you
feel better – please know regardless of his
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Oh, Michelle, I am so sorry
and I completely understand -- we all do -- your anguish over what
poor, brave Bramble is going through. Whatever you decide you need to do to
help him, please never forget that Bramble could not have a more loving and
devoted "mom" tha
Michelle,
I'm sorry Bramble is giving up, he has surely been a brave fella.
Peace and prayers for you and Bramble.
Hugs,Del
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Subject: Bramb
Today Bramble is worse - he is very lethargic, has swollen lymph
nodes and refuses to eat showing no interest in food. I force fed him
bits but he gets stressed by it all. He looks so depressed and I fear that he is
starting to give up - if he is the same over weekend I think I will need to
Bramble managed to eat nearly 2 sachets of cat food yesterday - he won't
touch any of the extra bits I got to try - cottage cheese, ice cream, cream,
butter, etc... He seems to like the John west pressed cod roe though (if he eats
it he can have it). I came home from work and worked
But if his throat is raw and that is the problem, the tomato juice, while tasting good, would probably sting.
I still recommend trying slippery elm for the soreness.
Michelle
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Actually A/D is very simila
Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver
Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little
tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not
eating well...
Tad
Kerry Roach wrote:
I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well
I forgot to mention that my Bandy is on oxazepam transdermal for appetite stimulant..It seems to be working good with no side effects.. He receives this twice daily..You might ask your vet about that...It really seems to work...
Kerry R.__Do You Yahoo
I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or little cottage cheese..
I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when someone is off food with the a/d.
Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and white karo syrup..
Hope he feels better soon.
Kerry and
My vet gave it orally to a cat of mine and it worked
great. However, if the cat is already hungry it seems
unnecessary.
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Have you tried chilling Just Born or one of the mother's milk products on
the market---calories + protein + formulated for catsmaybe mixed with
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It has to be given IV to stimulate appetite.
Michelle
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Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned.
Valium has a weird side effect
t remember why though. I think it would be
safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in
the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little
might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for
Bramble,Nina
No virus found i
I think Bramble is already hungry, he doesn't want to eat because of his
ulcerated nose and Michelle (Lomax) suspects his throat hurts. We were
trying to come up with things that would be soothing.
Nina
Lewis Faye wrote:
Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with
#x27;s a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bram
Nutrical is very good for stimulating the appetite, but my vet says it
has less nutrition than A/D or baby food.
Bonnie
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Subject: Re: Bramble can't eat - i
7;s one of the
ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe.
Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat.
Prayers for Bramble,
Nina
Jenn wrote:
Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to
offer some support
2, 2005 3:46 am
Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
> Any ideas please
>
> Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I
> mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his
> throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can&#x
Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No
new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you
and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without
food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my
throat feel better
ome baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy & MinstrelMichelle
is lips the first few
times to get him to eat it. it is supposed to be complete nutrition.
Nina
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Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to
mind for people.
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Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to
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Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
> Any ideas please
>
> Bramble has Calici
Any ideas please
Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week
- his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry
and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for
him but I think his thr
I returned home to find the ulcer on Brambles nose had been bleeding and he
has sneezed blood everywhere so I phoned the vet and said sorry for pestering
about Bramble again but that I am not prepared to wait 5 days because I know
this is signs that it will only get worse and he can't
then we will swab test for calcivirus and get her on interferon omega if it is calici - it probably is as Bramble just got rid of it and I pray he doesn't get it back.
I told the vet about Brambles seizures and she said if they are just staying as mild as they are then we will leave him alon
Good luck with the ringworm, and Buddy's
sickness. I, too, hope it's not anything that will get passed around
again!
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I discovered yesterday that Bramble is still having very mild seizures - however, now that the revolution is out of his system the seizures are very mild compared to after revolution was given to him. He just freezes with his jaw open for seconds then carries on. He won't eat for a few hours
n available to us here.
Bless you for rescuing Bramble, Buddy and Minstrel from the less than optimum
situation they were in, despite their + status. I wish you the best in
finding what will work best to keep them stable.
Sally in San Jose
skin problem and couldn’t
figure out the reasons, one had been on steroid for years due to the problem. Anyway,
they both stopped giving food with preservatives and start giving filtered
water, and all of sudden, their skin problem went away – Again I am not
sure if this is the solution for Bramble
Oh man NO! Not ringworm too! Are you scratching yet? I hope it's
something that can be treated with the topical and you don't have to
start with the dips. Blessings to that sweet Bramble. Thanks for
letting us know how he's doing.
Keep us posted,
Nina
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2) Prayers for Flavia still - hope she improves soon.
3) Hope George is doing ok.
4) Hope Bones is still doing well
5) Bramble started to scratch his face again so I took him back to the vet. It doesn't resemble ringworm but the vet checked just in case and to rule it out - but the test
Whiskas is not a good quality food, but I realize
that may be ALL he will eat, so don't take this the wrong way. (I know just
recently he was refusing to eat at all)
If you CAN, I would switch him to a high quality
food Michelle, Whiskas is junk, if it's the same stuff over there as it is o
Michelle--Bramble sure has a healthy appetite these
days!
I'm curious--what is Bramble's regular food? --is
it regular, proprietary cat food (knowing how you've said you find it
very difficult to deal with meat or meat products).
Kerry
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Great news about Mr. Bramble!!
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Poor Flavia - Tidge started to eat cat litter when she was getting ill but that went on for months. Sometimes it can be because they are lacking in a vitamin or mineral (can't remember which though), or some cats just like the fe
itter then this is probably unlikely.
As for Bramble well he ate his own breakfast and finished off Minstrel's and then ate a tin of tuna and half a tin of pilchards in sunflower oil about 2 hours later. He has started to put a little weight on too - still has to put more on but he looks much
Michelle – I am so happy and proud
of Bramble – that’s our boy!!! I will continue to pray
that he will continue to get better-
Also, thank you for asking George –
regardless of what shows on his blood work about his liver – I think he
is doing really good – he always finished
I hope Flavia and George are doing ok - I will keep praying for them. Jenn how is bones doing - hope he is ok too?
As for my furboy - Bramble ate nearly a full pouch of whiskers cat food this morning along with 3 slices of chicken and I was so proud of him - he even came out and ate the cat food
Positive vibes coming your wayI am glad Bramble is doing better.
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Bramble has been doing well with the scratching thanks - his skin has improved a lot - only a small scab left now and no fur of course bless him.
The pill that the vet put him on is doing good
Bramble has been doing well with the scratching thanks - his skin has
improved a lot - only a small scab left now and no fur of course bless
him.
The pill that the vet put him on is doing good for his skin but the
steroids will help stop the itch too. It has been a risk assesment really
Hi Michelle,
I wonder if you could find broth with no sodium as some sort of
specialty food for people who can't tolerate sodium in their diets.
You're going to have to spend some time in the grocery store checking
labels! Bramble won't eat the better brands of cat food? Wys
Thanks for the info on nutrition and supplements. Unfortunately for Bramble
I am unable to cook it for him myself or make broth etc... as I am vegan and can
only just manage scraping fish out of a tin (which he isn't eating) or breaking
up ready cooked chicken, or emptying food out
. I'm thrilled to hear that Bramble is hanging in there!
Nina
MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
Michelle--I'm sure you already know this, but thought I'd touch base
anyway--I had to give all my Felv cats broiled chicken for weeks
(there was no way the others were going to sit and watc
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Michelle, it breaks hurt to hear about
Bramble – please know that Bramble is always in my thought and soon he
will recover and start eating –
I wanted to share something with you –
When George couldn’t eat, I told different things, and what he seems to
like the most is
ought I should mention it.
Glad
to hear Bramble is thoroughly enjoying life! All best wishes for the
little sweetheart's continuing recovery---Kerry
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Michelle, be careful with hydrocortisone in cats,
if they lick it off, they can get rapidly low blood sugars, I think I recall
hearing.
Good luck with all the meat and eggs... While I
do eat the stuff, I still get queasy if I get my fingers in a raw egg, so I can
only guess how bad it must
Yes I changed Bramble's diet to organic whiskers instead of usual but he as
scratched his ears whilst he was on the normal stuff as does Minstrel. It could
be dust mite allergy too. Bramble hasn't made anymore mess of his face. I have
been putting E45 cream it - I would usually p
Michelle, I am sorry that Bramble is
having a problem – a skin problem is one of the hardest thing to identify
the cause of – as I read different materials – symptoms tends to
show on their skin easiest as it’s very surface of their body –
Have you happened to change the diet at
all
So he most likely has an allergy and seizure problems and needs treatment for both. I'm not sure if steroids would interact with seizure meds and his heart med.
Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel, BuddyHave a purrfect day
Cherie
Michelle,
I hope things go well with poor Bramble at the vet's tomorrow. You'll both be in my thoughts and prayers.
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The boy was doing so well - I've come home to find he has scratched fur and skin off the side of his face over the last couple of h
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