Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Natalie]

I'm sorry you feel this way - but I have NEVER met any rescuers who were, as
you say, "cut-throat" on anything other than their total dedication for
standing up for the helpless who are abused in more ways than we can
imagine, although many of us believe that we have "seen it all". If they are
anything close to that, at times, it would be perfectly understandable after
being exposed to this work day after day, 24/7, for years. I cringe every
time the telephone rings because I know that most of the time it will start
with "I've got this cat", and the rest will be absolute garbage..
Natalie 

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Yes, I am.  When I originally came to this list, it was because I had a
kitten who tested "light pos" (I have since learned there is no such thing)
and SR was giving me no support whatsoever so I came here for support
instead.   Everyone here wanted to know who the rescue was but I didn't tell
them because I think telling names of rescues is tacky.  Everyone here was
also incredibly supportive when the horror that was visited on myself and my
personal and rescued cats came.  I have been really glad to have this list
over the years.  I love doing rescue but I've learned that other rescuers
tend to be cutthroat and just plain mean to other people.  I think if we
were all nicer to other people and to animals this world would be a much
better place.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor  wrote:

>
> Kelley,
>
> Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue?
>
>
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> >
> > > We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted
and/or
> > > sick
> > > cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate
> people
> > > who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then
> give
> > > them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside
> to
> > > fend for themselves!
> > > Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example:
> > >
> > > Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
> > > A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her
pet
> > > supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She
is
> > > about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED.
> Her
> > > coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to
> stay
> > > in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like
> to
> > > help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at
> this
> > > time.
> > >
> > > There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your
> > > animal.
> > > My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3
cats
> > > because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats
> into
> > > our
> > > home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy
> cat
> > > food is "do you have cable TV?" The response has often been "Yes,
> butI
> > > need it."
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
> > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in
Texas,
> > > giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point
> > > (no,
> > > I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio
> who
> > > appeared to be loving and caring, he "adopted" three free cats from CL
> and
> > > all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
> > >
> > > I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath
> the
> > > and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry
> to
> > > get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are
not
> in
> > > rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can
> > > never
> > > be forgotten.
> > >
> > > As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying
> there is
> > > no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove
> > > otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise
> and I
> > > have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I
> have
> > > not
> > > gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and
> no-kill
> > > begins with NO BIRTH.
> > >
> > > Okay, I wi

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Lorrie]

Peggy,  Shelter workers hear so many phoney reasons why people
have brought in animals that they get very cynical and bitter.
In your case you were helping the Husky, but they didn't know that.

Lorrie


> On 08-05, Peggy Verdonck wrote: 

>I totally agree, but another side of
> the story...I got treated VERY bad by shelter personnel because I
> brought in a stray husky I found on the side of the road! I knew
> they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because I would
> never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
> that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least
> get off the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
> Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog
> in danger!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

[Lorrie]

I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
> nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   




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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Lorrie]

On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote:

> I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking
> to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and
> she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child.

What a crock that is.  I have three grown children, and always had
cats.  None of them smothered my babies. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Lorrie]

>  On 08-05, Edna Taylor wrote:

> I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth
> is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and
> for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. 

So true. They give up their pets for no valid reason at all.
I've heard everything. "We are having a baby" or "the cat
leaves fur on my furniture", or "we are moving and the house is being
staged".  Then there is the very worn out excuse about someone being
allergic.  If I hear this one more time I think I'll deck the person
who tells me this.  True some people are genuinely allergic, but this
is also the most often used excuse to dump a pet.  I had one man tell
me he had a cousin who came to visit and she was allergic. I asked
how often this cousin came and he told me every couple of years
for a weekend!  

Sadly, I've found very few people think of a cat or dog as a lifetime
commitment. Instead they are just "things" to be disposed of when
they get sick, or grow up, or when you move!

Lorrie 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

[Natalie]

I had an old woman call me a few years ago; she spends winters in FL.  She
wanted me to take an old cat as a trade-in for a kitten to be a good
"mouser" in her basement while she was away.
Last year, when our vet's office was opened in the morning (on a major busy
road), there was an open box by the front door with 4 5-6 wk old kittens,
and the mother cat was sitting next to that box!!

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
> nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   




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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

Then, you could live in the country where many (especially men) have the 
attitude that if it isn't a money making crop, mow it.  If I can't sell it , 
get rid of it.  Most of the time that means shooting the critter.  They make 
good practice targets just before hunting season.  I get on my soapbox and have 
earned the name "crazy cat lady.


 Edna Taylor  wrote: 
> 
> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, 
> got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult 
> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the 
> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
> spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many 
> people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
>  
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> > 
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > __-
> > >
> > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > >
> > >
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> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
> > 
> > http://www.rescuties.org
> > 
> > Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> > 
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
> > 
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> > 
> > Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
> > http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
> > 
> > Please help Trooper!
> > 
> > http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
> > 
> > 
> > "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> > can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
> > should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

I have been arond cats and dogs all my life and have never heard of a child 
being smothered.  Lil Bit has to lay on my shoulder, touching bare skin and her 
whiskers tickle but that is all.  Ask her to give you 1 verified instance of a 
cat smothering a child.  She can't find one.  The cat is 12 and probably needs 
extra care and she does not want to take care of it anymore.
 Lorrie  wrote: 
> On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote:
> 
> > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking
> > to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and
> > she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child.
> 
> What a crock that is.  I have three grown children, and always had
> cats.  None of them smothered my babies. 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

To many, they are nothing more than a worn out pair of shoes.  Lots of people 
in the country let their animals run loose and do not get them spayed/neutered 
because it costs too much.  All they would have to do is do without beer and 
cigarettes and soda and all junk food for a month.
 Lorrie  wrote: 
> >  On 08-05, Edna Taylor wrote:
> 
> > I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth
> > is the truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and
> > for, sometimes, what amounts to really stupid reasons. 
> 
> So true. They give up their pets for no valid reason at all.
> I've heard everything. "We are having a baby" or "the cat
> leaves fur on my furniture", or "we are moving and the house is being
> staged".  Then there is the very worn out excuse about someone being
> allergic.  If I hear this one more time I think I'll deck the person
> who tells me this.  True some people are genuinely allergic, but this
> is also the most often used excuse to dump a pet.  I had one man tell
> me he had a cousin who came to visit and she was allergic. I asked
> how often this cousin came and he told me every couple of years
> for a weekend!  
> 
> Sadly, I've found very few people think of a cat or dog as a lifetime
> commitment. Instead they are just "things" to be disposed of when
> they get sick, or grow up, or when you move!
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Natalie]

This is such an old "old wives' tale"; supposedly, a cat will smell the
breath of milk on a baby's mouth, and then try to suck the air out of the
baby's mouth/lungs - how ridiculous for anyone in the 21st Century to use
this lame and idiotic excuse! 
I bet that if questioned further, with supplying the correct info and
suggesting any help, she would probably come right out and admit that she
just doesn't want the cat anymore!

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I have been arond cats and dogs all my life and have never heard of a child
being smothered.  Lil Bit has to lay on my shoulder, touching bare skin and
her whiskers tickle but that is all.  Ask her to give you 1 verified
instance of a cat smothering a child.  She can't find one.  The cat is 12
and probably needs extra care and she does not want to take care of it
anymore.
 Lorrie  wrote: 
> On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote:
> 
> > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking
> > to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and
> > she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child.
> 
> What a crock that is.  I have three grown children, and always had
> cats.  None of them smothered my babies. 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[dlgegg]

tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING 
THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I 
EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO 
LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
 Natalie  wrote: 
> I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
> They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
> strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
> a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
> we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
> abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> 
> The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
> to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
> the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
> They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
> baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
> here.
> 
> I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
> give Nibbles vaccinations.
> I'll let you know what the vet says.
> Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
> to do.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
> wrote:
> 
> > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
> > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
> > effective.
> >
> > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
> keep
> > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
> has
> > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
> > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> >
> > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
> > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> >
> > Keep us posted.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > L
> > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton"  > >
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> >
> >
> >  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
> >> cats.
> >> Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
> >>
> >> I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
> >> make
> >> sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
> >> shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
> >> Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
> >>
> >> Here's the situation:
> >>
> >> *Peaches* (New Cat)
> >> Age: 4.5 yr
> >> Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
> >> vaccination.
> >> Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st & 2nd
> >> feline
> >> leukemia in 2009.
> >> She also had a vaccination in 2010
> >>
> >> I have 3 other cats:
> >> All cats will stay indoors!
> >>
> >> *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
> >> Age: 2.5
> >> Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
> >> shot.
> >> Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors & didn't think that I would
> "rescue"
> >> a
> >> cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
> >> *However, I rescued another cat.*
> >> Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
> it
> >> too late??
> >>
> >> *Littlebit*
> >> Age: 11
> >> Current Feline Leukemia vacc
> >>
> >> *Lacy*
> >> Age: 6 months
> >> Current Feline Leukemia vacc
> >>
> >> What do you think I should do???
> >> Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
> it
> >> too late??
> >> Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??
> >>
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[dlgegg]

If the cat smelled milk on the babies mouth, it might try to lick it off.  I 
have a couple of persistant ones that will try to take food out of my mouth 
when it is something they want.  I take a bite and they come running as soon as 
they smell it, almost have t eat standing up.
 Natalie  wrote: 
> This is such an old "old wives' tale"; supposedly, a cat will smell the
> breath of milk on a baby's mouth, and then try to suck the air out of the
> baby's mouth/lungs - how ridiculous for anyone in the 21st Century to use
> this lame and idiotic excuse! 
> I bet that if questioned further, with supplying the correct info and
> suggesting any help, she would probably come right out and admit that she
> just doesn't want the cat anymore!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:20 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> I have been arond cats and dogs all my life and have never heard of a child
> being smothered.  Lil Bit has to lay on my shoulder, touching bare skin and
> her whiskers tickle but that is all.  Ask her to give you 1 verified
> instance of a cat smothering a child.  She can't find one.  The cat is 12
> and probably needs extra care and she does not want to take care of it
> anymore.
>  Lorrie  wrote: 
> > On 08-05, Joslin Potter wrote:
> > 
> > > I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking
> > > to get rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and
> > > she just can't take that chance of the cats smothering the child.
> > 
> > What a crock that is.  I have three grown children, and always had
> > cats.  None of them smothered my babies. 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

[dlgegg]

I wish I could win a sweepstakes, then I could buy about 500 acres and build 
barns for all my rescues to live in.  Fenced in of course, because I would have 
dogs, cats, horses, burros, whatever.  Then, I woul go around and gather up all 
the strays and neuter/spay and let them enjoy life.  
 Natalie  wrote: 
> I had an old woman call me a few years ago; she spends winters in FL.  She
> wanted me to take an old cat as a trade-in for a kitten to be a good
> "mouser" in her basement while she was away.
> Last year, when our vet's office was opened in the morning (on a major busy
> road), there was an open box by the front door with 4 5-6 wk old kittens,
> and the mother cat was sitting next to that box!!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:10 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people
> 
> I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
> individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
> because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
> It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
> pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
> fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
> boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
> there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> > I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
> > nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

[CATHERINE DIDONNA]

me too. Most rescuers I don't get along with.

--- On Sat, 8/6/11, Lorrie  wrote:


From: Lorrie 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 7:09 AM


I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
> nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.   




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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[CATHERINE DIDONNA]

I agree. I take the flys out of my outside  cat's drinking water to save them.

--- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:


From: dlg...@windstream.net 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 11:49 AM


tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING 
THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I 
EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO 
LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
 Natalie  wrote: 
> I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
> They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
> strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
> a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
> we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
> abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> 
> The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
> to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
> the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
> They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
> baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
> here.
> 
> I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
> give Nibbles vaccinations.
> I'll let you know what the vet says.
> Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
> to do.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
> wrote:
> 
> > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
> > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
> > effective.
> >
> > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
> keep
> > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
> has
> > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
> > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> >
> > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
> > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> >
> > Keep us posted.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > L
> > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton"  > >
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> >
> >
> >  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
> >> cats.
> >> Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
> >>
> >> I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
> >> make
> >> sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
> >> shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
> >> Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
> >>
> >> Here's the situation:
> >>
> >> *Peaches* (New Cat)
> >> Age: 4.5 yr
> >> Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
> >> vaccination.
> >> Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st & 2nd
> >> feline
> >> leukemia in 2009.
> >> She also had a vaccination in 2010
> >>
> >> I have 3 other cats:
> >> All cats will stay indoors!
> >>
> >> *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
> >> Age: 2.5
> >> Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
> >> shot.
> >> Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors & didn't think that I would
> "rescue"
> >> a
> >> cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
> >> *However, I rescued another cat.*
> >> Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
> it
> >> too late??
> >>
> >> *Littlebit*
> >> Age: 11
> >> Current Feline Leukemia vacc
> >>
> >> *Lacy*
> >> Age: 6 months
> >> Current Feline Leukemia vacc
> >>
> >> What do you think I should do???
> >> Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
> it
> >> too late??
> >> Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

We have a no kill shelter here in Lincoln County and the "animal control" 
officers are finally getting the message that shooting them or sticking their 
noses in the exhaust of a car is not the answer.  They bring them to PALS.  
Problem is, PALS is strictly volunteer  and contributions only.  They get no 
help from anywhere so they do not have enough room for all that come in.  Many 
people who are loosing their jobs and homes cannot afford to feed or care for 
them, have to move into rented house that does not allow animals (they do allow 
children who can in many cases be more destructive than animals), so they bring 
them to PALS.  We are having a drive for money for food, blankets, meds and 
toys.  They are very careful about who gets their animals, you have to go there 
and be interviewed before you can adopt.  They want to be sure you will care 
for them and can afford a pet.  What really bugs me is those who give away 
kittens and puppies at Walmart, etc.  They don't know who is taking them and 
why, just want to get rid of them and go home.  Some people will love them, but 
many just give in to the kids and then when no one wants to take care of them, 
they dump them.Like Easter chicks and bunnies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

These days, they don't even try to adopt out their children, they beat them and 
then say they fell out of the high chair.  Or they get drunk and don't realize 
the infant fell into the pool.  Many of tese people whould be FIXED SO THEY 
CANNOT BREED UP CHILDREN THEY DON'T REALLY WANT.  tHEY DO NOT DESERVE A CHILD.


 "D.S.Louis"  wrote: 
> KIDS?   it is called child abuse...happens all the time..Grandmother in 
> Pheonix locked granddaughter in  locker.because she stole a popcycle from 
> the frig.The girls mother left her with the grandmother because 
> GRANDMOTHER was abusive.

SPAY AND NEUTER...

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Joslin Potter  wrote:


From: Joslin Potter 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 3:56 PM


I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to 
the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get 
kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger or realize 
that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It makes you want 
to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to 
ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or 
potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry 
this is a ruff subject for me. 


From: Edna Taylor 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it hard 
to walk and drive a car without a spine?


> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> happened to be orange & white :)
> 
> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
> agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> how will he treat her? Geez!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edna Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> 
> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my 
> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact, 
> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult 
> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> 
> 
> > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
> > adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
> > do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > _

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND
 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
> animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
> to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
> road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
> > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
> > to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
> > there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger 
> > or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It 
> > makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
> > makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
> > they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
> > just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Edna Taylor 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > 
> > YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
> > hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > 
> > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went 
> > > like 
> > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> > > happened to be orange & white :)
> > > 
> > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her 
> > > style. I 
> > > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
> > > any 
> > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> > > how will he treat her? Geez!
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Edna Taylor" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump 
> > > my 
> > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of 
> > > fact, 
> > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add 
> > > insult 
> > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
> > > be 
> > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > >
> > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > > > and
> > > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc 
> > > > etc.
> > > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
> > > > adopters
> > > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on 
> > > > a
> > > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
> > > > do)
> > > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) 
> > > > and
> > > > delivered back to us safely.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

My guys go for mice, moles and such.  I just wish they would get more moles.  I 
cannot even mow my lawn without stepping into a run and falling or the wheels 
get stuck.  Most of the birds around our house are too fast for them.  We also 
have tailess lizards and sinks.

 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> I like that too.  However my husband just called to tell me one of our cats 
> just brought in a bird (we have a cat fence in our backyard) and that the 
> bird is trapped in my computer stand.  Makes me wonder why I love those 
> little bloodthirsty killers.
> 
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:01:19 -0700
> > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> >  i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB!
> > 
> > 
> > From: Edna Taylor 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the 
> > truth, people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, 
> > what amounts to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, 
> > foreclosed homes to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not 
> > supportive and don't care?  No, it means many of us are in rescue and our 
> > homes are usually filled to the brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need 
> > to vent.  Doesn't mean that we no longer want to support and help others, 
> > it means that our hearts are broken and as someone posted on their FB 
> > profile and I copied:
> > 
> > "My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
> > eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, 
> > I promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are 
> > good at something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They 
> > are not only my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > 
> > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
> > > sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[Natalie]

That's exactly how to do it - be nice and accommodating while biting your 
tongue really hard, get the anima(s) - and then POW!  Let 'em have it between 
the eyes! But it just falls on deaf ears, so its purpose is probably more 
therapeutic for us to vent than to make some lasting impression on those 
people, who are probably just plain incorrigible! Maybe they're not even worth 
getting ourselves into a snit and raise our BP!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND
 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
> animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
> to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
> road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
> > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
> > to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
> > there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger 
> > or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It 
> > makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
> > makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
> > they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
> > just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Edna Taylor 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > 
> > YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
> > hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > 
> > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went 
> > > like 
> > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> > > happened to be orange & white :)
> > > 
> > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her 
> > > style. I 
> > > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
> > > any 
> > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> > > how will he treat her? Geez!
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Edna Taylor" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump 
> > > my 
> > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of 
> > > fact, 
> > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add 
> > > insult 
> > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
> > > be 
> > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > >
> > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > > > and
> > > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc 
> > > > etc.
> > > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I thi

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

I have asked my friends ad vet to tell me if thy think I am getting out of 
control and hoarding.  It is so easy to take them in, you want to help them, 
but you have to stop and ask yourself if you can afford to feed and give them 
proper care.  I know 7 is my limit, csts over $80.00 a month for food and 
litter.  May have to cut down on my food (wouldn't hurt me, need to loose a few 
pounds).  I have the basic DISH package - $24.99 that I started with 3 years 
ago.  That gives me the news, Tom & Jerry and the old shows that I want to 
watch, that is enough for me.  Why do people need 250 channels, they can't 
possibly watch them all?  My babies come first.  I have a big Saffari van, can 
take the seats out for my babies and we will just camp out.
 Joslin Potter  wrote: 
> Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does 
> that? She DOES need a neuter!


From: D.S.Louis 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
dogs..

 

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:


From: Lynda Wilson 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten 
for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I 
guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be 
orange & white :)

This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(


> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> delivered back to us safely.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >
> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > throw-away-society!
> > >
> > __-
> >
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

Usually when a cat pees out of the box, their is a reason.  Sometimes it could 
be emotional.  Did you move?  New member of the family, Even new furniture or a 
new furniture arrangement can freak them out.  Nitnoy pees i unexpected places 
because another cat rounds the corner when she does and it frigthens her.  She 
was chased by a raccoon that bit her tail off, leaving a 4" stump.She also 
will wait under or behind something and pounce on them, hissing and screaming 
like crazy.  Like she wants to get them before they get her.  She is getting 
better, but it has only  been a year so I get Nature's Mircle in the economy 
size and mop it up.  You don't throw a child away when they do something wrong 
do you?
 Kelley Saveika  wrote: 
> I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
> nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.We recently had a cat in our
> program who was being advertised on Craigslist because she kept peeing
> outside the box.  Everyone CANNOT keep a cat that keeps peeing outside the
> box.  Everyone is not like us.  Yes, they tried different diets, tests for
> uri, tests for kidney function, different litters and different litter
> boxes.  Nothing worked.  The original rescue refused to take the cat back,
>  kept flagging the CL ads - AND SAID TO HAVE THE CAT PUT DOWN BECAUSE NO ONE
> WANTS A CAT WHO PEES ON THE FLOOR.  These people loved the cat and did not
> want to take her to a shelter.  I stepped in and lent them a condo to keep
> her in so she wouldn't mess the floor while I went so far as to track down
> the original breeder of the cat (in California) .  However we were lucky
> enough to find a foster in Dallas who specializes in cats with pee problems
> who took her in.  I have had a cat returned twice now who pees outside the
> box, again the adopters have tried EVERYTHING and really wanted to keep her.
> 
> 
> I have seen people in my area spend FIVE YEARS spending much of their time
> running a rescue out of business instead of saving lives because they did
> not like the way they did rescue.  Now there is another large rescue people
> hate because they do not like the way they do rescue and instead of saving
> animals actually go around to the various adoption sites pretending to be
> potential adopters and grilling the volunteers.  I am so sick of rescue
> attitudes I could just scream.  Some of the nastiest, vilest people I have
> ever met have been in rescue - and to be fair some of the kindest as well.
> Cruelty to humans is still cruelty.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
> > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
> > glasses.  While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
> > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
> > disposable "things".
> >
> > Lorrie
> >
> > >  On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It
> > > makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
> > >
> >
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> 
> -- 
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> 
> http://www.rescuties.org
> 
> Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> "And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
> can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
> should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue."
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

You get very cynical by the time you have heard "the I found this dog/cat.  So 
many people use that excuse.  When someone who really wants te best for the 
animal comes in, maybe they are the 10th person that day to say that so they 
get blasted.  They are the last straw that broke the camel's back.


 Peggy Verdonck  wrote: 
> I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by
> shelter personnel  because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of
> the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because
> I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
> that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off
> the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
> Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in
> danger!
> 
> On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, "Lorrie"  wrote:
> > This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
> > too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
> > glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
> > uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
> > disposable "things".
> >
> > Lorrie
> >
> >> On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> >
> >> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It
> >> makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
> >>
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

These days, children are disposable.  Just look at all the stories on TV about 
people who lee their children in a hot car so they can go to a restaurant and 
enjoy a nice meal.  Actually had this happen in St. Louis recently.  They went 
into Pasta House.  Someone noticed the children in the car (one of those 102 
degree days) and got a policeman to break into the car and and get them out.  
Parents arrested on child endangerment.


 Lorrie  wrote: 
> This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
> too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
> glasses.  While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
> uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
> disposable "things".
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> >  On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> 
> > Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It
> > makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

For someone like you, it does not decrease their value, but many take them on a 
whim and then realize they have to clean boxes, feed them and take them to the 
vet.  Bottom line, it is easier to just dump them or give them to someone else 
to deal with and then they dn't want them either.


 Kelley Saveika  wrote: 
> According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
> value them any less.  I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is
> not enough money in the world to make me give her up.Giving away cats
> and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
> homes for more animals.
> 
> Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd?  It talks a lot about this
> stuff.  I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis  wrote:
> 
> > Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs
> > this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght
> > in  8 dogs..
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Lynda Wilson 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
> >
> >
> > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a
> > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like
> > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who
> > happened to be orange & white :)
> >
> > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style.
> > I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any
> > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have
> > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then
> > how will he treat her? Geez!
> > - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> >
> >
> > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my
> > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact,
> > got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat
> > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult
> > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the
> > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be
> > spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many
> > people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
> >
> >
> > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > >
> > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel
> > and
> > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my
> > adopters
> > > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will
> > do)
> > > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > > delivered back to us safely.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > > throw-away-society!
> > > > >
> > > > __-
> > > >
> > > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

We are still kind and sensitive, just tired of people who place so little value 
on their animals and children.


 Kelley Saveika  wrote: 
> Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list.  It makes me
> sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Kudos to her :)
> > - Original Message - From: "D.S.Louis" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >
> >
> >  Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs
> >> this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght
> >> in 8 dogs..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Lynda Wilson 
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
> >>
> >>
> >> That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a
> >> kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like
> >> hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who
> >> happened to be orange & white :)
> >>
> >> This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style.
> >> I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
> >> any
> >> other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have
> >> tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then
> >> how will he treat her? Geez!
> >> - Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my
> >> cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of fact,
> >> got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat
> >> outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add 
> >> insult
> >> to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the
> >> types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
> >> be
> >> spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many
> >> people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> >>
> >>
> >>  From: moonv...@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> >>>
> >>> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel
> >>> and
> >>> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> >>> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> >>> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> >>> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> >>> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> >>> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> >>> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my
> >>> adopters
> >>> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> >>> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> >>> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will
> >>> do)
> >>> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> >>> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> >>> delivered back to us safely.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> >>> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> >>> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> >>> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> >>> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> >>> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> >>> > > throw-away-society!
> >>> > >
> >>> > __**-
> >>> >
> >>> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> >>> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> >>> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> >>> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> >>> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > __**_
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> >>> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> > http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**
> >>> felineleukemia.org
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Rescuties - Sa

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

  Thatis why we all end up with 7,8,12 cats.  You can't trust people to do what 
they say they will.  So you end up keeping them.  Also by the time you get them 
healthy, you are too attached to let them go.


 Edna Taylor  wrote: 
> 
> See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where 
> they will end up or what will happen.  I rescued two beautiful Flame Point 
> Himis from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, 
> had ringworm.  Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and 
> getting to know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home 
> that I assumed was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; 
> however, they let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl.  My rules 
> are very clear, no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or 
> giving them away, but people don't listen and do what they want to do.  I 
> know we have all gotten the call "hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, 
> has a bunch of health problems and the microchip comes back to your group" 
> and when you call the adopter, they will not answer your calls or emails.
>  
> One more story about trusting people.  A local rescue group her got a call 
> from the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats 
> (microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to 
> the shelter.  Hard to trust anyone these days :(
>  
> 
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy
> > problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two
> > before leaving. Yes, I agree about "some" rescue groups, but also seldom
> > happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason.
> > With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am
> > at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with
> > the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes
> > on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring
> > back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never
> > hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
> > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> > rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> > whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> > have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> > baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> > form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> > and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> > pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> > delivered back to us safely.
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> > 
> > > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > > throw-away-society!
> > > >
> > > __-
> > >
> > > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
> > > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
> > > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

I am trying to figure out why God doesn't just bring the world to an end - we 
really do not deserve it.  Animals basically only kill for food or protection.  
Man kills for pleasure.  We kill each other for a pair of shoes or because we 
don't like the way different people look or talk, or because we want what they 
have and don't want to work for it.   Then again I think it all boils down to 
GREED, SELFISHNESS, ME, MYSELF AND I.


 Lynda Wilson  wrote: 
> It's a sad, selfish world!!!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lorrie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> > 
> >> I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> >> people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> >> and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> >> to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> >> do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
> >> dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> >> throw-away-society!
> >> 
> > __-
> > 
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
> > all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
> > nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
> > ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
> > 
> > 
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> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[dlgegg]

jUST THINK WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO HER IF SHE FELL INTO THE HANDS OF 
SOMEONE WHO DID NOT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO RETEST.


 Natalie  wrote: 
> FANTASTIC NEWS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:21 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> 
> Hooray!!! I'm sounding the blow horn! Whoohoo, congrats to you both!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martha Walton" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> 
> 
> > Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result!  Good news for
> > Miss Peaches.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[dlgegg]

May she continue to enjoy a good life with people who care.  Good for you 
retesting her and giving her the chance to live.

- Martha Walton  wrote: 
> Peaches was tested for FeLV this morning, negative result!  Good news for
> Miss Peaches.
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[dlgegg]

But it does make me feel better afterwards.  

 Natalie  wrote: 
> That's exactly how to do it - be nice and accommodating while biting your 
> tongue really hard, get the anima(s) - and then POW!  Let 'em have it between 
> the eyes! But it just falls on deaf ears, so its purpose is probably more 
> therapeutic for us to vent than to make some lasting impression on those 
> people, who are probably just plain incorrigible! Maybe they're not even 
> worth getting ourselves into a snit and raise our BP!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 12:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

bUT ONCE i GET THE ANIMAL IN MY HANDS, I USUALLY GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MY MIND
 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> The worse part is that if you're the one in the rescue that is taking the 
> animal in from those kinds of people you can't tell them off because you need 
> to get the animal in hand first so they don't hurt it or just dump it by the 
> road.  Man is it hard to bite your tongue sometimes.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:56:22 -0700
> > From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals 
> > to the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out 
> > there get kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger 
> > or realize that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just "grew up". It 
> > makes you want to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but 
> > makes you want to ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because 
> > they don't listen or potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was 
> > just to hyper.. sorry this is a ruff subject for me. 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Edna Taylor 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > 
> > 
> > YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it 
> > hard to walk and drive a car without a spine?
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
> > > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > 
> > > That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
> > > kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went 
> > > like 
> > > hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
> > > happened to be orange & white :)
> > > 
> > > This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her 
> > > style. I 
> > > agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having 
> > > any 
> > > other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
> > > tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
> > > how will he treat her? Geez!
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Edna Taylor" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump 
> > > my 
> > > cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email. As a matter of 
> > > fact, 
> > > got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
> > > outside in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add 
> > > insult 
> > > to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
> > > types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should 
> > > be 
> > > spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
> > > people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > From: moonv...@gmail.com
> > > > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> > > >
> > > > In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
> > > > and
> > > > judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> > > > Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> > > > always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> > > > something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc 
> > > > etc.
> > > > I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups 

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[dlgegg]

I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they will leave the 
hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded that some were landing on top 
of others, pushing them into the water.  They were drowning so I scooped them 
out on my fingers and spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the 
house for paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out, 
others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so the could 
fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but honeybees are having a hard 
time these days and we need them to pollinate our plants.


 CATHERINE DIDONNA  wrote: 
> I agree. I take the flys out of my outside  cat's drinking water to save them.
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: dlg...@windstream.net 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 11:49 AM
> 
> 
> tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
> THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
> CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
> ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE 
> CROSSING THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE 
> HEADING TO.  I EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE 
> ROAD (HE WAS SO LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
>  Natalie  wrote: 
> > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
> > They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
> > strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
> > a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
> > we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
> > abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
> > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > 
> > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
> > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
> > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
> > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
> > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
> > here.
> > 
> > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
> > give Nibbles vaccinations.
> > I'll let you know what the vet says.
> > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
> > to do.
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
> > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
> > > effective.
> > >
> > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
> > keep
> > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
> > has
> > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
> > > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
> > > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> > >
> > > Keep us posted.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > L
> > > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton"  > > >
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > >
> > >
> > >  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
> > >> cats.
> > >> Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
> > >>
> > >> I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
> > >> make
> > >> sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
> > >> shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
> > >> Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
> > >>
> > >> Here's the situation:
> > >>
> > >> *Peaches* (New Cat)
> > >> Age: 4.5 yr
> > >> Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
> > >> vaccination.
> > >> Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st & 2nd
> > >> feline
> > >> leukemia in 2009.
> > >> She also had a vaccination in 2010
> > >>
> > >> I have 3 other cats:
> > >> All cats will stay indoors!
> > >>
> > >> *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
> > >> Age: 2.5
> > >> Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
> > >> shot.
> > >> Didn't get 

Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

[dlgegg]

He is willing to and can give a cat a bath.  He is a keeper!


 Bonnie Hogue  wrote: 
> Wow, Hang On to _that_ guy!!!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
> 
> well, I don't know whether it makes me sexier but I do have a really cute
> boyfriend who has four cats. When I met him he told me he was a cat person
> and not too crazy about dogs. That certainly got my attention since most
> men have felt threatened by my 4-legged family members.  I would say it
> definitely makes him sexier, especially since he's the only person I know
> who can give a cat a bath.
> 
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:46 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
> 
> http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
> 
> 
> 
> No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[dlgegg]

But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually 
operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed 
and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of 
hamburgers and get them tested. 

 Katy Doyle  wrote: 
> It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat
> instead of testing them.
> 
> Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently
> "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from
> getting exposed to FeLV.
> 
> 
> I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
> positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
> 
> Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case
> =^_^=
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  > wrote:
> 
> > I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
> > indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.  Only if
> > there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out and
> > you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to the
> > virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have been
> > tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
> > either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't
> > need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
> > thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to
> > speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if
> > you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
> >
> > Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt for
> > kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
> >
> > Maureen
> >
> > sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
> >
> > - Reply message -
> > From: "Martha Walton" 
> > Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> >  To: 
> >
> > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
> > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
> > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
> > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
> > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
> > here.
> >
> > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
> > give Nibbles vaccinations.
> > I'll let you know what the vet says.
> > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
> > to do.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
> > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
> > > effective.
> > >
> > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
> > keep
> > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
> > has
> > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
> > > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
> > > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> > >
> > > Keep us posted.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > L
> > > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton" <
> > marthawal...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > >
> > >
> > >  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
> > >> cats.
> > >> Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
> > >>
> > >> I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
> > >> make
> > >> sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with
> > all
> > >> shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
> > >> Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
> > >>
> > >> Here's the situation:
> > >>
> > >> *Peaches* (New Cat)
> > >> Age: 4.5 yr
> > >> Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
> > >> vaccination.
> > >> Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st & 2nd
> > >> feline
> > >> leukemia in 2009.
> > >> She also had a vaccination in 2010
> > >>
> > >> I have 3 other cats:
> > >> All cats will stay indoors!
> > >>
> > >> *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
> > >> Age: 2.5
> > >> Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline
> > Leukemia
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[dlgegg]

That is my vets take on it.  He said keep them isolated to be sure they don't 
have any secondary  infections and to get my negatives up to date on FELV 
shots.  Then let them mix.  Course, I do not adopt out my bunch.  After I have 
had them a week I sm sunk, can't give them up.


 Beth  wrote: 
> In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not 
> even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my vet.
> 
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Lynda Wilson 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
> the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, too. 
> Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> 
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Natalie]

Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be released
into a colony.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed
and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of
hamburgers and get them tested. 

 Katy Doyle  wrote: 
> It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
cat
> instead of testing them.
> 
> Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
Apparently
> "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from
> getting exposed to FeLV.
> 
> 
> I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
> positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
> 
> Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case
> =^_^=
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
 > wrote:
> 
> > I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
> > indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.  Only
if
> > there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
and
> > you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to the
> > virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
been
> > tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
> > either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't
> > need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
> > thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
to
> > speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
again if
> > you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
> >
> > Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
for
> > kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
> >
> > Maureen
> >
> > sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
> >
> > - Reply message -
> > From: "Martha Walton" 
> > Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> >  To: 
> >
> > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
Peaches
> > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
why
> > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
> > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
> > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
live
> > here.
> >
> > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
and
> > give Nibbles vaccinations.
> > I'll let you know what the vet says.
> > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
what
> > to do.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
> > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to
be
> > > effective.
> > >
> > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
would
> > keep
> > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
she
> > has
> > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
all
> > > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> > >
> > > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
on
> > > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> > >
> > > Keep us posted.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > L
> > > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton" <
> > marthawal...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > >
> > >
> > >  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
> > >> cats.
> > >> Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
> > >>
> > >> I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want
to
> > >> make
> > >> sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with
> > all
> > >> shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
> > >> Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
> > >>
> > >> Here's the situation:
> > >>
> > >> *Peaches* (New Cat)
> > >> Age: 4.5 yr
> > >> Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested*
before
> > >> vaccination.
> > >> Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st & 2nd
> > >> feline
> > >> leukemia in 2009.
> > >> She also had a vaccination in 2

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Kelley Saveika]

Alley Cat Allies recommends not testing for a couple of reasons.  Their
reasoning can be found here.  http://www.alleycat.org/Page.aspx?pid=458   We
follow their recommendations.

If a cat is a friendly stray in a feral colony, we test - always test before
adoption.  If they are pos we wait then retest with IFA.  One of our cats
was adopted to a lovely lady on this list - she was double pos (we confirmed
the FELV with IFA) and she's still doing well several years later.



On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be
> released
> into a colony.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>
> But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
> operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals
> fed
> and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple
> of
> hamburgers and get them tested.
>
>  Katy Doyle  wrote:
> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
> cat
> > instead of testing them.
> >
> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
> Apparently
> > "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
> from
> > getting exposed to FeLV.
> >
> >
> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
> > positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
> >
> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
> case
> > =^_^=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
>  > > wrote:
> >
> > > I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
> > > indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
>  Only
> if
> > > there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
> and
> > > you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
> the
> > > virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
> been
> > > tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
> > > either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
> don't
> > > need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
> > > thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
> to
> > > speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
> again if
> > > you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
> > >
> > > Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
> for
> > > kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > >
> > > sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
> > >
> > > - Reply message -
> > > From: "Martha Walton" 
> > > Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > >  To: 
> > >
> > > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> > > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
> Peaches
> > > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
> why
> > > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
> first.
> > > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
> a
> > > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
> live
> > > here.
> > >
> > > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
> and
> > > give Nibbles vaccinations.
> > > I'll let you know what the vet says.
> > > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
> what
> > > to do.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
> first
> > > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
> to
> be
> > > > effective.
> > > >
> > > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
> would
> > > keep
> > > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
> she
> > > has
> > > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
> all
> > > > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> > > >
> > > > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
> on
> > > > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> > > >
> > > > Keep us posted.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > L
> > > > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton" <
> > > marthawal...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  We h

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Kelley Saveika]

We just spent $270 getting TWO cats ready for adoption, which for us
includes combo test, FELV vaccine, FVRCP vaccine, rabies, microchip, exam -
and our vet is cut rate.  One needs a dental which will cost more.   We will
adopt them out for $75 each.  That is a lot more than fried chicken and a
couple of hamburgers.  I have spent thousands of dollars of my personal
money when the rescue had none.

That doesn't include, of course, any sick cats we take in.  That is just for
the basic adoption workup (except for the dental).

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:35 PM,  wrote:

> But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
> operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed
> and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of
> hamburgers and get them tested.
>
>  Katy Doyle  wrote:
> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
> cat
> > instead of testing them.
> >
> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
> Apparently
> > "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
> from
> > getting exposed to FeLV.
> >
> >
> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
> > positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
> >
> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
> case
> > =^_^=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com <
> molvey...@hotmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
> > > indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
>  Only if
> > > there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
> and
> > > you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
> the
> > > virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
> been
> > > tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
> > > either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
> don't
> > > need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
> > > thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
> to
> > > speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
> again if
> > > you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
> > >
> > > Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
> for
> > > kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > >
> > > sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
> > >
> > > - Reply message -
> > > From: "Martha Walton" 
> > > Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > >  To: 
> > >
> > > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> > > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
> Peaches
> > > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
> why
> > > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
> first.
> > > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
> a
> > > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
> live
> > > here.
> > >
> > > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
> and
> > > give Nibbles vaccinations.
> > > I'll let you know what the vet says.
> > > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
> what
> > > to do.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
> first
> > > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
> to be
> > > > effective.
> > > >
> > > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
> would
> > > keep
> > > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
> she
> > > has
> > > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
> all
> > > > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> > > >
> > > > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
> on
> > > > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> > > >
> > > > Keep us posted.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > L
> > > > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton" <
> > > marthawal...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > To: 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of
> 4
> > > >> cats.
> > > >> Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want
> to
> > > >> make
> > > >> sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date
> with
>

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

[Joslin Potter]

Oh my, that brought tears to my eyes, how can people be so cruel? Imagine what 
that poor animal must of been feeling?
From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I had an old woman call me a few years ago; she spends winters in FL.  She
wanted me to take an old cat as a trade-in for a kitten to be a good
"mouser" in her basement while she was away.
Last year, when our vet's office was opened in the morning (on a major busy
road), there was an open box by the front door with 4 5-6 wk old kittens,
and the mother cat was sitting next to that box!!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
> I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
> nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.  




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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

[Lorrie]

No you aren't nuts...
That's a very kind thing to do... Honey bees are having a
difficult time surviving due to pesticides and the tracheal mite
that can kill entire hives.

We've got some very kind hearted people in this group..
People here seem to regard all life as worthwhile regardless 
of whether it's a pet or another little creature who also
wants to live.
 
Lorrie

On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they
> will leave the hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded
> that some were landing on top of others, pushing them into the
> water.  They were drowning so I scooped them out on my fingers and
> spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the house for
> paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out,
> others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so
> the could fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but
> honeybees are having a hard time these days and we need them to
> pollinate our plants.
> 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Moving Critters in the road

[Lorrie]

You are so right We are a throw away nation and our pets
are tossed out like so much garbage!

BTW,   I stop and move turtles or snakes out of the road too.

Lorrie
  
On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS
> BASED ON THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT. 
> WE THROW AWAY CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A
> USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP
> AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY
> IN THE GRASS ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I EVEN STOPPED ON
> MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO LONG I
> COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.



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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

[D.S.Louis]

No folow-up on what happened to her...but   Pheonix has 800 animals in their 
shelter they want to find homes for this weekenda donation will get you a 
cat or a dog.
 
 
Dorothy


 

--- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:


From: dlg...@windstream.net 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 9:36 AM


I have asked my friends ad vet to tell me if thy think I am getting out of 
control and hoarding.  It is so easy to take them in, you want to help them, 
but you have to stop and ask yourself if you can afford to feed and give them 
proper care.  I know 7 is my limit, csts over $80.00 a month for food and 
litter.  May have to cut down on my food (wouldn't hurt me, need to loose a few 
pounds).  I have the basic DISH package - $24.99 that I started with 3 years 
ago.  That gives me the news, Tom & Jerry and the old shows that I want to 
watch, that is enough for me.  Why do people need 250 channels, they can't 
possibly watch them all?  My babies come first.  I have a big Saffari van, can 
take the seats out for my babies and we will just camp out.
 Joslin Potter  wrote: 
> Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does 
> that? She DOES need a neuter!


From: D.S.Louis 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
dogs..

 

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:


From: Lynda Wilson 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten 
for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I 
guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be 
orange & white :)

This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - From: "Edna Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the "I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . ." email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is "allergic" AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(


> From: moonv...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
> 
> In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
> judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
> Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
> always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
> something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
> I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
> rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
> whenever I see an "I hate people" thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
> have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
> baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
> form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
> and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
> pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
> delivered back to us safely.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
> >
> > > I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
> > > people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
> > > and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
> > > to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
> > > do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
> > > dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
> > > throw-away-society!
> > >
> > __-
> >
> > Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
> > rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cat

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[D.S.Louis]

You are so right onwe are a"throw-away society".

 

--- On Sat, 8/6/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:


From: dlg...@windstream.net 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 6, 2011, 8:49 AM


tHAT IS WHY OUR NATION IS IN THE SHAPE IT'S IN.  tHE ECONOMY IS BASED ON 
THROWAWAY AND BUY A NEW ONE.  cAR GETS A DENT, TRADE IT.  WE THROW AWAY 
CHILDREN AND/OR ABUSE THEM, DISCARD SPOUSES LIKE A USED PAPER CUP.  THE POOR 
ANIMALS DON'T STAND A CHANCE.  ME, I STOP AND PICK UP TURTLES WHO ARE CROSSING 
THE ROAD AND PUT THEM SAFELY IN THE GRASS  ON THE SIDE THEY WERE HEADING TO.  I 
EVEN STOPPED ON MY ROAD ONE DAY AND URGED A SNAKE ACROSS THE ROAD (HE WAS SO 
LONG I COULDN'T GO AROUND HIM) WITH A STICK.
 Natalie  wrote: 
> I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are?
> They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are
> strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with
> a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that?  What kind of horrible race are
> we?  Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is
> abandoned...it's a throw-away-society!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Martha Walton
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 11:53 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> 
> The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
> to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
> the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
> They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
> baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
> here.
> 
> I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
> give Nibbles vaccinations.
> I'll let you know what the vet says.
> Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
> to do.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson
> wrote:
> 
> > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
> > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
> > effective.
> >
> > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
> keep
> > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
> has
> > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
> > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> >
> > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
> > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> >
> > Keep us posted.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > L
> > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton"  > >
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> >
> >
> >  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
> >> cats.
> >> Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.
> >>
> >> I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
> >> make
> >> sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
> >> shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
> >> Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.
> >>
> >> Here's the situation:
> >>
> >> *Peaches* (New Cat)
> >> Age: 4.5 yr
> >> Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
> >> vaccination.
> >> Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st & 2nd
> >> feline
> >> leukemia in 2009.
> >> She also had a vaccination in 2010
> >>
> >> I have 3 other cats:
> >> All cats will stay indoors!
> >>
> >> *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
> >> Age: 2.5
> >> Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
> >> shot.
> >> Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors & didn't think that I would
> "rescue"
> >> a
> >> cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
> >> *However, I rescued another cat.*
> >> Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
> it
> >> too late??
> >>
> >> *Littlebit*
> >> Age: 11
> >> Current Feline Leukemia vacc
> >>
> >> *Lacy*
> >> Age: 6 months
> >> Current Feline Leukemia vacc
> >>
> >> What do you think I should do???
> >> Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is
> it
> >> too late??
> >> Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

[MaiMaiPG]

You aren't nutstry putting clean rocks in the sauces so they don't  
fall in or, if they do, can get out.

On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Lorrie wrote:


No you aren't nuts...
That's a very kind thing to do... Honey bees are having a
difficult time surviving due to pesticides and the tracheal mite
that can kill entire hives.

We've got some very kind hearted people in this group..
People here seem to regard all life as worthwhile regardless
of whether it's a pet or another little creature who also
wants to live.

Lorrie

On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they
will leave the hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded
that some were landing on top of others, pushing them into the
water.  They were drowning so I scooped them out on my fingers and
spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the house for
paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out,
others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so
the could fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but
honeybees are having a hard time these days and we need them to
pollinate our plants.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Beth]

i'm familiar with Alley Cat Allie's taske on testing ferasls because thete is a 
group here who follows their line. I completely disagree with it. I have 
re-released cats with FIV, but I think it is crazy to release cats with FeLV.  
Those cats will probably die a horrible lonely death & put other, even tame 
cats at risk. I cannot understand it.

Kelley Saveika  wrote:

>Alley Cat Allies recommends not testing for a couple of reasons.  Their
>reasoning can be found here.  http://www.alleycat.org/Page.aspx?pid=458   We
>follow their recommendations.
>
>If a cat is a friendly stray in a feral colony, we test - always test before
>adoption.  If they are pos we wait then retest with IFA.  One of our cats
>was adopted to a lovely lady on this list - she was double pos (we confirmed
>the FELV with IFA) and she's still doing well several years later.
>
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>
>> Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be
>> released
>> into a colony.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> dlg...@windstream.net
>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>>
>> But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
>> operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals
>> fed
>> and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple
>> of
>> hamburgers and get them tested.
>>
>>  Katy Doyle  wrote:
>> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
>> cat
>> > instead of testing them.
>> >
>> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
>> Apparently
>> > "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
>> from
>> > getting exposed to FeLV.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
>> > positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
>> >
>> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
>> case
>> > =^_^=
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
>> > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
>> > > indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
>>  Only
>> if
>> > > there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
>> and
>> > > you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
>> the
>> > > virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
>> been
>> > > tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
>> > > either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
>> don't
>> > > need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
>> > > thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
>> to
>> > > speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
>> again if
>> > > you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
>> for
>> > > kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
>> > >
>> > > Maureen
>> > >
>> > > sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>> > >
>> > > - Reply message -
>> > > From: "Martha Walton" 
>> > > Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
>> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> > >  To: 
>> > >
>> > > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
>> > > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
>> Peaches
>> > > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
>> why
>> > > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
>> first.
>> > > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
>> a
>> > > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
>> live
>> > > here.
>> > >
>> > > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
>> and
>> > > give Nibbles vaccinations.
>> > > I'll let you know what the vet says.
>> > > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
>> what
>> > > to do.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson > > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
>> first
>> > > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
>> to
>> be
>> > > > effective.
>> > > >
>> > > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
>> > > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
>> would
>> > > keep
>> > > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
>> she
>> > > has
>> > > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others

Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

[LauraM]

Yes, he wants to give baths to all 20 of my cats!


From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

He is willing to and can give a cat a bath.  He is a keeper!


 Bonnie Hogue  wrote: 
> Wow, Hang On to _that_ guy!!!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
> 
> well, I don't know whether it makes me sexier but I do have a really cute
> boyfriend who has four cats. When I met him he told me he was a cat person
> and not too crazy about dogs. That certainly got my attention since most
> men have felt threatened by my 4-legged family members.  I would say it
> definitely makes him sexier, especially since he's the only person I know
> who can give a cat a bath.
> 
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:46 AM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
> 
> http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
> 
> 
> 
> No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...
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[Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[molveywda]

Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older 
gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old cat of 
mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested negative as a 
kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing food and water 
bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her too when she was a kitten.  
I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday.  Can you believe that booger 
is negative for FeLV?  Talk about defying the odds.  Doesn't make sense that an 
immune compromised kitty did not contract the disease.  You can't predict 
anything regarding this disease.  I just assumed he had gotten it from her.

Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[Lynda Wilson]

Wow! That IS FREAKING AMAZING!! How does that happen?

I'm so happy for you and Booger (that is my cat, Kirby's nickname!).

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds


Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older 
gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old 
cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested 
negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together 
sharing food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her 
too when she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested 
yesterday.  Can you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about 
defying the odds.  Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did 
not contract the disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this 
disease.  I just assumed he had gotten it from her.


Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

[Natalie]

AND I read that cell phones are wreaking havoc on bees, too!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Saving bees

No you aren't nuts...
That's a very kind thing to do... Honey bees are having a
difficult time surviving due to pesticides and the tracheal mite
that can kill entire hives.

We've got some very kind hearted people in this group..
People here seem to regard all life as worthwhile regardless 
of whether it's a pet or another little creature who also
wants to live.
 
Lorrie

On 08-06, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> I put out saucers of sugar water for the bees and wasps so they
> will leave the hummingbird feeders alone.  They were so crowded
> that some were landing on top of others, pushing them into the
> water.  They were drowning so I scooped them out on my fingers and
> spred them out on the deck railing.  I went into the house for
> paper towels to absorb some of the water.  When I got back out,
> others were licking it off the others and cleaning their wings so
> the could fly.  Only lost 5 out of 50. I know, I am nuts, but
> honeybees are having a hard time these days and we need them to
> pollinate our plants.
> 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[molveywda]

Actually, his name is Cotton because he's solid white.  I have a house full of 
cats.  Some are mine and some are fosters.  I've only had about five of them 
tested so far and thankfully all have tested negative for FeLV.  It's kind of 
weird but great.

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From: "Lynda Wilson" 
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
To: 

Wow! That IS FREAKING AMAZING!! How does that happen?

I'm so happy for you and Booger (that is my cat, Kirby's nickname!).

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Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds


> Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older > 
> gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old > 
> cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested > 
> negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together > sharing 
> food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her > too when 
> she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested > yesterday.  Can 
> you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about > defying the odds. 
>  Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did > not contract the 
> disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this > disease.  I just 
> assumed he had gotten it from her.
>
> Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

[Natalie]

That's one for the booksamazing!

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molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older
gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old cat
of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested
negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together sharing
food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her too when
she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested yesterday.  Can
you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about defying the odds.
Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did not contract the
disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this disease.  I just assumed
he had gotten it from her.

Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Natalie]

Kelley,
Do you also work/volunteer for a cat rescue group?  I wonder how many in
this group do...it would be interesting to know. The price you quoted, for 2
cats, sounds darn reasonable...it would be a lot more here on the East Coast
(even with a 50% discount).
I co-founded and operate ARA (Animal Rights Alliance) Project Save-A-Cat.
Natalie
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 3:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

We just spent $270 getting TWO cats ready for adoption, which for us
includes combo test, FELV vaccine, FVRCP vaccine, rabies, microchip, exam -
and our vet is cut rate.  One needs a dental which will cost more.   We will
adopt them out for $75 each.  That is a lot more than fried chicken and a
couple of hamburgers.  I have spent thousands of dollars of my personal
money when the rescue had none.

That doesn't include, of course, any sick cats we take in.  That is just for
the basic adoption workup (except for the dental).

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:35 PM,  wrote:

> But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters
usually
> operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals
fed
> and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple
of
> hamburgers and get them tested.
>
>  Katy Doyle  wrote:
> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
> cat
> > instead of testing them.
> >
> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
> Apparently
> > "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
> from
> > getting exposed to FeLV.
> >
> >
> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
> > positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
> >
> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
> case
> > =^_^=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com <
> molvey...@hotmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
> > > indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
>  Only if
> > > there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them
out
> and
> > > you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
> the
> > > virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
> been
> > > tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the
vaccination
> > > either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
> don't
> > > need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
> > > thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles
up
> to
> > > speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
> again if
> > > you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
> > >
> > > Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the
butt
> for
> > > kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
> > >
> > > Maureen
> > >
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> > > - Reply message -
> > > From: "Martha Walton" 
> > > Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
> > >  To: 
> > >
> > > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
> > > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
> Peaches
> > > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
> why
> > > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
> first.
> > > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
> a
> > > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
> live
> > > here.
> > >
> > > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
> and
> > > give Nibbles vaccinations.
> > > I'll let you know what the vet says.
> > > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
> what
> > > to do.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
> first
> > > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
> to be
> > > > effective.
> > > >
> > > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
> > > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
> would
> > > keep
> > > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
> she
> > > has
> > > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others
are
> all
> > > > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
> > > >
> > > > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge
> on
> > > > this forum, but we are not experts :)
> > > >
> > > > Keep us p