date:20110826

Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped using 
those because we found themunreliable.

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From: SomeWhere Sam 
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv 
Snap test...PLEASE READ


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To: Val Garcia
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Subject: [DC-Rescue] . Some very interesting information  about the Felv Snap 
test...PLEASE READ
  
Very very interesting about the Snap test…. 
I wonder how many have unnecessarily put to sleep…
 


 
I just learned some very interesting information about FELV.  ???  had three 
cats test
positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother
nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated
tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One of the
vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to
Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services
, which does some different tests, at about $30 cost.

Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic
services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some
cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on
all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test
called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And
they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!!

Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false
positives>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information aboutthe Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ

I believe that 10 wks old is much too young to get a definite test of
anything...they're still developing their immune systems, and had they been
exposed in any way, things can change.

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Yes but what about a positive IFA test at 10 weeks old... Too young or still
accurate...?
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

I'll send the site where we order these little nematodes - but if a nursery
has them, great!  We used to get them from Dr. Goodpet.not sure, where we
get them now.  We are busily preparing for the hurricane.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

 

They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some
nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from
online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can
testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through
the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the
mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were
in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a
little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring
worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those
little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down every
year from now on.

I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a
lot of time on the ground.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain

> From: ho...@sonic.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
> What are they called & where do you get them!
> ~Bonnie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. 
> 
> It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had
been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over
a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took
Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.
Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal
self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them
every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of
tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular
ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
> 
>  Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> > I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
> > dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
> > watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
> > Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
> > for dogs on it. So
> > *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
> > first about adjusting the dosage.
> > 
> > Cindy & Angel Jackpot
> > 
> > From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
> > discussing it with my feline asthma group.
> > 
> > Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a 
> > cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things 
> > ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with
no problems.
> > Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
> > size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution 
> > isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
> > fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an
especially bad year.
> > Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
> > switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
> > tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
> > processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
> > for so long. Who knows.

Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs mess 
up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed up, too. & 
even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they have just as 
happily as any other cat!

Beth

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From: Christiane Biagi 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!  There are 
just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life and death 
decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ 
cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 
months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside 
or any pos cats…..
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
 
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From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.
 Beth
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From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.
Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
April 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed
into their food.  Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too.  And if the cats
happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with
real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

Hi Marcia,
I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
 My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
FIP and killed her.

Best wishes,
Beth

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
 wrote:
> Terri
...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone.
What
> are you opinions??
>
> Take care everyone
> Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ

YES!!  felv fiv and heartworms.  that's what they used on all my cats!

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth  wrote:

>  Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped
> using those because we found themunreliable.
>
> Beth
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
>
>  --
> *From:* SomeWhere Sam 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Cc:* felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:34 PM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about
> the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ
>
>  Forwarded from the Feral Cat Chat list
>
> Somewhere Sam
>
> - Forwarded Message 
> *From:* "ethnedra...@yahoo.com" 
> *To:* Cindy Sikes ; Tess Robinson <
> tessheyw...@gmail.com>; feral-cat-c...@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thu, August 25, 2011 3:15:53 PM
> *Subject:* [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap
> test...PLEASE READ
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> --
> *From: *"Val Garcia" 
> *Sender: *dc-res...@yahoogroups.com
> *Date: *Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:15:08 -0400
> *To: *Val Garcia
> *ReplyTo: *dc-res...@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject: *[DC-Rescue] . Some very interesting information about the Felv
> Snap test...PLEASE READ
>
>
>  Very very interesting about the Snap test….  I wonder how many have
> unnecessarily put to sleep…
>
>  --
>  I just learned some very interesting information about FELV.  ???  had
> three cats test positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely (
> neither the mother nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested
> positive, after repeated tests and they had the mother with them for a while
> before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at
> Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University College of Veterinary
> medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does some different tests, at
> about $30 cost.
>
> Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic
> services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because
> some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other
> tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another
> ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on
> both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in
> the Idexx SNAP test!!
>
> Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false
> positives>
>
> The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

yes, that's true. we just have to manage. well i'm finding out from all of
you that they can live a normal life...thank god!

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Beth  wrote:

>  You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs
> mess up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed
> up, too. & even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they
> have just as happily as any other cat!
>
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Christiane Biagi 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>  You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
> There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
> and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who
> have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
> at about 3 months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to
> the outside or any pos cats…..
>
>  *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>  I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
>
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* Natalie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>   Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
>  New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had
> the IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
>
>   *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>   Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT
> mean they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their
> bone marrow.
>   Beth
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* Natalie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>   I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was
> very lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became
> friends overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the
> IFA – they were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them
> could have been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!
> The strange thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done
> to soon after the positive ELISA.
>  Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another
> definitely positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a
> FeLV+ mother will be positive more likely than not.
>   *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *April Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>
>   In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange
> female (Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats
> and begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week
> after being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did
> not know when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats
> unless you request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My
> vet wanted me to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other
> cats.  I couldn't do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a
> spare bedroom into her home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys
> galore.  I think she is lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just
> posted about a mother cat and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just
> tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was thinking of looking for a friend
> for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our area that takes in FELV and FIV
> positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make Spicy sick
> or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for FELV, the
> vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is still
> positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend??
>
>   April
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

2011-08-26 Thread Lorrie

Our vet clinic uses these tests and I questioned them about it.
They guarantee they are fine, and I've had at least 5 cats test
negative on them, but I've heard too many bad reports of these
FelV, FIV and Heartworm tests to have any confidence in them.

Lorrie

On 08-26, Marcia Baronda wrote:

>YES!!  felv fiv and heartworms.  that's what they used on all my cats!
> 
>On  Fri,  Aug  26,  2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth <[1]create_me_...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
> 
>Is  this  the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped
>using those because we found themunreliable.
>Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

Natalie

Good luck with the hurricane!  I hope there is no damage and no frightened
cats!

~Bonnie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

 

I'll send the site where we order these little nematodes - but if a nursery
has them, great!  We used to get them from Dr. Goodpet.not sure, where we
get them now.  We are busily preparing for the hurricane.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

 

They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some
nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from
online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can
testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through
the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the
mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were
in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a
little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring
worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those
little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down every
year from now on.

I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a
lot of time on the ground.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain

> From: ho...@sonic.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
> What are they called & where do you get them!
> ~Bonnie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
> 
> I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. 
> 
> It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had
been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over
a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took
Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.
Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal
self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them
every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of
tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular
ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
> 
>  Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
> > I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
> > dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
> > watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
> > Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
> > for dogs on it. So
> > *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
> > first about adjusting the dosage.
> > 
> > Cindy & Angel Jackpot
> > 
> > From: molvey...@hotmail.com
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
> > discussing it with my feline asthma group.
> > 
> > Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a 
> > cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things 
> > ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with
no problems.
> > Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
> > size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution 
> > isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
> > fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's j

[Felvtalk] Got this from an animal network:

FYI - did someone already post this?  Seems familiar.


  Sam Thomas


>From A Feral Cat Chat List. I just learned some very interesting
information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they
knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other
kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the
mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers
followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn
University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services ,
which does some different tests, at about $30 cost.

Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic
services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because
some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other
tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another
ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on
both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in
the Idexx SNAP test!!

Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false
positives>

The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

2011-08-26 Thread Lorrie

On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
>Natalie
> 
>Good  luck  with  the  hurricane!   I  hope  there is no damage and no
>frightened cats!
> 
>~Bonnie

I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ
than I do about the people.  These animals have no place to go and
people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their
humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals,
but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains
right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Got this from an animal network:

yes. someone posted it already.

Natalie  wrote:

>FYI - did someone already post this?  Seems familiar.
>
>
>  Sam Thomas
>
>
>From A Feral Cat Chat List. I just learned some very interesting
>information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they
>knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other
>kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the
>mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers
>followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn
>University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services ,
>which does some different tests, at about $30 cost.
>
>Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic
>services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because
>some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other
>tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another
>ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on
>both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in
>the Idexx SNAP test!!
>
>Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false
>positives>
>
>The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

Unfortunately it's almost impossible to find a vet anymore who doesn't use the 
3-way test. Guess I'll just pay the shelter from now on.

 Beth
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From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

Our vet clinic uses these tests and I questioned them about it.
They guarantee they are fine, and I've had at least 5 cats test
negative on them, but I've heard too many bad reports of these
FelV, FIV and Heartworm tests to have any confidence in them.

Lorrie

On 08-26, Marcia Baronda wrote:

>    YES!!  felv fiv and heartworms.  that's what they used on all my cats!
> 
>    On  Fri,  Aug  26,  2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth <[1]create_me_...@yahoo.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    Is  this  the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped
>    using those because we found themunreliable.
>    Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Yeah! One more convert to help spread the word about these babies!

Beth

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From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


yes, that's true. we just have to manage. well i'm finding out from all of you 
that they can live a normal life...thank god!


On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Beth  wrote:

You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs mess 
up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed up, too. & 
even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they have just as 
happily as any other cat!
>
>
>Beth
>
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> 
>
>
>
>
> From: Christiane Biagi 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM 
>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>
>
>You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!  There 
>are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life and death 
>decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ 
>cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 
>months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside 
>or any pos cats…..
> 
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
> 
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> 
> 
>
>
> 
>From:Natalie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
>New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
>IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
> 
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
>they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
>marrow.
> Beth
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> 
> 
>
>
> 
>From:Natalie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
>lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
>overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
>were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
>been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
>thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
>the positive ELISA.
>Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
>positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
>will be positive more likely than not.
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
>(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
>begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after 
>being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know 
>when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you 
>request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me 
>to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't 
>do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her 
>home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is 
>lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat 
>and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline 
>leukemia.  I was thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to 
>a shelter in our area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positiv

Re: [Felvtalk] Got this from an animal network:

Yes, good luck. I will be thinking of you.  

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 26, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Natalie  wrote:

> FYI – did someone already post this?  Seems familiar.
> 
> Sam Thomas
> 
> From A Feral Cat Chat List. I just learned some very interesting 
> information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they 
> knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other 
> kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the 
> mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers followed 
> up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn University 
> College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services , which does 
> some different tests, at about $30 cost.
> 
> Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic 
> services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because 
> some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other 
> tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another 
> ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on 
> both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the 
> Idexx SNAP test!!
> 
> Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false 
> positives>
> 
> The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690
> 
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being  
vaccinated & I've heard of that happening from other people, too.

Beth

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed
into their food.  Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too.  And if the cats
happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with
real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

Hi Marcia,
I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
FIP and killed her.

Best wishes,
Beth

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
 wrote:
> Terri
...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone.
What
> are you opinions??
>
> Take care everyone
> Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

me too, i always get accused of taking care or thinking of them first, in a
kidding on the square kind of way, by my husband. he means it. But he can
open the fridge and turn on the stove..all by himself.  but yes, i worry
about the animals too. I can't watch video of flooding because i'm sure i'm
gonna see a cow floating doen the river or something.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
> >Natalie
> >
> >Good  luck  with  the  hurricane!   I  hope  there is no damage and no
> >frightened cats!
> >
> >~Bonnie
>
> I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ
> than I do about the people.  These animals have no place to go and
> people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their
> humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals,
> but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains
> right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation.
>
> Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

That's my huge worry, too!
Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard
in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at
night, and got their mom and dad, too.  The baby is only5 wks old.  This was
just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
>Natalie
> 
>Good  luck  with  the  hurricane!   I  hope  there is no damage and no
>frightened cats!
> 
>~Bonnie

I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ
than I do about the people.  These animals have no place to go and
people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their
humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals,
but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains
right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

My vet doesn't.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

Unfortunately it's almost impossible to find a vet anymore who doesn't use
the 3-way test. Guess I'll just pay the shelter from now on.

 Beth

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From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

Our vet clinic uses these tests and I questioned them about it.
They guarantee they are fine, and I've had at least 5 cats test
negative on them, but I've heard too many bad reports of these
FelV, FIV and Heartworm tests to have any confidence in them.

Lorrie

On 08-26, Marcia Baronda wrote:

>YES!!  felv fiv and heartworms.  that's what they used on all my cats!
> 
>On  Fri,  Aug  26,  2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth <[1]create_me_...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
> 
>Is  this  the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped
>using those because we found themunreliable.
>Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

my vet vaccinated fletch when he was neutered...which i don't ever let
anyone do, because i figure surery is gonna lower their immune systems...not
a good time to vaccinate. but I was suprised when I saw on my bill that he
had been vacd for felv...which i did not ask for. let me tell you, that cat
attacked all my other cats and was so mad for 2 or 3 weeks. It turned this
whole house upside down. i have never experienced anything like that in all
my years of having cats. Then i was reading in Dr Pitcairn and also Dr.
halmiltons books about that very same thing happening to cats after being
vaccinated. i was suprised to see it in words!! It was just weird. Anyone
else have this happen?
marcia

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Beth  wrote:

>  I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after
> being  vaccinated & I've heard of that happening from other people, too.
>
> Beth
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Natalie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
>
> All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics
> mixed
> into their food.  Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too.  And if the cats
> happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with
> real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
>
> Hi Marcia,
> I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
> the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
> leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
> pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
> vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
> Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
> masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
> weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
> after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
> months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
> My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
> it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
> vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
> exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
> FIP and killed her.
>
> Best wishes,
> Beth
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
>  wrote:
> > Terri
> ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone.
> What
> > are you opinions??
> >
> > Take care everyone
> > Marcia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

This inspired me to tell this story:
I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago.  She was born to a feral
mother.  The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and
fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again.  She thought, "Uh oh, bet she
had kittens."  So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens
had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it
had rained heavily.  The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby,
Stormy.  A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take
her kitten, so I got her.  That's why she's named Stormy.  Should've been
named "Lucky" or  " Miracle!"
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

That's my huge worry, too!
Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard
in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at
night, and got their mom and dad, too.  The baby is only5 wks old.  This was
just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
>Natalie
> 
>Good  luck  with  the  hurricane!   I  hope  there is no damage and no
>frightened cats!
> 
>~Bonnie

I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do
about the people.  These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry
just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My
first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe.
We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at
3,000 elevation.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump
every possible vaccine into cats.it is most important to specify in the
beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want.
My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of money..she brought
her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same
vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT!  They got
FeLV/FIV, God-know what else..she was furious!  She always tells them ahead
of time that they are strictly indoor cats!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

my vet vaccinated fletch when he was neutered...which i don't ever let
anyone do, because i figure surery is gonna lower their immune systems...not
a good time to vaccinate. but I was suprised when I saw on my bill that he
had been vacd for felv...which i did not ask for. let me tell you, that cat
attacked all my other cats and was so mad for 2 or 3 weeks. It turned this
whole house upside down. i have never experienced anything like that in all
my years of having cats. Then i was reading in Dr Pitcairn and also Dr.
halmiltons books about that very same thing happening to cats after being
vaccinated. i was suprised to see it in words!! It was just weird. Anyone
else have this happen?

marcia

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Beth  wrote:

I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being
vaccinated & I've heard of that happening from other people, too.

Beth

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www.Furkids.org  

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From: Natalie 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed
into their food.  Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too.  And if the cats
happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with
real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

Hi Marcia,
I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
FIP and killed her.

Best wishes,
Beth

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
 wrote:
> Terri
...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone.
What
> are you opinions??
>
> Take care everyone
> Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-26 Thread Lorrie

It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
vaccinate again.

Lorrie

On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
>Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
>pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
>specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
>ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
>lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
>incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
>specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
>elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
>they are strictly indoor cats!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-26 Thread Gloria Lane

That's pretty much why I do...

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
> surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
> vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
> surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
> but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
> injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
> annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
> vaccinate again.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
>>   Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
>>   pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
>>   specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
>>   ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
>>   lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
>>   incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
>>   specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
>>   elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
>>   they are strictly indoor cats!
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-26 Thread Edna Taylor


Me too, they don't need all that every year
 

> From: gbl...@aristotle.net
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
> 
> That's pretty much why I do...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
> > surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
> > vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
> > surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
> > but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
> > injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
> > annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
> > vaccinate again.
> > 
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
> >> Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
> >> pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to
> >> specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
> >> ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a
> >> lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed
> >> incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she
> >> specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
> >> elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that
> >> they are strictly indoor cats!
> >> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

There are some really stupid vets out there.  If you bring in a sick cat
that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they
cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating
the sick cat.  My vet does NOT!  I know of one veterinary hospital that will
NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
vaccinate again.

Lorrie

On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
>Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
>pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
>specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
>ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
>lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
>incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
>specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
>elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
>they are strictly indoor cats!
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread Kelley Saveika

Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough
to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to
require declawing.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat
> with
> claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
> scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
> natural defense for declawed cats!
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the
required by law rabies vaccines current.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

 

Me too, they don't need all that every year
 

> From: gbl...@aristotle.net
> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
> 
> That's pretty much why I do...
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> > It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
> > surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
> > vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
> > surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
> > but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
> > injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
> > annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
> > vaccinate again.
> > 
> > Lorrie
> > 
> > On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
> >> Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
> >> pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to
> >> specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
> >> ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a
> >> lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed
> >> incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she
> >> specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
> >> elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that
> >> they are strictly indoor cats!
> >> 
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[Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

A Trip to Costco 

Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for
my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a
woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant?
So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I
didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I
probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that
I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes
coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. 

I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it
works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one
or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it
works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that
practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified,
she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.
I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit
me. 

I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was
laughing so hard. 

Costco won't let me shop there anymore. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going
crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!

 

There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere
instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the
tenants' own furniture!

 

I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an
older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er)
cats).

 

There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all
the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or
kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt
with the problems as well as they could.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 

Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough
to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to
require declawing.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:

That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
natural defense for declawed cats!

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-26 Thread dlgegg

My vet gives the vaccin for rabies first and then we wait if surgery is needed
 Natalie  wrote: 
> Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the
> required by law rabies vaccines current.
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
> 
>  
> 
> Me too, they don't need all that every year
>  
> 
> > From: gbl...@aristotle.net
> > Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
> > 
> > That's pretty much why I do...
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie  wrote:
> > 
> > > It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
> > > surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
> > > vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
> > > surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
> > > but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
> > > injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
> > > annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
> > > vaccinate again.
> > > 
> > > Lorrie
> > > 
> > > On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
> > >> Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
> > >> pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to
> > >> specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
> > >> ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a
> > >> lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed
> > >> incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she
> > >> specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
> > >> elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that
> > >> they are strictly indoor cats!
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread Kelley Saveika

Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going
> crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I
> guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere
> instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the
> tenants’ own furniture!
>
> ** **
>
> I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an
> older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er)
> cats).
>
> ** **
>
> There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the
> psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few
> abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all
> the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or
> kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt
> with the problems as well as they could.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>
> ** **
>
> Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate
> enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely
> to require declawing.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>
> That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat
> with
> claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
> scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
> natural defense for declawed cats!
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks?

2011-08-26 Thread dlgegg

Seed ticks are deer ticks at least around here


 Lorrie  wrote: 
> What are seed ticks?  I know about the big dog ticks and the tiny
> deer ticks. The deer ticks are very small, so are these what you
> call seed ticks? 
> 
> > On 08-25, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> > 
> > It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. 
> > I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live
> > on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of
> > mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine
> > and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a long lasting
> > antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they
> > called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every
> > time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose
> > of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed
> > and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

that's a good LAUGH OUT LOUD!!!

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Natalie  wrote:

>  A Trip to Costco
>
> Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow
> for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a
> woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant?
> So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I
> didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I
> probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that
> I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes
> coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms.
>
> I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it
> works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one
> or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it
> works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that
> practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified,
> she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.
>  I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit
> me.
>
> I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was
> laughing so hard.
>
> Costco won't let me shop there anymore.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

2011-08-26 Thread Heather

Hilarious!!!

Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> A Trip to Costco 
> 
> Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for 
> my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman 
> behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So 
> since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I 
> didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I 
> probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that 
> I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes 
> coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. 
> 
> I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it 
> works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one 
> or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it 
> works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that 
> practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, 
> she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.  
> I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. 
> 
> I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing 
> so hard. 
> 
> Costco won't let me shop there anymore. 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

2011-08-26 Thread dlgegg

Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats).  If I have to 
leave my home, they go with me.  I have an Astro van and all I have to do is 
put the seats down and I have plenty of room for the carriers.  I will leve my 
home and all else behind, but my cats go with me.  I can sleep in the van with 
them.


 Bonnie Hogue  wrote: 
> This inspired me to tell this story:
> I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago.  She was born to a feral
> mother.  The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and
> fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again.  She thought, "Uh oh, bet she
> had kittens."  So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens
> had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it
> had rained heavily.  The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby,
> Stormy.  A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take
> her kitten, so I got her.  That's why she's named Stormy.  Should've been
> named "Lucky" or  " Miracle!"
> ~Bonnie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
> 
> That's my huge worry, too!
> Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard
> in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at
> night, and got their mom and dad, too.  The baby is only5 wks old.  This was
> just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
> 
> On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
> >Natalie
> > 
> >Good  luck  with  the  hurricane!   I  hope  there is no damage and no
> >frightened cats!
> > 
> >~Bonnie
> 
> I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do
> about the people.  These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry
> just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My
> first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe.
> We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at
> 3,000 elevation.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-26 Thread Lynda Wilson

They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will 
then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!!

Idiots!

- Original Message - 
From: "Lorrie" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
vaccinate again.

Lorrie

On 08-26, Natalie wrote:

   Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
   pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
   specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
   ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
   lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
   incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
   specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
   elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
   they are strictly indoor cats!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

2011-08-26 Thread Lynda Wilson

Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much for 
sharing. You are way too funny girl!  I love your sense of humor.  Gotta have 
it to keep your sanity, right?!

Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene.  Keep 
us posted!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Natalie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle

  A Trip to Costco 

  Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for 
my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman 
behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since 
I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have 
a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, 
because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds 
before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my 
orifices and IVs in both arms. 

  I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it 
works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or 
two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works 
well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically 
everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I 
ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.  I told her no, I 
stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. 

  I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing 
so hard. 

  Costco won't let me shop there anymore. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

Thanks for the belly laugh.now I have to go change!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle

A Trip to Costco 

Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for
my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a
woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant?
So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I
didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I
probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that
I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes
coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. 

I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it
works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one
or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it
works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that
practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified,
she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.
I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit
me. 

I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was
laughing so hard. 

Costco won't let me shop there anymore. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder
how a cat would feel if 

he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their
paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that
Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that
they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have
a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a
woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug
was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story
is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will
scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into
the gory details of declawing.

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 

Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:

OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going
crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!

 

There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere
instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the
tenants' own furniture!

 

I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an
older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er)
cats).

 

There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all
the damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or
kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt
with the problems as well as they could.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 

Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough
to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to
require declawing.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:

That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
natural defense for declawed cats!

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Seed Ticks?

Blacklegged ticks (misnamed deer ticks), acquire the spirochete bacterium
from white footed mice and about another dozen or so small mammals and even
birds.

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Seed ticks are deer ticks at least around here


 Lorrie  wrote: 
> What are seed ticks?  I know about the big dog ticks and the tiny
> deer ticks. The deer ticks are very small, so are these what you
> call seed ticks? 
> 
> > On 08-25, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> > 
> > It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. 
> > I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live
> > on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of
> > mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine
> > and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a long lasting
> > antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they
> > called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every
> > time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose
> > of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed
> > and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread Kelley Saveika

It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without
you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves
TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine.  I've seen
cats who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who have been declawed
do absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes.

I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a
mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not
been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet doing
declaw surgery would provide pain meds.

At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into a
nursing home.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most
> devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken
> doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder
> how a cat would feel if 
>
> he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their
> paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote *The Cat
> that Cried for Help, *after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain
> that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
> cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have
> a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a
> woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug
> was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story
> is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will
> scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into
> the gory details of declawing.
>
> Natalie
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
> program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>
> I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
> death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
> them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>
> OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going
> crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!**
> **
>
>  
>
> There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I
> guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere
> instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the
> tenants’ own furniture!
>
>  
>
> I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an
> older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er)
> cats).
>
>  
>
> There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the
> psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few
> abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all
> the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or
> kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt
> with the problems as well as they could.
>
>  
>
> *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika
> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
>
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>
>  
>
> Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate
> enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely
> to require declawing.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>
> That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat
> with
> claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
> scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
> natural defense for declawed cats!
>
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

2011-08-26 Thread MaiMaiPG


You have a plan for your family.
On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:51 PM,  > wrote:


Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats).  If  
I have to leave my home, they go with me.  I have an Astro van and  
all I have to do is put the seats down and I have plenty of room for  
the carriers.  I will leve my home and all else behind, but my cats  
go with me.  I can sleep in the van with them.



 Bonnie Hogue  wrote:

This inspired me to tell this story:
I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago.  She was born to a  
feral
mother.  The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting  
fatter and
fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again.  She thought, "Uh oh,  
bet she
had kittens."  So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of  
kittens
had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm  
sure) it
had rained heavily.  The only one to survive that storm was the  
grey tabby,
Stormy.  A couple of months later the woman had to move and  
couldn't take
her kitten, so I got her.  That's why she's named Stormy.   
Should've been

named "Lucky" or  " Miracle!"
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

That's my huge worry, too!
Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded  
backyard
in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the  
water at
night, and got their mom and dad, too.  The baby is only5 wks old.   
This was

just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Natalie

 Good  luck  with  the  hurricane!   I  hope  there is no damage  
and no

 frightened cats!

 ~Bonnie


I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ  
than I do
about the people.  These animals have no place to go and people do.  
I worry
just as much about the pets left behind when their humans  
evacuate. My
first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats  
are safe.
We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western  
Maryland at

3,000 elevation.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread MaiMaiPG

And who is going to take care of the cat if the owner isn't  
available?  In many rural areas the cat will be taken to the pound or  
thrown out to take care of himself/herself.  This is particularly hard  
for older cats.  It is a judgment call that must be made with all  
factors considered and with the welfare of the cat in the front.

On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Natalie wrote:

I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the  
most devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be  
more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the  
cat, trust me.  I wonder how a cat would feel if
he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having  
their paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote  
The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such  
extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit  
completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their  
owners will never see.  I have a copy of an article written for NY  
Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing  
her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched  
up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is  
heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I  
will scan it and post it.  It is probably the best I’ve read,  
without going into the gory details of declawing.

Natalie

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your  
email program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.


I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally  
to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd  
rather declaw them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.


On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was  
going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about  
declawing, NOW!


There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are  
declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats  
peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it  
would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture!


I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when  
it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t  
on young(er) cats).


There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the  
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have  
had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all  
of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I  
to do – throw them out or kill them?  I found some homes that  
understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as  
they could.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is  
fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the  
nursing home is likely to require declawing.


On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:
That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a  
cat with

claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said,  
bites are a

natural defense for declawed cats!


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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread Terri Brown

Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to 
animals."

Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.

And I'd do it again.

I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Natalie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


  I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how a 
cat would feel if 

  he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they 
either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the 
corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of an 
article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes 
about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being 
scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
details of declawing.

  Natalie

   

  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

   

  Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

  I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  

  On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie 
mailto:at...@optonline.net>> wrote:

  OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going 
crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!

   

  There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I 
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead 
of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own 
furniture!

   

  I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an 
older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats).

   

  There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the 
damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill 
them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the 
problems as well as they could.

   

  From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM


  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

   

  Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough 
to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to 
require declawing.

  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie 
mailto:at...@optonline.net>> wrote:

  That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
  claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
  scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
  natural defense for declawed cats!

   


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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

that's an oldie but a goodie.

Lynda Wilson  wrote:

>Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much for 
>sharing. You are way too funny girl!  I love your sense of humor.  Gotta have 
>it to keep your sanity, right?!
>
>Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene.  Keep 
>us posted!
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Natalie 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM
>  Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle
>
>
>  A Trip to Costco 
>
>  Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for 
> my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman 
> behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So 
> since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I 
> didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I 
> probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that 
> I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes 
> coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. 
>
>  I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it 
> works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one 
> or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it 
> works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that 
> practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, 
> she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.  
> I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. 
>
>  I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was 
> laughing so hard. 
>
>  Costco won't let me shop there anymore. 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread Gloria Lane

Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, 
it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, 
torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w 
claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma 
or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat 
ruined by declaw. 

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika  wrote:

> It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without 
> you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves 
> TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine.  I've seen cats 
> who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who have been declawed do 
> absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes.
> 
> I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy 
> and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the 
> oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery 
> would provide pain meds.
> 
> At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into a 
> nursing home.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most 
> devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
> doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how 
> a cat would feel if
> 
> he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
> paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
> Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that 
> they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering 
> in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of 
> an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman 
> writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was 
> being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is 
> heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
> and post it.  It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory 
> details of declawing.
> 
> Natalie
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
> 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>  
> 
> Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
> program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
> 
> I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
> after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
> Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going 
> crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
> 
>  
> 
> There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I 
> guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere 
> instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the 
> tenants’ own furniture!
> 
>  
> 
> I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an 
> older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats).
> 
>  
> 
> There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
> psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
> abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all 
> the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or 
> kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt 
> with the problems as well as they could.
> 
>  
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
> 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> 
>  
> 
> Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough 
> to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to 
> require declawing.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
> claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
> scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
> natural defense for declawed cats!
> 
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

2011-08-26 Thread terrie

Thanks so much for the laugh! If someone ask that to me I will certainly remember this on my visit to Costco or wherever.
I needed the laugh as I'm worried about some family members on the east coast. I hope those of you on the east coast are going to be okay. If you need to evacuate do so!

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Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggleFrom: Natalie Date: Fri, August 26, 2011 3:46 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

2011-08-26 Thread Peggy Verdonck

LOL :-)

On Aug 26, 2011 9:36 PM, "Beth"  wrote:
> that's an oldie but a goodie.
>
> Lynda Wilson  wrote:
>
>>Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much
for sharing. You are way too funny girl! I love your sense of humor. Gotta
have it to keep your sanity, right?!
>>
>>Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene.
Keep us posted!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Natalie
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle
>>
>>
>> A Trip to Costco
>>
>> Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow
for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a
woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant?
So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I
didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I
probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that
I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes
coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms.
>>
>> I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that
it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat
one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so
it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that
practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified,
she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.
I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit
me.
>>
>> I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was
laughing so hard.
>>
>> Costco won't let me shop there anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane

ABSOLUTELY!  They only have us to make sure they are safe(-:

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 6:51 PM,  wrote:

> Since Katrina, I have been accumulating carriers (have 7 cats).  If I have
> to leave my home, they go with me.  I have an Astro van and all I have to do
> is put the seats down and I have plenty of room for the carriers.  I will
> leve my home and all else behind, but my cats go with me.  I can sleep in
> the van with them.
>
>
>  Bonnie Hogue  wrote:
> > This inspired me to tell this story:
> > I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago.  She was born to a feral
> > mother.  The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter
> and
> > fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again.  She thought, "Uh oh, bet she
> > had kittens."  So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of
> kittens
> > had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it
> > had rained heavily.  The only one to survive that storm was the grey
> tabby,
> > Stormy.  A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take
> > her kitten, so I got her.  That's why she's named Stormy.  Should've been
> > named "Lucky" or  " Miracle!"
> > ~Bonnie
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
> >
> > That's my huge worry, too!
> > Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded
> backyard
> > in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at
> > night, and got their mom and dad, too.  The baby is only5 wks old.  This
> was
> > just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
> >
> > On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
> > >Natalie
> > >
> > >Good  luck  with  the  hurricane!   I  hope  there is no damage and
> no
> > >frightened cats!
> > >
> > >~Bonnie
> >
> > I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I
> do
> > about the people.  These animals have no place to go and people do. I
> worry
> > just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate.
> My
> > first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are
> safe.
> > We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland
> at
> > 3,000 elevation.
> >
> > Lorrie
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

2011-08-26 Thread katskat1

Just add this to the consideration.

To summarize, 'declawing' is a misnomer.  When a cat is 'declawed'
they are having their toes amputated at the first knuckle.  Period.

Now, think about you having all ten toes cut off at the first knuckle.

Kat

On 8/26/11, Gloria Lane  wrote:
> Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust
> to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean,
> torturous.  Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w
> claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then
> grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who
> wants a cat ruined by declaw.
>
> Gloria
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika  wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going
>> without you.  I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn
>> themselves TO DEATH.  I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine.
>> I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer.  I have seen cats who have
>> been declawed do absolutely fine.  It isn't all as easy as it looks
>> sometimes.
>>
>> I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a
>> mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not
>> been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed.  I would hope any vet
>> doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds.
>>
>> At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I  went into a
>> nursing home.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>> I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most
>> devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more
>> heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust
>> me.  I wonder how a cat would feel if
>>
>> he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their
>> paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that
>> Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that
>> they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and
>> cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I
>> have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago,
>> where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s
>> oriental rug was being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out’s to
>> adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the
>> hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it.  It is probably the best
>> I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing.
>>
>> Natalie
>>
>>
>>
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>>
>>
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>
>>
>> Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email
>> program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>>
>> I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to
>> death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw
>> them.  Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>
>> OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going
>> crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
>>
>>
>>
>> There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I
>> guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere
>> instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the
>> tenants’ own furniture!
>>
>>
>>
>> I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an
>> older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er)
>> cats).
>>
>>
>>
>> There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the
>> psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a
>> few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but
>> all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them
>> out or kill them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications
>> and dealt with the problems as well as they could.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM
>>
>>
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>
>>
>>
>> Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate
>> enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is
>> likely to require declawing.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>
>> That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat
>> with
>> claws.  Dealing mostly with

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care 
about.

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie  wrote:

> There are some really stupid vets out there.  If you bring in a sick cat
> that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they
> cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating
> the sick cat.  My vet does NOT!  I know of one veterinary hospital that will
> NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
> 
> It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
> surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
> vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
> surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
> but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
> injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
> annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
> vaccinate again.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
>>   Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
>>   pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
>>   specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
>>   ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
>>   lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
>>   incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
>>   specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
>>   elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
>>   they are strictly indoor cats!
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors