Re: more questions and thankyou

[Dorothy Noble]

Belinda wrote:
  FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO 
BELIEVING.� You can believe and do with your pets as you please but 
please don't post information you find on the internet as the absolute 
truth.� Anytime I hear that a negative has turned positive from exposure 
I can promise you almost all the time the cat was not vaccinated or tested a 
false negative and was positive all along.� A healthy vaccinated adult 
cat has virtually 0 chance of getting infected from a positive.� And if 
they did they would almost certainly fight it off.�
   
  The funny thing is - you sound as if you are trying to say that you know my 
situation.  You; just another uninformed person on the internet...(remember, 
you are the one who said "not all the information you find on the internet is 
accurate".)
   
  Have you ever heard of a library, Belinda?  Or a veterinarian?  Perhaps those 
are sources you would like to consider, although I am sure that in your 
opinion, they are not accurate either.  
  I have done TONS of independent research and I also speak from personal 
experience.  
  Since you obviously do NOT know my situation, let me tell you about it.  
   
  Armond came to me at 4 weeks old - FeLV negative and always immunized.  He 
was still negative at age 8 years when we moved to a new state and all of the 
animals were tested again before moving.
  At age 8 1/2, we brought a stray in; after 6 months she got sick and we 
discovered she was FeLV positive.  Knowing that it is extremely contagious, our 
vet wanted Armond tested immediately.  Sure enough, he was positive also.  
Coincidence?  Every other test was a false negative?  I hardly think so and I'm 
sure you will agree that it is highly doubtful that Armond just happened to be 
a carrier for his entire life with it just showing up after he lived with the 
FeLV kitty for 6 months.  
   
  In the paragraph above (where I highlighted your ridiculous comment) I see 
where you are trying to justify putting your own cats at risk.  Since you can 
"promise" that the cat was "positive all along" you relieve yourself of any 
responsibility for intentionally putting them at risk for infection.  Shame on 
you.
   
  How dare you have the audacity to say that "FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME 
VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO BELIEVING." ? What part of this situation do you not 
understand?  And, how dare you pass this false information on to others?  What 
a terrible disservice you have done to anyone who reads this.  I am disgusted 
to think that people are listening to you and taking your advice.
   
  I would like to know where you attended veterinary school and what your gripe 
is with Cornell University?  (One of the finest in the country, however you 
think that you are more knowledgable than their experts. Amazing...)
   
  I can assure you that I will not return to this "support group" again. I 
refuse to participate in a battle of wills with someone like you.  Please do 
your homework about this before you feel the need to give any more possibly 
fatal advice.
   
  Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  All I'm saying is not all the information you find on the internet is 
accurate and if you think it is your in for a rude awakening.  Your highlighted 
in yellow info is not correct.

I'm speaking from experience, mine and many others on the list.  My vet was 
fully aware of my situation, Bailey was 5 months old when I found him, I had 3 
cats at the time and Bailey was + the others all negative and vaccinated.

He was separate because I had just been in a situation of having 5 cats, 4 
positive.  I lost 3, one turned negative and the 5th never had it, she had 
lived with all the at the time unknown positives from 6 weeks of age.  This was 
back in the late 80's, early 90's before very much was known about FeLV and my 
then vet was very old and told me I didn't have to worry or vaccinate since my 
guys were all indoors.  Well something I or he never thought about, they all 
had lives before me.  I don't know who had it or if anyone gave it to anyone, I 
just know when I decided to see a different vet I had them all checked and 4 
were positive.  I lost 3 of them in 15 months, they were all older, 5, 7, and 9 
years old.  Teenye turned negative and lived to be 16, and Buddie was negative 
her whole life, unvaccinated and living together with the rest for years before 
I knew anyone had it.  Once I found out, she was vaccinated regularly but not 
separated.

Anyway back to Bailey, 3 vets told me to euthanize him, that he would be dead 
in 3 months and infect all my others.   After finding out that Joey was 
sneaking under his door and playing with him while I was at work I decided to 
let him out and to keep him.  He lived, ate with, played with, groomed, and on 
occasion had fights with all of his house mates, all who were negative and 
vaccinated.  In 11 years nobody got it from him, he passed away in 2006 at age 
11, so all the vets 

Re: more questions and thankyou

[Belinda Sauro]

All I'm saying is not all the information you find on the internet is 
accurate and if you think it is your in for a rude awakening.  Your 
highlighted in yellow info is not correct.


I'm speaking from experience, mine and many others on the list.  My vet 
was fully aware of my situation, Bailey was 5 months old when I found 
him, I had 3 cats at the time and Bailey was + the others all negative 
and vaccinated.


He was separate because I had just been in a situation of having 5 cats, 
4 positive.  I lost 3, one turned negative and the 5th never had it, she 
had lived with all the at the time unknown positives from 6 weeks of 
age.  This was back in the late 80's, early 90's before very much was 
known about FeLV and my then vet was very old and told me I didn't have 
to worry or vaccinate since my guys were all indoors.  Well something I 
or he never thought about, they all had lives before me.  I don't know 
who had it or if anyone gave it to anyone, I just know when I decided to 
see a different vet I had them all checked and 4 were positive.  I lost 
3 of them in 15 months, they were all older, 5, 7, and 9 years old.  
Teenye turned negative and lived to be 16, and Buddie was negative her 
whole life, unvaccinated and living together with the rest for years 
before I knew anyone had it.  Once I found out, she was vaccinated 
regularly but not separated.


Anyway back to Bailey, 3 vets told me to euthanize him, that he would be 
dead in 3 months and infect all my others.   After finding out that Joey 
was sneaking under his door and playing with him while I was at work I 
decided to let him out and to keep him.  He lived, ate with, played 
with, groomed, and on occasion had fights with all of his house mates, 
all who were negative and vaccinated.  In 11 years nobody got it from 
him, he passed away in 2006 at age 11, so all the vets were wrong and my 
gut and experience were right.  My now vet knew about and gave her 
blessing to our living arrangements.  She tried desperately to save 
Bailey when he got sick but it wasn't to be.  I would not do anything 
different if I were to do it over again.


FeLV IS NOT AS CONTAGIOUS AS SOME VETS TRY TO SCARE YOU INTO BELIEVING.  
You can believe and do with your pets as you please but please don't 
post information you find on the internet as the absolute truth.  
Anytime I hear that a negative has turned positive from exposure I can 
promise you almost all the time the cat was not vaccinated or tested a 
false negative and was positive all along.  A healthy vaccinated adult 
cat has virtually 0 chance of getting infected from a positive.  And if 
they did they would almost certainly fight it off.  Where did you find 
the quote below, it looks very familar.  And as I said before, Cornells 
info is outdated they haven't updated that in 10 years at least, it is 
inaccurate.


I truthfully have no idea which or how many of my original 5 had FeLV, 
several of them were sickly all their lives, several were related, 3 of 
the 5 were related.  None were vaccinated because my very old vet 
obviously didn't know much about it and told me they were all OK and I 
didn't need to test or vaccinate.


That was my wake call and when I started to learn more about it.  I had 
no thought to have anymore positives when I found Bailey but that the 
way someone else planned it and we did the best we could in our 
situation.  As I expect you are, I just don't want new people reading 
inaccurate info thinking it is correct.  I visited Cornells website when 
I got a computer and their info hasn't changed.  There is much more 
known about FeLV than there was 10 years ago but Cornell hasn't posted 
any of it so as far as I'm concerned their info is inaccurate.


All this is my first hand exerpience and opinions, the best place to get 
accurate info is from a vet who is knowledgable about FeLV and goes to 
continued education seminars, not the internet.  I'll take other people 
experiences over the internet anyday, but as with you the final decision 
is mine and mine alone.


*W*_*hat can I do now to protect my cats*_*??** The only method for 
protecting your cats is to remove any FELV-positive cat from other 
cats completely. You should also follow strict quarantine procedures 
including separate utensils, housing, litter pans for the FELV 
positive cat, and thoroughly washing your hands, clothing and shoes 
after handling and caring for the FELV positive cat. Do not breed an 
FELV positive queen!! If you lose a cat to FELV, it is recommended 
that you wait 30 days before bringing in a new cat, and then only 
after the area has been thoroughly scrubbed and disinfected with a 
solution containing 4 ounces of household bleach per gallon of water, 
rugs vacuumed completely, and all litter pans, food dishes, bedding, 
etc. have been replaced.*


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[Belinda Sauro]

Also inaccurate

*Due to the extreme contagiousness*


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new hope for Boo

[Lynne]

Well, after bawling a lot last night and conferring with my husband while at 
work today I faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know that Bob and I 
would try any treatment that may possibly give BooBoo more time on this earth 
with us and I made a couple suggestions.  To my surprise he told me I could 
pick the interferon up tomorrow at the pharmacy I deal with and he would start 
the injections Saturday.  The other vet said it would do no good at this stage, 
but BooBoo's primary caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that is if 
we wish to go through with it.  I was so desparate today I wondered if he could 
be transfused to give him a better shot at battling this and he will be 
transfused next week.  His vet said they have a donor for him that is 
vaccinated yearly.  I didn't actually think there would be a live donor and was 
kind of dismayed to think another cat would have to do this for us but the vet 
assured me with cats their blood store is totally back to normal in a short 
time.  I even had a pharmacy tech offer her Himalayan as a donor.  I truly do 
not know if this will do any good whatsoever but what is there left to do.  If 
new blood and interferon can't help him, I honestly believe we can do nothing 
more.  I asked about other drugs too but the vet said he was really happy and 
thankful we're willing to go this far for him.  He has 3 cats of his own and 
does love cats.  He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP aren't given 
these chances so this is a first for him.  I know he will do everything he can 
to help BooBoo.  He really loves him too..If we can just give him a fighting 
chance here I'll try this Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today.  

Lynne

RE: FIV

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I believe everything you've said is correct.  The kind of intermingling
of bodily fluids that comes only with deep bite wounds (or intercourse)
is the way FIV is transmitted.  In this way FIV is similar to HIV, but
its manifestations and treatment are not.  It's basically the good-food
and watchfulness regimen, and many positive cats remain asymptomatic
throughout their generally normal lifespan.  I haven't owned an FIV+ cat
but had some contact with a couple back when I volunteered at the local
Katrina shelter, and they were both big, sweet, healthy guys.  One of
them got to go back home -- they located his owner who unhesitatingly
took him back even knowing the diagnosis.  We all bawled for joy all
over him the day he shipped out.  He must have thought we were all nuts,
slobbering on him like that.  The other guy was, I believe, adopted by
someone as their only cat.  At the Katrina shelter we had to take
precautions, but in the normal course of things, having learned what I
have about FIV (mostly in the course of learning about FeLV), I wouldn't
hesitate to intermingle a non-aggressive positive cat with others.  Of
course, placement with other positive cats would be extra-ideal from a
safety standpoint.  Good luck with this little guy.
 
Diane R.



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline
Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: FIV


Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to
me?  I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have "met" and
lost the battle to- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh).  I have
heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives
barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot
like human HIV?  I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is
transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact?
 
I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around
his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV.  He was clearly
neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear.  He says it's a
wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie.  He has him in the bedroom for now (his
only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely
aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around
outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out
their differences and they will fight.  He wishes he could keep the cat
but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being
a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as
possible due to transmission to his cat.  
 
The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an
abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u
next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and
said "segregate!"- as they always do.
 
I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a
"special needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a
non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc.,
would be willing to take him on.  In the meantime, this man has agreed
to continue to "foster" him in his home while I work to help him out
with the situation.   
 
In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have "talking
points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o
prior FIV experience is willing to take him.  The man seems to
understand that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot
worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he
seems well-educated.  
 
Any info that anyone has will be great!  Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to
others!
 
thanks,
Caroline  




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Re: FIV

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi Caroline,

Not direct experience, but I am on a good FIV yahoo group.  It is absolutely
true it is caused by deep bite wounds.  To make matters more complicated, a
positive test result can be caused by vaccinating the cat against FIV.
There is now a test to see if the positive result is caused by the FIV
vaccine or actual exposure to FIV, but it involves sending the blood off to
a certain lab in California, I believe.

Here is the FIV Yahoo group:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats


On 2/28/08, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to
> me?  I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have "met" *and
> lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh).  I have
> heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely
> affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human
> HIV?  I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by
> deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact?
>
> I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his
> house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV.  He was clearly
> neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear.  He says it's a
> wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie.  He has him in the bedroom for now (his only
> room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely
> aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around
> outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their
> differences and they will fight.  He wishes he could keep the cat but with
> his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter
> when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due
> to transmission to his cat.
>
> The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an
> abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u
> next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and
> said "segregate!"- as they always do.
>
> I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a "special
> needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive
> cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to
> take him on.  In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to "foster"
> him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation.
>
> In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have "talking
> points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o
> prior FIV experience is willing to take him.  The man seems to understand
> that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv
> or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated.
>
> Any info that anyone has will be great!  Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
> and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others!
>
> thanks,
> Caroline
>
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FIV

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me?  I 
know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have "met" and lost the battle 
to- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh).  I have heard that cats with FIV 
can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is 
this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV?  I have also heard this is 
the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual 
contact?
 
I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his 
house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV.  He was clearly neutered 
by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear.  He says it's a wonderful, 
approx. 5 yo tuxie.  He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a 
door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered 
male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the 
house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will 
fight.  He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an 
aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat 
mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. 
 
 
The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on 
his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but 
it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said "segregate!"- as 
they always do.
 
I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a "special 
needs" cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, 
with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him 
on.  In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to "foster" him in his 
home while I work to help him out with the situation.   
 
In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have "talking 
points" for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior 
FIV experience is willing to take him.  The man seems to understand that he 
could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so 
he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated.  
 
Any info that anyone has will be great!  Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and/or 
accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others!
 
thanks,
Caroline  
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RE: more questions and thankyou

[Chris]

Well, she's had a few episodes of very low white blood counts in the last
few years.  Each time, vet treated her with immune regulin and it bounced
back up.  She's a hefty 18 pounds, a cantankerous calico.   I will when I
get a chance find the references to the need for repeated testing of kittens
in order to really rule FELV out.   

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: more questions and thankyou

 

Chris- it sounds like she was a "carrier?"  Have you heard this term used
before as it relates to Felv?  When Monkee tested positive for the third
time, my vet said it didn't look good for him to "just be a carrier"- a cat
that carries it in the bloodstream, but not in the bone marrow where it
would actually be replicated and circulated throughout the whole body.
Obviously, it was in his bone marrow and I didn't need to put him thru a
needle aspiration to find that out.  I think carriers-only is possible tho
w/ Felv and I guess it's what we all hope for, especially if a cat is
asymptomatic and thus, not "viremic"- aka, actively shedding the virus, then
yes, it's possible to have multiple false negatives- and also possible for
the carrier cat to not transmit the virus to others, no matter what the
contact- b/c the cat is not "shedding" the virus.   
 
I think we all need to keep in mind that Felv is a VIRUS (despite it's
misleading name- just as FIP has a misleading name).  Viruses in general are
extremely complex and extremely misunderstood.  They are very complicated.
Nothing is 100% when it comes to viruses and we need to remember that.  No
vaccine is 100% against a virus, but on the other hand, exposure is also not
100% for contraction.  Example, we are all exposed to the human herpes virus
so much more than any of us of want to think- and some of us probably are
carrying it some where in our bodies, yet we are asymptomatic- but not every
single one of us in the world "has" herpes!!!  That is just one easy
example, but there are many others for sure.  Some of us have better immune
systems than others.  Some people can be faced with an onslaught of viruses
and never come down with anything.  We are all exposed to viruses everyday
(and I do mean viruses, not bacteria-- altho that too!), but we aren't all
"sick."  Because viruses are ancient and they constantly mutate, it's not
worth fretting over daily unless you are one of the researchers devoting
your life to studying them them in a lab!  
 
We do the best we can, period.  As much as we don't want to admit it, all of
our cats WILL die...period.  Yes, we want them to have a long, pain free
life, but that can't always be accomplished so the best we can aim for is to
give them a sheltered and loving life- long or short.  If you spend all of
your time worrying and fretting over them, then you are cheating your cat
out of quality time spent with you.  
 
caroline  



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Subject: RE: more questions and thankyou
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:06:55 -0500

Dorothy

You are correct in the fact that this is what's on the Cornell web
site-unfortunately that site has not been updated in years and does indeed
contain some very outdated info.  That info was then used by a variety of
other sites as gospel and therein the dilemma.  I know there are other
references, more recent, that verify the 'if it dries-it dies' construct.  I
spent hours and hours researching when my Tucson was first diagnosed at age
5 and that first hit on the Cornell site gave me countless hours of
sleepness nights! And you are correct in saying that FELV vaccine is not
100%--no vaccine is.  But one thing I did learn in my readings became a
critical piece of info when I was trying to figure things out.  My Tucson
had been tested when I first got her at about 8 weeks old & she was neg.
Then all of a sudden, almost 5 years later, she tested positive.  She was an
indoor only cat from the moment I got her & the other 3 cats I had, (2 of
whom came in as kittens after I got Tucson) consistently tested neg when I
had them tested as adults.  Turns out that depending on the 'stage' of the
virus when snap test is administered, the results can be a false negative.
Indeed, the ideal protocol for kittens is to test at the point of weaning,
and if neg, test again no sooner than 6-9 months-of course, that would
eliminate all adoptions!  Anyway, based on my personal experience (such as
it is) & the exhaustive reading and consulting I did, I (and the 2 vets who
treated Tucson) were convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that she harbored
the virus all along.  And, it is not such a transmittable disease because
the 3 cats she li

RE: more questions and thankyou

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Chris- it sounds like she was a "carrier?"  Have you heard this term used 
before as it relates to Felv?  When Monkee tested positive for the third time, 
my vet said it didn't look good for him to "just be a carrier"- a cat that 
carries it in the bloodstream, but not in the bone marrow where it would 
actually be replicated and circulated throughout the whole body.  Obviously, it 
was in his bone marrow and I didn't need to put him thru a needle aspiration to 
find that out.  I think carriers-only is possible tho w/ Felv and I guess it's 
what we all hope for, especially if a cat is asymptomatic and thus, not 
"viremic"- aka, actively shedding the virus, then yes, it's possible to have 
multiple false negatives- and also possible for the carrier cat to not transmit 
the virus to others, no matter what the contact- b/c the cat is not "shedding" 
the virus.   
 
I think we all need to keep in mind that Felv is a VIRUS (despite it's 
misleading name- just as FIP has a misleading name).  Viruses in general are 
extremely complex and extremely misunderstood.  They are very complicated.  
Nothing is 100% when it comes to viruses and we need to remember that.  No 
vaccine is 100% against a virus, but on the other hand, exposure is also not 
100% for contraction.  Example, we are all exposed to the human herpes virus so 
much more than any of us of want to think- and some of us probably are carrying 
it some where in our bodies, yet we are asymptomatic- but not every single one 
of us in the world "has" herpes!!!  That is just one easy example, but there 
are many others for sure.  Some of us have better immune systems than others.  
Some people can be faced with an onslaught of viruses and never come down with 
anything.  We are all exposed to viruses everyday (and I do mean viruses, not 
bacteria-- altho that too!), but we aren't all "sick."  Because viruses are 
ancient and they constantly mutate, it's not worth fretting over daily unless 
you are one of the researchers devoting your life to studying them them in a 
lab!  
 
We do the best we can, period.  As much as we don't want to admit it, all of 
our cats WILL die...period.  Yes, we want them to have a long, pain free life, 
but that can't always be accomplished so the best we can aim for is to give 
them a sheltered and loving life- long or short.  If you spend all of your time 
worrying and fretting over them, then you are cheating your cat out of quality 
time spent with you.  
 
caroline  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: more questions and 
thankyouDate: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:06:55 -0500






Dorothy
You are correct in the fact that this is what’s on the Cornell web 
site—unfortunately that site has not been updated in years and does indeed 
contain some very outdated info.  That info was then used by a variety of other 
sites as gospel and therein the dilemma.  I know there are other references, 
more recent, that verify the ‘if it dries—it dies’ construct.  I spent hours 
and hours researching when my Tucson was first diagnosed at age 5 and that 
first hit on the Cornell site gave me countless hours of sleepness nights! And 
you are correct in saying that FELV vaccine is not 100%--no vaccine is.  But 
one thing I did learn in my readings became a critical piece of info when I was 
trying to figure things out.  My Tucson had been tested when I first got her at 
about 8 weeks old & she was neg.  Then all of a sudden, almost 5 years later, 
she tested positive.  She was an indoor only cat from the moment I got her & 
the other 3 cats I had, (2 of whom came in as kittens after I got Tucson) 
consistently tested neg when I had them tested as adults.  Turns out that 
depending on the ‘stage’ of the virus when snap test is administered, the 
results can be a false negative.  Indeed, the ideal protocol for kittens is to 
test at the point of weaning, and if neg, test again no sooner than 6-9 
months—of course, that would eliminate all adoptions!  Anyway, based on my 
personal experience (such as it is) & the exhaustive reading and consulting I 
did, I (and the 2 vets who treated Tucson) were convinced beyond a shadow of a 
doubt that she harbored the virus all along.  And, it is not such a 
transmittable disease because the 3 cats she lived with all those years are 
still neg, still share food/water dishes, litter boxes etc.  The only changes I 
made after Tucson’s diagnosis was to vaccinate the other 3—and yes, I took in  
a stray I’d been feeding for two years who was never sick a day in his life and 
he turned out to be positive…   
 
Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
www.findkpets.org
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy 
NobleSent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more 
questions and thankyou
 

You are welcome to describe my info

RE: more questions and thankyou

[Chris]

One more thing about transmission-a very wise vet once said to me that the
FELV virus is not a new virus, its been around since the dinosaurs!  If it
were than transmittable, the cat species would have died out long ago.

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: more questions and thankyou

 

Obviously, Dorothy, treat your cats the way you're comfortable with, but as
someone else has stated, the Cornell info *is* outdated.  If FeLV were as
hugely contagious as stated, I would now have 4 cats dead of it, since our
Patches escaped our quarantine the first night he was with us, and
interacted freely with whichever of our cats cared to acknowledge his
presence for at least 3 hours, and may have had some of their food and drink
as well.  Everybody is as robust as ever.  Patches was already in the
lymph-node-involvement stage, and only lasted 7 weeks with us after that.
But if he hadn't been sick pretty much the entire time he was with us, we
would probably have had the others vaccinated and let him mingle with them.
He so wanted to be out with us, and instead he had to stay in a room alone
most of the day. :-(

 

Don't be affronted about your info being called wrong.  It's easy to do, it
seems like there's more wrong info out there than right.  

 

Diane R.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy Noble
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more questions and thankyou

You are welcome to describe my information as "inaccurate";  I wrote:
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several
places that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a +
cat has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you
should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you should
introduce a new negative cat into the household.

 

I would think that the Cornell University (as well as all of the others
documented below) hold a certain amount of credibility - more so than any
layman just posting their opinions here.  

Whatever you believe, I would ALWAYS err on the side of caution and keep all
of the litterboxes, bowls, etc separate.  Without knowing it, I put my
negative cats at risk; they had all been vaccinated for FeLV but it isn't
100% effective.  Due to the extreme contagiousness, one of my vaccinated
cats now is FeLV positive.  Please note the yellow highlighted part below -
by following this strictly, my other negative cat remained negative.

Suit yourself, but I prefer to be proactive with my cats.

 

What can I do now to protect my cats?? The only method for protecting your
cats is to remove any FELV-positive cat from other cats completely. You
should also follow strict quarantine procedures including separate utensils,
housing, litter pans for the FELV positive cat, and thoroughly washing your
hands, clothing and shoes after handling and caring for the FELV positive
cat. Do not breed an FELV positive queen!! If you lose a cat to FELV, it is
recommended that you wait 30 days before bringing in a new cat, and then
only after the area has been thoroughly scrubbed and disinfected with a
solution containing 4 ounces of household bleach per gallon of water, rugs
vacuumed completely, and all litter pans, food dishes, bedding, etc. have
been replaced. 


-

*   FeLV is considerably unstable and will not survive outside an
infected cat for an extended length of time. It is recommended to wait at
least 30 days before a new cat is brought into the household/facility in
which a FeLV-positive cat once lived 
*   Cleaning:
Thoroughly disinfect or replace the food dishes, litter pans, and bedding
that were used by the infected cat.
Tile or hard surfaced floors should be cleaned and disinfected with a
diluted bleach solution (approx. 4 oz. household bleach to 1 gal. water). 
Thoroughly vacuum rugs to eliminate the virus from carpeting. 
*   These plus the thirty-day quarantine, should be sufficient to
eliminate the virus within the household. 

--

Keep a FeLV-infected cat indoors and away from other cats. If the cat dies
from FeLV, the Cornell Feline Health Center recommends a waiting period of
at least 30 days before getting another cat. The house and cat supplies
should be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected before bringing a new cat home.

An FeLV-positive cat that is not sick is probably still shedding the virus.
FeLV-positive cats should not be housed with other cats. Deciding what to do
with an FeLV-positive cat in 

RE: more questions and thankyou

[Chris]

Dorothy

You are correct in the fact that this is what's on the Cornell web
site-unfortunately that site has not been updated in years and does indeed
contain some very outdated info.  That info was then used by a variety of
other sites as gospel and therein the dilemma.  I know there are other
references, more recent, that verify the 'if it dries-it dies' construct.  I
spent hours and hours researching when my Tucson was first diagnosed at age
5 and that first hit on the Cornell site gave me countless hours of
sleepness nights! And you are correct in saying that FELV vaccine is not
100%--no vaccine is.  But one thing I did learn in my readings became a
critical piece of info when I was trying to figure things out.  My Tucson
had been tested when I first got her at about 8 weeks old & she was neg.
Then all of a sudden, almost 5 years later, she tested positive.  She was an
indoor only cat from the moment I got her & the other 3 cats I had, (2 of
whom came in as kittens after I got Tucson) consistently tested neg when I
had them tested as adults.  Turns out that depending on the 'stage' of the
virus when snap test is administered, the results can be a false negative.
Indeed, the ideal protocol for kittens is to test at the point of weaning,
and if neg, test again no sooner than 6-9 months-of course, that would
eliminate all adoptions!  Anyway, based on my personal experience (such as
it is) & the exhaustive reading and consulting I did, I (and the 2 vets who
treated Tucson) were convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that she harbored
the virus all along.  And, it is not such a transmittable disease because
the 3 cats she lived with all those years are still neg, still share
food/water dishes, litter boxes etc.  The only changes I made after Tucson's
diagnosis was to vaccinate the other 3-and yes, I took in  a stray I'd been
feeding for two years who was never sick a day in his life and he turned out
to be positive.   

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy Noble
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more questions and thankyou

 

You are welcome to describe my information as "inaccurate";  I wrote:
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several
places that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a +
cat has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you
should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you should
introduce a new negative cat into the household.

 

I would think that the Cornell University (as well as all of the others
documented below) hold a certain amount of credibility - more so than any
layman just posting their opinions here.  

Whatever you believe, I would ALWAYS err on the side of caution and keep all
of the litterboxes, bowls, etc separate.  Without knowing it, I put my
negative cats at risk; they had all been vaccinated for FeLV but it isn't
100% effective.  Due to the extreme contagiousness, one of my vaccinated
cats now is FeLV positive.  Please note the yellow highlighted part below -
by following this strictly, my other negative cat remained negative.

Suit yourself, but I prefer to be proactive with my cats.

 

What can I do now to protect my cats?? The only method for protecting your
cats is to remove any FELV-positive cat from other cats completely. You
should also follow strict quarantine procedures including separate utensils,
housing, litter pans for the FELV positive cat, and thoroughly washing your
hands, clothing and shoes after handling and caring for the FELV positive
cat. Do not breed an FELV positive queen!! If you lose a cat to FELV, it is
recommended that you wait 30 days before bringing in a new cat, and then
only after the area has been thoroughly scrubbed and disinfected with a
solution containing 4 ounces of household bleach per gallon of water, rugs
vacuumed completely, and all litter pans, food dishes, bedding, etc. have
been replaced. 


-

*   FeLV is considerably unstable and will not survive outside an
infected cat for an extended length of time. It is recommended to wait at
least 30 days before a new cat is brought into the household/facility in
which a FeLV-positive cat once lived 
*   Cleaning:
Thoroughly disinfect or replace the food dishes, litter pans, and bedding
that were used by the infected cat.
Tile or hard surfaced floors should be cleaned and disinfected with a
diluted bleach solution (approx. 4 oz. household bleach to 1 gal. water). 
Thoroughly vacuum rugs to eliminate the virus from carpeting. 
*   These plus the thirty-day quarantine, should be sufficient to
eliminate the virus within the household. 

RE: more questions and thankyou

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

My 2 cents worth: when I first needed to find out as much as poss about
FeLV, one of the many sites I went on was the Cornell---and, barely
educated as i was about the virus, I was shocked and disappointed to
find (from other more recent, corroborated, credible research), that
their information was incorrect/outdated. Also, the last update that
Cornell had made to their site at the time I visited it, Jan 2004, was
stated to be June 2003.
I can't give you the specifics of their incorrect info now as it was 4
years ago, but I've never gone back to their website.
Kerry M



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy Noble
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more questions and thankyou


You are welcome to describe my information as "inaccurate";  I wrote:
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several
places that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a
+
cat has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you
should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you should
introduce a new negative cat into the household.
 
I would think that the Cornell University (as well as all of the others
documented below) hold a certain amount of credibility - more so than
any layman just posting their opinions here.  
Whatever you believe, I would ALWAYS err on the side of caution and keep
all of the litterboxes, bowls, etc separate.  Without knowing it, I put
my negative cats at risk; they had all been vaccinated for FeLV but it
isn't 100% effective.  Due to the extreme contagiousness, one of my
vaccinated cats now is FeLV positive.  Please note the yellow
highlighted part below - by following this strictly, my other negative
cat remained negative.
Suit yourself, but I prefer to be proactive with my cats.
 
What can I do now to protect my cats?? The only method for protecting
your cats is to remove any FELV-positive cat from other cats completely.
You should also follow strict quarantine procedures including separate
utensils, housing, litter pans for the FELV positive cat, and thoroughly
washing your hands, clothing and shoes after handling and caring for the
FELV positive cat. Do not breed an FELV positive queen!! If you lose a
cat to FELV, it is recommended that you wait 30 days before bringing in
a new cat, and then only after the area has been thoroughly scrubbed and
disinfected with a solution containing 4 ounces of household bleach per
gallon of water, rugs vacuumed completely, and all litter pans, food
dishes, bedding, etc. have been replaced. 


-

*   FeLV is considerably unstable and will not survive outside an
infected cat for an extended length of time. It is recommended to wait
at least 30 days before a new cat is brought into the household/facility
in which a FeLV-positive cat once lived 
*   Cleaning:
Thoroughly disinfect or replace the food dishes, litter pans,
and bedding that were used by the infected cat.
Tile or hard surfaced floors should be cleaned and disinfected
with a diluted bleach solution (approx. 4 oz. household bleach to 1 gal.
water). 
Thoroughly vacuum rugs to eliminate the virus from carpeting. 
*   These plus the thirty-day quarantine, should be sufficient to
eliminate the virus within the household. 

--
Keep a FeLV-infected cat indoors and away from other cats. If the cat
dies from FeLV, the Cornell Feline Health Center recommends a waiting
period of at least 30 days before getting another cat. The house and cat
supplies should be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected before bringing a
new cat home.
An FeLV-positive cat that is not sick is probably still shedding the
virus. FeLV-positive cats should not be housed with other cats. Deciding
what to do with an FeLV-positive cat in a multicat household can be very
difficult. There are several options, including:

*   Euthanasia 
*   Finding a home for the FeLV-positive cat where it will be the
sole cat 
*   Isolating the FeLV-positive cat within the home, by keeping it
in a separate room and providing a separate litter tray and feeding bowl


Because FeLV can be spread through litter trays, water and food bowls,
and bedding, these should be disinfected with a solution containing 4
ounces of household bleach per 1 gallon of water, or they should be
replaced after isolating the FeLV-positive cat. Floors should be cleaned
and disinfected with a bleach solution, and rugs should be thoroughly
vacuumed.
 
-
If you have previously had a cat with FeLV, wait at least 30 days before
acquiring a new cat. During that time, all litterboxes and food bowls
should be replaced, and the premises cleaned thoroughly.


Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This is why inaccur

RE: more questions and thankyou

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Obviously, Dorothy, treat your cats the way you're comfortable with, but
as someone else has stated, the Cornell info *is* outdated.  If FeLV
were as hugely contagious as stated, I would now have 4 cats dead of it,
since our Patches escaped our quarantine the first night he was with us,
and interacted freely with whichever of our cats cared to acknowledge
his presence for at least 3 hours, and may have had some of their food
and drink as well.  Everybody is as robust as ever.  Patches was already
in the lymph-node-involvement stage, and only lasted 7 weeks with us
after that.  But if he hadn't been sick pretty much the entire time he
was with us, we would probably have had the others vaccinated and let
him mingle with them.  He so wanted to be out with us, and instead he
had to stay in a room alone most of the day. :-(
 
Don't be affronted about your info being called wrong.  It's easy to do,
it seems like there's more wrong info out there than right.  
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy Noble
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more questions and thankyou


You are welcome to describe my information as "inaccurate";  I wrote:
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several
places that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a
+
cat has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you
should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you should
introduce a new negative cat into the household.
 
I would think that the Cornell University (as well as all of the others
documented below) hold a certain amount of credibility - more so than
any layman just posting their opinions here.  
Whatever you believe, I would ALWAYS err on the side of caution and keep
all of the litterboxes, bowls, etc separate.  Without knowing it, I put
my negative cats at risk; they had all been vaccinated for FeLV but it
isn't 100% effective.  Due to the extreme contagiousness, one of my
vaccinated cats now is FeLV positive.  Please note the yellow
highlighted part below - by following this strictly, my other negative
cat remained negative.
Suit yourself, but I prefer to be proactive with my cats.
 
What can I do now to protect my cats?? The only method for protecting
your cats is to remove any FELV-positive cat from other cats completely.
You should also follow strict quarantine procedures including separate
utensils, housing, litter pans for the FELV positive cat, and thoroughly
washing your hands, clothing and shoes after handling and caring for the
FELV positive cat. Do not breed an FELV positive queen!! If you lose a
cat to FELV, it is recommended that you wait 30 days before bringing in
a new cat, and then only after the area has been thoroughly scrubbed and
disinfected with a solution containing 4 ounces of household bleach per
gallon of water, rugs vacuumed completely, and all litter pans, food
dishes, bedding, etc. have been replaced. 


-

*   FeLV is considerably unstable and will not survive outside an
infected cat for an extended length of time. It is recommended to wait
at least 30 days before a new cat is brought into the household/facility
in which a FeLV-positive cat once lived 
*   Cleaning:
Thoroughly disinfect or replace the food dishes, litter pans,
and bedding that were used by the infected cat.
Tile or hard surfaced floors should be cleaned and disinfected
with a diluted bleach solution (approx. 4 oz. household bleach to 1 gal.
water). 
Thoroughly vacuum rugs to eliminate the virus from carpeting. 
*   These plus the thirty-day quarantine, should be sufficient to
eliminate the virus within the household. 

--
Keep a FeLV-infected cat indoors and away from other cats. If the cat
dies from FeLV, the Cornell Feline Health Center recommends a waiting
period of at least 30 days before getting another cat. The house and cat
supplies should be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected before bringing a
new cat home.
An FeLV-positive cat that is not sick is probably still shedding the
virus. FeLV-positive cats should not be housed with other cats. Deciding
what to do with an FeLV-positive cat in a multicat household can be very
difficult. There are several options, including:

*   Euthanasia 
*   Finding a home for the FeLV-positive cat where it will be the
sole cat 
*   Isolating the FeLV-positive cat within the home, by keeping it
in a separate room and providing a separate litter tray and feeding bowl


Because FeLV can be spread through litter trays, water and food bowls,
and bedding, these should be disinfected with a solution containing 4
ounces of household bleach per 1 gallon of water, or they should be
replaced after isolating the FeLV-positive cat. Floors s

Re: more questions and thankyou

[Dorothy Noble]

You are welcome to describe my information as "inaccurate";  I wrote: 
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several
 places that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a +
 cat has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you
 should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you should
 introduce a new negative cat into the household.
   
  I would think that the Cornell University (as well as all of the others 
documented below) hold a certain amount of credibility - more so than any 
layman just posting their opinions here.  
  Whatever you believe, I would ALWAYS err on the side of caution and keep all 
of the litterboxes, bowls, etc separate.  Without knowing it, I put my negative 
cats at risk; they had all been vaccinated for FeLV but it isn't 100% 
effective.  Due to the extreme contagiousness, one of my vaccinated cats now is 
FeLV positive.  Please note the yellow highlighted part below - by following 
this strictly, my other negative cat remained negative.
  Suit yourself, but I prefer to be proactive with my cats.
   
  What can I do now to protect my cats?? The only method for protecting your 
cats is to remove any FELV-positive cat from other cats completely. You should 
also follow strict quarantine procedures including separate utensils, housing, 
litter pans for the FELV positive cat, and thoroughly washing your hands, 
clothing and shoes after handling and caring for the FELV positive cat. Do not 
breed an FELV positive queen!! If you lose a cat to FELV, it is recommended 
that you wait 30 days before bringing in a new cat, and then only after the 
area has been thoroughly scrubbed and disinfected with a solution containing 4 
ounces of household bleach per gallon of water, rugs vacuumed completely, and 
all litter pans, food dishes, bedding, etc. have been replaced. 

  
-

   FeLV is considerably unstable and will not survive outside an infected cat 
for an extended length of time. It is recommended to wait at least 30 days 
before a new cat is brought into the household/facility in which a 
FeLV-positive cat once lived   
   Cleaning:
Thoroughly disinfect or replace the food dishes, litter pans, and bedding that 
were used by the infected cat.
Tile or hard surfaced floors should be cleaned and disinfected with a diluted 
bleach solution (approx. 4 oz. household bleach to 1 gal. water). 
Thoroughly vacuum rugs to eliminate the virus from carpeting.   
   These plus the thirty-day quarantine, should be sufficient to eliminate the 
virus within the household. 
  --
  Keep a FeLV-infected cat indoors and away from other cats. If the cat dies 
from FeLV, the Cornell Feline Health Center recommends a waiting period of at 
least 30 days before getting another cat. The house and cat supplies should be 
thoroughly cleaned and disinfected before bringing a new cat home.
  An FeLV-positive cat that is not sick is probably still shedding the virus. 
FeLV-positive cats should not be housed with other cats. Deciding what to do 
with an FeLV-positive cat in a multicat household can be very difficult. There 
are several options, including:

   Euthanasia   
   Finding a home for the FeLV-positive cat where it will be the sole cat   
   Isolating the FeLV-positive cat within the home, by keeping it in a separate 
room and providing a separate litter tray and feeding bowl 
  Because FeLV can be spread through litter trays, water and food bowls, and 
bedding, these should be disinfected with a solution containing 4 ounces of 
household bleach per 1 gallon of water, or they should be replaced after 
isolating the FeLV-positive cat. Floors should be cleaned and disinfected with 
a bleach solution, and rugs should be thoroughly vacuumed.
   
  -
  If you have previously had a cat with FeLV, wait at least 30 days before 
acquiring a new cat. During that time, all litterboxes and food bowls should be 
replaced, and the premises cleaned thoroughly.
  

Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  This is why inaccurate information is so harmful, Dorthys info is 
wrong, it dries it dies, talk to any vet who is knowledgable about FeLV 
if you can find one, there aren't many even today it seems.

> Now I am worried. I have been taking good care of Buzz's dishes and washing 
> my hands after I leave his room. If this virus lasts on clothing then I have 
> put my other cats at risk every time I pick them up in spite of the 
> precautions.

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Re: l-lysine or viralys

[Kelley Saveika]

Missy says - YUCK - I do not like Viralys!  Mommy, please don't make me eat
it!

On 2/28/08, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Hello. I bought a pill crusher and crushed the tablets.  I gave 1/2 in AM
> sprinkled on small amount of canned food (to make sure they get the entire
> dose) and 1/2 in PM ~ same way. They are 500 mg tablets. Or you can double
> the dose, too. I use Nature Made. The pill crusher I have has a place to
> store the rest of the powder from the pill. I got both at Walgreens.
> OR you can by Viralys (from a vet or online) which is a flavored powder
> for kittys and they love the taste. L-lysine is tasteless so using regular
> l-lysine is not a taste issue.
> Good luck. It works miracles here!
> Laurie
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:36 AM
> *Subject:* RE: l-lysine
>
>
> Get it from a nutrition place like GNC, and make sure you get the kind
> without additives.  Most of the stuff you get at drug stores will have -- I
> can't remember the name of the stuff, but it's bad for cats -- added to it.
>
> Diane R.
>
>  --
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Beth Gouldin
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:04 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* l-lysine
>
>
> I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've
> read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just
> eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but
> some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something
> else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I
> want o have her as healthy as physically possible.
> Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use?  I've seen tablets (which I
> would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific
> type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ?
>
> Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to
> non-symptomatic felv+ cats?
>
> --
> Beth Gouldin
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> 940.395.5393
>
> God Bless!!!
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RE: more bad news

[Caroline Kaufmann]

You really need to start thinking about getting him Pred.  It doesn't matter 
WHAT it is that it affecting him, but whatever it is, it is bad.  He has fluid 
in his lungs and he can't be comfortable with the aspirations.  The Pred will 
increase his quality of life and make him more comfortable (not "cure" him).  
You need to start thinking about Palliative Care if you want to fully do right 
by BooBoo and Pred is the best for that.  If BooBoo turns out to be a miracle 
cat and fights all this off and rallies, the Pred will not have hurt him at all.
 
Caroline 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more bad newsDate: Wed, 27 Feb 
2008 22:10:54 -0500



Well if it isn't FIP, what could it possibly be ?  And if it isn't, and there 
is no bacterial infection in the sample sent off is it just another 
complication of feline leukemia? What kind of treatment is there for 
accumulation of fluid on the lungs other than what we're doing now.  The vet 
told me today this is the second case like this he's seen this week.  I 
truthfully don't believe these vets would deliberately withhold any kind of 
treatment if they thought it would work.  They know that we are prepared to try 
just about anything that would possibly be helpful to him.  I don't plan to 
give up on the little guy and am still reading up on other treatments but 
everything I have read so far says these animals are doomed.  I have yet to 
come across any medical information that says they can live a long and healthy 
life.  I'm not giving up on the Interferon or Prednisolone.  I also can't be 
putting this poor animal through weekly lung aspirations forever.  I can see 
complications arising from that as well.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Belinda Sauro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news
Any vet that tells you this is a quack ... period
he has FIPFIP can ONLY be diagnosed with an autopsy so Boo will not get treated 
now for what he really has, I hate vets that tell people that.   There are many 
things that mimic FIP, but once the dreaded FIP word is mentioned the cat is 
doomed to die because the vet looks no further.  It sounds to me like your vet 
is tired of trying to figure out how to treat Boo and this is his way out ... 
so sad for Boo ...-- 

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RE: more questions and thankyou

[Lance]

Sue,

Just about everything I've read points toward what Belinda is saying.
Unless Buzz is able to sneeze enough onto your shirt to get it sopping
wet, there's no reason to worry. Handling dishes and boxes thoughtfully
should alleviate the risk of your other cats even coming into contact
with FeLV. 

As I understand it, the reason for the 30 day gap is *NOT* directly due
to FeLV, but due to the fact that the FeLV+ cat, because of its status,
can contract some potentially very hard to eradicate diseases. It's for
*THOSE* that you want to give the 30 day waiting period, and not for
FeLV itself. You wouldn't want to bring a kitten into contact with the
germs from the last cat's especially stubborn URI, for example.
Obviously, if the FeLV+ cat did not die from a secondary infection, this
would seem to be moot. Hope that helps.

Lance


On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:22:14 -0500, "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Now I am worried.  I have been taking good care of Buzz's dishes and
> washing my hands after I leave his room.  If this virus lasts on clothing
> then I have put my other cats at risk every time I pick them up in spite
> of the precautions.
> Sue
> 
> 
>  Dorothy Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> =
> Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several places
> that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a + cat
> has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you
> should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you should introduce
> a new negative cat into the household.
>
>   Armond (my 9 yr old + kitty) was infected by a stray we brought in (and
>   sadfully neglected to have tested.)  Armond was always super healthy
>   and had ALWAYS been vaccinated.  My more fragile diabetic did NOT test
>   positive - Go figure!  I had them all retested after 12 weeks and those
>   tests were consistent with the first one!
>
>   When we brought Preston home, he seemed to have diarrhea for a long
>   time.  (I am sure that part of it was due to the changing of his food,
>   even though it was done gradually).  I just kept mixing his wet food
>   with lots of water to make sure that he got plenty of fluids and he is
>   so much better now.  He has only been with us for about 6 weeks and he
>   came from a HUGE shelter so I am not sure how long he had the diarrhea. 
>
>   I know it IS overwhelming...still learning about it too.  We just went
>   through our first "sickness" when Armond got calicivirus.  (A
>   respiratory thing that settled in his mouth as nasty sores.)  That
>   lasted 5 weeks!  
>
>   Good luck with your friends!
> 
> whocares whocares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body.hmmessage  { 
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> Firstly, thankyou to everyone who responded and for the advice thusfar.
> Milli's diahrea is getting better with Neorase and probiotics, etc..
> I've gotten 5 of the 7 new ones tested and they've all come back FeLV+. 5
> are housed together and the other 2 are each in their own rooms. I have 8
> immune challenged cats of my own (some of which are permanent fosters)
> and am a little worried now. 
> What precautions do I have to take? Is FeLV extremely contagious? My
> dishwasher has a sani cycle which I've been using. Does sanitizing kill
> the virus? Is it easily spread on clothes? How close does the contact
> have to be between cats? How long does the virus live outside the body?
> Lance, how much DMG do you give? I have some for my HCM kitty. 
> I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Does anyone know where I can get
> Transfer Factor? No naturpath, etc. here seems to have heard of it.
> I'm way over my head here. Please give me as much advice (even if it
> sounds simple) as you can.
> Thanks
> El
> 
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RE: l-lysine

[Caroline Kaufmann]

There's no need to give tablets, so definitely, don't put your cat thru that.  
Key for an asymptomatic Felv+ cat is to keep stress at a minimum so always keep 
that in mind- you don't want the treatment- in an attempt to keep your cat 
symptom-free- to be worse than no treatment at all!!
 
L-Lysine in powder form is readily available at health food stores like Whole 
Foods.  Get it from a health food store because you want to make sure you get 
Preservative-free L-Lysine-- no added substances- which can be especially 
dangerous for cats.  This is pretty routine at a health food store, but still 
read the packaging to be SURE it says Preservative Free.  I buy a container of 
free-form powder.  It has a tiny scooper and you just sprinkle it on top of 
canned food and mix in a little.  Cats don't even know it's there.  Or, get 
capsules- usually in 500 mgs- and open the capsule and sprinkle the powder on 
the food.  I give about 250 mg a day per cat- it's not an exact science tho.  
If you are giving to multiple cats, split the 500 mg capsule between all of 
them.  If feeding one, use part of the capsule, close it back together, and use 
the remainder the next day.  I have used both the free-form powder and capsules 
filled with powder.  Also, some health food stores do have L-Lysine in a liquid 
dropper form that you can add to food; however, I don't like this as much 
because usually other things are added to the concoction like Shitake extract, 
etc- things I am not sure are safe for cats- plus the dosing is off a lot 
because 1 dropper doesn't equal any easily identifiable mgs b/c it's a liquid- 
so I would avoid that route (altho it looks tempting).  The easiest for me is 
the container of free-form powder.
 
Also, your vet may have a product called "Viralysis" that is a 
liquid/jelly-like L-Lysine, so you can get it from the vet.  I have used this 
also and you measure it with a teaspoon and add to wet food.  I don't know if 
it is any better/worse than just getting it from the health food store and I 
have used it sometimes only because I get it free from vets through the foster 
care I do for a no-kill agency.  
 
L-Lysine is a natural combatant of the feline herpes virus- one of the 
bazillion culprits that can cause reoccurring upper respiratory infections in 
cats, as well as the actual herpes ulcerations (sometimes they form on the 
actual cat's eye).  But if your cat is not having ulcers, don't get too hung up 
on whether it's herpes or not and just go ahead and start the L-Lysine.  It's a 
wonderful supplement and great for all around immune boosting and every Felv+ 
cat should be on it.  I have no Felv+ cats and mine are still on it anyway in 
an attempt to keep their immune systems healthy and URIs at bay.  I take it 
myself everyday (that's why the free form powder or capsules are good b/c then 
my cats and I "share" it!). 
 
You should also get your cat started on Colostrum for immune support- VITAL for 
an Felv+ cat.  Comes in free-form powder and capsules also.  The best is the 
"New Zealand Colostrum" that is all-natural and comes from NZ cows-- NO 
PRESERVATIVES-- again, make sure it's Preservative Free.  You can probably 
order NZ Colostrum online, but don't quote me.  I get mine from a Holistic 
Veterinarian (it should be pretty routine for all Holistic vets to have this is 
stock), so you could get it that way.  Last resort is to just get it at a 
health food store like Whole Foods.  I don't think they carry the NZ brand 
which is the best, but as long as it's Preservative Free, it's better than no 
colostrum at all.  I also take this myself!  You can follow the same dosing as 
the L-Lysine for Colostrum- again, not an exact science, but that is how my 
Holistic Vet said to do it- 250 per cat, or a 500 MG cap split between all 
fosters.  For a symptomatic Felv+ cat, you can increase colostrum per day 
significantly to 500 mg/day. 
 
Hope this helps!
 
caroline  


Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:03:52 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: l-lysineI've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - 
from what I've read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes 
(like just eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy 
related but some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's 
something else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the 
household I want o have her as healthy as physically possible.Anyone use 
l-lysine and what form do you use?  I've seen tablets (which I would HATE to 
have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific type/brand to go for 
that is OK for felines ?Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give 
consistently to non-symptomatic felv+ cats?-- Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bless!!! 
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Re: l-lysine or viralys

[laurieskatz]

Hello. I bought a pill crusher and crushed the tablets.  I gave 1/2 in AM 
sprinkled on small amount of canned food (to make sure they get the entire 
dose) and 1/2 in PM ~ same way. They are 500 mg tablets. Or you can double the 
dose, too. I use Nature Made. The pill crusher I have has a place to store the 
rest of the powder from the pill. I got both at Walgreens. 
OR you can by Viralys (from a vet or online) which is a flavored powder for 
kittys and they love the taste. L-lysine is tasteless so using regular l-lysine 
is not a taste issue.
Good luck. It works miracles here!
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:36 AM
  Subject: RE: l-lysine


  Get it from a nutrition place like GNC, and make sure you get the kind 
without additives.  Most of the stuff you get at drug stores will have -- I 
can't remember the name of the stuff, but it's bad for cats -- added to it.

  Diane R.



--
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Gouldin
  Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:04 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: l-lysine


  I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've 
read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just eye 
boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but some 
sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something else. 
If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I want o 
have her as healthy as physically possible.
  Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use?  I've seen tablets (which I 
would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific 
type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ?

  Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to 
non-symptomatic felv+ cats?

  -- 
  Beth Gouldin
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  940.395.5393

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Re: l-lysine

[Kelley Saveika]

Lysine is useful for treating herpes.

You want it without propelene glycol.

I use the powder form, $12.30 per pound from iherb.com

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=653

I had previously used some gel formulation supposedly designed to appeal to
cats but Missy didn't like it.

Kelley


On 2/28/08, Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've
> read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just
> eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but
> some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something
> else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I
> want o have her as healthy as physically possible.
> Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use?  I've seen tablets (which I
> would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific
> type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ?
>
> Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to
> non-symptomatic felv+ cats?
>
> --
> Beth Gouldin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 940.395.5393
>
> God Bless!!!




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RE: l-lysine

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Get it from a nutrition place like GNC, and make sure you get the kind
without additives.  Most of the stuff you get at drug stores will have
-- I can't remember the name of the stuff, but it's bad for cats --
added to it.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Gouldin
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: l-lysine


I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what
I've read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes
(like just eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy
related but some sites I have read said if it clears up with the
l-lysine it's something else. If we are even considering bringing
another cat into the household I want o have her as healthy as
physically possible.
Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use?  I've seen tablets (which
I would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any
specific type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ?

Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to
non-symptomatic felv+ cats?

-- 
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

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[Beth Gouldin]

I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've
read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just
eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but
some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something
else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I
want o have her as healthy as physically possible.
Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use?  I've seen tablets (which I
would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific
type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ?

Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to
non-symptomatic felv+ cats?

-- 
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!!

Re: OT - Cat enclosures

[Kelley Saveika]

Isn't it awesome?  One day!

On 2/28/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  OMG!!  Cats, schmats, *I* want to live there!
>
> Diane R.
>
>  --
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> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* OT - Cat enclosures
>
>
>  Boy, am I jealous of these people!  One day I hope we can have a setup
> like this one!
>
> http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures-2.htm
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RE: more bad news

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Dear Lynne
I can well imagine how you felt when you were given this news. I know
almost nothing about FIP myself including how reliable such a diagnosis
is but I see many of the good folks on this list who are informed have
given you lots of good feedback.
I know how very difficult (understatement) it is for you to suffer this
double blow and we each have to deal with our special needs cats in our
own way. My 2 cents worth: when I discovered 5 of my 3-month old rescue
foster kittens had FeLV (at which point I realized they were no longer
fosters but mine), and after the initial floods of tears had subsided
and I had to get on with the practicals of looking after them, it made
me feel good that I could care for them---that they would never to have
to worry about finding shelter in sub-zero temperatures, foraging for
food, or suffer e.g., untreated URIs again. Bad enough they had FeLV but
far, far worse (to my mind) to suffer it on the street. Of course there
were very, very painful times--some I still can't dwell on--but because
they found me, I feel that at least they had quality of life while they
were symptom-free.
BooBoo has more love and devotion now than he ever dreamt possible! You
have already given this little soul that came into your life more than
many creatures, 2- and 4-legged, get in a lifetime. I love the fact that
he found YOU. He sure knew what he was doing. If everyone in the world
was like you and Bob, what a wonderful world this would truly be.
hugs, Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: more bad news


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.
There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.
There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because
his blood vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life.  He will
continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess
does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to
have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the
obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too
good at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that
tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit
with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if
the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be
realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and I are
horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who
owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated.  We
have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering consulting
with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 
Lynne
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Re: update: Athena

[Beth Gouldin]

Thank you all so much for your notesthey have really helped.  David (my
hubby) and I are still discussing things. After a few days of really
watching Athena and trying to figure out her behavior (she's pretty quirky)
I have again come to the same conclusion that she would really benefit from
another cat. I think that it will have to be a perfect situation for us to
make the decision to bring another cat into the house, but as of the last
few days - it doesn't break my heart to think about.  We are going to just
keep our options open and see what happens.
Thanks for the support - this network has really saved my sanity -  I can't
imaging the last couple of months with out everyone's letters - even the sad
ones.


Beth

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Dorothy Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I have to agree with Laurie.  When Armond was left as the last cat
> standing, I just couldn't bear for him to be alone.  (I think that cats can
> be solitary but I *know* how much Armond LOVES to have a friend.  Someone
> to groom and sleep with and wrestle with...)
>
> So, I set out on a long search to find him another positive kitty friend.
> And, I found one - he is Preston and he is such a doll.  I could not bear
> the thought of infecting another cat by bringing in one who was negative,
> when there are so many positive cats who are unadoptable out there.
> Preston's first family had to give him up when he tested positive due to
> their other cats - it was so wonderful to be able to tell them that we had
> rescued Preston and that he had a happy home.
>
> The sanctuary where Preston was living has an entire room (old church
> building) with about 40 positive kitties.  No one had ever adopted a cat
> from there - not ever, until we got Preston.  Even though his life may not
> be as long as other cats, I know that his life will be good and so will
> Armond's and so will mine!
>
> Good luck with your decision...
>
>
> *laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> I'd be as worried about Athena catching something from the FeLV negative
> cat as the negative cat getting FeLV. My understanding is the virus is shed
> via body fluids ~ saliva, nasal discharge, etc.
>
> A friend had a negative cat living with a group of positives for 5 or 6
> years and he never got sick (and tested negative for FeLV after that time ~
> she mistakenly thought he tested positive in the beginning or he was a false
> positive).  SO, if you get another kitty who is not positive, you might want
> to make sure that kitty is healthy when you bring it home. Also, it is
> important that they get along so Athena isn't stressed out.
>
> You know, we really have no guarantees. I had 2 FeLv positive cats who
> lived very long lives ~ 16 and 22 years. Squeaky was a "carrier". He was
> never sick. Stripes was sick on and off. I was devastated when they died.
> So, I adopted 3 (unrelated) cats from the shelter at once. Insurance, you
> know. Keisha was age unknown and the other 2 were about 6 months. Teddy, one
> of the young ones died 6 years later, of cancer. He got sick with IBD and
> asthma within the first year after I adopted him and was sick his entire
> life. Coco, the other young'un is still with me but has had 2 instances
> where I nearly lost her. Frankie (a rescued feral kitten with asthma) lost
> most of his vision a year ago at age 9 and was diagnosed with pancreatitis
> which it seems he has conquered. Keisha died last summer, completely
> unexpectedly, of congestive heart failure. I guess I am giving examples of
> how we just never know. With my newest group (which grew to 7), I was sure
> Keihsa would die first because she was oldestnot so.
>
> If it were me, I'd probably adopt another FeLV or no one. But that is just
> me and by no means the "right" answer! Athena may never have a symptom.
> Squeaky didn't. He outlived Stripes by another 7 years. I didn't adopt
> another cat only because he was already older when Stripes died and he was
> so upset when Stripes died. I never considered Squeaky sick since he never
> was.
>
> Take care of yourselves...let your heart lead you.
> Laurie
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2008 6:06 PM
> *Subject:* update: Athena
>
> Hi all
> So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from
> the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just
> disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative
> - she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really
> wanted to get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have
> talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get
> another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat.
>
> I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually
> bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply 

RE: OT - Cat enclosures

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

OMG!!  Cats, schmats, *I* want to live there!
 
Diane R.



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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:30 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: OT - Cat enclosures


Boy, am I jealous of these people!  One day I hope we can have a setup
like this one!

http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures-2.htm

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Re: more bad news

[Belinda Sauro]

   Lynne,
  Still waiting for answers on the vet list.  Some vets are afraid to 
use spiro and lasix togehter but I know many cats on the heart list who 
didn't benefit from lasix alone and are doing well being on both.  Many 
advanced heart kitties have fluid biuld up and the spiro and lasix are 
keeping them going.


Poor Boo, he has been through so much in such a short time.  And just to 
clarify, I am not saying Boo doe not have FIP, he may very well but 
since FIP is not 100% diagnosable in a living cat and there are many 
things that mimic FIP I go crazy when a vet says FIP and stops 
looking.   And something that drives me even crazier is when the cat 
does die the people don't have a necropsy done, how does that help 
anyone?  If it's FIP then they could have peace of mind if it isn't they 
will know what it is and if any of there other cats or someone else 
going through the same thing with a cat could benefit from that 
knowledge.  Of course they are going to feel bad because it wasn't FIP 
but atleast let the death help another kitty.


You may have guessed I'm pretty hard core when my cats get sick I will 
try everything until it is obvious to me there is nothing more to do and 
I know many people would quit long before I do but that is just how I 
am.  If I think there is even the slimmest chance even if the cat is at 
deaths door, I will keep trying, only because I have had cats that sick 
and brought them back.  I want the same thing done with me.  I do 
believe in miracles, once your dead there ain't going to be any miracles 
then.


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Re: more questions and thankyou

[Belinda Sauro]

   This is why inaccurate information is so harmful, Dorthys info is 
wrong, it dries it dies, talk to any vet who is knowledgable about FeLV 
if you can find one, there aren't many even today it seems.



Now I am worried.  I have been taking good care of Buzz's dishes and washing my 
hands after I leave his room.  If this virus lasts on clothing then I have put 
my other cats at risk every time I pick them up in spite of the precautions.


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RE: more questions and thankyou

[Sue Koren]

Now I am worried.  I have been taking good care of Buzz's dishes and washing my 
hands after I leave his room.  If this virus lasts on clothing then I have put 
my other cats at risk every time I pick them up in spite of the precautions.
Sue


 Dorothy Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several places that 
you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if a + cat has been 
where a negative one will be staying.  It is said that you should wait 30 days 
after your + cat is gone before you should introduce a new negative cat into 
the household.
   
  Armond (my 9 yr old + kitty) was infected by a stray we brought in (and 
sadfully neglected to have tested.)  Armond was always super healthy and had 
ALWAYS been vaccinated.  My more fragile diabetic did NOT test positive - Go 
figure!  I had them all retested after 12 weeks and those tests were consistent 
with the first one!
   
  When we brought Preston home, he seemed to have diarrhea for a long time.  (I 
am sure that part of it was due to the changing of his food, even though it was 
done gradually).  I just kept mixing his wet food with lots of water to make 
sure that he got plenty of fluids and he is so much better now.  He has only 
been with us for about 6 weeks and he came from a HUGE shelter so I am not sure 
how long he had the diarrhea.  
   
  I know it IS overwhelming...still learning about it too.  We just went 
through our first "sickness" when Armond got calicivirus.  (A respiratory thing 
that settled in his mouth as nasty sores.)  That lasted 5 weeks!  
   
  Good luck with your friends!

whocares whocares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Firstly, thankyou to everyone who responded and for the advice thusfar. Milli's 
diahrea is getting better with Neorase and probiotics, etc..
I've gotten 5 of the 7 new ones tested and they've all come back FeLV+. 5 are 
housed together and the other 2 are each in their own rooms. I have 8 immune 
challenged cats of my own (some of which are permanent fosters) and am a little 
worried now. 
What precautions do I have to take? Is FeLV extremely contagious? My dishwasher 
has a sani cycle which I've been using. Does sanitizing kill the virus? Is it 
easily spread on clothes? How close does the contact have to be between cats? 
How long does the virus live outside the body?
Lance, how much DMG do you give? I have some for my HCM kitty. 
I live in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Does anyone know where I can get Transfer 
Factor? No naturpath, etc. here seems to have heard of it.
I'm way over my head here. Please give me as much advice (even if it sounds 
simple) as you can.
Thanks
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Re: more questions and thankyou

[Belinda Sauro]

Wherever you read this it is WRONG, it lives secondsif that, once it 
dries it dies.  Don't believe anything you read on the internet, anyone 
can write anything they want and if you read it at Cornells website, 
ALOT of their information on FeLV is inaccurate too.
Apparently the virus CAN live for a while.  I have read in several 
places that you need to clean any area with a bleach/water cleaner if 
a + cat has been where a negative one will be staying.  It is said 
that you should wait 30 days after your + cat is gone before you 
should introduce a new negative cat into the household.


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Re: more bad news

[Lynne]

Belinda, he was on Lasix 20 mg a day, in divided doses.  The vet told me
yesterday to just give him 10 mg a day as he doesn't want to dehydrate him.
Are you referring to Spironolactone?  I haven't mentioned that yet but maybe
it could be of benefit.  From what I understand the fluid buildup is in the
lungs but I'm not sure that is the case.  I think it is surrounding the
lungs and the pressure of the buildup causes the difficulty in breathing.
You're probably right, my vet is giving up on BooBoo because he knows the
ultimate results and may even be trying to spare me additional sadness.  As
for the blood vessels leaking protein,, I don't know what he means by that.
There was fibrous material in the fluid and protein but no bacteria.  I
don't know if I'm being paranoid but we thought he was kind of overly warm
last night and he still is on his antibiotic so why a fever.  I will call
today and mention the Spironolactone and pretend to know what I'm talking
about.

Thanks for your advice Belinda.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "Belinda Sauro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


> Lynne,
>What is his lasix dose?  Have you asked about being on spiro, darn I
> can't think of the name but it is used with lasix if lasix isn't doing
> the trick.  I belong to a feline heart group and many cats are on it
> with lasix, it worked when lasix alone didn't.  Is the fluid in his
> lungs or outside his lungs?  I'm asking questions on the vet list I'm on
> maybe they'll see something here everyone is missing.
>
> What exactly does your vet mean by his blood vessels are leaking, I seem
> to remember my vet mentioning something like this when Bailey was anemic
> that this was possible, I don't remember what she called it.
>
> --
>
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Re: more bad news

[Pat Kachur]

I agree with you completely.I wouldn't change anything you are doing.  
BooBoo is happy; that's the main thing.  And I would NEVER say that I would not 
have wanted to have Priscilla and Pixie in my life, even though it was for far 
too short a time.

BTW - I did not know they were sick at all for quite some time after I had them 
(one was more than 20 years ago) so they were mixed with all my other cats at 
the times I had them.  Fortunately, no one else got sick.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:23 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I've been doing a lot of reading tonight Pat and it would appear that a 
diagnosis of FIP is one of those differential diagnoses, the vet goes by a 
collection of symptoms and makes the call.  I'm wondering at this point if it 
even matters.  I don't plan to change the way we're doing things or go looking 
for some snake oil treatment.  I'm just gonna concentrate on diet, quiet and 
happiness.  I now have an inkling of what you good people have gone through and 
somehow there must be something good come out of this experience.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Pat Kachur 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had 
leukemia, too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the 
fluid was strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  
My vet says that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine 
both had, results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  
My kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and 
I had them put down.  

My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no 
test that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.

Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal 
action against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any 
kind of animal!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for 
it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and 
all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't 
I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to 
accept where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and 
comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood 
vessels I'm screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an 
FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It 
is called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be 
very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled 
water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of 
effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop 
retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% 
accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test 
positive for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if