Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
Hello Amanda i don't think you could have done anything more for Chan. i had lymphoma and it is a fast acting, vicious disease. even human doctors don't know much about it. when i got it in 2000, there were only 2 known chemos that worked sometimes. i went thru both of them and when they did not work, was told 3 - 4 months. Gymzar was dscovered by accident and they tried that. all it did was kill my red blood cells. a year later i went into spontaneous remission. i credit prayer and vitmins/mineral for that. i have been in remission for 5 years now and am still going strong. try prayer, it does work. dorlis amanda wrote: > Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member > here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need > advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 > months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 > years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that > developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides > taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other > medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he > would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had > diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside > cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a > harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and > had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was > Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage > for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him > for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the > neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got > stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was > good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on > weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having > FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey > much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with > extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it > was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, > but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would > still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd > try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress > free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, > CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his > voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe > stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I > never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal > again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and > nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he > always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a > little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care > not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always > had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he > growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 > more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would > get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them > and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house > with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, > I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his > chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst > and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the > last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self > blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many > other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon > and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive > enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think > my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost > weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure > it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I > really thought he didn't have FeLV anymore, and was just concerned > about his heart! Please also tell me your stories, what age did your > cats live to , what treatments, diet ect? I really don't want to > make any more mistakes, I feel like I killed my cat giving him cat > food that may have caused him to go downhill, or . I really don't > know, but some people say living to be almost 7 with FeLV isn't so > bad, his sister died age 3. Please advice, I'm making myself sick > from this self guilt!!! please a
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ Pepcid
I've used Zantac, btw, I think 1/4 tablet. GLoria On Dec 28, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Sharyl wrote: Just to clarify the information regarding Pepcid. Only use the Original Strength Pepcid AC or famotidine, the generic version. For most kitties 2.5 mg every other day is the recommended starting point. Some kitties need up to 5 mg per day. A lot depends on what other health issues a cat has and the wt. of the cat. HTH Sharyl --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Cougar Clan wrote: From: Cougar Clan Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 6:33 PM Amen to that. You are providing the most important things..love and care. A lot is trial and errorsometimes painful error but those from love are never wrong. They just happen. I learn from each wonderful creature that choses to come into my life. Let your heart be open and you will too. If you need to vent I too am open. I listen pretty good. A caution on the Pepcid that my vet gave me (I've used it successfully with several friends): Make sure it is the original formula. I think it is 4 mg but ask someone on the list (like Wendy) to be sure. Some of the other versions can cause problems. On Dec 28, 2008, at 5:23 PM, wendy wrote: You haven't done anything wrong! You are learning and there's nothing at all wrong with that! Thank God you want to help General, and are seeking out information to do so! Sometimes posts that are meant to be helpful can come out a little too strongly/passionately/opinionated or like they're telling you what to do, but usually its because those thoughts are backed by painful memories of loss/lessons learned the hard way. You do what is comfortable for you and General, and please don't feel pressured to do anything else. Feel free to email me off list, or anyone else I would assume, that you feel comfortable talking to if posting here makes you uncomfortable. I had some issues with my Julie not eating (she was not FeLV, but CRF/hyperthyroid and 17-18 yrs. old). She responded very well to Beechnut chicken and gravy baby food, as well as raw chicken boiled, and the broth created from the boiled chicken. Also, deli meat sometimes. And I gave her 1/4 Pepcid AC original formula sometimes; that really helped settle her stomach and get her eating. She would stop eating if her stomach was upset. Sub-Q fluids will also most likely make General feel better. I learned from others on this site and good websites how to do it and you would be surprised how easy it is and how much better it makes sick kitties feel. I now keep needles, tubing, and lactated ringers (fluids) on hand at all times in case my kitties get sick. Please ask if you need anything else! :) Wendy. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: "souther...@aol.com" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:51:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts It's ok, I'm not going to give it to him anymore. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to create a fuss or this much discussion! I know I've done wrong now. I won't do it again. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ Pepcid
Just to clarify the information regarding Pepcid. Only use the Original Strength Pepcid AC or famotidine, the generic version. For most kitties 2.5 mg every other day is the recommended starting point. Some kitties need up to 5 mg per day. A lot depends on what other health issues a cat has and the wt. of the cat. HTH Sharyl --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Cougar Clan wrote: From: Cougar Clan Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 6:33 PM Amen to that. You are providing the most important things..love and care. A lot is trial and errorsometimes painful error but those from love are never wrong. They just happen. I learn from each wonderful creature that choses to come into my life. Let your heart be open and you will too. If you need to vent I too am open. I listen pretty good. A caution on the Pepcid that my vet gave me (I've used it successfully with several friends): Make sure it is the original formula. I think it is 4 mg but ask someone on the list (like Wendy) to be sure. Some of the other versions can cause problems. On Dec 28, 2008, at 5:23 PM, wendy wrote: > You haven't done anything wrong! You are learning and there's nothing at all wrong with that! Thank God you want to help General, and are seeking out information to do so! Sometimes posts that are meant to be helpful can come out a little too strongly/passionately/opinionated or like they're telling you what to do, but usually its because those thoughts are backed by painful memories of loss/lessons learned the hard way. You do what is comfortable for you and General, and please don't feel pressured to do anything else. Feel free to email me off list, or anyone else I would assume, that you feel comfortable talking to if posting here makes you uncomfortable. > > I had some issues with my Julie not eating (she was not FeLV, but CRF/hyperthyroid and 17-18 yrs. old). She responded very well to Beechnut chicken and gravy baby food, as well as raw chicken boiled, and the broth created from the boiled chicken. Also, deli meat sometimes. And I gave her 1/4 Pepcid AC original formula sometimes; that really helped settle her stomach and get her eating. She would stop eating if her stomach was upset. Sub-Q fluids will also most likely make General feel better. I learned from others on this site and good websites how to do it and you would be surprised how easy it is and how much better it makes sick kitties feel. I now keep needles, tubing, and lactated ringers (fluids) on hand at all times in case my kitties get sick. > > Please ask if you need anything else! > :) > Wendy. > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ > > > > > > From: "souther...@aol.com" > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:51:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts > > It's ok, I'm not going to give it to him anymore. Sorry guys, I didn't mean > to create a fuss or this much discussion! I know I've done wrong now. I won't > do it again. > > > ** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL > Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; > icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
Amanda -- Chris is absolutely right. I don't think there is anything you can do to prevent lymphoma. You can beef up the cat's system so it can withstand a lot of things like colds and other sicknesses that aren't harmful to healthy cats but can be dangerous to FeLV+'s, but they ARE very susceptible to lymphoma and if there were a way to prevent that through food or care, humans would be doing it too! Seven is a pretty good age for Silver chan to have lived, but of course he was way too young to die (and of course we all know that ANY age is way too young when you love them so much). It sounds like you did a great job taking care of him, and I certainly don't think that your cat food "treats" had anything at all to do with him getting sick. Many of our kitties have cat food as their regular diet (though of course "better" ones are recommended) and raw or natural meat as a treat. As for your other FeLV+ kitty, of course the recommendations are good food, as little stress as possible, lots of love. You can add certain vitamins and supplements, like natural L-lysine, to the food, to keep their resistance to illnesses strong, and you can use flower essences like Bach Rescue Remedy in their water to help the stress level. I'm sure there will be other good suggestions coming along as well. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat,please advise, (long) I'm so sorry that you lost Silver chan. I lost my Romeo to lymphoma in much the same way not too long ago. It just seems to take them so fast--one day Romeo seemed fine and within two weeks he died. I don't think giving him the cat food 'treats' contributed to his developing lymphoma--I understand that FELV cats are more susceptible to this type of cancer and its one of those conditions we all dread in our positives. It sure sounds like Silver chan had a wonderful life and you shouldn't feel that there was anything you could have done. You did the very best for him--he knew it, I'm sure--and he lived a full happy life. That's what matters most... Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of amanda Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long) Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a little blood, I thought he just had a delicate
Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
Amanda, I was saddened to read that your cat has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. I'm new to caring for FeLV+ kitties. The oldest of my 6 positive kitties are just a yr old. I really don't think feeding some canned cat food as a treat caused his death. Many of us feed canned cat food. All we can do is feed the best diet the cat will eat, keep their lives as stress free as possible and love them with all our hearts. You did all of this. He couldn't have asked for a more loving home. Sharyl Sissy, Rocket, Mattie, CJ, Houdini, and Bright Eyes --- On Sun, 12/28/08, amanda wrote: From: amanda Subject: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 7:18 PM Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I really thought he didn't have FeLV anymore, and was just concerned about his heart! Please also tell me your stories, what age did your cats live to , what treatments, diet ect? I really don't want to make any more mistakes, I feel like I killed my cat giving him cat food that may have caused him to go downhill, or . I really don't know, but some people say living to be almost 7 with FeLV isn't so bad, his sister died age 3. Please advice, I'm making myself sick from this self guilt!!! please advice a
Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
I'm so sorry that you lost Silver chan. I lost my Romeo to lymphoma in much the same way not too long ago. It just seems to take them so fast--one day Romeo seemed fine and within two weeks he died. I don't think giving him the cat food 'treats' contributed to his developing lymphoma--I understand that FELV cats are more susceptible to this type of cancer and its one of those conditions we all dread in our positives. It sure sounds like Silver chan had a wonderful life and you shouldn't feel that there was anything you could have done. You did the very best for him--he knew it, I'm sure--and he lived a full happy life. That's what matters most... Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of amanda Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long) Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I really thought he didn't have FeLV anymore, and was just concerned about his heart! Please also tell me your stories, what age did your cats live to , what treatments, diet ect? I really don't want to make any more mistakes, I feel like I killed my cat giving him cat food that may have caused him to go downhil
Re: [Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
Dixie lived with me for 3 years. She was full grown when she came from a pine thicket where she had been living with a feral colony. She had the absolute best care possible both from her regular vets and holistic vets. When she left, I felt and continue to feel, that I had given her everything. I am sure there are things I might do differently and she left June 12, 2008. But everything I did for her I did with all the love in the world and with all the expectations that what I did was right. Neither of us can second guess ourselves when it comes to these wonderful beings. We can do the very best we can, love them (and I assure you Dixie was loved as much as any cat who ever set paw on this earth), and grieve for them. Stop beating yourself up. Stay with this group though. You will learn so much and you may make different decisions later. On Dec 28, 2008, at 6:18 PM, amanda wrote: Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I really thought he didn't have FeLV anymore, and was just concerned about his heart! Please also tell me your stories, what age did your cats live to , what treatments, diet ect? I really don't want to make any more mistakes, I feel like I killed my cat giving him cat food that may have caused him to go downhill, or . I really don't know, but some people say living to be almost 7 with FeLV isn't so bad, hi
[Felvtalk] my cat died age 7, have anorther FeLV cat, please advise, (long)
Hi all, I'm Amanda I live in Japan, I don't know if I was a member here before or not, I keep going from group to group, but I need advice please. I just lost last week my beloved cat he was minus 4 months almost 7 years old! He was diagnosed when he was about 1 1/2 years old along with his sister. He also had a heart murmur that developed into a full heart problem when he was 3 years old. Besides taking the interferon when first had FeLV he never took any other medications, he was treated holistically and was on a raw diet, he would have cat food as a treat. He was very well sometimes had diarrea if ate too many bugs outside or ate a rat! He was an outside cat, but since just over 2 years ago I decided to have him on a harness and kept him inside as one of our cats got into a fight and had a heart attack ! He was healthy even. My cat (Sorry his name was Silver chan), at first cried to go outside, I had an outside cage for him too, and he soon ajusted to life on the leash, I'd take him for many walks aday as I could. Sometimes we'd be attacked by the neighbours tom cat (my cats are all neutered) and twice my cat got stressed out and bit me instead as a result! But other wise he was good natured. Since last fall 2007, I noticed that he didn't put on weight on, I even forgot about that it could be related to having FeLV , I thought maybe because he's on the leash and can't catch prey much now, sometimes he still did! Those days I was spoiling him with extra cat food with added rice, my husbands suggestion, I thought it was o.k since he did have abit of rice maybe once a week with fish, but he soon started getting stomach aches, so I stopped it, but would still sometimes give a teaspoon of cat food as a treat, mostly I'd try natural ones with no or low salt. I tried to keep him as stress free as possible knowing he had a heart problem. He was also on DMG, CoQ10, natto, and probiotics, for his heart. This year suddenly his voice changed abit, so off to the vets and they thought it maybe stress related, though I had gave him some chicken cat food that I never gave before, so I stopped that and soon his voice became normal again, that time was May and we had all the tests and x rays, and nothing was found. During the summer sometimes he would vomit and he always ate grass and maybe more lately, once or twice he vomitted a little blood, I thought he just had a delicate stomach, so took care not to give him too much food, ( he ate 3 small meals aday) He always had some stress from stray cats passing on garden /land, taht May he growled at one, so not sure if it was related. Anyway we adopted 3 more cats this summer, he's very good with other cats, but he would get annoyed if they followed us on our walks, but we soon left them and went alone which he loved but he didn't mind sharing the house with them. Well just over 3 weeks ago I noticed him breathing fast, I thought his heart had worsened but it was lymphoma cancer in his chest and fluid arround his lungs, we tried chemo but made him worst and he lost alot of weight, so he was just made comfortable for the last weeks, he died on the 22nd. Of course I'm going through the self blame phrase, I wish I hadn't given him cat food as snacks! and many other things, I have anorther cat who has it now, he had interferon and is now better and is on a raw diet and lactoferrin and digestive enzymes, is there anything else I can do for him? And do you think my cat Silver chan could have lived longer? I mean when he first lost weight last year, maybe he should have had interferon again? I'm sure it was all FeLV related but what could I or should I have done? I really thought he didn't have FeLV anymore, and was just concerned about his heart! Please also tell me your stories, what age did your cats live to , what treatments, diet ect? I really don't want to make any more mistakes, I feel like I killed my cat giving him cat food that may have caused him to go downhill, or . I really don't know, but some people say living to be almost 7 with FeLV isn't so bad, his sister died age 3. Please advice, I'm making myself sick from this self guilt!!! please advice and help me through this and help me to help my new FeLV kitty!! Much love and hugs to you all, Amanda and Tabby ,Tora(FeLV) Nora and Angel Silver chan. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
1/4 original Pepcid AC PILL. Forgot to say pill. :) "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:23:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts You haven't done anything wrong! You are learning and there's nothing at all wrong with that! Thank God you want to help General, and are seeking out information to do so! Sometimes posts that are meant to be helpful can come out a little too strongly/passionately/opinionated or like they're telling you what to do, but usually its because those thoughts are backed by painful memories of loss/lessons learned the hard way. You do what is comfortable for you and General, and please don't feel pressured to do anything else. Feel free to email me off list, or anyone else I would assume, that you feel comfortable talking to if posting here makes you uncomfortable. I had some issues with my Julie not eating (she was not FeLV, but CRF/hyperthyroid and 17-18 yrs. old). She responded very well to Beechnut chicken and gravy baby food, as well as raw chicken boiled, and the broth created from the boiled chicken. Also, deli meat sometimes. And I gave her 1/4 Pepcid AC original formula sometimes; that really helped settle her stomach and get her eating. She would stop eating if her stomach was upset. Sub-Q fluids will also most likely make General feel better. I learned from others on this site and good websites how to do it and you would be surprised how easy it is and how much better it makes sick kitties feel. I now keep needles, tubing, and lactated ringers (fluids) on hand at all times in case my kitties get sick. Please ask if you need anything else! :) Wendy. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: "souther...@aol.com" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:51:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts It's ok, I'm not going to give it to him anymore. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to create a fuss or this much discussion! I know I've done wrong now. I won't do it again. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
Our vet says ok to use 1/2 of the 5 mg tablet. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts And I gave her 1/4 Pepcid AC original formula sometimes; that really helped settle her stomach and get her eating. She would stop eating if her stomach was upset. :) Wendy. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
Amen to that. You are providing the most important things..love and care. A lot is trial and errorsometimes painful error but those from love are never wrong. They just happen. I learn from each wonderful creature that choses to come into my life. Let your heart be open and you will too. If you need to vent I too am open. I listen pretty good. A caution on the Pepcid that my vet gave me (I've used it successfully with several friends): Make sure it is the original formula. I think it is 4 mg but ask someone on the list (like Wendy) to be sure. Some of the other versions can cause problems. On Dec 28, 2008, at 5:23 PM, wendy wrote: You haven't done anything wrong! You are learning and there's nothing at all wrong with that! Thank God you want to help General, and are seeking out information to do so! Sometimes posts that are meant to be helpful can come out a little too strongly/passionately/ opinionated or like they're telling you what to do, but usually its because those thoughts are backed by painful memories of loss/ lessons learned the hard way. You do what is comfortable for you and General, and please don't feel pressured to do anything else. Feel free to email me off list, or anyone else I would assume, that you feel comfortable talking to if posting here makes you uncomfortable. I had some issues with my Julie not eating (she was not FeLV, but CRF/hyperthyroid and 17-18 yrs. old). She responded very well to Beechnut chicken and gravy baby food, as well as raw chicken boiled, and the broth created from the boiled chicken. Also, deli meat sometimes. And I gave her 1/4 Pepcid AC original formula sometimes; that really helped settle her stomach and get her eating. She would stop eating if her stomach was upset. Sub-Q fluids will also most likely make General feel better. I learned from others on this site and good websites how to do it and you would be surprised how easy it is and how much better it makes sick kitties feel. I now keep needles, tubing, and lactated ringers (fluids) on hand at all times in case my kitties get sick. Please ask if you need anything else! :) Wendy. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: "souther...@aol.com" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:51:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts It's ok, I'm not going to give it to him anymore. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to create a fuss or this much discussion! I know I've done wrong now. I won't do it again. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
You haven't done anything wrong! You are learning and there's nothing at all wrong with that! Thank God you want to help General, and are seeking out information to do so! Sometimes posts that are meant to be helpful can come out a little too strongly/passionately/opinionated or like they're telling you what to do, but usually its because those thoughts are backed by painful memories of loss/lessons learned the hard way. You do what is comfortable for you and General, and please don't feel pressured to do anything else. Feel free to email me off list, or anyone else I would assume, that you feel comfortable talking to if posting here makes you uncomfortable. I had some issues with my Julie not eating (she was not FeLV, but CRF/hyperthyroid and 17-18 yrs. old). She responded very well to Beechnut chicken and gravy baby food, as well as raw chicken boiled, and the broth created from the boiled chicken. Also, deli meat sometimes. And I gave her 1/4 Pepcid AC original formula sometimes; that really helped settle her stomach and get her eating. She would stop eating if her stomach was upset. Sub-Q fluids will also most likely make General feel better. I learned from others on this site and good websites how to do it and you would be surprised how easy it is and how much better it makes sick kitties feel. I now keep needles, tubing, and lactated ringers (fluids) on hand at all times in case my kitties get sick. Please ask if you need anything else! :) Wendy. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: "souther...@aol.com" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:51:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts It's ok, I'm not going to give it to him anymore. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to create a fuss or this much discussion! I know I've done wrong now. I won't do it again. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Please be careful when feeding Tyson products. Their chickens are loaded with steriods! "Yes we can!" - Barack Obama Sally --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Chris wrote: > From: Chris > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 11:07 AM > Ingredients off web site > Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth > and Flavors), > Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates. > > > Christiane Biagi > Cell: 914-720-6888 > ti...@mindspring.com > Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > souther...@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:46 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever > > I just won't give it to him any more. It's Tyson > canned chicken breast. > > > > ** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, > and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; > icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ FAF
Laurie is correct in stating the FAF site has lots of helpful info on the various methods of assist feeding a cat. Here is the link again for those who want to join. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ As a FAF moderator I have to remind folks that all FAF posts are copyrighted and can only be used on other sites with the owners permission. Many FAF members join, read the files, feed their car and never post. Many post the specifics of their cat's problems and ask for advise. You can participate in whatever manner works for you and your cat. The critical issue is feed the cat. When you join FAF you will receive a detailed e-mail on how to assist feed your cat with a syringe. There are other files explaining the various types of feeding tubes and how they work. Many of the cats are in critical condition when the owner gets to FAF. It is a miracle how food can buy the time needed for the cat to recover from it's primary health problem. I've been out of town and am just getting caught up on General's health issues. From personal experience I can tell you assist feeding with a syringe is very doable. I syringe fed my sweet Albert for 1 1/2 yrs (kidney, heart and periodontal issues). I have been assist feeding Pequita (kidney issues) for almost a yr. using a baby spoon. She will eat almost anything as long as I spoon feed her on my bed. I am currently syringe feeding Bright Eyes (FeLV+). He had severe diarrhea, then severe constipation and now we are back to diarrhea. The very best food for a cat is whatever food they will eat. High dollar specialty food is worthless if the cat turns up her nose at it. I've tried EVO. None of my cats will touch it. They are happier with their Fancy Feast. Please do not try to chance their diet overnight. Any food change should be made very gradually. Just a quick note on onions. Some cats - not all - develop Heinz bodies anemia from eating food containing onions. For me it is just not worth the risk to see if my cats are ones that react to onions. Same with garlic. Back to catching up on posts. Sharyl --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Laurieskatz wrote: From: Laurieskatz Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ another post re food To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 12:03 PM Another sample post from FAF...PLEASE JOIN. General's life depends on it. LCS So much has been going on here, that I cannot reply to individually, that I just want to say this to all who are struggling with assist- feeding their cats: PLEASE do NOT give up on helping your cat to eat! PLEASE do NOT put your cat to sleep if he/she is sick and lethargic from lack of FOOD --- this is REVERSIBLE!!! PLEASE understand that lack of calories is DEVASTATING to a cat! PLEASE understand that lack of calories can lead easily to Feline Hepatic Lipidosis, a quickly-deadly form of liver failure. PLEASE understand that FOOD --- just FOOD, folks! --- can avoid liver failure. PLEASE understand that a cat can be EXTREMELY sick merely from LACK of FOOD. PLEASE understand that even if you start getting adequate calories in your cat, he/she will NOT get back to normal quickly! It can take WEEKS! DO NOT GIVE UP! PLEASE understand that oral-assist-feeding is NOT easy! It is messy, takes patience and calm, and most cats do NOT like it! BUT, if you want your cat to SURVIVE, you MUST commit to DOING it! PLEASE UNDERSTAND that feeding tubes are NOT a ghastly form of torture --- they are LIFESAVERS. PLEASE understand that in most cases, feeding via surgically-placed tube is a lot less stressful, on your cat AND you, than oral- assisting. The cats receive comfort from FINALLY having food in their stomachs, without the stress of having it put in their mouths by an exhausted, stressed-out nervous person. PLEASE understand that some cats tolerate oral-syringing well, but many do NOT. If yours is one who fights you or struggles, please talk to your vet about an e-tube. It is a short, inexpensive surgery. There can be "glitches", yes, as you may have read here on our site, but they are solvable. Do not let "fear of a feeding tube" preclude your learning more about them (check our Links) and talking to your vet about one for your cat. PLEASE understand that surgically-placed tubes are not always indicated (i.e., if a cat simply cannot tolerate any anesthesia at all, or if the cat is severely debilitated) --- BUT otherwise, may be exactly what is needed. PLEASE UNDERSTAND: NO CAT SHOULD DIE FROM LACK OF FOOD ALONE. And no cat should die because assist-feeding is hard. You have it in your power to save your cat. Do not give up. Do not despair. Do not expect overnight miracles. WE know you are exasperated! We have walked in your shoes! We are here to support you, as best we can, with our own experiences and Links to resources --- but you must adopt an "I can do this" outlook! Certainly, not all cats will survive. Many
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
Sidney, you didn't create a fuss or do anything wrong, it was just something I was aware of and if it something concerning the safety of our kitties I feel it is better mentioned than not. Nobody knows everything but I learn by being told or by example. You can't be doing anything wrong if you don't know. Even though on the tysons it says flavors it doesn't mean 100% for sure there is onion in it but there may be, so for me personally it is better to be safe than sorry if there are other options for food he will eat. Baby food is a good option, I feed it to my guys all the time to fatten them up if they are losing weight or to get them to take their pills in the morning. Gerber has twice the calories of beechnut and my guys favor one over the other at various times. One thing if it is all you are feeding for any length of time you'll want to add a 1/10 of a multi vitamin and some taurine to it and mix it in, cats need taurine and baby food doesn't have it. This would only apply if it is all he is eating for weeks or longer. Just curious has anyone else noticed the chicken gerbers is not pink anymore but has a tan or yellowish tint It doesn't smell or taste funny but my cats don't like it anymore, they like the pink if I can find it but won't touch the tanish, yellowish one. I've been meaning to call gerber and find out if they have changed their formula and let them know my furkids won't touch it anymore. Shame because it has more calories and they usually prefer the creamery texture. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ TRY FANCY FEAST!!!
It's not a matter of being wrong. We are all learning as we go. You have a handful and it can be overwhelming. Please keep communicating. We ALL learn from each other. :) Please do read the info I sent on assisted feeding...I have walked this road and they can turn the corner if we can just keep enough food going into them! The issue causing them to not eat is often just a temporary problem...that's why it is so important to keep them eating. I have just completed two months of assist feeding Frankie (I tried 10 different kinds of food and FINALLY Fancy Feast did the trick! I still had to hold the bowl and a spoon to his nose as it seemed he could not smell the food. The Fancy Feast that got him eating was Gourmet Salmon and shrimp. He now also eats Gourmet Seafood Feast. I turned my nose up at FF for years but the vet and a friend recommended it for kits who aren't eating... and it worked!!! I urge you to give it a try. It is very strong smelling and my other five hang around Frankie's bowl hoping to nab a bite! Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
Here is a page that has other brands that show the total ingredients, if you can get any of the other 3 besides tyson, it looks like they are OK, no added flavors: http://valleyfresh.com/Products/compare-products.aspx -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
Makes sense... -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts Laurie, Flavors and seasonings almost always mean onion, they just don't list the flavors indiidually because they don't have to, onion is a very common ingredient in many, many things because it does add flavor. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
It's ok, I'm not going to give it to him anymore. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to create a fuss or this much discussion! I know I've done wrong now. I won't do it again. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
Laurie, Flavors and seasonings almost always mean onion, they just don't list the flavors indiidually because they don't have to, onion is a very common ingredient in many, many things because it does add flavor. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Mine like Gerber turkey and Gerber chicken. Some like one and some like the other. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever Try the Gerber baby food-2nd stage. Also, if you get some raw chicken (dark meat is fine--wings, legs, etc), just boil it up in a bit of water--nothing added. Then you can give him the broth and the chicken. Christiane Biagi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Safer. True. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever Try the Gerber baby food-2nd stage. Also, if you get some raw chicken (dark meat is fine--wings, legs, etc), just boil it up in a bit of water--nothing added. Then you can give him the broth and the chicken. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever I just won't give it to him any more. It's Tyson canned chicken breast. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ tysons canned chicken breast nutrition facts
No mention of onionsafe, I think. L Product Center > Chicken Products > Fully Cooked Chicken En Español Premium Chunk Chicken Breast (12.5oz) Tyson premium chunk chicken is delicious, tender, fully cooked chicken that is ready to use when you are. > Search for recipes using this product Nutrition Facts Serving Size 2 oz. (56g) Serv. Per Container 0.00 About 5 Amount Per Serving Calories 60 Calories from Fat 5 % Daily Value* Total Fat 0.5g 1% Saturated Fat 0g 0% Cholesterol 30mg 10% Sodium 200mg 8% Total Carbohydrate 0g 0% Dietary Fiber 0g 0% Sugars 0g Protein 13g 26% Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 0% Calcium 0% Iron 2% *Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Recipes and Other information This product is also available in a 5 oz. can. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Try the Gerber baby food-2nd stage. Also, if you get some raw chicken (dark meat is fine--wings, legs, etc), just boil it up in a bit of water--nothing added. Then you can give him the broth and the chicken. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever I just won't give it to him any more. It's Tyson canned chicken breast. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Ingredients off web site Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth and Flavors), Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever I just won't give it to him any more. It's Tyson canned chicken breast. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General ~ another post re food
Another sample post from FAF...PLEASE JOIN. General's life depends on it. LCS So much has been going on here, that I cannot reply to individually, that I just want to say this to all who are struggling with assist- feeding their cats: PLEASE do NOT give up on helping your cat to eat! PLEASE do NOT put your cat to sleep if he/she is sick and lethargic from lack of FOOD --- this is REVERSIBLE!!! PLEASE understand that lack of calories is DEVASTATING to a cat! PLEASE understand that lack of calories can lead easily to Feline Hepatic Lipidosis, a quickly-deadly form of liver failure. PLEASE understand that FOOD --- just FOOD, folks! --- can avoid liver failure. PLEASE understand that a cat can be EXTREMELY sick merely from LACK of FOOD. PLEASE understand that even if you start getting adequate calories in your cat, he/she will NOT get back to normal quickly! It can take WEEKS! DO NOT GIVE UP! PLEASE understand that oral-assist-feeding is NOT easy! It is messy, takes patience and calm, and most cats do NOT like it! BUT, if you want your cat to SURVIVE, you MUST commit to DOING it! PLEASE UNDERSTAND that feeding tubes are NOT a ghastly form of torture --- they are LIFESAVERS. PLEASE understand that in most cases, feeding via surgically-placed tube is a lot less stressful, on your cat AND you, than oral- assisting. The cats receive comfort from FINALLY having food in their stomachs, without the stress of having it put in their mouths by an exhausted, stressed-out nervous person. PLEASE understand that some cats tolerate oral-syringing well, but many do NOT. If yours is one who fights you or struggles, please talk to your vet about an e-tube. It is a short, inexpensive surgery. There can be "glitches", yes, as you may have read here on our site, but they are solvable. Do not let "fear of a feeding tube" preclude your learning more about them (check our Links) and talking to your vet about one for your cat. PLEASE understand that surgically-placed tubes are not always indicated (i.e., if a cat simply cannot tolerate any anesthesia at all, or if the cat is severely debilitated) --- BUT otherwise, may be exactly what is needed. PLEASE UNDERSTAND: NO CAT SHOULD DIE FROM LACK OF FOOD ALONE. And no cat should die because assist-feeding is hard. You have it in your power to save your cat. Do not give up. Do not despair. Do not expect overnight miracles. WE know you are exasperated! We have walked in your shoes! We are here to support you, as best we can, with our own experiences and Links to resources --- but you must adopt an "I can do this" outlook! Certainly, not all cats will survive. Many have advanced diseases that are irreversible. BUT if eating is THE problem, you and your vet can find a way to get food into your cat, in all but the most extreme and unusual case. DON'T GIVE UP! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General needs to eat!
Examples of messages from the Feline Assisted Feeding Group.. Most Recent Messages (View All) (Group by Topic) Search:AdvancedStart Topic Re: New member needs advice Hello Marisol, I would be sure to give him something- mushy food on your finger, if you don't have a syringe. You can get them from pet sections , bird Posted - Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:23 pm annette burton meaniebie Offline Send Email Re: I need to hear someone say their cat's all right Maria, Just be aware that unless Holly maintains her weight, she is in grave danger. The only way to be sure that she is maintaining her weight is to get a Posted - Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:37 pm Alexandra Fiona Dixon alexandrafio... Offline Re: New member needs advice Hi Marisol, You want to get back to your vet right away to talk about getting Sebastian to eat. There are appetite stimulants that may help and your vet can Posted - Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:13 pm lucyjay86 Offline Send Email Help Please Metocloprimide Can anyone give advice about using metocloprimide (appetite stimulant) for a cat whose appetite has diminished Posted - Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:43 pm ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
I suspect the Tyson's is fine. Important to keep him eating his normal amount of food Here is the suggested group: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ info from the site: Feline Hepatic Lipidosis (FHL), Hepatic Lipidosis (HL), Fatty Liver Disease (FLD) or Syndrome (FLS)-regardless of the acronym, this is a serious and potentially deadly disease that every cat owner needs to be aware of. Any cat who isn't eating OR isn't eating enough is at risk. This is a case where an ounce of prevention is not only worth a pound of cure-it could be worth its weight in gold: your cat's life. This is not meant simply to alarm you. Anyone who has battled Hepatic Lipidosis wishes only one thing: to help others avoid it. If you suspect your cat may be at risk or may have FHL, please discuss the concern with your vet as soon as possible. The Basics: Unlike many other animals, cats are not able to efficiently break down fat stores in their bodies. When a cat is not consuming sufficient calories, the body begins to mobilize fat stores, sending them to the liver to be broken down. The cat's unfortunate inefficiency at this process causes the liver to essentially become "clogged" with fat and induces an acute form of liver failure: Hepatic Lipidosis. Overweight cats are more likely to develop HL, but not all fat cats get HL and not all cats who get HL are fat. Any cat not consuming sufficient calories is at risk FHL is acute, not chronic. It can be cured completely and is unlikely to reoccur. It could, but as anyone who has beaten the disease knows, you will forever after watch your cat like a hawk! The Cause: FHL is caused by not eating enough, but this can result from a vast number of medical conditions. It is also possible for cats to develop "idiopathic" HL, which means it doesn't have a specific medical cause, and could be a result of something as simple as stress. Inappetance for more than a day or two is a sign that something is very wrong, and it is best to seek vet care ASAP both to determine the cause of the inappetance and to assess the possibility of FHL. The Symptoms and Diagnosis: Cats with FHL often become jaundiced (yellowed) which can most readily be seen on the whites of the eyes, inside the ears, gums and roof of mouth. BUT because this is a sort of "after-effect" of the liver damage, the cat is already severely ill by the time it is visible. Simple blood tests can be used to determine the likelihood of HL (ALT/ALP/AST liver numbers are generally elevated) often before jaundice is apparent. Bilirubin will rise sharply also, and is what causes the jaundice. This is why it is critical to alert your vet that your cat has not been eating if it has been more than a day or two. If FHL is suspected from the blood test, tests such as x-rays, ultrasound, a biopsy or fine-needle aspirate (FNA) can be used to confirm and make the diagnosis. The most important thing is that a vet is able to diagnose HL *before* it becomes severe enough to cause jaundice. And the earlier it is caught, the better the odds of survival. The Cure: Food. Not three bites of Fancy Feast. Not two licks of gravy. Not a corner of cheese nor twelve kibbles. A cat with FHL must consume (and keep down) enough calories to reverse the process and allow the liver to heal. Because FHL makes a cat feel even LESS like eating, assisted- feeding is essential and usually involves a "recovery" diet such as a/d or Max Cal. IF you have a cooperative cat, syringe feeding *may* be an option. But with FHL, there is no time to lose. If you are unable to get those critical calories INTO the cat by handfeeding/spoonfeeding or syringe-feeding, a feeding tube should be discussed. BEFORE you rule this out, please be aware that they are neither painful nor uncomfortable for the cat, nor difficult to use. They reduce feeding stress, and many cats look forward to their tube-feedings. Plus, many medications can be given by tube. Complications are rare. There are a number of tube options, but an esophagostomy or "e-tube" is most commonly used for HL as they are inexpensive to place and are for comparatively short term use. PEG tubes or in certain instances J- tubes may be considered. Statistics vary, but the chances of survival are greatly increased by the use of a feeding tube. The time to recovery for FHL will vary depending on the cat and the severity of the disease, but it is usually a matter of weeks. There are no specific medications for FHL, although supplements to help support the liver and anti-nausea medications may be prescribed. Cats with feeding tubes are usually given antibiotics to avoid infections while the tube is in place. Consider the food to be the medication, and be just as diligent in giving it as you would any other. AVOIDING HL: A measure of caution and some simple steps can help you avoi
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Important to keep him eating his normal amount of foodto avoid liver failure. I didn't know this when I was pleased with a few bites of chicken. Please get more info at Feline Assisted Feeding (yahoo group) about this. They are the experts on eating issues L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of souther...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 9:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever Well, he ate the broth of the canned chicken I had (regular people Tyson white meat canned chicken) and then he ate 3 or 4 bites of the actual meat. This morning he's done the same thing. No cat food but he'll drink that broth and eat some of the meat. He's much perkier today and as far as I can tell, no fever (cool ears, cool wet nose, moving around, more social.) So we're better. I just wish I knew what I was doing! Sidney and the General ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaol com0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
I just won't give it to him any more. It's Tyson canned chicken breast. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&; icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Do you have the brand name and a phone number, I would be happy to call and ask about the onion? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Honestly I wouldn't take the chance until I called the company and asked them specifically if there was any onion in any form in it, that is my own personal opinion .. I know a lot of things that don't say onion on the label have it in the food as flavoring. The one that is really tricky are the ones that say natural flavor. I would be afraid to risk it especially with a positive who is already struggling with a weakened immune system. I am over cautious I guess. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
This is just canned chicken, not broth, and the can says 100% canned chicken. It doesn't say anything about any spices. ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Hi Sidney, Hi Sidney, I know you said you are not really familiar with kitties and there needs so this is an FYI to help, please don't give any broth that you have bought in the store to a cat, it almost certainly contains onion as part of the flavoring and onion is very deadly to cats, it causes anemia. Any processed food product that contains things like natural flavor or spices, is sure to have onion in it one of those things and is very dangerous for any cat. If he'll eat broth, buy chicken, even if you just get scraps from the meat section or the butcher, boil it and get broth that way. FeLV cats most definitely don't need to eat anything that cause anemia. This site has a list of other foods that are harmful or just not so good for cats: http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/humanfood.htm http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=0&aid=1108 and about the garlic mentioned in this one, some people think it is OK, but I figure if there is a chance it can be harmful, why take the chance, that is my personal opinion only. http://www.pugsavers.com/onions.html A safe baby food to give is, Gerber 2nd stage meats they don't contain onion, and Beechnut 1st stage meats, the ingredients are right on the bottles, check to make sure but I'm pretty sure these are what I use and they do not contain onion powder as seasoning. Fred my CRF kitty wth kidney issues gets them to take his medicines. http://amos.indiana.edu/library/scripts/toxiconions.html http://www.suite101.com/blog/shaya_weaver/onions_are_toxic_for_cats_and_dogs Other things to never give cats except in very rare cases under the supervision of a vet is aspirins, even baby aspirin or anything containing salicylate is dangerous for cats. http://www.petplace.com/cats/aspirin-toxicity-in-cats/page1.aspx http://www.cat-world.com.au/AspirinPoisoning.htm Certain plants are deadly for cat: http://www.cfainc.org/articles/plants.html http://cats.about.com/od/hazardousplants/Plants_for_Pets_Hazardous_and_Safe.htm This should help you with some of the dont's related to caring for a cat, they are marvelous, mysterious creatures and you'll enjoy the relationship with General like no other. I never knew about these things back when I was caring for my first dog and cat after leaving home on my own, no computers at that time. I found out thankfully before I did any harm to my pets. Thank you for taking General in and caring for him. Your in for a fun, magical adventure!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
Well, he ate the broth of the canned chicken I had (regular people Tyson white meat canned chicken) and then he ate 3 or 4 bites of the actual meat. This morning he's done the same thing. No cat food but he'll drink that broth and eat some of the meat. He's much perkier today and as far as I can tell, no fever (cool ears, cool wet nose, moving around, more social.) So we're better. I just wish I knew what I was doing! Sidney and the General ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kittens
My Tiny died this way. He was pretty much asymptomatic. Other than initial treatment he never required antibiotic or all the measures I too for Junior. On Christmas day 2006 I knew he was not feeling good, but it was not such that I would have taken him to a vet even if it was a regular day. I spent some time with him watching TV. He went to sleep on the couch. I left the room to do some other stuff. I heard a horrible coughting sound, I had heard from him once before. I moved him thinking he might cough a hairball. This was a much more violent cough than that.I realized he was not getting air. I got the tank of oxygen it was empty. His gums were blue at this time the spasms had stopped. He still appeared to be breathing. I went to get the concentrator. I got yelled at by ny husband for waking him up. This was 5PM. I went back to watch the life leave his body. I am told he was probably dead after the intial couigh, and he most like threw a blood clot. I am so sorry to hear of your loss. These kittens would have had no life without you. They know they were loved and will be waiting for you at the Rainbows Bridge. Love and peace Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kittens
Lorrie, It sounds like a congenital heart problem. Sure doesn't sound like anything related to FeLV. Sharyl --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Lorrie wrote: From: Lorrie Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV kittens To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 8:03 AM I wrote two weeks or so ago about a very sick FelV kitten who was anemic and had lost control of her back legs, and her bladder. We took her to the vet and he felt she was in the last stages of FelV, with little or no hope for recovery. She was 9 months old and only weighed 3 and a half pounds. Sadly she soon went to the rainbow bridge. Then yesterday we found another of her litter mates dead with absolutely no apparent sickness. This kitten was eating, playing and acted fine, but suddenly died. We've so far lost 4 kittens from this litter of FelV pos. kittens, and it's heart breaking. Has anyone else found kittens who look fine, eat well and play and then suddenly die? I don't think this is a symptom of FelV, and I'm wondering if this last kitten we found dead yesterday had a genetic heart problem or something else unrelated to FelV. Any ideas? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FelV kittens
I wrote two weeks or so ago about a very sick FelV kitten who was anemic and had lost control of her back legs, and her bladder. We took her to the vet and he felt she was in the last stages of FelV, with little or no hope for recovery. She was 9 months old and only weighed 3 and a half pounds. Sadly she soon went to the rainbow bridge. Then yesterday we found another of her litter mates dead with absolutely no apparent sickness. This kitten was eating, playing and acted fine, but suddenly died. We've so far lost 4 kittens from this litter of FelV pos. kittens, and it's heart breaking. Has anyone else found kittens who look fine, eat well and play and then suddenly die? I don't think this is a symptom of FelV, and I'm wondering if this last kitten we found dead yesterday had a genetic heart problem or something else unrelated to FelV. Any ideas? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
