Re: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV......

[LORRAINE JOHNSTON]

Dear Jason,

It might comfort you to know that some cats who contract FeLV late in life can 
suppress it. This is what appears to have happened to my cousin’s cat. She 
contracted felv from a bite at about age 12. My cousin had had one felv vaccine 
administered about a year prior, but forgot to get her booster. Then came the 
bite, after which she tested positive. But we’ve had her viral load checked 
annually by a company called Scanelis (Colomiers, France), and they report a 
very low circulating viral load consistent with her immune system suppressing 
the virus. This phenomenon has been reported in the scientific literature on 
felv. If you’d like more details, feel free to contact me privately at 
johnston1110 at Comcast.net. 

Cheers,

- Lorraine 

“The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”  
-Theodore Parker

> On 01/02/2022 3:06 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> No problem, Jason. Please let us know how things work out.
> 
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of JASON 
> VOGT
> Sent: January 2, 2022 10:27 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV..
> 
> 
> Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani.  You obviously have 
> a lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens.  He (Kitty) will be 
> 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer.  Thank you also Kat.  I remember 
> taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old.  I am positive 
> the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one year old.  It 
> surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV.  
> 
>  
> 
> I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter 
> as a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at age 
> 11).  I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these diseases 
> and how Mork died from it late in life.  Does an older cat's immune system 
> get much weaker as they age?  
> 
>  
> 
> The 11.50 female  indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine.  I took 
> her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old.  She tested 
> negative for FeLV at one year old also.   
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you very much again, 
> 
>  
> 
> Jason
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Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hi, 

 

Let’s hope he seroconverts to negative, eh?  But just in case, you might want 
to discuss oral dosing of human interferon alfa (*) with your vet(s).  Here’s a 
recent study showing some efficacy against feline leukemia virus:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6783854/

 

An analysis of these findings can be seen here: 
http://fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm

 

The oral dosing must be given withOUT food.

 

(*Human interferon alfa, if injected into a cat, will eventually cause a 
serious allergic reaction.  Oral dosing does not appear to have that risk.)

 

Also, some rescue groups are using RetroMad1, an antiviral developed in 
Malaysia, for FELV cats with some success. You can email me privately for the 
email address of a rescuer who is willing to discuss this therapy with others.

 

The eosinophilia could indicate an allergic response. In some cases it can 
indicate intestinal parasites, though I believe that finding is more common for 
reptiles than mammals.

 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . 


Hello! 


Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued.

Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and 
this one tested positive for felv.  

I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. 
Do you have any suggestions?

 

He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, 
good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already 
much better.

 

Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), 
everything else normal. 

 

We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?

 

Thank you very much!

 

 

Patrícia

Santos/SP/Brazil

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Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT

[LORRAINE JOHNSTON]

Oral dosing is okay with human interferon Alfa 2b. You might want to try 
retromad1, imported from Malaysia. There is a man, John B., on the fivtherapy 
yahoogroup who has a colony of felv and fiv cats, and lots of good advice. You 
might want to join that group (felv is discussed there, even though the group 
name is fivtherapy). Also, I will get in touch with 

John via private email about your kitty. He is in South Africa, so if you’re in 
the US, there might be a time delay.


BTW, I don’t hear too many success stories about tcyte. Not that it causes 
harm, to my knowledge, just that it doesn't seem to help.


- Lorraine 

> On September 19, 2019 at 7:50 AM Wendy  wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered 
> for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy.  It shows Cat on the label.  He takes 
> the interferon orally, and not by injection.  Sorry for all of the responses, 
> I’m trying to figure out this system and worried about our precious cat.  
> Does this help?  Thank you so much, Wendy
> 
> On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy < we...@wendyfrank.net 
> mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net > wrote:
> 
> 
> > > 
> > Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ 
> > years old has gotten very sick suddenly.  He is a house cat, and he was 
> > neutered in May of 2019.  Would you please let us know what we can do to 
> > help our much-loved cat?  A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost 
> > interest in eating.  We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids 
> > yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) 
> > and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow.  We were told 
> > that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he 
> > got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him 
> > another transfusion.  As background, we rescued him as a stray from 
> > Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been 
> > healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive.  
> > Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae.  On 
> > 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood 
> > work was in normal ranges at that time.  In 03/2019, we started giving him 
> > 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon 
> > per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated.  We have continued 
> > the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019.  Just 
> > yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal 
> > range:
> > 
> > AST (SGOT) 106
> > 
> > Glucose 178
> > 
> > CPK 711
> > 
> > WBC 20.5
> > 
> > RBC 2.5
> > 
> > HGB 4.5
> > 
> > HCT 14
> > 
> > NRBC 9
> > 
> > Platelet Count 78
> > 
> > Neutrophils 1640
> > 
> > Lymphocytes 17630
> > 
> > Monocytes 1025
> > 
> > Basophils 205
> > 
> > Protein 2+
> > 
> > Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000
> > 
> > Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat?
> > 
> > Thank you, Wendy
> > 
> > > 


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - REPOSTING WITH FULL BLOOD WORK

[LORRAINE JOHNSTON]

You are using feline interferon omega, yes? Not human interferon? The human 
version can be given orally for stomatitis  but if injected it will eventually 
cause an allergic reaction.


- Lorraine

> On September 19, 2019 at 2:02 AM Wendy  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years 
> old has gotten very sick suddenly.  He is a house cat, and he was neutered in 
> May of 2019.  Would you please let us know what we can do to help our 
> much-loved cat?  A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in 
> eating.  We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and 
> today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, 
> and then a bone marrow test tomorrow.  We were told that the first blood 
> transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at 
> the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion.  As 
> background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he 
> was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining 
> weight, despite being FELV positive.  Since October 2018, we cured him of 
> giardia and bartonella henselae.  On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the 
> ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time.  In 
> 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started 
> giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, 
> repeated.  We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever 
> since 03/2019.  Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work:
> 
>  Tests ResultsRef. Range  
>  Units
> 
>  Total Protein  6.1   5.2- 8.8
>  g/dL
> 
>  Albumin 3.5   2.5- 3.9   
>   g/dl
> 
>  Globulin 2.6   2.3- 5.3  
>g/dL
> 
>  A/G Rat io  1.30.35- 1.5
> 
>  AST (SGOT)  106 (HIGH)   10-100  
>   IU/L
> 
>  ALT (SGPT)   3910- 100   
>  IU/L
> 
>  Alk Phosphatase406- 102  
>IU/L
> 
>  GGT  1  1- 10
>   IU/L
> 
>  Total Bilirubin0.1   0.1- 0.4
>  mg/dL
> 
>  BUN 1514- 36 
> mg/dl
> 
>  Creatinine  0.9   0.6- 2.4   
>   mg/dl
> 
>  BUN/Creatinine Ratio   17 4-33
> 
>  Phosphorus4.4   2.4- 8.2 
> mg/dl
> 
>  Glucose178 (HIGH)
>64 - 170mg/dL
>  
> 
>  Calcium 9.38.2- 10 .8
>m g/dL
> 
>  Magnesium2.0   1.5- 2.5  
>mEq/L
> 
>  Sodium 153  145-158  
>   mEq/L
> 
>  Potassium  4.6   3.4- 5.6
>  mEq/L
> 
>  NAIK Ratio 3332-41
> 
>  Chloride121  104-128 
>mEq/L
> 
>  Cholesterol9475- 220 
>mg/dl
> 
>  Triglyceride108  25-160  
>   mg/dl
> 
>  Amylase   611  100-1200  
> IU/L
> 
>  PrecisionPSL™  10 8- 26  
>  U/L Acute pancrea titis is unlikely. Chronic pancreatitis is 
> not excluded
> 
>  by a norm al PrecisionPSL™.
> 
>  
> 
> CPK711 (HIGH)  56-529 IU/L
> 
>  
> 
> WBC 20.5 (HIGH)3.5- 16.0  
> 10'/µL
> 
>  Corrected for NRBCs
>  
> 
> ABC  2.5 (LOW)5.92-9.93   
> 10°/µ L
> 
> HGB   4.5 (LOW)9.3- 15 .9 
>  

[Felvtalk] Happy Father's Day

[Lorraine Johnston]

In the US, today is Father's Day.  We wish all cat fathers in our group, in
the US and worldwide, a happy Father's Day. Thank you for loving your FeLV
cats and caring so well  for them. 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine and Larry

 

 

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[Felvtalk] FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants

[Lorraine Johnston]

Perhaps there will be additional funding for FeLV research resulting from this 
change.

 

- Lorraine

 

 




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FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants

 





Application period opens June 14, 2019

 

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced an open period for 
applications for grants to support the development and approval or conditional 
approval of new animal drugs intended to treat uncommon diseases (minor uses) 
in major species (horses, dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, turkeys and chickens) or to 
treat minor species (MUMS). The individual award amount has been increased to a 
single funding level up to $250,000.

 

The Minor Use and Minor Species Animal Health Act of 2004 (the MUMS act) 
provides innovative ways to bring products to market for these small 
populations and is designed to help veterinary pharmaceutical companies and 
others overcome the financial roadblocks they face in providing animal drugs 
for a limited market. Before this legislation, veterinary pharmaceutical 
companies and others would rarely attempt to bring such drugs to market. The 
MUMS act established the grant program.

 

Grants awarded through the MUMS program support the FDA’s continuing mission to 
assure that safe and effective animal drugs are available for a wide range of 
species and conditions.

 






 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Lorraine Johnston]

Dear Patricia,

 

I am so sorry about Nori dying. She was a very lucky girl to have had you to 
help her at the end of her life.

 

Sadly,

 

- Lorraine

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after 
work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.

Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).


I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.

When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. 
They reanimated her but it could happen again.

Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away.

As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says 
it is fip.

I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on 
sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, 
with sun bath and love. 

 

I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori.

 

Thank you very much.

 

 

Patrícia 

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[Felvtalk] Nori - neuro symptoms

[LORRAINE JOHNSTON]

Hi, Patricia,


Just a thought to mention to the neurologist: if Nori is having neurologic 
symptoms, perhaps a test for toxoplasmosis would be wise. 


And you might also want to mention to the treating vets that opiates allow some 
drugs that would not otherwise cross the blood/brain barrier to do so. Thus if 
her neurologic symptoms are the result of some infection, giving her an opiate 
such as buprenorphine along with an antibiotic could help the drug reach brain 
tissue it might not otherwise reach.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Lorraine Johnston]

Excellent news about Nori!

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 2:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi!

 

I have experience with subqs.

 

Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was there. 
She is more active and attentive to what happens.

 

Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if she 
had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
malnutrition. 

 

Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 

 

Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has 
nothing more.

 

Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)

 

Thank you!

 

Patrícia 

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[Felvtalk] more re feline interferon omega

[Lorraine Johnston]

I see that feline interferon omega was discussed here a number of years ago.

 

Below is recent information about feline interferon omega, shared by a 
biologist who is a member of another feline discussion group.

 

Feline interferon omega is different from human interferon alfa, which will 
eventually cause a serious reaction if injected into a cat (though I’m told it 
can be used orally to control mouth sores with no risk of a reaction).

 

- Lorraine

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

“The European Veterinary Advisory Board on Cat Diseases recommends to treat 
FELV-infected cats with recurring infections as follows : ‘Treat recurring 
infections aggressively (e.g., longer courses of and/or bacteriocidal 
antibiotics). Consider treatment with feline interferon-omega (106 IU/kg SQ q 
24 h for 5 consecutive days, 3 courses starting on days 0, 14 and 60)’ "

“They note in their Table 3 that injectable Feline Omega Interferon showed 
"efficacy in vivo," on FELV+ cats; that is it showed ‘some effects (most likely 
more on secondary infections,’ in properly designed studies by de Mari et al. 
(2004) and Gil et al. (2013). They note also in their Table 3 that subcutaneous 
or oral Human interferon alpha was ineffective in in vivo studies on FELV+ 
cats.” 

“http://www.abcdcatsvets.org/feline-leukaemia-virus-infection/”

(end quote)

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[Felvtalk] feline interferon omega ?

[Lorraine Johnston]

Is anyone here using feline interferon omega (FIO) for FeLV cats?  

 

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things
no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hi, Patricia,

 

I’ve asked fiv-healthscience members using RetroMad1 for FeLV cats to contact 
me if it’s okay to pass their email addresses along to you. 

 

In the meantime, this is what fiv-healthscience website manager Joel Kehler has 
written about RetroMad1:

 

http://www.fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm#RetroMAD1%20(IV)

 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

Hi, Lorraine

 

Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it, anyway.

 

I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you!

 

Patrícia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Lorraine Johnston]

Patricia,

 

Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal anemia 
and is treated (usually) with doxycycline.

 

http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive

 

Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having very 
good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for their 
FeLV cats.  If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let me know 
and I’ll pass them along.

 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Hi, Amani!

 

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. 

 

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again. 

 

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

 

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

 

i am worried again.

 

Thank you,

 

Patrícia 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

[Lorraine Johnston]

Patricia,

 

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi,

 

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

 

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. 

 

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

 

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

 

Thank you,

 

Patrícia

 

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

 

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

 

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi, Amani!

 

Thanky you very much for you email!

 

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. 

 

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

 

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

 

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

 

This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html 

 

 

 

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

 

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi from Brazil,

 

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.


She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.

She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure. 

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

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[Felvtalk] Price of FeLV viral-load test (Scanelis, France)

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hi, dlgegg,

 

The FeLV viral-load test was USD $98, but friends have quoted a charge of USD 
$109, so I guess it goes up and down a little with the exchange rate for the 
Euro. 

 

My vet paid for the overseas shipping (via USPS) and passed that cost along to 
me, as I expected. The shipping charge was $100, but it’s very likely that my 
vet added a handling charge to that, so your vet might charge less (or more).  
Scanelis is in the south of France, in Colomiers, a suburb of Toulouse.

 

I can send you via private email the form that Scanelis would expect to receive 
along with the blood. 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Question,  is this expensive?  If so will start saving just in case I ever need 
it.

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[Felvtalk] Baby's other bloodwork - also good news :)

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hello again,

 

Here are the results of my cousin Tom's cat Baby's traditional
(non-viral-load) bloodwork.

 

Her anemia is gone!  This is VERY good new!  And all the rest of her
bloodwork is entirely normal. By all measures, it is better than February's
was, done soon after she was bitten. I noticed when she arrived here on 4/5
that she was FAR more active than in February, so I think she's feeling much
better. 

But she tested positive via IDEXX's RealPCR "fever of unknown origin" for
one subtype of mycoplasma - they are ubiquitous (soil, etc) and some
subtypes can cause anemia. Unfortunately that IDEXX test can find the
mycoplasma DNA/RNA, but can't tell if she's just getting it, or did have it
and is recovering.  The options were to treat her, else repeat bloodwork in
1 month to see if it's gone. But because her FeLV status can make her more
vulnerable to not being able to fight off infections, it seemed sensible to
go ahead and treat her. So she's getting doxycycline for 28 days.

Baby is back home now and loving life. (-: 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine 

 

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[Felvtalk] Baby's viral load - good news :)

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hello,

 

Our vet sent a sample of my cousin Tom's FeLV cat Baby (*) to Scanelis in
France to determine her viral load -and the news was good! She is found to
have a very low viral load, 8.77 x 103 per 2.5 microliters of blood
examined. 

 

This is encouraging as, first, it matches her absence of symptoms, and it
implies that she can have a dental now while she's still pretty healthy.  If
Tom can keep her teeth/gums healthy, perhaps stomatitis can be avoided. 


Scanelis also noted that in spite of her low viral load, immunosuppressive
drugs should be avoided. 

 

(*Baby stays with us when Tom goes away.)

 

 

Thanks,

 

- Lorraine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Lorraine Johnston]

You might also want to consider the methimazole gel that can be rubbed onto the 
inside of the tip of the ear. We’ve had great luck with that. It bypasses all 
the GI upset that oral methimazole can cause.

 

- Lorraine

 

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote:

Hello everyoone,


I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard
on her and she went downhill after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc.  
don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is especially bonded with me and has 
been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  she has alerted me to one time of 
gasping for air in the night
and 3 instances of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is 
on my lap, holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose 
her so am hoping meds work.  

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Lorraine Johnston]

As this group is FeLVtalk, I assumed that cats discussed here are FeLV-positive 
unless the writer says otherwise.  

 

Yes, I would indeed hesitate to put a FeLV cat through I-131 therapy. We’ve 
seen many of our rescues go temporarily hypothyroid (ie, underactive thyroid) 
for 2 or more months as the treatment, after it is administered, gradually 
kills the overactive thyroid nodules and the healthy thyroid tissue has to wake 
back up. This happening is known to veterinarians administering I-131 and is 
one reason they recommend waiting to test the thyroid until 60 days after 
treatment.

 

Sometimes, though, the cat’s thyroid becomes oversuppressed because too much 
tissue was destroyed, and the cat needs supplementation with thyroid hormone. 
In two of our cases, permanent supplementation became necessary. 

 

This is meaningful to FeLV (and FIV) cats because when the thyroid gland is 
working too slowly, the immune system can also slow down. This has been seen in 
humans and in dogs, so I suspect cats would be affected as well.  So, for my 
own FIV cat and for my cousin’s FeLV kitty who we baby-sit, I wouldn’t use 
I-131 therapy without thinking hard about it, especially if the cat is doing 
well on methimazole.

 

 

Hope this helps,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

And in your post, you indicated “In spite of our mostly good experiences with 
I-131, I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it”. I hadn’t seen 
a reference to the FeLV status of Dlgegg’s cat, and that is what I was 
referencing. You seemed to be suggesting that you had had good experience with 
the radioactive iodine treatment but would reticent to contemplate the use of 
that treatment on a FeLV cat.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: April 20, 2019 5:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net  <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net-see> – 
see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior 
cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

 

- Lorraine

 

 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

 

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. 

 

Amani

 


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Hello,

We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it. 

But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.

It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

Best regards,

Lorraine

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote: 

Hello everyoone,

I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Lorraine Johnston]

Amani, I’m not sure who you’re addressing with this latest message, or what you 
mean by “don’t remember that being mentioned,” but I was responding to the 
original poster (dlg...@windstream.net   – 
see bottom) who said that her cat is on Felimazole and that one of her prior 
cats did badly after I-131 (radioactive iodine).

 

- Lorraine

 

 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Did I miss something in the original post about FeLV? I don’t remember that 
being mentioned.

 

Anyhow, I would reiterate my suggestion to look into CBD Oil if that is also a 
concern, given the lack of any side-effects reported with its use. CBD Oil 
could be used along with the Felimazole, as it would not likely have any 
interference with the other medication, if there was a concern regarding 
discontinuing one to start the other. However, if you get a good result, you 
would have difficulty knowing which was responsible. 

 

Amani

 


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

 

Hello,

We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it. 

But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.

It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

Best regards,

Lorraine

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote: 

Hello everyoone,

I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hello,

We have taken numerous cats to Radiocat for iodine-131 treatment -- at least 10 
-- in the past 15-20 years. In spite of our mostly good experiences with I-131, 
I would think hard before putting a FeLV cat through it. If the Felimazole is 
working, I would be inclined to continue with it. 

But if you do want to try I-131 therapy, I would first have a FeLV ‘viral load’ 
test run. Scanelis in France offers it. I can pass along the info your vet 
would need to draw the blood Scanelis would need to run the test. They are in 
the south of France, near Toulouse, and do speak English of course, so 
communicating is just fine. The cost was about (USD) $109 plus shipping, about 
$200 altogether.

It’s unfortunate that no US company runs a similar test, not even the older 
cd4:c8 ratio that I found useful. Sigh.

 

Best regards,

Lorraine

 

On April 18, 2019 at 3:12 PM "dlg...@windstream.net"  
wrote: 

Hello everyoone,

I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid 
yesterday.  Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole morning 
and evening.  I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did radioactive iodine.  
the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill after she got home, 
bleeeding from nose, etc.  don't really want to repeat that.  Homey is 
especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my heart surgery.  
she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the night and 3 instances 
of low sugar.  she sleeps plastered to my chest and when she is on my lap, 
holds on to me .  I am very attached to her and do not want to loose her so am 
hoping meds work.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

[Lorraine Johnston]

Thank you, good points.  In my state, the compounding pharmacies were (last 
time I checked-2014) allowed to use drugs the customer brings in, but it does 
require an rx saying what strength to produce, etc. I guess my vet could have 
rx’ed it directly to the pharmacy. 

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

 

Yes that is worth a try if your pharmacist will do that.  NYS requires a script 
for compounding and they don't compound anything we bring into them i.e. cat is 
given pills, cat won't take pills, they can't compound those pills into 
something they will take, they need a script from vet and then will get all 
ingredients and compound to a liquid, trans-dermal, etc.


~~@~@~@~@~@


Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick

 

 

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:22 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON  
wrote:

Back in 2014 I purchased just 5 or so capsules of a human anti-cancer drug for 
Chewy Joey, who had an aggressive lymphoma/leukemia. The compounding pharmacy 
nearby was able to titrate those down into many capsules containing a cat-size 
dose. So that's something I might try. 

 

-Lorraine

On March 1, 2019 at 11:13 AM Pam Doore  wrote: 

You are welcome :-D




 

~~@~@~@~@~@


Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. —  St. Patrick 

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:10 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON < johnston1...@comcast.net> 
wrote: 

Thank you, Pam and Ardy.

 

-Lorraine

On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson < ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 

Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is Diamond Back 
Drugs in Arizona.

 

Ardy Robertson 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

 

I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to get a 
cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me to be 
better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also Vets First 
Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be associated 
with your vet''s practice.  

 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston  
wrote:

Hello,

 

Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the 
antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

[LORRAINE JOHNSTON]

Back in 2014 I purchased just 5 or so capsules of a human anti-cancer drug for 
Chewy Joey, who had an aggressive lymphoma/leukemia. The compounding pharmacy 
nearby was able to titrate those down into many capsules containing a cat-size 
dose. So that's something I might try.


-Lorraine

> On March 1, 2019 at 11:13 AM Pam Doore  wrote:
> 
> You are welcome :-D
> 
> 
>  
> 
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
> 
> Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, 
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. —  St. Patrick
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>     On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:10 AM LORRAINE JOHNSTON < 
> johnston1...@comcast.net mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Thank you, Pam and Ardy.
> > 
> > 
> > -Lorraine
> > 
> > > > > On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson < 
> > ar...@centurytel.net mailto:ar...@centurytel.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is 
> > > Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Ardy Robertson
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > From: Felvtalk  > > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Pam Doore
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir 
> > > and generic Truvada?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in 
> > > your area to get a cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy 
> > > because they tend me to be better able to get meds because of their 
> > > ability to make them. Also Vets First Choice is an online pharmacy that 
> > > compounds. They may need to be associated with your vet''s practice.  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston 
> > > mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian 
> > > > prices for the antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > - Lorraine
> > > > 
> > > >  
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Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

[LORRAINE JOHNSTON]

Thank you, Pam and Ardy.


-Lorraine

> On February 28, 2019 at 11:20 PM Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Another online compounding pharmacy I have used and liked, is Diamond 
> Back Drugs in Arizona.
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy Robertson
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Pam 
> Doore
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 3:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic 
> Truvada?
> 
>  
> 
> I have not but you might talk to a compounding pharmacy in your area to 
> get a cost idea.  I recommended a compounding pharmacy because they tend me 
> to be better able to get meds because of their ability to make them. Also 
> Vets First Choice is an online pharmacy that compounds. They may need to be 
> associated with your vet''s practice.  
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 1:02 PM Lorraine Johnston  mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net > wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the 
> > antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > - Lorraine
> > 
> >  
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[Felvtalk] resending: ?prices for raltegravir and generic Truvada?

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hello,

 

Has anyone found especially good U.S. or Canadian prices for the
antiretrovirals raltegravir and generic Truvada? 

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine 

 

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[Felvtalk] Thank you

[Lorraine Johnston]

Thank you so much to everyone who has replied regarding handling Baby. The
viewpoints are so useful to me and will be to my cousin as well.

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

[Lorraine Johnston]

Thank you, Christine.  So far Baby has been only in the studio, completely 
isolated, when she visits us. It never occurred to me to do otherwise, not only 
because of felv but to avoid other contagious illnesses as well.

 

It typically takes us months to merge new cats into our setting. We go very 
slowly to avoid stress-related illnesses and spraying. So merging Baby in with 
ours for just a stay of a week or two would not be worth the tumult in the 
whole household.

 

It’s a luxury to be able to keep her separate and I’m grateful that I can. If I 
used the studio (which I don’t do when she’s here) I’d have to move her to 
another room because the equipment in the studio is dangerous for cats.

 

And I agree with your approach to the kitten. Sometimes circumstances are such 
that they are better off together. If I had two who were very attached to each 
other, and one turned up positive, I would not separate them.

 

I have a similar dilemma with our FIV kitty Cyril. He has a buddy, Micky, who 
is totally in love with Cyril. But Cyril had several birth defects (*) in 
addition to FIV, and has only one eye left. Micky plays very roughly, and I’m 
afraid Cyril will lose that eye to an injury. So I only allow them together 
when I can supervise them, and not because of the FIV. I make sure Micky gets 
plenty of other exercise first. I expect Micky will outgrow the roughness; he’s 
only 3.5 years old.

 

* A constellation of 7 birth defects can occur together in cats, including eye 
defects, multiple cardio problems, undescended testes, kinked tail, and some 
limb abnormalities.  Cyril got the eyes and the testes. But golly, he sure is 
cute!

 

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Christine Dundas
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 3:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

My advice would be to keep FeLv and non-FeLv cats separated.  If you choose not 
to, you have to understand there is a chance the non-FeLv cats could get 
infected.  

 

Having said that, when my husband brought home a kitten that tested positive 
for FeLV, I had to make that choice.  We live in a small condo with two other 
cats.  We decided to keep her as long as she could be with us.  I had my two 
other cats vaccinated for FeLV.  They were adult cats, healthy in every way.   
There was no way I could keep everything and everyone separated.  Our little 
Ruthie passed away after almost two years.  My two adult cats tested negative 
afterwards, a few times.  And are still healthy and happy.  That was about four 
years ago.  

 

Christine

 

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 2:46 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:

I had my Zander for seven years, mixed with a dozen other cats. I never took 
any precautions at all. It was too late by the time we figured out he had FeLV. 
No other cat ever got the infection.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Lorraine Johnston
Sent: February-22-19 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

Thank you. I guess I should have phrased my question to indicate that I was 
concerned about spreading FeLV to my non-FeLV cats. If I understand correctly, 
your cats are, or were, all FeLV-positive, so there would not have been any 
non-FeLV cats to spread it to? 

 

I told my cousin back in December that I would also keep Baby in April when he 
goes way again. So now I’m trying to determine if that’s safe to do, and what 
additional precautions (if any) I should take while she’s here to avoid spread, 
now that we know she’s FeLV-positive.

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: FeLVtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net

I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.  I 
treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading to 
others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house became part 
of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for a checkup, spay 
or neuter and they became mine.

 

- Original Message -

Hello again,

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?

Thank you,

- Lorraine

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one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hello, Maribel,

 

Thank you for this very specific information. It’s quite helpful, and just what 
I needed to know.

 

Baby, when she stays here, is in my studio, which has a heavy sliding-glass 
door between Felix and Cuddles who are both vaccinated against FeLV. The other 
four cats are much farther away, with no doors in common with Baby. Of those 
four, three are also vaccinated against FeLV, except for Cyril, who is 
FIV-positive.  

 

We might vaccinate Cyril with the Merck killed vaccine this March if his blood 
antibody titers indicate that’s he doesn’t need any of the core vaccinations 
boosted, and if his other health parameters indicate that he could mount an 
immune response to the vaccine. 

 

I won’t vaccinate Cyril with the more common recombinant canarypox 
live/attenuated FeLV vaccines because he had a horrible reaction to the 
live/attenuated Chlamydia component in the FVRCPC vaccine. Never again! Going 
forward we will check antibody titers first, and skip specific vaccinations if 
their  titers are adequate.

 

We have three cat-fenced pens (PurrFect Fence). Baby has controlled access to 
one, but so far is only lukewarm re going outside. If I let her out, I plan to 
leave an hour or so afterward before letting Cyril into the same pen -- or 
better yet, while she’s staying here, he can use one of the other two. Baby is 
only here with us 1x or 2x per year.

 

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Maribel Piloto
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 2:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

Keep the Leuk+ guys in a separate room with their own litter box and their own 
scooper.  Do not mix food or water and put any towels, beds, toys they use 
through the washing machine before using it for other cats.   Washing hands all 
the time is not something that I normally do EXCEPT be careful about not 
getting any of their fluids on you (blood, urine, saliva, poop, eye/nose 
discharge) and then potentially getting that on your non-Leuk guys.

 

Also - if you're keeping your Leuk guys in a separate room, make sure to block 
the bottom of the door so the cats can't put their paws through or smell one 
another and possibly sneeze on each other.   You can get a piece of wood the 
length of the door and about 2 ft high and prop it up there with something 
heavy like one of those big litter pales or better yet - install some screws or 
other hardware on the wood around the door so you can just slide the wood in or 
out as you need to.  Whatever you use make sure the cats can't move it because 
cats are very curious and they will try to move it or get through in order to 
see what's going on on the other side.

 

If you regularly are going to have Leuk guys in your home either by pet sitting 
or rescuing them, I would get your non-Leuk guys vaccinated just as extra 
protection.   

 

Maribel

 

- Original Message -----
From: Lorraine Johnston 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:10:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

 

Hello again,

 

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

[Lorraine Johnston]

Thank you. I guess I should have phrased my question to indicate that I was 
concerned about spreading FeLV to my non-FeLV cats. If I understand correctly, 
your cats are, or were, all FeLV-positive, so there would not have been any 
non-FeLV cats to spread it to? 

 

I told my cousin back in December that I would also keep Baby in April when he 
goes way again. So now I’m trying to determine if that’s safe to do, and what 
additional precautions (if any) I should take while she’s here to avoid spread, 
now that we know she’s FeLV-positive.

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: FeLVtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net



I have only had FELV  cats but never washed my hands after handling them.  I 
treated all the same and have had no experience of the disease spreading to 
others.  I have had up to 10 at a time as all who came to my house became part 
of my "pride".  As they came to me, I took them to the vet for a checkup, spay 
or neuter and they became mine.

 

- Original Message -

Hello again,

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your 
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you 
have your negative cats retested every year?

Thank you,

- Lorraine

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one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

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[Felvtalk] Cleaning? Retesting?

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hello again,

 

For those of you who have both FELV+ and - cats, how strenuous are your
cleaning efforts? For instance, do you wash hands after just petting? Do you
have your negative cats retested every year?

 

Thank you,

 

- Lorraine

 

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no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

[Lorraine Johnston]

le 
to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I wanted him 
with us for longer than 7 years but given that the vets were telling us there 
was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must just be grateful 
that we had him for so much longer than that.

Amani  

On February 21, 2019 at 9:40 PM Amani Oakley  wrote: 

Hi Lorraine

 

What I have suggested to many in this group, for treatment of FeLV, is the 
following combination of medications:

 

Winstrol (Stanazolol) – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.

 

Lorraine, you will very likely encounter great resistance or skepticism 
regarding the use of the Winstrol. It is an anabolic steroid, associated with 
some doping scandals in professional athletics, so it has a bad rap in the 
sports world. I haven’t yet figures out why this should matter in the animal 
world, especially since NOTHING else works to turn back on the red cell 
production in FeLV, but I am just warning you that you may get an unexpected 
reaction from the vet. If not, terrific – carry on. If you do, many people in 
this online group have managed to procure it themselves.

I also suggest blood work up front, so you can gauge how well the Winstrol is 
working to address the anemia. The other thing to resist, however, is that 
Winstrol may well bump up liver enzymes – sometimes dramatically. Vets will get 
alarmed at this and will often tell you to discontinue the Winstrol, but I 
would resist this. The liver enzymes almost always go back to normal once the 
Winstrol is discontinued, with no lasting harm to the liver, and there is 
really nothing else to use for this disease.

How long you need to stay on this regimen will depend on the lab results. Once 
the anemia is resolved (haematocrit, haemoglobin and reticulocytes back to 
normal) you may need to continue with the Winstrol for a more time. My 
experience was that every time I wanted to wean my cat off the Winstrol, his 
haematocrit would immediately drop. I kept him on the Winstrol until I didn’t 
see a drop in haematocrit when I began to wean him off. My cat’s results were 
horrible, before starting the Winstrol. (His haematocrit was FIVE, with ZERO 
percent reticulocytes, and I had given him several blood transfusions, which 
obviously were only a temporary fix.)

I hope this helps.

Amani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: February 21, 2019 7:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

 

Hello,

I’m a new member. While caring for my cousin’s cat Baby here in my home during 
his 2-week vacation in Mexico, we had bloodwork done ahead of the dental 
cleaning that my husband and I agreed to have done for her.  She turned up 
positive for FeLeuk on ELISA, IFA, and PCR--the triple whammy. She’s already 
slightly anemic.

Baby was first vaccinated against FeLV in Jan. 2018 before her first-ever stay 
with us.  But the booster due at week 3-4 was missed. This was followed by a 
bite puncture in Dec. 2018. So I suspect that first vaccine was worn off by the 
time of the bite.

Baby is 11 and in otherwise good health, so I hope there’s a good chance she’ll 
still live her “normal span” --and perhaps even die of something unrelated. But 
the anemia is not a  good sign, I’m told.

I am putting together information for my cousin to try to take the edge off of 
the terrible shock this will give him. I’m of course including cautions about 
keeping her indoors, etc., and following up on any symptoms, etc. I hope to put 
off telling him until just before he flies back to the US.

I suspect my cousin would prefer treatments that are oral as opposed to IV. But 
his wife is trained as a nurse, so perhaps they would be willing to try 
difficult-to-administer treatments. I’m not sure how much room their budget has 
for expensive, imported treatments like feline interferon omega.

On general principles: in our home, Baby has been kept entirely separate from 
our own six cats, who are vaccinated against FeLV except for one little guy who 
has FIV whom we avoid over-vaccinating. We have always hand-washed after 
handling Baby or her dishes, even prior to this diagnostic info.

I think I’ve drawn the complete picture, but please ask if I’ve left out 
something important.

FWIW, I have a degree 

Re: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

[Lorraine Johnston]

 died from a heart condition which I wondered 
at the time if it was related, and it might have been, but it probably was that 
the virus had done a fair amount of damage to certain organs before I was able 
to get it under control. We loved Zander to a crazy extent, and I wanted him 
with us for longer than 7 years but given that the vets were telling us there 
was no hope when he was only six months old, I guess I must just be grateful 
that we had him for so much longer than that.

Amani  

On February 21, 2019 at 9:40 PM Amani Oakley  wrote: 

Hi Lorraine

 

What I have suggested to many in this group, for treatment of FeLV, is the 
following combination of medications:

 

Winstrol (Stanazolol) – 1 mg twice a day

Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day

Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day

If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving 
stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the 
effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
apometocloprimide.

If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase 
in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also 
increase the liver enzymes faster.

 

Lorraine, you will very likely encounter great resistance or skepticism 
regarding the use of the Winstrol. It is an anabolic steroid, associated with 
some doping scandals in professional athletics, so it has a bad rap in the 
sports world. I haven’t yet figures out why this should matter in the animal 
world, especially since NOTHING else works to turn back on the red cell 
production in FeLV, but I am just warning you that you may get an unexpected 
reaction from the vet. If not, terrific – carry on. If you do, many people in 
this online group have managed to procure it themselves.

I also suggest blood work up front, so you can gauge how well the Winstrol is 
working to address the anemia. The other thing to resist, however, is that 
Winstrol may well bump up liver enzymes – sometimes dramatically. Vets will get 
alarmed at this and will often tell you to discontinue the Winstrol, but I 
would resist this. The liver enzymes almost always go back to normal once the 
Winstrol is discontinued, with no lasting harm to the liver, and there is 
really nothing else to use for this disease.

How long you need to stay on this regimen will depend on the lab results. Once 
the anemia is resolved (haematocrit, haemoglobin and reticulocytes back to 
normal) you may need to continue with the Winstrol for a more time. My 
experience was that every time I wanted to wean my cat off the Winstrol, his 
haematocrit would immediately drop. I kept him on the Winstrol until I didn’t 
see a drop in haematocrit when I began to wean him off. My cat’s results were 
horrible, before starting the Winstrol. (His haematocrit was FIVE, with ZERO 
percent reticulocytes, and I had given him several blood transfusions, which 
obviously were only a temporary fix.)

I hope this helps.

Amani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Lorraine 
Johnston
Sent: February 21, 2019 7:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby's intro

 

Hello,

I’m a new member. While caring for my cousin’s cat Baby here in my home during 
his 2-week vacation in Mexico, we had bloodwork done ahead of the dental 
cleaning that my husband and I agreed to have done for her.  She turned up 
positive for FeLeuk on ELISA, IFA, and PCR--the triple whammy. She’s already 
slightly anemic.

Baby was first vaccinated against FeLV in Jan. 2018 before her first-ever stay 
with us.  But the booster due at week 3-4 was missed. This was followed by a 
bite puncture in Dec. 2018. So I suspect that first vaccine was worn off by the 
time of the bite.

Baby is 11 and in otherwise good health, so I hope there’s a good chance she’ll 
still live her “normal span” --and perhaps even die of something unrelated. But 
the anemia is not a  good sign, I’m told.

I am putting together information for my cousin to try to take the edge off of 
the terrible shock this will give him. I’m of course including cautions about 
keeping her indoors, etc., and following up on any symptoms, etc. I hope to put 
off telling him until just before he flies back to the US.

I suspect my cousin would prefer treatments that are oral as opposed to IV. But 
his wife is trained as a nurse, so perhaps they would be willing to try 
difficult-to-administer treatments. I’m not sure how much room their budget has 
for expensive, imported treatments like feline interferon omega.

On general principles: in our home, Baby has been kept entirely separate from 
our own six cats, who are vaccinated against FeLV except for one little guy who 
has FIV whom we avoid over-vaccinating. We have always h

[Felvtalk] Baby's intro

[Lorraine Johnston]

Hello,

I'm a new member. While caring for my cousin's cat Baby here in my home
during his 2-week vacation in Mexico, we had bloodwork done ahead of the
dental cleaning that my husband and I agreed to have done for her.  She
turned up positive for FeLeuk on ELISA, IFA, and PCR--the triple whammy.
She's already slightly anemic.

Baby was first vaccinated against FeLV in Jan. 2018 before her first-ever
stay with us.  But the booster due at week 3-4 was missed. This was followed
by a bite puncture in Dec. 2018. So I suspect that first vaccine was worn
off by the time of the bite.

Baby is 11 and in otherwise good health, so I hope there's a good chance
she'll still live her "normal span" --and perhaps even die of something
unrelated. But the anemia is not a  good sign, I'm told.

I am putting together information for my cousin to try to take the edge off
of the terrible shock this will give him. I'm of course including cautions
about keeping her indoors, etc., and following up on any symptoms, etc. I
hope to put off telling him until just before he flies back to the US.

I suspect my cousin would prefer treatments that are oral as opposed to IV.
But his wife is trained as a nurse, so perhaps they would be willing to try
difficult-to-administer treatments. I'm not sure how much room their budget
has for expensive, imported treatments like feline interferon omega. 

On general principles: in our home, Baby has been kept entirely separate
from our own six cats, who are vaccinated against FeLV except for one little
guy who has FIV whom we avoid over-vaccinating. We have always hand-washed
after handling Baby or her dishes, even prior to this diagnostic info.

I think I've drawn the complete picture, but please ask if I've left out
something important.

FWIW, I have a degree in biology and am a medical writer, so I don't scare
easy, and I understand big words...mostly. (-:

 

- Lorraine

 

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